A War Is Coming In WWE & Does WWE's New 5.75-Star Record Deserve the Hype? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #852 – 6/11/26

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It's still really a big damage to me!

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What up, you!

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Welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's This and This and This No Relish show.

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Episode 852 for June 11, 2026.

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Welcome to this week's edition of S.R.T.U.

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I am one after the show.

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I am Jeff Packley.

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Join every single week of my course,

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lonely Dr. Tret Franklin.

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Dr. Tret, I am riding the wave of the New York mix right now, my friend.

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Uh, so you are on cursed!

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I am. That's a very good Danhausen.

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Thank you. I've gotten really good at a couple of these impressions.

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But yeah, like, I mean, I don't know how you feel about my visbic man,

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but I think my Danhausen's not too bad.

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That's pretty spot on Danhausen.

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Yeah, but I will say like, as a person who used to be a giant NBA fan and now,

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I would say, could care less.

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It just doesn't really get my attention like it used to.

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Um, yeah, I mean, this is the NBA and I have had a rocky relationship.

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In the last 25 to 30 years, a lot of that has to do with the next

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not being a good team for nearly 27 years, certainly, but I obviously, you know,

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this is in a basketball podcast, put the back NBA.

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Maybe you feel this way.

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I mean, I was talking about talking to this with people the same age as me with this renewed

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interest, at least in the state of New York, for the NBA as of late, with the next success.

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Is I am enjoying the NBA.

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I watch the NBA.

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I watch the next.

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I support the next.

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But I still yearn for 90s basketball.

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That to me was like the greatest era of basketball.

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And it's sometimes I feel the same way when it comes to professional wrestling to tie it back

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into the wrestling podcast world here, Dr. Trey.

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But I don't know if you feel any differently, but to me, it's like, I still yearn for that 90s style of basketball.

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When it comes to the NBA, like, I'm a little bit older.

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I grew up on Magic Johnson, Larry Burr.

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So like the late 80s into the 90s, you know, the nicks and bowls, nicks and pacers, those rivalries,

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the bowls and the pistons, those were great rivalries.

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And it was physical basketball.

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Like, you know, guys like us were like, we're never going to be the NBA.

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We get our ass kicked.

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You know, so, um, yeah, like, and then I lived in North Carolina for a long time.

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So like when the Hornets were an expansion team and we had Larry Johnson,

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the Lonzo Morning, Kendall Gill, Rex Chapman, Mugsie Bugs.

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Mugsie Bugs, like those were some great, that was a great era of basketball.

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I, the Kobe era, I've always been a big Kobe fan.

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So like, that was great.

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Just, you know, as a Laker guy, I never got into LeBron being on the Lakers.

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I never got into Shaq being on the Lakers.

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But yeah, right now I watch it.

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I'm like, guys are flopping left and right.

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Everybody's shooting threes from half court.

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I'm like, now like drive the lane and get, you know,

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get punched in the face by Rick Mahort.

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That's what I miss.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I miss the physicality of it.

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And the same thing with wrestling and the tie back in like 90s wrestling,

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even 80s wrestling felt to me more physical.

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It felt more like an actual fight.

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I was just watching a video the day of like a match with,

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I was like four women fighting in Mexico and they did the top of rope,

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moonsault to the floor spot.

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But it took them like 15 seconds to do the spot.

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And I was like, what other world would like,

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would like four people stand around for 15 seconds and wait for somebody to jump on them,

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that they are clearly staring at.

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Like stuff like that still bothers me.

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Yeah, it feels like to me always 90s wrestling was revolutionary,

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it transcended the times.

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The like back in the day when you would see a TLC match or tag team ladder match,

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you were like amazed by it.

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Like it was special viewing, hell in a cell.

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And then things just got watered down over the years.

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And the spots became very, very similar.

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I guess the older I get some of the spots that they do,

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I'm just like, this is stupid.

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Like what are we doing here?

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Nonetheless, you've got two old guys, one yearning for 80s,

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early 90s basketball, the other yearning for 90s basketball.

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And encapsulated right now myself with all that is going on in the New York Knicks.

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Every time the next win or lose, I'm sure you see it on the news where you are,

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Dr. Trey, it becomes a war zone here.

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And to tie it all back, one Solosikoa mentioning on Smackdown this past Friday,

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that a war is coming to WWE.

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In regards to the bloodline, the bloodline, 2.0, the bloodline, rebirth, whatever you want to call

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this storyline of Roman Reigns' World-of-Wheel Champion, the Usos realigning with him.

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Adam Jacob-Fa too on there to acknowledge Roman Reigns' OTC.

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There is some intertwining here with the MFTs as we saw with the Closet Clash in Italy.

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Not a lot of crazy follow-up in the Insuming Weeks, just very subtle foreshadowing stuff,

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which I kind of dig rather than going full bore into it.

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Solosikoa talking backstage with Royce Keys, mentioning that it's time for him to align with the

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MFTs because a war is coming with the bloodline. And I felt like that segment, Dr. Trey, was not a

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throwaway line. I continue to feel like we are watching a volcano ready to erupt in professional

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wrestling and have a potentially major or obviously top storyline in professional wrestling come

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out of this with the bloodline and whoever else it takes down. I mean we saw Roman Reigns go backstage

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and be eye-to-eye with Cody Rhodes. They don't do those things for no reason. You're here in LA

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night, call out the bloodline. You hear the MFTs talking about stuff. It's carrying over on the

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Smackdown. People are discussing it, but no action, no crazy action yet from the bloodline.

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Where do you think this line falls into everything? Is it a throwaway line? Is it just a line that will

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forget about in three months time and lead us to nowhere? Or are you like me where you think this

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is leading to something more? No, I think and you and I have talked about it several times,

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or the last couple years, just your voice to go, or is that there really isn't throwaway line

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in WWE anymore? I guess like a nine month hiccup last year where maybe the storyline's weren't as

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intricately written as they had been. This trip was came up, but you see people in the background

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of a promo segment that's using Easter egg for something else. You hear a line here and there

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and it's like oh, is that a foreshadowing? And they usually do a really good job of following up.

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To me, when you have two Samoan factions, one's a heel group and one's a quasi baby face group,

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at some point they're going to have to do battle. You know, we see that in AEW like you have all

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these heel factions and okay, we got to make somebody a baby face out of this. Hey, let's

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have the Deathriar's R-Fu with Shane Taylor promotions, because when you have factions,

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you have to capitalize on the investment of talent. So to me at some point, this is,

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and I think I referenced this a few weeks ago, it's kind of reminiscent of NW O'Hollywood and NW O Wolfpack.

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Like they're technically kind of, they're in, they're all in the same family. They're just on opposite

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sides of the tree, which means either they're going to have a civil war or you're going to get a

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giant Samoan army. So and I think there's a possibility that you get both out of this.

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See that's what I was going to ask you is like, where do you think this is all leading? I,

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I think that we get a giant army. I think that this eventually plays out with Solo and the MFTs,

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realigning with the bloodlines, maybe into similar vein as to the way Jacob Fattu has

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joined the bloodline rebirth 2.0. That's my vibe. And I think that to me makes the most sense,

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because we've gone down the avenue of a civil war of the bloodline versus the OG bloodline versus

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the new bloodline. Like we've done that, been there, done that. I don't want to see that rehashed again.

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And I do think that there's something to the conversation we had last week where is WWE just

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basically going back to the well with the bloodline because they know people are into it like myself.

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And you know, recapture the hearts and minds of people creatively for the storyline aspect.

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Something that's been missing really the last movie two years, which around the same time, the bloodline

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wasn't around. There's just something that is appealing to that storyline. It's a great storyline.

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I think it's in the vein of where you could discuss it similar to a McMahon versus Stone Cold

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Steve Austin storyline. I think it's Star Wars, it's the Avengers. We've often compared it to

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that here on this podcast. And I think it's a storyline that you could always go back to as long as

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you're doing things different. And that's the most important part, Dr. Trey, is the different part.

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I think the layers that we've seen as Roman was kind of humbled the last couple of years,

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not being a world champion and trying to regain trust in he was on his own. The Usos, the other layer

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here was Big Jim was doing his own thing. Jusos was doing his own thing. Granted, Jusos was a lot

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more popular and successful for it, even though Big Jim is a great fantastic wrestler. Jacob Fattu

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was in the new bloodline. It leaves the new bloodline running on his own. He starts challenges in the

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OTC and he falls in line after tribal combat, similar to the way Jusos did following Helen Assell

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back in 2020. If they did this new bloodline versus the MFTs, it's basically a rehash of war games

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from like what two years ago and don't want to go there. But if it's, I'm fine with it if it's a stepping

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stone that leads to a gigantic faction where solo relines, Talatanga, Talatanga are all part of it

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and that makes things a little bit more different and special and we've got this super group

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of the Samoans on the bloodline. That to me is the added part that's really good, is that there's

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layers to this that are different and new from what we've seen. Maybe separation from the original

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storyline is what we needed to go back to because it's worth it and I don't think that this is a

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viewership or attendance play by WWE because I don't really think that they maybe look at those

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numbers as much as they used to anymore. But yeah, I don't know how it plays out right now, Dr. Trey.

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I would assume it leads to some sort of match again between both factions, something. But I don't

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think that these are throwaway lines. I think there's a lot of room for them to do something very

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creative and fun here and I'm excited to see where things go these like next four to six months I would

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hope. Yeah, I just had this really crazy thought where they do island combat. It's like from the video game.

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Well, I'm just thinking like, yeah, but basically they go out, they find an island and then you have to

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have this Samoan battle on the island, kind of like stadium stampede. And they, W, where's like,

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you know, all these guys just fighting it out and like some kind of like Lord of the Flies meets tribal

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combat style match, but that's not really WWE style. But I mean, I do think it's leading to something.

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But the question is, is like, if this was the game plan, then why do you release JC Mateo? Why do you release

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Tonga Loa? Like you kind of need the numbers to back up this because right now it's four against three.

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You know, now Jacobs kind of playing like we saw it last week on Raw where like Jimmy and Jay are

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telling him to get Seth and he just walks away. There's still a little bit of ascension there. But like,

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where does this, you know, when it all plays out, like do you get a heel Roman Reigns again leading this

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giant faction or do the MFTs go babyface and they end up feeling with like a much larger version of

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the vision. Like it is kind of like when you get a supergroup together, it's kind of like the old

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NWA when you had the horsemen. And then you had the dudes with attitude or some you had to have some

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kind of opposite faction to fight it out. I mean, you mentioned Star Wars, you mentioned the Avengers.

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Yeah, you can have the Jedi's, but you need the Empire. You know, you can have the Avengers, but you

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need Thanos and his army. You got to make sure that when you're coming up your storyline, the scales

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are kind of even because that's how you get the viewership. That was, if you remember like two years ago,

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we used to joke about how AEW everybody's in a faction, but they were almost all heel factions.

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And they've adjusted that to where now it's okay, all the babyfaces are in a faction or they're at

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least friendly. And then the heels have their collection and that's how you can get these big

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tribal warfare is going on. WWE, outside of when they had the DOA, Loose for Week was, and the nation,

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they've never really done gang warfare very well.

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No, they haven't. They've definitely struggled with that. I think maybe DX and the nation

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and domination was pretty interesting at one time. But that was like, that was the, that was kind of

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the fallout from the nation. I mean, that was still in that same window area. You know, it was

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definitely the fallout of that. Yeah. But when you had the corporation versus what was at the,

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what was the one with Big Show and the babyface, the union, that was like a month long thing. Yeah.

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It is mankind, Big Show, Ken Shamrock and Tess with Vince all holding two by fours.

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Two by fours. And how they never involved Hacksaw, Jim Duggan. He should have been at least

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selling them the two by fours. You know, a little cameos for something. But they've, every time we get

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a big stable though over the last 15 years in WWE, it's always been like a loose affiliation of

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baby faces against them or just one baby face taking on the entire group. So I mean, I guess

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WCW versus WWE a little bit with the invasion and what Austin was in part of the WCW Alliance.

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Maybe that was okay, but for the most part, they've just never had success with

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faction against faction warfare and maybe having triple H involved in this storyline writing,

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if this is the direction they go, will help make it work because he does seem to like factions.

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So maybe that'll help when they write this whole thing out. I think the reason with a lot of

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the faction stuff, at least for my viewpoint as a fan watching at home, is that it just never fits

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what you hope it to be. I mean, you can make that case for the OG versus the new bloodline from a year

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and a half, two years ago. I was very, very excited for that to play out and I thought it felt rushed

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as we got closer to war games. Like it could have been playing out of all the reunions that needed to

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take place. I think like maybe Sammy joined it up, like maybe like a week or two before the actual

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match. It was some odd. Then they had it at CM Punk and then it went away because Roman went away

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for a little bit heading into, you know, Manian rumble season. So I think that plays a part of it.

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I mean, there's things in the AW side of things where the death writers run like baby faces for a

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little bit, then they're back to heels and then run like baby faces for a little bit, then they run

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like heels. They don't like shantaylor promotions. They don't like the Don Callis family.

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Even though they're all heels, all of the factions. It's very difficult. I have always felt like

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to run the faction versus faction stuff. The closest one I will say, Dr. Trey, that I felt like

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was pretty nice and perfect and wasn't like this crazy creative storyline was the shield versus

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the Wyatt family. I felt like it was a very short window. Those two teams feuded. Fans wanted to see

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it. The reactions they got from the crowd were insane and popular. Then great matches and it came

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and went and it was gone and they moved on. Of course, we would have liked to see a little bit more,

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but sometimes maybe the short shelf life is what you need to see. So, Solo says, "A war is coming

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on Smackdown. I don't think that's a throwaway line. Dr. Trey does think that's a throwaway line.

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We shall see where things go because we could be on the verge of a major storyline

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starting to swarm here in WWE." Part of that major storyline, Dr. Trey may affect at least the

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King of the Ring tournament. As we look at the King and Queen of the Ring updates, we have the

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semi-finals of Oba family versus Dominic Mysterio taking place soon. Jaffan Evans advances to

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the semi after defeating Seth wrong, Talatonga and Ricky St. on Raw. He will face the winner of J.U.

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so LA Night Royce keys and Finn Balor that takes place on Friday Smackdown to give us the final

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four for the semi-finals. You and I spent a long time last week discussing that we felt like maybe

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Seth wrongs was being in line to win the King of the Ring, Oba would be sent off on the side,

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set up Seth versus Roman at Summer's Lame. Well, Seth's out, Oba still in, Jaffan Evans is now in,

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Dominic Mysterio. We have no idea who the fourth person would be. Where do you think this thing

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is going? Who is the favorite to win the King of the Ring and what is your predictions for that

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Summer's Lame title match? Because I felt like this entire time, at least for me, I'm lining it up

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that the winner is going to be taking on Roman, Roman, Roman. I feel like now maybe Cody's in play

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if they don't go the Oba route. What are your thoughts so far on King of the Ring?

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That's a good question because I didn't even think about the Cody route in a sense. So,

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I'll tell you this much, I really want Dom to win. I don't know why. I think it's because if you call

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him King Dom, that sounds kind of funny. It's the King Dom. I don't know where we go with this,

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because even on paper, let's say you got Oba and Dom, Oba wins, you got Jaffan Evans and

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anyone of the other four guys. I don't see Jaffan winning and getting to the finals so they're looking

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at Oba and then one of the four. And what if you get a Dominic Finn Balor final? That would be almost

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awful in a sense. I feel like it's getting set up as Oba still. Unless Brock comes out and costs

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Oba the match, you cannot have Oba lose to any one of those people left this tournament.

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The way you have booked it. So, I just don't see any way out other than putting Oba in the spot and

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I just don't see Oba challenging Cody. I think Oba would challenge Roman. So,

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let's, like I said, let's Brock cost Oba the match. I just don't see anybody else

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winning this thing because Oba's in it. And the biggest threats to him,

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Ron Breaker, Seth Rollins, have been eliminated from the tournament. So, I just don't see where else

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you go with that. I always feel like these tournaments and will cover Owen Hart Cup as well.

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It should be used as a springboard for somebody. Young talent, established talent,

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who's number one title, the talent that wants to get back up to the top of the charts, whatever,

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like it does not need to be made men or women like we've seen with WWE naming Cody Rhodes,

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the King of the Ring a couple years ago, and Mercedes-Bonaise winning the Owen Hart Cup over in

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the AW side last year. So, to that point, Dr. Trey, Oba Femi is a rising star and it's one of those

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shooting stars that you see this time of year. Long time fans like you and I, King of the Ring is a great

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tournament to to catapult him and I'm in agreement with you. But the one thing that I think my wrestling

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fan mine is being blocked on all this is the fact that I don't, I do think to our first topic,

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there's a major storyline playing out of the bloodline. I don't know if you do Oba vs Roman

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Reigns in my mind. I'm like, well then this is, you know, it's parallel to the Brock Lesnar run

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in 2002 where Brock, you know, is tearing up at that time he was an unknown while we've seen

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Open NXT. He's tearing up the main roster and then, when's the King of the Ring tournament,

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takes on an established star like the Rock, Wins, becomes WWE Champion and we're off to the races

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in a new era. I'm beginning to think because I was like looking at it and I look at the next match

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on SmackDown where we don't have the results yet. You've got J.U. So LA Night Royce Keys fanballer.

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I could see a world where Royce Keys wins. I could see a world where Oba Femi loses to Dom

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because of Brock Lesnar, Dom advances. Royce Keys defeats Chavon Evans and we've got Royce Keys versus

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Cody Rhodes at Summerslam. I could also now see a scenario where we move forward with what I've always

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been thinking Oba Femi wins the King of the Ring tournament, takes on Roman Reigns at Summerslam.

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And now if we think that there's going to be this super bloodline group that reforms takes place,

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Summerslam could be the Catapult where the new bloodline, larger bloodline, MFTs join in the bloodline,

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bands together and prevents Oba Femi from winning the WWE World of the Way Championship at Summerslam

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over Roman Reigns. Those to me I think are like the two scenarios. I think that Oba is obviously a guy

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that can win. I don't think we get Dom Cody Rhodes at Summerslam. I know there's a lot of people

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that are in the Dom camp for him to Catapult. I don't think that's happening. I don't think Chavon Evans is

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winning. I don't think J.U. So's winning though there could be a world where J.U. So does win and he

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takes on Cody Rhodes at Summerslam because that's been a little bit of a storyline and I would not

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be a huge fan of that. LA Knight, he would have his eyes set on Roman Reigns for Summerslam. I don't think

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that's happening though. I think there's a case for him. I don't think there's a case for Finn Bauer

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to win unfortunately. Royce Keys is like one of the next guys that I could see winning basically is

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the guy that could take on Cody Rhodes. So I think those are the scenarios. I think Royce Keys,

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Cody Rhodes could be a scenario. Dom, Cody could be a scenario. I'll throw it out there. But maybe

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Oba and Roman at Summerslam leads to the big bloodline returning doctor, right? Yeah.

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You know, it was a couple, it was this past week or last week when the MFTs were beating up

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Damien Braze, our truth ran in, got cornered and then Royce Keys came out and they backed him off.

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Like, I almost felt like based on Damien Prius comments about like, look, I don't know if he's a

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maybe he's a friend or what, I don't trust the guy. Then it kind of made me go, yeah, I could see a

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Keys heel turn, but then like you can't have Royce Keys beat Cody because of Solo's help,

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because by default you would almost have to make Keys the leader of the new MFTs. So I can see them

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doing that and putting Royce Keys in this spot because he just had that match with Gunther,

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and he looks really, really strong at it. And you want to kind of capitalize on that momentum of

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a Sotispe. It is weird though with just who's not who's out of this tournament where you go,

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man, I just don't see anybody being Oba's the only one right now on paper when you look at maybe

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Jay Hussot. Oba and Jay are probably the only two people that can go, hey, these guys are legitimately

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on Roman and Cody's level. You could factor in LA Knight to a degree, but he's never won the big one.

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But just the way that everybody's been presented in LA Knight, typically they always have

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in fall short in big matches. So it's like, well, you only really have Oba and Jay, and if this is

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going to be a Summerslam main event level match, it's going to be for the world championship or the

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WWE Championship. You kind of want a guy that can kind of at least present themselves to be on the

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level of Roman and Cody. And right now that's really only Jay and Oba. Yeah, it's limited. It's certainly

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as limited with Seth going and not advancing. And I love Javan Evans. I think he's great. I think

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he's a future top star. I would have had him advance on Monday night. I don't think I would have

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pushed the vision storyline in that match, Dr. Trey. And maybe I would have saved that for the semi-finals.

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Yeah, I can see that. I mean, you also got to figure out what's going to, you know, the vision's

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down to two people. And the fact that you're still trying to portray this storyline out

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without anybody else joining the group right now is a little hard to take them serious. It's like

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it's just brought in Austin right now. So it's kind of like it's hard to keep advancing this narrative

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of, you know, Seth or anybody else kind of being the underdog against the vision. When right now,

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Seth's got the street profits in his corner. They kind of outnumber the vision. So until you get

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somebody to kind of join up with them, it doesn't make sense to kind of beat this up right now,

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like they're still doing. So the injury bug once again striking a good storyline is just one of those

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things in wrestling that always kind of hits you just out right at the wrong time. And that's kind of

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where we're at with the whole Seth envisioned thing right now. Yeah, it makes me think that eliminating

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Seth now means that day someone who's had issues with the vision in the past like an LA night,

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maybe advances on Smackdown on Friday. Because it would make sense that the LA night advances and they help

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him win over Seth Rollins or intersecting even Jay Uso in there. So maybe that's why Seth was

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removed. Looking at the queen of the ring size doctor, doctor side doctor, you've got Eosky versus

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for Cal Rodriguez in the semi's, live Morgan advances to the semi's after defeating Becky Lynch,

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Alexa Bliss and Chelsea Green on Raw. She will face the winner of Soul Rook, a live rival,

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Kerry, Charlotte Flare and Jade Carcill on Smackdown in the semi's. Who's your favorite right now to

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win the queen of the ring and the predictions for that match? I still feel like this is Eosky's to lose.

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See, there's part of me that really wants it to get to live in Raquel because I think they're

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also teasing Roxanne stepping away from the group and maybe going back to being a baby face, but I

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still think Raquel would be maybe just a different version, like maybe more the blue collar version of

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Rhea Ripley for those folks, you know, especially with all the love Triple A's getting in their

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advancement of the Hispanic community in WWE, you know, Penta, the others of the Triple A.

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It's like Eos and Rhea is compelling. Jade and Rhea three is compelling because at some point,

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you have to like Jade's got to get her revenge on Rhea otherwise. If Rhea beats Jade three times

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in a row, you're kind of killing off the Jade Misti at that point. So I might go back to

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citing with Jade in this tournament though, just so we get Jade, Rhea three at Summer Slammer,

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Jade can finally get to win. What do you think about the Charlotte Flair stuff? Because she's

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cutting promos in the ring saying that, you know, she has a guy set on Rhea Ripley. They've kind of

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held her off at bay for like the last year plus for her getting back in the world title picture.

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Is there a world that we live in where Charlotte Flair is the one that wins here? And that would

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fall in the category of like regaining right or reestablishing as a top star. Yes. I mean, it's kind of

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like when Charlotte came back and won the rumble. You just work, although she's in a, I guess she's in a

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different view of the fans now with this tag team with Alexa and her friendship with Rhea,

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then maybe she was back in, was it 2023? When she won the rumble? 25. 25. Last year. Yeah, and everybody hated,

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yeah, and everybody hated it. So it's, but we still got to get to Charlotte Rhea three on a big scale.

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Also, I just think that Charlotte turns on Alexa before she gets to Rhea. But then if that's the path

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they go, but I also can see them doing Charlotte and Jade and Rhea getting sidetracked by the JCJ

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group, you know, or whatever to kind of reestablish Jake is you still got, you know, even the

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undercarstead with Tiffany and Chelsea and the Nye and Lash and all those folks, you've got a really

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solid women's division from top to bottom. So maybe you get to the second dream match of Jade and

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Charlotte at Summer's Lamboit or not some not Summer's Lamboit. You get to that next dream match of

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Jade and Charlotte if Jade wins the tournament and Charlotte becomes the person to challenge her first.

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Interesting stuff with the King and Queen of the Ring tournaments right now. It's kind of like a real

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downtime in professional wrestling for the weekend where it's like 18 different PLE's taking place

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at the end of the month. But these tournaments that are taking place in WWE right now and AW are

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really intriguing and exciting. And I don't think there's any real clear cut winners, which makes

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it a good thing and unpredictable unless you look at maybe one of the finals of the AW Owen Hart Cup

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on the men's side and maybe even the women's side, which we shall discuss right now, Dr. Trey,

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as it is official. The men's final at Forbidden Door, the winner gets an AW World title match at All-In.

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It will be Will Ospreay taking on Swerve, Strickland. This just feels like to me that this is time

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for Ospreay to get his London, All-In, World title match, the Death Rider storyline,

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reestablishing him as this ultimate weapon. It just feels like all things, it's inevitable and

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all things are pointing towards Will Ospreay. Ospreay, Swerve, who should headline an AW All-In?

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Is there a world where Swerve upsets or shocks us, I should say, because him winning is not an upset

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by any means. He shocks us by winning the match. Ospreay goes in different directions. Swerve takes

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on MJF, presumably at All-In, in London, and we get the rebirth of Swerve here. What are your thoughts

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of the direction of the finals of the men's side of the Owen Hart Cup? I mean, right now on paper,

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it's Ospreay to MJF in London. I mean, that's just, but, you know, because the one thing by AW I love is

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that you start getting these matches, but then they'll jump in another match or two before the

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advertised main match at the Bay Riverview. You know, we got this match coming up at Forbidden Door,

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the 6 on 6, Cage match with Team Briscoe versus Team MJF, and at Briscoe wins, he gets a title shot.

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And it's like, what if Briscoe wins, and then Briscoe wins the World title? Do you then

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headline all in with Swerve versus Mark Briscoe? It seems a little odd that that's even a sub-story,

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you know, pretzels. But yeah, if I'm booking AW, that's my Hogan and Piper, his Ospreay and MJF,

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and they win, but he's stating it all in, in London, that's absolutely the direction you go, because

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you know it's going to be a sellout because everybody's going to want to come see the hometown boy,

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win the title, but then that would be the best part of being the Swerve where Moxley costs

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Ospreay the match and MJF retains. That could be something there, or even the match with Swerve,

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that he has, could lead to something, and then we get Swerve and MJF. These two guys are very great.

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So, yeah, I just don't see Swerve and MJF with both guys kind of being heels.

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I think AEW started to realize, like, yeah, when we do the big matches, we kind of got to do more

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babyface heel than two baby faces or two heels, because we've seen that reaction at their big shows

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when they do the babyface, two baby faces, the crowd split and they're just not into it. You want

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that reaction of Will Ospreay making his entrance in Wimbley Stadium heading into the main event

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against MJF, like you want that. Like, if you have Swerve and MJF, the crowd's probably going to, like,

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start emotionally checking out before the main event. Whatever Ospreay is doing is going to be the

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focal point for that crowd in Wimbley. So, you want to hang him to the main event, and you put him in

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there with an MJF, who everybody despises. I'm everybody you can't see it, but it's the ultimate

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good guy in that area against the ultimate villain. Now, whatever you decide if you want to do the

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dusty finish or Swerve the audience at the end, that's completely up to the booking team, but

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that entrance of Will Ospreay in Wimbley going into the main event, like, that is the visual that you

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want to have on all your social media showing how hyped the crowd is. Hey, this establishes us,

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we're not a, we're not number two, we're a 1B. Like that for those casual fans, that would really

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kind of cement it like, oh crap, look at this crowd, look at this reaction for this guy. I

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guys are checking the show out more because that would be everywhere on social media with that,

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if you set it up that way. Yeah, no, I love to play devil's advocate here, no pun intended with MJF,

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being involved in the conversation and see is there a world where Swerve does win and we get Swerve

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MJF or maybe they do like Swerve, Mark Brisco, even, since Brisco's involved in the World title

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picture, at least with MJF right now, it would be a really bad business if Will Ospreay is not in

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that World title match based on everything that's taking place with the neck injury, the rebirth,

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the re-strategizing, re-characterization of him with the deathwriters, that would be not a good move

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for AW and an all momentum feels like very similar to Swerve several years ago when he was coming up.

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All feels like that this is pointing the direction of Will Ospreay to win the Owen Hart Cup.

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And then in similar vein on the women side, Dr. Trey, we've got the semi-finals with Huzuki

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taking on Mercedes-Bonae, Athena taking on Maya World. To me, Dr. Trey, this just feels like the

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women's tournament is being set up from Mercedes-Bonae to win again. And I think that's a little bit of a drag.

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As I said before, I'm a believer in like using this as a catapult or re-establishing stars that are

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on the come-up ends. I don't think Mercedes-Bonae, hey, is needs a catapult. I don't think she's a re-emerging

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star that needs to come up ends. So, I don't know, it just doesn't feel like the women's tournament is

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as exciting as the men's tournament and the men's and women's tournaments on the WWE side have been.

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So, who did you say Mercedes is wrestling in the semi-finals?

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Uh, Huzuki. Who's from Stardom?

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I'm sorry. Bless you.

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By the Huzuki.

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Yeah.

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I have seen, to me, this sets up for like an Athena Mercedes-Bonae finals and then you're like

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but Theclis, your women's champion, Theclis the heel, Athena and Mercedes typically are heels.

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Why would you set it up that way? Like that, what I saw is I'm like that doesn't make a lot of sense to

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me because once again, like Theclis not and she's not from London. So it's not like she has a hometown

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advantage, neither is Mercedes or Athena. So, I don't understand the booking now unless you're

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gonna make Mercedes go back to Morpher babyface Sasha Banks character. But once again,

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you've had a Athena be your ring of honor women world champion for almost three years now.

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Like at some point don't you gotta kind of move her up the food chain? Like I just don't get the set-up

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when you're like this is, just go by what I'm saying. Two people that the crowd typically booze in a

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match. What does the crowd do? Just boo louder? I don't really know what the upside is when you

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set up a scenario like this. So, if we're trying to get to Mercedes and Theclis great,

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but I just don't understand why and that's the biggest issue I have with that side of the turn.

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Yeah, no, it's um, I don't know the Surrey injury may have something to play with this because

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she's out with injury Surrey who was in WWE for a period of time. I'm the NXT brand with a horrible

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gimmick at one point. My world had to fill in for her which just tells me that Sky Blue wasn't supposed

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to advance anyway and Surrey was because that wouldn't make sense because you would have,

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you wouldn't have Mercedes-Benz and Athena in the finals as you said, heel versus heel.

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I don't know. Monay versus Tecla at all in. Again, heel versus heel. I don't know if I've any

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interest in that. They've been playing for around for a very long time of of catapulting Athena

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because she's been the R.O.H. Women's Champion for like 1100 days now. I mean, I would have pulled

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that trigger years ago. I think a year or two ago, the all in Texas one. I would have last year.

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I would have done that and they didn't. So, that is that's a little bit cloudy right now and

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where things go from here. It just feels like with the vignettes and everything that's been going

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on that this has been used to reintroduce and welcome back one Mercedes-Benz. He was not acting

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like a baby face and is acting like a heel all over again. So, intriguing stuff in storylines with

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both the King Queen and Owen Hart Cup tournaments in WWE and AEW right now which is really helping

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progress things in the world professional wrestling over the last month or at least in the last

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week I should say unless you're looking at some random stupid CM Punk rumor that he's leaving WWE

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that was proven to be not be true whatsoever. Last thing here Dr. Trey, another banner for

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El Grande Americano versus OG El Grande Americano as they are now the highest rated match ever

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under the WWE umbrella for wrestling observer by Dave Meltzer. He graded them a 5.75s for passing

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the 5.5 from Johnny Gargano versus Adam Cole at NXC Takeover New York. Actually a match that

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you and I watched here on one of the very few episodes of SRTU watch that we have put out many many years

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ago during the pandemic. The 5 matches under the WWE umbrella to ever surpass 5 stars from Meltzer

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which is a very hard thing to do because it's Dave Meltzer. Adam Cole, Johnny Gargano as I just

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mentioned Adam Cole versus Johnny Gargano NXC Takeover 25 was 5.25 Walter versus Tyler Bait in

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NXC UK Takeover card if was 5.25 Walter versus Ely Dragon off at NXC Takeover 36 was 5.25 El Grande

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Americano OG El Grande Americano with Triple A No. J. DeLos Grande is the 5.75 marking the highest

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under the WWE banner. Dr. Trey, is this all warranted because I watched the match you watched the

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match or is the hype a little bit too much looking back at this match now? I so by the way as you're

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reading those off I know is that none of those are actually on the main roster. I thought it's all

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either NXC, NXC Europe or Triple A so Meltzer does love his foreign or subculture matches so speak.

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I still I love this match I went back every watch and I'm like to me this is what professional

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wrestling was when I grew up. Now maybe a couple too many high spots you know but it's storytelling

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there's violence there's friendships there's a love angle it's two guys looking physical like they

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beat the hell out of each other in that match. I absolutely love this match so I don't have Meltzer

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hyping it up that much because I right now like as we as we we're probably what one show two or

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just a couple shows out from our halfway point it's my early favorite from match of the year like

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to me it really was that good I really really thoroughly enjoyed it. You know matches are different

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strokes for different folks right like I think when I look at the history of this podcast matches

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that stick out to me Bailey versus Sasha Banks NXC takeover Brooklyn there was a Pete Don Tyler

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bait match and an NXC takeover that was amazing Adam Colin Jatigargano and NXC takeover New York was

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amazing. Kofi Kingston versus Daniel Bryan was phenomenal and this is all just on the WWE side of

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things since we're just talking to the least we're passing five stars. CM Punk versus John Cena on

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a Monday night Raw and like 2012 I want to say was amazing. I loved this match I loved El Grande

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Americana versus OG I think the biggest thing that left me not fully appreciating and this is entirely

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my fault Dr. Trey is I didn't understand the build up because I don't watch AAA on a consistent

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basis it's not part of my regular viewing it's I don't watch it at all. So it's it's it's um

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it's disappointing for me because I think if I was able to see that added layer I could appreciate

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the storyline a little bit more rather than just jumping into the match so I think it's a leading

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candidate for a match of the year on this podcast on the WWE side of things without a doubt

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but I just think for me I don't put it in the same vein as some of the other matches um that I just

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discussed there in the history of this podcast. Yeah no and I guess like for me when I'm growing up

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like you grew up in an era where there weren't nearly as many masked wrestlers as there was when I

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was growing up like when I was a kid I mean five six years old like every show that I watched had

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you know the mass superstar or uh what was the one guy uh I mean just the dusty roads as the

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midnight rider like there's all these guys that were in mass and it became a big thing when that

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guy got on mass even going into WCW in the Cruiserway division and they made a big thing about

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who be getting on mass or Rey Mysterio getting on mass and how that was an important part of the

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luchaleebrae Mexican culture so it was a little bit funny to me on the sense of you like you have an

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American pretending to be a Mexican you have a German pretending to be an American pretending to be

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a Mexican and they're fighting over who loses their mask but like I said the other layers involved

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also helped me along there when you had you know the bravo and reo come out and then there's

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loads of medicanos her or her monos and they're out there and then you got the girlfriend of El

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Grande Americano and like you have all these different aspects of what soap opera television is as well

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plus two guys fighting over honor that to me is really what made me love professional wrestling even

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as a kid and watching that and seeing all those elements in there I was like now this is actually

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really really good even if you didn't know night I tell you at your point like if you didn't know the

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entire backstory it can limit your view and you're just watching it on the sheer wrestling side of it

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yeah it's the wrestling inside of it it's on par with gargano and adam col it's on par with gargano

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champa some of these are matches that you mentioned that we love so much the wrestling is on par with

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that but there was that backstory involved that kind of did amp it up from you a little more that

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reminded me of that nostalgia from when I first saw love with the professional wrestling

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yeah it's amazing stuff that match I hope it really leads to some great things for

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Ludwig Kaiser Chad Gable we saw it on this past week's editions of Smackdown and Raw where Chad

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Gable was a decent focal point regaining the trust of the fellow lucha doors and world wrestling

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entertainment on the Elgrande Americana stuff nothing that played out on the main roster which I

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think is a little bit disappointing so what I'd like to see in that carryover and either on Raw

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or Smackdown but yeah here we are it's it's a match that will be talked about for some time and

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it falls under the WWE banner despite it being triple A Elgrande Americana versus OG Elgrande

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Americana still getting a lot of praise and love from wrestling pundits all in the world of

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professional wrestling uh Dr. Trey with that said let's get a couple plugs and sponsors out of the

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