AEW All In Preview & Predictions | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #706 – 8/24/23

0:00 It's stupid. Welcome everybody, Welcome to this week's edition is a real good show. Episodember seven hundred and six for August twenty four, two thousand, run three. This your a w all in preview and Predictions edition of ass All Team You. I am one after show. I am Jeff Peck joined every single week on my coast, the one only Dctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey, Are you all in? My friend? Like? What what am I? All in? And I'm not in. I'm not in a rush, I'm not in a hurry, I'm not in any kind of jelly or jam and I'm and I'm not in England, So I guess I'm kind of in kind of in. That could be the next the follow up to all in or all out, just so you do all in all out and then another week later you do kind of in. How about that? Well, I think I think you do all in all out. Then you do shake it all about and then the follow up that is aw hokey poke Okay, yeah, just four back to back to back pay per views like that?

1:23 Actually a hokey pokey sounds like maybe an impact pay per view. Okay, yeah, they do a little bit more like hardcore wrestling for hokey pokey, I mean, but then again, w to do Great Balls of Fire so you might see WW hokey pokey. All right, we have to reset the clock now it has been now the record was twenty eight days since we last reference Great Balls of Fire. Now we're back down to zero. So for a throwaway podcast, and like July or excuse pay per view in July twenty eighteen, we do reference that show quite often. Do you remember what the main event was for that show? Was it Joe and Brock, Joe and Braun? I believe Braun. Okay, yeah, let me make sure I got that right. I know it involved large men flapping meat at Great Balls of Fire? Was that how he teased it? Braun? I don't know, but I just took the big E reference and ran with it right there because it made a lot of sense and the pun was intentional. July twenty seventeen. And I believe you're right. It was Brock and Samoa. Joe was the headline. I was Ron and Braun. It was Braun versus Roman in an ambulance match that Braun Stroman actually defeated Roman in and then I think we came back and they did Joe Braun and Brock. They did some kind of three way or four way of those guys too, either right before that paper view, were right after that paper view. Next paper view was battle Ground. Let's see here. Battle Ground was headlined by Gender Mahal defeating Randy Orton in a Punjabi prison match. That was the next show. July two

2:57 was a SmackDown branded show. Yeah, okay, that's right, brace Split yeah yeah yeah yeah. So then wait, so then I'm looking at next show would have been Summer Slammer Slam. You may be right on that one. Yep, brocka go ahead. That curs w. We had a match where it's like three large men fighting each other, which was like a basic man you know dream Brock versus Braun versus Roman versus Samoa Joe at Summer Slam twenty seventeen. All right, I was in the ballpark. I forgot Romans considered a big man compared to Joe, Braun and Brock. Good memory, Good memory there, Doctor Trey so Brock and Samoa Joe was one of headlined that Great Balls of Fire paper viewer reset. I think Great Balls of fire referenced clock here on SRTU have a Little Fun Too to kick off the show.

3:46 But unfortunately, a couple of hours ago, we did receive news that w WE Hall of Famer Terry Funk had passed away. I mean, one of the most influential wrestlers I feel like of all time, doctor Trey. I mean, he was a regular professional wrestler that dabbled into brawling, that dabbled into hardcore wrestling, revitalized his career at several points. Really is one of the reasons why ECW got so big in the late nineties was the inclusion of Terry Funk. Truly, truly, truly a one of a kind talent.

4:31 I mean, very sad news tonight do Tray Too to kick off the show here, as we learned that Terry Funk had passed away. Sadly, Yeah, I heard about it on my drive in from Tennessee today to get back home, and it wasn't surprising. The last pictures we saw Terry, he wasn't in great shape. And you know, like I'm for being a wrestling fan for forty years, I didn't get into Terry Funk, and really the appreciation of Terry Funk until much later in his career. Like my first memory of Terry Funk is the back to back matches he had with Rick Flair at WCW when they brought him in as a basically a play by play guy, and then he attacked Flair after the Steamboat trilogy. Pile drove up to the table and I was like, ooh, I hate that guy. And then my dad is the one who taught, you know, told me more about Terry Funk. We saw him in Roadhouse and then ECW launch and I learned more about him. And then you know, you're just like, oh my god, Like this guy's influenced with me people, and you know, kind of a technical wrestler and then a brawler. And then you know, we saw this stuff in ECW and this stuff, you know, started catching the videos of stuff with him and Captain's Jack and Japan, and then you're like wow, and then you know the attitude are he reinventing himself again and putting on panty hose and then all the way through now like the man is legitimately that there will never be another guy like Terry Funk. I mean, the man, the man was Middle Asian crazy, for fifty years, So I mean, I mean, I don't know about you. The closest thing

6:01 we have to a Terry Funk right now is maybe a John Moxley. But you know, his influence throughout wrestling, whether it was the Texas guys or you know, the Fucking Nojo or the hardcore wrestlers, their deathmatch wrestlers, or the gimmick wrestlers. Like, his influence spans so many styles of wrestling that it's really really incredible to see how much I don't say paved the way for guys, but like really just opened doors and open up eyes to different styles of wrestling. So just one of the most well rounded wrestlers in the history of our business. So from a personal standpoint, I had the absolute pleasure and honor to interview Terry Funk about thirteen years ago. When I heard the news, I immediately thought of that interview and everything that led up to it. So at that period of time, I was on this podcast called The Wheelhouse with Mike Bower and Chris Cause and we've made available this podcast as well, which I'll get to. And we had a fantastic relationship with Ring of Honor Wrestling with Kerry Silkin when he owned the company. I was going to like every New York City show in two thousand and nine, twenty ten, and then into two thousand and eleven before they sold to Sinclair Broadcast Group.

7:23 So for every one of their shows in New York, they would always be so kind to give us some sort of wrestler to interview, and I would interview Claude Doocasticnolie, at one point interviewed Roderick Strong. Had this opportunity time and time again, and then we were pitched the opportunity to interview Terry Funk, who for Glory by Honor I believe it was nine in two thousand ten, he was acting as the special enforcer outside the ring for the Tyler Black rogeris Wrong match for the ROH World Championship. Tyler Black now known as Seth Rons. It was his last match of ring Vroon and Wrestling before going to WW and Terry Funk was involved. So we had the opportunity to interview Terry Funk to promote the show and leading into it, like Roh gave me his home phone number and him and I played phone tag and it was on my old phone. I wish I still had it, but Terry Funk like leaves me this voicemail and it was like him asking his wife, like, you know, do I leave a message. It was like listening to this elderly man who wasn't up on technology but was also a wrestling legend, like leave this very funny, like grandpa esque voicemail on my phone. And it was so cool. And then we led into interviewing him days later. That

8:54 day later, and it was one of the first real big interviews we ever had on our podcast, and it was Terry Funk, and I think we talked to him for like thirty to forty five minutes. And to make a long story short, we we we actually interviewed him on August twenty fourth, twenty ten, nearly thirteen years the day where he passes away ago, which is insane that it was a raid around this time as well, and the day that this podcast drops is on August twenty four, twenty twenty three, thirteen years later. That we've made this podcast available. Right now, it's up on realgutrader dot com. By the time that this podcast drops, it should be up on our subscription feeds, up on iTunes and everywhere else, and I encourage everybody to listen to it. Obviously it's a bit dated.

9:43 You'll hear us be talking about stuff that was going on woe at the time, but it was so cool to talk to Terry Funk about his career. It's it's a broadcasting highlight doc tray, and it was like the first real instance that I got to interview somebody that like I knew and it wasn't some sort of blogger or anything like that that we were doing at the time. It was Terry freaking Funk, who was a deb WE Hall of Famer, a wrestling legend, and it was such an honor to speak with him, and I had that honor and I'll remember it forever and I'm looking forward to listening back to that podcast. I immediately went back and I found an article that quoted our show, so that I went back into my old archives, got the podcast center over to Bauer. Bauer put it up on the website and has made it available for download, So it's gonna be a lot of fun to go back and listen to that. And again, I just it was an honor, it was an honored privilege to talk to him and I'm very sad and about the news today. But the career in the life of Terry Funk was was one of a one in a million doctor Trey. He was a one in a million person. Yeah, I mean it's amazing me because you know, we talked about, you know, we spent a lot of time over the past few years talking about the bloodline, the usos, you know, other family or blood you know relations, and a lot of those guys are very very similar in their styles. And then you look at Terry Funk and Dory Funk Junior as professional wrestlers in the early days, they were very similar. But you know, the path that Terry went down was

11:18 so different from his older brother, I mean just two almost completely polar opposite personalities and everything else. And you know, by all accounts, like I've had an outpouring of people from you know, the independent scene here in Tennessee talking about like appearances Terry made and you know what a great guy was. Actually one of my one of my friends that was in wrestling before I got in in Arkansas was telling the story about how he had worked a show and then had to drive straight from the show to the airport to pick Terry Funk up and he was still basically in his wrestling gear and you know, throwing a pair of shorts and a T shirt over, like one of his own, like you know, T shirts from his merchable. It gets to the airport, he's all stressed out because it's Terry freaking Funk. He gets there for realizes Funk's plane got in five minutes earlier than schedules, so he's stressing that Terry Funk's been waiting on this young independent wrestler. And he walks, you know, he walks in, looks around, he sees Terry Funk, and he goes he didn't have to call out to him, like Terry just looked at him. That's a wrestler. He just walks right up to him, introduced himself. They got in the car, and then a two hour drive from the Little Rock Airport or a Little Rock Airport to Batesville, Arkansas.

12:31 He's like the highlight was literally him just talking to Terry Funk the entire time. And he was supposed to be in a tag match with him and Terry against Brian Christopher and Rakishi and Rikishi no showed or not no, but just couldn't make it, and they moved Terry Funk to be in the special guest referee. He's like, that's just one of those memories I will never ever forget, just because of how gracious and how willing he was to do whatever the promo her ass And that's one of those little life lessons as a young wrestler. He took away from it was, Hey, you're never too big for this sport. And I think he's always he always retained that it was appreciative to everybody came in contact, whether they were you know, top of the car main event and one of the major promotions, or you know, a green guy in his second year of wrestling. He's just you know, like we've talked about years ago with Tracy's mothers, he's just one of those guys that just seems universally loved and revered across the board about you know, with everybody who came in contact with him. Yeah, that's such a cool story. He was such a nice guy and just my very small interactions with him, and he didn't need to be I mean, he's he's a living legend. And it was like, listened back to the podcast that we made available. It's like talking to an old friend that's talking about his career.

13:48 Talking to him on the phone when we were setting up the interview was he could not have been more nice, you know, and it was just it was just a really cool experience and it's one that I'll never forget. I mean, it was legit, like the It was the first big name I ever interviewed in my entire broadcasting career. And I'm so happy I found the podcast to make available and pay tribute to Terry Funk, who sadly passed away today. It's a it's a sad day, but we remember an honor the life and career of one Terry Funk, because I mean, things would not be where they were today if it wasn't for Terry Funk, his battles with Rick Flair, the way that he helped carry ec W forward, just being always a wrestler's wrestler. He's one of a kind and we'll be missed and we send our condolences to all the family, friends, and of course fans of Terry Funk and his passing today. Rest in peace, Terry Funk.

14:56 There's no easy way to transition out of paying tribute to a legend other than talking about a legend whose potential WWW career ended. This past Friday on SmackDown, Edge in a match with Shaymiss to celebrate twenty five years in the WWW in his hometown of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. His contract is expiring soon. We don't know if he's gonna stick with w he says he doesn't know. We don't know if he's going to completely retire, if he's going to go somewhere else, to a or like an AW. Well, we might have gotten some lightshd on the story today as PW Torch is reporting the following and this comes straight from their article stating Edge wrestled his last match on his current w WE contract on Friday. His contract expires, according to Edge on the Fan Morning Show at the end of September. It's not known if he has any non compete period afterward, but there's a lot of buzz that he is a W bound. PW Torch has learned that Adam Copeland aka Edge, presented to w W what would take to retain his services, but WWW declined to meet his requests. This is sparked to believe within WW that he's probably headed at AW and new at the time what AW could offer him, based perhaps on conversations with other wrestlers of a star power about AWPA. Tony Khn is a big fan of Edge, it certainly would value adding him to the roster, either as a wrestler or in some other role. Also, Christian Cage is a longtime friend of Copeland and is prominently featured on AW television, so linking it together in some way on TV would be natural. Edge

16:27 received the big celebration of his w here on Friday SmackDown because he's well liked within WWE management doesn't resent the possibility to go to a w and that's what PW Torch had reported today Wednesday, August twenty three, as we record on Wednesday night while AW Dynamite is airing. So lots of speculation here Doctor Trey that Adam Copeland Edge could be AW bound prior to him returning in twenty twenty. I believe in late two and nineteen he was approached by Tony conn and AW. He never just come out fully and said that, but he basically alludes to. I believe there was like a W twenty four on Edges return, and that's what led to him going to he was made an offer and he went to w w WE and said, well, you know, I owe it to them. Let me see if if they'll match it and bring me back as a professional wrestler. W WE didn't match it, brought him back, and then obviously the rest is history because he's been with the companies since two thy twenty, returning out to the Royal Rumble in January twenty and twenty, and here he is now potentially on his way out of WWE, possibly had an AW Doctor Trey, how do you how do you take all in all this news here? Do you think we last we watched Edges last match in w WE? Uh, I'm gonna say yes. And that's that's what he cut with the cava that the wrestlers are wrestlers, and and you know, guys like Edge and Christian and you other guys have been rather as

18:00 a long time ago how to use leverage when an issue. But you know, when you when you look at the AW schedule and you look at basically guaranteed pay and you look at you know, not only is one of his best friends there, but he also has history with Don Callis as well. You know it does make a lot of sense for him to you know, make a move and go over there. And you know, if he presented an offer WB and they declined to meet those demands, I think they kind of know that that, you know, the possibilities there. So uh, right now, I'm gonna say, yeah, that was probably his last match in WWE, because if he does go to a w I just don't think by the time that contract would be up that he would. I just don't see Adam Copeland being that, you know, I don't I don't see him being staying and wrestling at sixty. So you know, for a guy in his early fifties, that this might be a chance for him to go out there help some younger guys and you know, potentially get another edge Christian argue boy matchup, edge Christian young buck matchup, things like that. I that seems like really fun, you know, matches for you know, Adam Coplan to get involved with and really wind his career down doing some fun stuff like that with guys he's probably never wouldn't have the chance to work with. If he stays in WWE. Where would you prefer to see Himenda Square? Would you prefer to see Himenda Square in ww or in AW. I mean I prefer see WWE because I just don't know what the name Adam you know, you know, coming from Toronto, Kata Adam Copeland has the same ring to

19:33 it as Edge, you know. But I mean obviously most of these guys, like the lifers, like Edge has basically been a lifer, like he really after he first on the senor ww he's never been anywhere else, And so those guys when they go to other promotions, it just feels odd. Like I still can't wrap my head around Bret Hart wc W. Like it doesn't you go back and watch those old videos. It doesn't look right. Can you wrap your head around staying to would be? Wait? No, Like it just doesn't look right, you know, it's weird, like and it may be the way that I'm but use the phrase it's the light I've always seen them in, but it is the production lighting and like how they look like it just looks off, you know. So yeah, I mean I almost forget this thing. I mean we've talked about the show, but I almost forget this thing was in WWB because it was kind of like that year long cup of coffee. So to speak, it's kind of the same thing with you know, like I said Brett Hart WCW, it took me a long time to get you seeing Hulk Hogan in WCW when he jumps over there, or Rick Flair when he first came to w W E. You know, like Macho Man in w W two was weird. It kind of took them to actually change their entire look. Like when Hogan went to Hollywood Macho Man star doing the black and white stuff. I'm like, all right, that seems like a different character. I can kind of see that separately from the red and yellows. But then even when Hogan came to w E as nWo Hollywood, I'm like, that doesn't look right. It's just it always seems kind of living off for a while. So you know, it's

21:04 like, you know, seeing your favorite baseball player or NFL player. It's like Jet, You're gonna go through this year, Aaron Rodgers as a jet, Yeah, you know, Brett Farve as a jet. You know, me seeing Joe Montana as a chief or Jerry Rice as a raider like it, or Trey Lance is the third string quarterback. No that I'm okay with, But it's just you see these things. You're like that it just doesn't make sense. And it's Smith as a cardinal, Like you're just like, it's almost it's almost don't want to say it's sad, but it is kind of like a little bit of a disappointment at time when you Bronco he got a Super Bowl though, so like he did Tom Brady as a Buck. Yeah, but you know, it's just it's just things you see. You're like, that's odd, especially when you first see now when you got to Brady year three as a Buck, you're like, all right, yeah, I'm kind of used to it now. But wrestling is a different a different animal a lot of ways. Like you see you guys, like I mean, seeing Moxley in AW the first time, you're like, whoa, that's kind of odd. Now that he's been there for three years, say with Chris Jericho, the first time you see, you're like, that's kind of weird looking, and then now you're like, all right, it makes sense.

22:10 Cody, when he came back to WWE with the AW gimmick, it's like, it's cool, but it takes a little while for your brain to process it and make it normal. I guess yeah. It's it's We're so used to it in wrestling, but I just feel like there are times where, especially towards the later end of the career, it's funny you bring up Jericho, like Jericho in AW it's it's been forty years now and he's a main staying AW a former AW World Champion. But there is a huge part of me, as a Chris Jericho fan that wants to see one last match in WWW, like that's where I believe his career should end. And I don't think that will ever happen now. I don't forever foresee Chris Jericho leaving AW and going to w W because the allure of joining a company that is a little bit more lax than the grind of WWE is what's a very which is very appealing to wrestlers, and that, to me, is is why potentially Edge is making that jump. And I think edgees is making that jump because there's more or potentially making that jump because there's more opportunities for him that he would like to accomplish to close out his career. I mean, you're you're talking about tagging with Christian again. I didn't I don't think Christian is going to come to Towe anytime, seeing the Hardys are both in AW.

23:30 If they want to have a Edging Christian Hardy's match, that's going to have to happen in AW now, Edging Christian versus FTR, Edging Christian versus the Young Bucks, Edge Wrestling in New Japan, Edge Wrestling, MJF Adam Cole, whoever see him punk again, will Losspray, whoever Kenny Omega like? There just seems to be more opportunities in AW for a professional wrestler than there is in WWE. Like w E is the global corporate conglomerate that it has WrestleMania, SummerSlam, the stadium shows. But if you're a wrestler who's accomplished all that and your itches to wrestle some of your friends and accomplish some dream scenarios like look at the path that Brian Danielson took by leaving WWE, AW is more appealing. So it's a tough pill to swallow because to me, again, Edge should finish his career in w WA. There should not be a period of time where Edge had left w to go wrestle in AW.

24:30 In my opinion, as a fan, it just seems perfect that he is with the WE family and that's where he finished his career. Some people are w WE guys, some people are AW guys, And I just feel like at this part important his career, I don't I don't want to see him go to a W Obviously we'll get used to it, but it's a it's a tough pill to swallow as an EDGE fan, because, you know, do we want to run where he's recognized as Adam Copeland? Does he work out something with w W where he could use the name Edge? Is he the Edge? Is he like something stupid like Edge Copeland? You know I would what's that? Adah Adam Edge? Like? I don't know. I got the feeling that his career was ending this past Friday on SmackDown, not potentially continuing in AW. But this report is seems pretty like a fore gone conclusion to me that in two three months from now we have Edge in AW.

25:32 There's a lot of dream match scenarios that we'll see play out. It's just a matter of do we want to see it play out at this point in his career, Like, this is not an Adam Cole jumping from w e too. You know a w this is a guy who only has a couple more years left under his belt. And where do we want to see that final match take place? Is my thing? And I think for a guy like Edge, it should happen in w W. A yeah, I agree with that then, And then I thought as you were talking, I thought about the concept and a couple of things though. One is if if he does go to WWE, does that mean that when Beth's contracts up, she might make appearances in a AW and then we might get Beth and Brett Baker or Beth and Edge against Adam Colin Brett Baker, Like there's there are some dream matches for Beth Phoenix in AW as well if she decided to go that path of good thing. And this is a topic for our show maybe on a on a week or we're a little bit slower. We don't have like a five hour pay per view coming up, but a couple of those coming up. Now. Yeah, when when you talk about guys making that jump, these guys and they're older, stay just making that jump to AW.

26:34 And we've had this conversation on the show about has AW ever built you know, has a TOW built up. Any homegrown stars outside of baby MJF that are over with the crowd, maybe a yeah, But is it you know, for the law of the I mean, those were guys that were like kind of on that pillar thing when they moved over. But you look at, you know, some of the other guys that are maybe a little bit lower, you know, a private party, are they really over to the other guys that they've brought in. But those guys who are over, they can go anywhere they want to and they're gonna get a crowded reaction. So the allure of AW when you're already over and don't have to work as hard, is really compelling. But if you're a younger guy and you're still trying to establish yourself, maybe going to NXC is the right route because they can kind of teach you how to get over, maybe better than what aw's done. I look at a guy like Brian Pillman Jr. Who's making that jump over to WW here the next month or so, we'll see him in NXC. But some of those guys that are younger and got that contract, having established themselves, and if you're not getting over on AW, are you average you're gonna be able to get over anywhere else. Interesting point. Yeah, so we'll see here Edge possibly wrestling his last WE match in his career and could very well be on his way to All Elite Wrestling. Speaking of AW doctor Trey, we will pre if you predict aw all In here in momententarily, but let's talk about it before we get into the show itself.

28:03 How important is this AW all In show for the future of the promotion and this Sunday over eighty thousand people Wembley Stadium, London, England, they revived the all In brand for All Elite Wrestling. Will be the first time that AWS ran an all in show and they're doing it. They're promoting it as the biggest wrestling crowd in history. I know they are approaching the WRESTLEMANE thirty two record, which was over I believe eighty two eighty three thousand. So it's very well possible little week from now that this show has surpassed that and will be recognized from an attendance standpoint. Sorry wrestlemany three that it was the biggest wrestling show attended in history, which is kind of a surprise because up until the last couple of months, Aw's creative has not been that great, so it is the allud just to create history and be there for the first debut show over in London, England. They've been good as of late, but sometimes when you look at the card, people are like, I don't know about this doing back to back shows as well. There's been a lot of back and forth about that. But nonetheless, taking a step back from all that again, I asked the question, how important is all in this Sunday for the future of the promotion? By the way, I think it was named another pay per view for them. They could do all in, all out and then all that there you go. Okay, a little nod to the Nickelodeon show, Yes exactly, But I think those shows really really important to them. And I don't want to say it's like a turning point or a fork in the runners like that, But when you're gonna have this

29:36 many eyes on your product and you're going out there, you're saying, hey, this is gonna be the largest wrestling crowd in the history of wrestling, You're gonna get some mainstream attention from that as well, and so from that alone, you want to make sure you're on point. I mean, if we have you know, production gaps or pyro gaps or things like that, it's going to be even more magnified on this stage where you know, you're casual. Like the one thing we talked about, you have to get the eyes of the casual wrestling fans on your product in order to grow. You can't just stay tied into the diehards. Here's your chance to grab some those casual fans because they're gonna hear about on ESPN, they're gonna hear about on CBS Sports, they're gonna hear about different outlets that about how big this show is and everything else. If you have a pyro incident like you have with you know, the barbed wire match, or you know any of these other like weird things that have happened, and we just go, oh, like we just kind of grow because grown, because it's a growing pain. On this stage, it's gonna get magnified even bigger. So it's an opportunity for them to grab some more casual fans and bring to their product. But at the same time, you just don't want those huge mistakes that make you look like a minor league team playing a major League stadium, so you's got to be mindful of that as well. Looking at the overall card right now, touch train and I know you don't have at top of mind right now.

31:08 We'll run through it here momentarily. But there is a lot of social media chatter that the build for this show has been lackluster. I mean, AW is right and rightfully so ramping this up in a huge way as a massive turning point for the promotion, And there is a lot writing on this Sunday show, and rightfully so, like I'm very happy for AW to accomplish what they have and all wrestling fans should be voting for rooting for that as well. The tribalism of being like that I hope they fail and all that shit, it's just ridiculous, because this is good for wrestling. That a promotion not named WWE is able to get over eighty thousand people in a stadium in a country that they have never been to before. This is a huge accomplishment and the success of the show is tenfold important for the future of the AW promotion because this could be the end of the first chapter of a w and taking it to the next chapter and helping it get closer and closer to a you know, a one B or one A. However, you want to look at it as an equal to a WE in the eyes of everybody around the world, rather than a quote secondary promotion. Nonetheless, the card has been chastised in a way. What do you think of the build? What did you think of the build? What do you think of the formation of it? Are you getting what you want to see this Sunday during this historic show. I mean I'm getting some of what I want. I mean, MJF Adam Cole on papers a match, I would want to see the build

32:42 for this match in this setting I think is different. I mean, usually, if I'm heading into a show where I know we're going to put sixty seventy thousand people in the stadium, whether it's a Wrestlingmania, Summer Slam, something like that, you know something this magnitude, I want that main event to feel like it's going to be a fight. I want that. I want those casual fans. I want those people that, for lack of a better term, think it's still real to them. I want them to buy into the animosity and this is kind of like that they've done the whole friendship angle leading into this match, and I'm like, okay, so we're playing the competitive friend angle instead of the animals angle. So that makes me a look at Leary, you look at the Stadium Stampede match, like those are fun matches and enjoyable, but you know, would I rather see you know, Omega and Orho. I rather see you know, a singles match or a tag match with animosity and anger and victual build to it. So to me, something like this, some of these matches had a one week build or a two week build, and they've never really gone face to face with stuff like it's not it feels like, for lack of a better term, like when a kid tries on his daddy's shoes. It's huge and it's fun, but it's not the same as when dad puts his shoes on and goes

34:13 to work, and it almost feels like it's the indie show trying to be WWE in the presentation, but the build is not on the level of what we get to for a SummerSlam or Amania or a Rumble for that matter. So that's where I think the difference is. I think that's where the backlash has come from. Folks on the build up to this, to this show. Yeah, and I think maybe this is a reflection of a promotion that is not used to this opportunity, doctor Try. I mean, it's that fair to say that, Like they're there. They don't have the record of being able to build towards massive stadium shows like this like WWE has with Wrestlemanian SummerSlam, and you're kind of seeing that newer promotion, you know, less than five years. I think that's a fantastic points something I have not thought about until you said it as the reason why the build for a show like this has not been up to snub to the level of promotion that AW is giving it. Yeah. I mean and once again, like you and I after this show, like when you look at the AW calendar, what is their big build to show every year? Yeah? Is it all out?

35:23 Is it's you know, one of the other one, Like is it? What's what are you building towards? I mean you look at WWB, they were always building towards SummerSlam. Stark I mean w W E or WCW NWA for years. There's always buildings. A stark impact is bound for Glory Ring of honor final Battle, you know, or you know, like we always had penultimate shows that you were building towards. I don't think AW does that, and I'll one hand it is I don't want to say lack of experience, but it is almost like a cocky attitude, like, Hey, we're gonna keep doing what we're always doing because it's been working for us. But this is a different setting than what you're typically in and you've had I mean, how long ago was the Women we same show now? It's like four months ago? Five months? Yeah, April? Yeah, So why have you not been building now since April to get to this? Like all storylines lead to this show knowing you're gonna have more eyes on the product than you typically do. So it's almost either inexperience or bravado that they really haven't changed their modus operati leading into it. And dear God, I just used a lot of big words that so I used ten ultimate most operatic, Jesus Christ, what the hell's wrong with me today? And Doctor Trey's doing Mortal.

36:40 I feel like they went into this show building didn't like they do any other normal pay per view, and I think that is where they were wrong. In that sense. I have loved the MJF Adam Cold storyline, Like I think it has been a lot of fun and enjoy to watch, and it's gone in a direction I did not think it was going to go and making MJF a baby face, and I think to this point that he is barring a turn going to be a baby face moving forward. So that was really cool. But you think about that, I mean, that's the main event match, and I'm very happy and proud for those two guys, But you asked yourself, It's like, was that build and this match the one that should be headlining all In? And I don't know the direction of this build for all In. Maybe this shouldn't have been used for this type of show, Maybe it should have been something bigger. I still say, and maybe this is what's the hang up for me, the fact that we're not getting CM Punk and FTR versus Kenny Omegan the Young Bucks in a main event at all In. It's just very telling about how bad the backstage Jerry is in aw right now. Like the fact that's not happening is like atrocious. I mean that was the moneymaker. You guys could not put your your differences are that bad that you could not headline this show, of all shows where people want to see those two groups feud because of the real life beef between them,

38:15 especially see them Punk in the elite. They couldn't come to do it is like mind boggling to me. Maybe that's where it's a personal hang up for me. But I mean, as I look at this card and we'll preven predict it here, it just doesn't I don't think it does it for me? Doctor Try. I gotta be honest. I wish there was some better build for a lot of these matches. Yeah, not to mention, you could have done a WrestleMania rematch on this show that actually had a little bit of backstage anamossa. You could have done Jericho and Punk yep. I was just thinking that. And we know after brawl Out that there was some contention between Jericho and Punk and they've said that they've kind of hashed that out.

39:02 But you could have done that. You know, you look at the stuff with what's his name talk, I can't pronounce his name, Takashita, Canosia, Takeshka, t Keshka, are we doing it? Takeshka and Omega at all at the show we are where they're doing this sex man tag team match, but once again, it's not a singles match, and that was one of the most brutal beat downs we saw a few months back, and they still haven't done a singles one on one match to play off that. But we're getting in this six man It's like, guys, some of this stuff is basic wrestling, Like like you said, I love the MJF Adam Cole storyline, I really do, but this build up feels like you're building to a secondary pay per view to get the turn of one of these guys on the other to then lead to the bigger show. And that's one of the things that means always done really well is like, hey, if it's a B show, hey we made do a turn post match to then lead to we just thought a Summer Slam for crying out loud. We saw, you know, Jay Usso turn on Roman. They beat up as brother to build a Summer Slam, and that's how it's done. I mean, you look at Russellmania like outside, I mean, Roman Cody was not in that same area of says, but look you look at Sammy and Kevin against the USO's like, you're building that contention to pay off at your bigger events, And I think that's one thing they haven't done very well is lay out to

40:35 the fans, Hey, this is our A show. These are our A shows, these are our B shows on pay per views, So that way, you know what you're kind of getting into. Like, I love that their storytelling for the most part on a lot of this stuff, it's been great. But even FTR and the Bucks, you and I talked about a couple of weeks ago, like it's a great matchup, this is the what the rubber match or the second match, third match rubber matchup, But once again, play back into this, like, have some actual interactions between these guys, have some back and forth, even if it is friendly competitive battle between two the top tag teams in the world, you know, have something go back and forth other than just like you know, a little bit of appointing, a little bit of a slight no like build up a little bit of stuff in there to make me feel like, hey, these guys have a personal issue, not just a competitive issue on who's the best tag team in the world. Like just those little subtle tweaks would be fine, but we get a lot of like last second booking for this show and some storylines that are great, but maybe for you know, a Fighter Fast or you know one of the other pay per views that you know are kind of down down the pipe a little bit to get to this. I mean, it's just they have so many things they could have done that would make sense.

41:53 I mean, you put Jericho and Punk in Wembley Stadium. Hey, there's your headliner. Well, so like the diehard fans, yeah, Adam Cole, MJF We're buying into. But those casual fans, if they're like, hey, we got Jericho and Punk, which is a WrestleMania rematch in Wembley Stadium in front of ninety thousand people, and that was one of my favorite WrestleMania matches because it's underrated because it was so stiff and hard hitting with some real life trauma behind it exactly, you know, like pay that off, bring that back up, and that way you're still not that way, you can still save Punk and Kenny Omega for another show, and you and I aren't complaining about it, because hey, we can look at that real life drama they had, plus their history, and I'm on board with that match, and that's just to me, match making, simple building one on one, and it just kind of frustrates me when I look at it, like they're still booking super indie shows on a setting that is a WrestleMania type setting for a potentially turning point show in their company history. Last question I want to ask you before we preven predict how much is the All Out Show a week later taken away from this card in your mind? If anything, I didn't even know there was one, Like I think y'all out show? I mean, if I'm putting a show on it for a ninety thousand people and I might have a show right after it, Like, how can I possibly make that an event worth watching? Like unless you do something crazy, unless

43:24 you have a Bash at the Beach moment or something of that ilk where we're like, holy cow, I can't believe that happened. Now I have to watch All Out? But what are you gonna build? What are you gonna what storylines are you building for All Out? This short returnaround time. It's just it's completely baffling to me the way they're setting this up. And it's like, now, next year when you don't have all in and you're doing it all out? Are you also damaging the brand name of all out by putting it so close to all in? It's it's a it's a weird dichotomy. I would have never done it. Well, see how it plays out. You know, two weeks from now we'll be talking about the all out All in aspect to this entire thing and how it plays towards the future of AW I wouldn't have played it this way, but it's very well possible.

44:12 Even with the way that the card is looking. Then a week from now, Doctor Trey and I sit here and go, this is a fantastic show, one of the best the year, such a great atmosphere, a lot of fun to watch, and we forget about the build. But heading into it, it's like, man, you have this amazing opportunity in the build has been lackluster and last minute, and that's what's disappointed. As a wrestling family, wants to see some good long term storylines that bringing all together, So we'll see where it goes. This Sunday All in London, England, Wembley Stadium, expecting over eighty two thousand people to be in attendance. It's being build as the biggest event in wrestling history, Doctor, and might I add Doctor Trey and I are recording this during Dynamite, so it's very well possible that matches on this card could be changed. Let's start with one that could be changed. It's the pre show match as Aussie Opened defend the ROH World Tag Team Championship against MJF and Adam Cole. Aussie opened his due to be taken on the Hardy Boys. As Doctor trying to record this, we have no idea who's won that match, so as possible, could be the Hardy Boys versus m Jeff and Adam Cole. Wish to me would be more of a all in match than the one with Assie Open, and I'm a big fan of Aussie Open. With that said, I really like this idea of the main event battling for the tag team Championship and the pre show.

45:29 This is also a way to get fans in their seats. You could tell great business by aw here that there is concerned that fans will not be in their seats for the start of this show. That's why they're putting MJF and Adam Cole on the pre show because they want fans to check it out. With that said, I'm gonna take m jeff and Adam Cole to become the new ROH World Tae Team Champions. Doctor Try. By the way, it also gives Adam Cole at MJF five hours to recover. He gives them time to recover for the main match matches. I am going this is where I think we're going to differ a little bit. I am going to take Aussie Open to retain their tag teams holes by disqualifications. I think MJF and MCLE get the win by DQ, but I can't see them putting the Ring of Honor Tag Teams titles on those two guys when they're fighting for the world title and then you have nothing on that Ring of Honor brand for tag teams.

46:19 So I just can't seem MJF and MCLE being on a Ring of Honor YouTube show. So I will take Assie Open to retain their tag titles by disqualification. Next match here is for the AW World Tag Team Championship is FTR Defense against the Young Bucks. I'm going to take the Young Bucks in this one, Doctor Trey. I think with Cash Wheeler's recent arrests, and potential legal troubles. They may look to get the titles off of FTR rather than keep them on them when this is going on. So I'm gonna take the Bucks. I'm taking the Bucks for the cash wheeler thing. And then also, like, if you're going to get to a point where we do the elite versus c mftrs, that what you called them left, that's right, that's where they go by c MFTR, CMFDR. Somebody's gotta played the bad guy.

47:02 So if the Bucks win, FDR gets mad. Now you can have FDR, the FDR and CM punk to play the heels against the elite. Get more buy in for that, and it makes it more compelling. So I will take the Bucks to win the World Tag Team title as well. Next match, here's a car Sheeta versus Tony Storm versus Sorea versus Doctor Burt Baker dm D in a four way match for the aw Women's World Championship across sheet of defending Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? I am taking Sirea to win because I think if she has the belt, then she can have the outcast kind of play buffers. That way, she doesn't have to work as much. I think this was their idea to transition the belt off Tony Storm and put it on Sorea to get more eyes on the product. Plus, then you can build to Britt Baker and Sorea again.

47:47 So I will take Sirea winning the world title. Women have women's title in her homeland of England as well. I love that call, Doctor Trey. I would love to go with Sorea, but I'm gonna go with doctor Burt Baker. Dm D. I think they gotta put the championship back on her, But I love your pick for Surrey. You almost convinced me to make a switch, but I'm gonna stick with my pick here with Doctor Burt Baker. Next match is Darby Allen and Staying taking on Swerve Strickland and R Fox of the Mobile Embassy and a tag team coffin match. I'm so happy for swarving r Fox getting this opportunity. Dat straight, Who do you like in this one? By the way, why do the baby Faces go attack somebody in their building because they were they attacked Nick Wayne? Yeah, but you that's basically got home invasion and baby Faces don't do well other than Steve Austin.

48:31 I thought it was eye for an Eye. I liked it. To me, it's was it's one of It's just old school me. I'm taking Stinging Darby Allen because Sting doesn't lose in AW so I take Stinging Darby Allen. There are rumors that this could potentially be his last match, staying Darby Allen or with Sting. Excuse me, I'm gonna take Singing Darby Allen and get the victory as well. By the way, is that all letdown for you? If this is Sting's last match, that it's And notice I think the survn aar fox. But if this is things less match, would you want to go out and kind a bigger, bigger match. Yeah, But I guess maybe the stage is what they're thinking that this could be his last match on I mean, this is just pure speculation, but I agree the match. No, I think Darby Allen versus Sting would be a great way for him to go out. But I think they're just thinking at the stage of Wembley Stadium, eighty thousand is a potential here. Okay, it's Corbyn, It's Barren Corbyn. Kurt angle to me what it is? Yeah, No, I hear you. Next match is the Golden Elite Coda Boushi, Kenny, Omegan, Hangman and and Paige checking on Cano Skate Takeshka, j White and Juce Robinson, all those two of Bullet Club Gold and a six man tag team match. I'm going to take the Golden Elite Coda, Kenny and Hangman. Yeah, I'm taking the Golden lead as well. You don't have Cod to come in and with d have Cod to lose, even though I do like Bullet Club Gold, but just on this stage, and plus it can always build up to Omega and to Keshka as well, So I'll take the Golden and Elite getting the win. Next match here is the Stadium Stampede match. Just Eddie Kinkson Orange, Cassie, Chuck Taylor, Trent Breta,

50:01 Penta El, Sarah Mieto, and to be announced because Ray Phoenix is reportedly injured. They'll be taking on John Moxley, Caudiocass and Only Wheeler. You to the Blackpool Combat Club and three mystery partners. Again. They may have announced the rest of this match while we're recording this, so we don't know. But Doctor Trey, who do you like in this one? Somebody's getting Mirro in this match. That's all I can think of right now. Mirro's on one side again or the other, because he doesn't really have anything on this on the show today. So I'm taking Blackpool Combat Club because I just don't think you can have them lose two best friends, and as much as I love Chuck and Trent, they're just not on the level of the rest of Blackpool Combat Club. I like him taking Blackpool Combat Club and the three Mystery Partners to get the victory in Stadium Sampane. This is gonna be a lot of fun. I love that they're doing this match at Wembley.

50:52 Next match is a dream match of sorts, depending on if you think it's a dream match. I think it is. I don't know if Doctor Trey feels the same way, but we'll lost taken on Chris Jericho. I'm gonna take will Osprey getting the victory. Yeah, I mean it's a dress. Sorry, I was thinking about who I picking this match, but yeah, on paper, it's a dream matches is like generational type stuff and two guys that have kind of came up very similar the business being high flyers then putting on some size and getting a little bit more brutes. Yeah, I really want to pick Jericho's I think he needs a win, not that for legacy, is just for his standing in AW. But once again, it's will Osprey in the United Kingdom that crowds would go nuts for him. So I'll take will Osprey as well. Next match, here's for the real World Championships.

51:37 See him Punk defends against Samoa Joe. I'm gonna take see him Punk in this one, Doctor Trey, because I feel like he challenges for the AW Championship a week later at All Out in Chicago. Yeah, I'm same thing for me as much as I love. By the way, have you watched sust the medal yet he take? No, I've heard it's very good. It's very good, even though Joe doesn't talk, which is disappointed because his voice would be great in the role. But it's it's it's really entertaining. I'm taking Cmpunk as well because I don't know the last time Joe beat CM Punk was it was probably a ring of honor then, right yep? Yeah yeah, Sampunk did not ever defeat Samoa Joe until recently the Ownhart Tournament in a w sows. I think it was Owen three in his career.

52:17 Okay, so I'll take Sampunk as a guy to get back to even so to massages ego a little bit, and then finally the main event for the AW World Champion, Doctor Trey MJF defends against Adam Cole. Uh. This one, This one, I don't know about you. This one's a little bit hard for me because I've kind of been going back and forth on it because I could see it going both ways. I could see either one of the guys turning on the other guy. I'm gonna take MJF to retain because I don't want to say it's a been a lackluster title run, but I think he needs some signature title wins to really establish his legacy as champion, So I'll take MJF getting the win at all Out. I don't think there's any wrong with you saying that it's been a lackluster run, because I would agree with you. It's not where I thought it would be so far, it's been below my expectations, slightly below my expectations. With that said, I'm going to take MJF to retain and take on CM Punk a week later at All Out so both of us taking MJF dot I'm kind of surprising that not to mention, and once again, this is that near sightedness of AW, like, we're going to get if that, if that comes through first, we're getting in JF and Punk within a week. It's the World World Championship stuff. That's the It's like it's predictable in that sense, which which one makes it, which match gets lessened by the other one. That's the like, are we so like after the show? Are we like, oh my god, MJFLE is great, Oh yeah, we got to see him Punk match coming up? Or are we like I can't believe they're doing this

53:52 because that CM Punk MJF match based on their history would be amazing. But we've had less than a less than a week build up to it, so it's gonna be like they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot for all out based on having all in so soon. Yeah, I would love to know behind the scenes, like how did this? Why is all in and all out around the same time. I don't know if there's a story out there right now. I felt like I had read at some point that this was one of the only weekends that AW could have Wembley Stadium, and I may be incorrect in that, but I would have never done the biggest show in the history of your promotion then a week later doing another show that you know. Doctor Trey and I debate all the time, like is this the Kuda grah for aw or is it double or nothing? I don't believe it's revolution.

54:37 I don't believe it's full gear. I feel like it's either all out or double or nothing. Which one is their WrestleMania. I don't know, it's it's a it's a scenario we never have seen really play out all that much. Ww we did it once in recent memory that I could think of. I think they did Summer Slam one week and then a week later. They did Payback in twenty twenty, but twenty twenty was really weird and fucked up, so maybe that's why they I did it. Here we are three years later, and they did not have eighty thousand people in attendance for summers them. They had like ten, and those were production workers and then people on a screen in Devinwi. So I don't know. I'm Nonetheless, I'm excited, Dr Trey. I'm excited to see this crowd. I'm excited to see the energy. I'm excited to see the audience. I expect it to be a very fun and entertaining show. I hope a week later we're sitting here going man, all in exceeded expectations and then some. Despite the poor built it's weird. I have to kind of preference myself when I watched the show and knowing that, look, if this crowd is anything like Cardiff, it like you and I are. Theorisaid it was a fantastic show because the crowd energy will pump it up, just like the show in Puerto Rico.

55:46 Like on paper as solid show, but then the crowd energy just brings it up even more. So I kind of like, I always want to watch the show with no crowd volume, Joe, so I can see all right on my or not, because I know the crowd's gonna hype me up even more. So I'm really really looking forward to that as well, Like it's gonna be a great environment. The UK deserves this so much and I really just hope that it hits all of their expectations because this is you know, all hands on deck, all eyes on the product, and you're gonna have more fans checking this out for AW than they've had on any other show, So you got to bring your A game and then follow up with another A game because you have All Out a week later. Yeah, and we will recap and review All In on next week's edition in the podcast on August thirty, first episode seven h seven will recap interview all In, and then we will also preview predicted WWE Payback and AW all Out. So there's a lot going on heading into this Labor Day holiday here in the United States. I expected to be a very fun and historic weekend for all the wrestling. I'm excited for them. They deserve this. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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