Sept. 26, 2024

Are Cinematic Segments Good For Wrestling? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #763 – 9/26/24

Are Cinematic Segments Good For Wrestling? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #763 – 9/26/24

On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:

- -- We look back at the cinematic segment between Roman Reigns & Cody Rhodes from SmackDown!
- -- Jey Uso's 4 year climb reached a pinnacle this past Monday!
- -- The NXT on USA era comes to a close...

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On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:

  • -- We look back at the cinematic segment between Roman Reigns & Cody Rhodes from SmackDown!
  • -- Jey Uso's 4 year climb reached a pinnacle this past Monday!
  • -- The NXT on USA era comes to a close and we look back at some of our favorite moments!
  • -- A big change is expected for SmackDown soon!
  • -- We look at some recent wrestling contract news including a big name that could be AEW bound!
  • -- And we look back at "AEW Grand Slam!"

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It's to.

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Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition a snow Real

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Dot Show Episoumber seven and sixty three, ver September twenty six,

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twenty twenty four. Welcome to this week's edition of ass

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r T You. I am one After the show, I

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am Jeff Peck joined every single week from my host

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one only about Troy Franklin, Doctor Trey. There cinematic segments

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here to stay my friend.

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Oh god, I I really do. Like I call me crazy,

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but that was one of my favorite things during the

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pandemic and to kind of bring them back, and you know,

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nobody produces those things like like WWE, so I really

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really enjoy them. And uh, heck, I learned this week

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that Cody Rhodes moved to California at eighteen and took

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acting lessons, So hey, gotta get your money, your money's

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worth out of that stuff somehow.

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Yeah, let's get right into it. So the SmackDown segment,

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the face to face confrontation between Roman Rains and Cody

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Rhodes at Georgia Tech University, which was tipped off earlier

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that day by wrestle votes on Twitter, said that they

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had filmed a segment. He didn't or she didn't. I

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believe he's a he wrest of bolts now he's doing

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radio with Bill after. But he didn't say like it

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was gonna air on SmackDown that night or whatever. But

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I had already been tipped off on him. And they

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aired the segment on SmackDown, and I watched it and

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I was riveted. I was entertained. I thoroughly enjoyed it,

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and of course all things that is social media nowadays,

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you saw a lot of people that loved it. You

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saw people that disliked it, and I was like, man,

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I really like this, So let's talk about on this week.

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This is a show. I want to hear what doctor

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Treace say about open it up with the show. It

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seems like you were on the same plane field as

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I am on this one, Doctor Trey. I love the

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segment and I thought it was awesome. I love that

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they are doing these NXT styled segments now on the

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main roster of Ron SmackDown. What I mean by that

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is Jeremy Borash, who was one of the people responsible

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for directing producing this segment between Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes,

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would do it all the time down in NXT, especially

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over the last like three or four years, you've seen

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it like Legato del fount Tasma, we do a bunch

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of stuff that was cinematic. The DiAngelo family does a

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bunch of stuff that's cinematic. It was things that you

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typically see from NXT that's now carried itself up over

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to the main roster. And I loved it. So this

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is nothing that has been kind of new, but new

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to the ron SmackDown audiences for those that watch NXT.

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I thoroughly enjoyed it, Doctor Trey. I was heavily entertained.

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They don't need to do this all the time. They

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need to do it when it's right and justified. And

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I thought this was one of those situations where it

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was Yeah.

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I thought it made a lot of sense because, I mean,

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you have your arguably your two faces of your company

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that were involved in a two year long rivalry culminating

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a WrestleMania and now they're teaming up against their common

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enemy and we needed some questions answered. I thought this

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was a very logical way to do it, because it's

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it's gonna be impassioned. And as much as you and

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I both love live television. Doing stuff like this allows

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you to get your point across clearly and concisely, and

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you can articulate it to the audience that you know

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exactly the way you want it done. You know, you

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and I do this podcast and we do a live

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We don't do multiple takes, we don't do a whole

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lot of editing. It is literally what we say comes

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out boom, goes right to the audience. You know, there

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are times that I wish I'm like, man, I wish

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I could go back and tweak that or change that,

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or I wish I didn't say that. This is just

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that way for the audience to actually understand why Cody's

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doing this, why Rome is doing this, and that makes

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a lot of sense. And you know, Jeremy Borash maybe

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one of the most underrated wrestling minds. I mean, you

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go back to stuff. I mean, he was one of

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the focal points during you know, the Hardy deletion campaign

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in TNA. You know, it was him and Matt Hardy

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that put a lot of that stuff together. And when

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he came to WWE, I was hoping he would be

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utilized in the right way, and it seems like he's

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found his niche and is able to, you know, kind

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of take what he took in TNA and bring it

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to a stage like w W. It's being really well done.

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P w Insider reported via Wrestling Purists on Twitter quote

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Jermy Borash produced the Roman Rings Cody Rhodes face off

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that aired on last night SmackDown. This was written on

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Saturday Morning. WA's director of character development, Rob Fee was

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also on the scene for the segment. Is He and

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Borash have been collaborating on projects and segments like this

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as of late. In addition to Jeremy Borash and Rob,

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Paul Hayman was involved in the face to face segment

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between Rains and Roads on last Night SmackDown and personally

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directed the talent for the scene. Again, I loved it.

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For those who did not enjoy it or don't want

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it in their wrestling, I simply ask why if you're

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one of those people hit us up on X at

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SRT you podcast, because I'm genuinely confused as to why

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people would not be interested in this type of entertainment

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or way to explain a storyline or further a storyline,

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because it's what you see on television. It's a dramatized scene.

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It's cinematic, it's different, it's outside the box. It checked

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all the boxes and it answered questions that we were

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looking for as to why they would do this is

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their apprehension there is there is still disdain for one another,

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but they see a common enemy. And the enemy of

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the enemy of my enemy is my friend is playing

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out on our screen right now, and it's it was great.

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I mean, if there was one little tweak I would

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say about the entire thing, Doctor Trey is. I wasn't

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the biggest fan of the music involved, like front and

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back of it, probably could have done without, but I

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understand why they do it. But I may have tweaked

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that one thing. But from start to finish thoroughly entertain

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it checked all the boxes for me, and I enjoyed

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it as if you were watching from home, and I

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want to see more of it going forward.

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Yeah, I mean, there's only so many Creed songs we

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can use in.

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WWE WWE desire please bring it.

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Back, like I'll get here, I'll get here, as like

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Jeff pet going God. I wish they'd use my sacrifice.

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You are with me, you know, But I like, yeah,

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like the music I mean, I mean since Jim Johnson left,

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I mean, the music for WW hasn't been up to

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I don't think the music's gotten better since Jim Johnson left.

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The company or they let him go. But yeah, I

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mean there's always little small tweaks and things like that.

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Like for one, here's the one thing I like. I

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like that they alluded to Roman Reigns as college football career.

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That's something we've never touched on really in the development

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of Roman Reigns as a character over the last ten

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years on TV. Was his football career, and that was

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something that they went to right away and it made

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a lot of sense. And I love that Paul Hayman's

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there because nobody knows the history of Paul Haym but

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those history of wrestling as well as Paul Hayman, especially

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when it comes to the Samoans and the Rhodes family, Like,

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I mean, he can nail this stuff. I mean, as

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much as you know Roman and Cody our second borderline,

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third generation superstars, like they don't know everything their dads did,

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but you know, Paul Hammond's been around for a lot

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of their father's careers as well. He can tie it

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all up. Make it look pretty and then you got

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you know, like Jeremy Boresh there, who's done a lot

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of crazy stuff in wrestling. When it comes to the

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cinematic stuff, I thought it was really well done. The

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music is when it is because it's just like what

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we haven't had a really good theme song since Bobby Route,

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so you know it is.

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What it is true. That is for true. Though, I

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would say the new Intercontinental Champion, who we will talk

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about here next, Jayuso, has a very catchy tune. So

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Doctor Trey and I both like the cinematic segments here

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want to see more of it. When it's done appropriately,

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it can really transcend very well with the viewer at home,

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and I enjoyed it. Again, if you're someone that did

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not hit us up on Twitter at SORG podcast, because

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I have no idea why someone would not like that,

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I mean I literally saw which it is, it's X,

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it's Twitter. It makes sense. People were like this was garbage,

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and I was like what really, I didn't get that

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at all. So we have a new Intercontinental Champion, Doctor

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Treys jay Usso, which I will say surprisingly defeated bron

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Breaker this past Monday night, and I say surprisingly personally,

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because I thought bron Breaker was going to get a

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decent run with a championship. Well, I think it was

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a little over fifty days. But when you think about things,

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you take a step back. Jayus So being crowned the

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un You Account champion makes a ton of sense. He's

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one of the top merchandise sellers with the company right now.

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He is certainly on a swing to go upwards on

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this trajectory, and they needed to do something. They needed

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to put some sort of championship on him. It's reminiscent

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of La Night on the SmackDown Sign, who has a

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ton of popularity, and that's how you're seeing it play

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out on the raw side. But when I take a

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further step back dout to Trey, I tend to think

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about where we were four years ago, twenty twenty pandemic,

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great times, awesome year. People loved it, couldn't do jack

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shit and just stay at home because of a near

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flu like symptoms. Nonetheless, you've got jay Uso. He gets

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a title shot, a random title shot for the Hell

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in a Cell pay per view in October. I think

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he won a Battle royal to win that, right, or

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it was like a six pack challenge. I couldn't remember

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what it was. Nonetheless, he goes from somebody that wasn't

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utilized on television for the last like four or five

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months because Jimmy Uso was out from injury. He got

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injured during the russell Mania thirty six Triple Threat Ladder

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match for the tag team titles that did not involve

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any tag teams for those that are historians, and jay

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Usa was like regulated to background scenes. I remember they

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were doing like the Intercontinental Title Tournament which Daniel Bryan

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aj Styles were in the finals on that one, and

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like jay us was in the background. We're in like

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an USO's hat and he wasn't showcased on television, but

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out of nowhere, he is now the number one contender

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for the w Championship against Roman Reigns at Helen a

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Cell And it did not make sense. But as at

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the time, and then as time went on, you saw

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the character development of jay Uso really take off. You

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saw jay Uso become more confident. The inn ring skills

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were always there, the personality was always there, but you

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got to see that showcase through really really well, and

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over the last year and a half, when he turned

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on the blood Line, left the blood Line, became his

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own man main Evan jay Uso on the Monday Night

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Rod Brand. He's really taken off. He is very super

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over with the fans. He is extremely popular. He is

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very confident in the ring, He is very confident in

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the microphone. He is very confident in his character. And

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I watched that segment crowd reaction. It isn't Mick Foley

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winning the WE Championship in nineteen ninety nine surprisingly over

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the Rock on Raw, but it was up there. I

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mean that crowd reaction was great. I got goosebumps, which

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is rare for me to get nowadays in professional wrestling.

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It was an emotional moment. It was a very cool moment.

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I love the stuff they aired on social media post

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Raw because they were running up against the block there

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because they need to get to Law and Order SVU

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very very quickly, and you can just see it was

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all genuine and heartfelt, and to me, it was watching

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the end of this four year climbing away where jay

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Usa went from low mid carter tag team wrestler. So

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what I never looked at is that could be more,

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anything more than a tag team star Doctor Trey to

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one of the most over popular stars in all of

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professional wrestling. How do you look back at these last

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four years of jay Uzo now that he's our Intercontinental Champion.

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when you're part of a tag team, it's it's really hard,

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especially if we've been in a highly successful arguably the

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greatest tag team of the modern era for WWE, especially

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when your partner's your twin brother, to break out, it's

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not really breaking out of your out of the partner's shadow,

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like you have to get the fans to separate you

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from your brother. I mean, the one thing with the

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usas you and I talked about this for a long time,

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I had a hard time telling them apart for years

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because they dressed the same, they had the same hairstyles,

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the whole thing. You saw them gradually start to form

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their own characters. And then you know, Jimmy and Jay

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have both had their issues. You know, one might it

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might get arrested, one's injured, you know, and then they

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just didn't wwe didn't to do with him without the

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other one. And it kind of took that match with

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Roman to kind of define who jay Uso can be.

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And he's been very very smart about this because he's

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taken different elements. And you know, I've alluded this to

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this with Cody Rose and some other guys over over

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the last few years, is take some elements from people

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who were highly successful and make it your own. Like

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I see a lot of macho man Randy Savage in

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this jay Uso, and the crowd response is natural. He's

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a great ring worker, his charismas come out. I mean,

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the only thing I hate is the nickname. I hate

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saying main event jay Huso because it's just kind of

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a cheesy nickname. But outside of that, this run has

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been fantastic and this match was like you've been Like

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you mentioned the Elia Night thing. It was one of

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those things where like if they don't pull the trigger now,

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and they brought up several times during the match, which

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kind of foreshadowed the conclusion for me. But this was

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like a six title shot, you know, at a singles

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titling add one one yet like if you weren't going

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to pull the trigger now, when were you going to

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do it? But the crowd reaction was great, The whole

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night was great, just a really really cool moment for

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somebody who's basically gone out of their way to bust

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their ass and get on this grind and do something

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uncomfortable and make their own mark in the world of

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professional wrestling.

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What do you think is the long term here for

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what is the ceiling for jay Uso? Is he future

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world champion material? Because I think he is, But I'm

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also concerned, like did we potentially reach the ceiling because

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I look back at these last four years and the

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growth and development of him as a star, as a wrestler,

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as a character has been amazing. But it's the same

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thing I think about with La Night. It's like, I

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look at those two guys and I go, can I

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ever see them as a world champion? And I think

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in most years I would say yes, I do. But

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I also think that the depth of the roster is

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so strong right now that it is not a slam

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dunk short of thing that Jay Usso or even l

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A Knight, who is you know, very interestingly here just

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kind of morphed into this conversation as well, because I

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do feel like they're the same person on different brands,

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could be a world champion at some point.

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I think both these guys, and you know, we've always

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regarded the you know, the Intercanyle title, the US title

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is like stepping stones, like, hey, if you can have

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a successful run here, it shows that you can be

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a potential world champion. I think sometimes it takes, you know,

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luck of the draw, like you might get a run

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where hey, all of a sudden, like a couple guys

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are injured, the positions have kind of switched around the

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pecking order, so to speak, to switched around, and all

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of a sudden, you're elevated into that main event spot

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and you get that opportunity to be world champion. I mean,

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I don't think you and I can ever say that

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they ever thought that Daniel Briant could be a world

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champion back when he came to WWE, you know, and

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he got his opportunity see him punk to a degree,

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Jeff already to a degree. But they were able to

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capitalize on their moments and the crowd reaction. The crowd

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got behind them and they became undeniable that they got

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that spot. And I think Jay and even l Knight

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to a degree or in that where it's like, could

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I see them as a world champion yes, would it

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take some unfortunate situations for them to get put into

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that spot. Probably it may be a little bit of

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you know, just bad luck for some other guys for

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them to get that opportunity. But both guys are are

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well liked by the crowd. La Knight looks like your

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prototypical world champion. Jay USO's a little bit that, you know,

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kind of like out there outside the box mentality. But

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I do think both guys could be a world champion,

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But I just don't think like that's in their cards.

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If you laid them out, if WW said, hey, who

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hasn't been a world champion that we think we can

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put the belt on, I don't know if they're at

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the top of that list, but they're at least on

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the list now.

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It's very cool to see the old school fan of me.

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The Intercontinental Championship was typically reserved for, you know, the

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workhorse title which you always hear and Dad Biwie videos, whatever,

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but it was also a stepping zone. It was an

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opportunity to see if somebody could run as a world champion,

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and people that had this upward momentum you would see

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all the time have that championship whether it be Brett Hart,

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Shawn Michaels, The Rock, Steve Austin as and and you're

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starting to see that return here with Gunther and Sammy

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Zain recently hold the Intercontinental Championship. Obviously, Gunther is the

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world champion. I think Sammy Zein is a world champion material.

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I think with the Intercontinental title, in the United States Championship,

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I think l A. Knight and Jay Usso if they

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are able to succeed with these championships, these secondary titles,

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this could be a true test if they can run

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with the World Championship and continue to build a popularity

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as well, which is an old school style of booking,

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which is very fun to see during Triple H's time

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now as the head of creative for World Rest Entertainment,

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because I feel like that is something that has been

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kind of lost over the last fifteen twenty years. Obviously,

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there's been times where that has happened, Doctor Trey pointing

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out some really good examples like Jeff Hardy holding the championship.

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I think of CM Punk hold the Intercontinental Championship one

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time as well. You know, these are people that use

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those opportunities as stepping zones. Chris Jericho when he held

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the Intercontinental Championship a little bit later on in the

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two thousands, that was the use as a stepping zone.

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So I like that it's back. It could be utilized

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as that stepping stone championship or as an opportunity to

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help elevate a star as someone that is one to

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keep an eye on, like a bron breaker. But I'm very,

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very happy for Juso. His four year clim has been

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incredible and I don't think I've seen someone develop so

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well in professional wrestling over the last four years like

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jay Uso truly has. So congratulations to him for overcoming

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the last obstacle or the most recent obstacle in being

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crowned Intercontinental Champion. Keeping with wwee here Doctor Trey, as

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we see a new error big again with Jusos Intercontinental Champion.

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We saw an error close this past Tuesday night as

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NXT on USA ended. NXT goes to the CW starting

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this Tuesday. They'll be in Chicago seeing punks that I

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don't know if anybody has heard about that yet, but

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you know, I was watching NXC this past week. I

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saw the video they did to recap the last five

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years on the USA Network, and I was like, man,

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this is such a big deal that they're this error

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is coming to a close, because from fourteen to nineteen,

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twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, NXT was just a one

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hour show on the WA network that got a cult

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like following. It got moved to two hours and on

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the USA Network to compete with AW a month prior

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to AW Dynamite launching, which we'll talk about their five

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year anniversary ad next week's show, and that was set

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to compete for the Wednesday Night Wars. They ended up

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losing that they got moved to Tuesday nights. We had

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Triple H have health issues. The two point zero era began,

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uh Triple H return, Black and Gold was back, and

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it had its a lot of ups, it had a

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lot of downs, and it was starting to ride and

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it is riding a really good wave of momentum that

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is reminiscent of the days of NXT that I truly

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enjoyed during that twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen stretch. When

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you look back at the last five years, Doctor Trey,

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what do you think about when it comes to the

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NXT brand? Ultimately, was this the right move. I feel

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like this was the right proper step for the brand

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to continue to grow. Was there more ups than downs?

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Was there more downs than ups? How do you look

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back at these last five years as they shift from

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the USA network to the CW network.

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I mean, it was the right move for the growth

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of NXT. I mean, obviously, you've got an extra hour

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of television, You've got a little bit broader audience. You know,

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you got to kind of experience for those for those

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younger talents, a little bit of what you would experience

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on you know, on raw or backdown, and it was

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kind of you started seeing more of the main roster

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people matriculate back to NXT during that time because you're

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in a competition with another company, where when it was

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just on the network, they weren't really competing with anybody else. Overall, though,

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I still think it's there's more downs than there were

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ups in comparison to their time on the network, because

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I felt like when they were just on the W network,

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it was just incremental growth the entire time. There weren't

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really any I mean, obviously there's gonna be slight bumps

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in the road, but you know, the triple h you know,

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health issue and then the rebranding, you know that that

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kind of messed the show up for a while. It

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took quite a while for some of the fans, Like

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I'm one of them. I dipped out of the show

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for like a year because it was so bad. And

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over the last you know, six months, year, year and

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a half, it's slowly gotten better in it's and you're right,

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it's getting closer to that premiere black and Gold era

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that we saw like on the network and then when

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it first came over to USA. But you know, for

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the most part, like to me, I still think of

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NXT being a WW network show because of how bad

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that two point zero re rebranding was when it was

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under the Vince and Bruce Pritcher control there, you know,

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right around twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.

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Those early shows on the USA network from like September

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to I want to say, like well just before the

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Pandemic movie March. But there was strekes there from like

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September December where it was like really really fun and

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cool and I had a really good vibe to it.

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I miss mar Ronaldo, I missed Beth Phoenix, I missed

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Nigel McGinnis. I think Vic Joseph and Booker t have

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done a good job, but I feel like that Free

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Person booth was one of the best in all of

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professional wrestling, and we clearly see that with Nigel McGuinness

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now in aw you in so many ways, both on

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the microphone and now back in the Squared Circle as well.

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That was a ton of fun. And what's crazy is

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I think there was one period of time where it

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was like in twenty nineteen you had there was like

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a segment where it had all the Undisputed era William

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Regal and Keith Lee in a shot. And then two

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years later, fast forward to Dynamite and they did this

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backstage segment where you had all the Undisputed era William

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Regal and Keith Lee and it was just mind blowing

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to see that because it felt like WW retreated so

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much and there was so much damage done to the

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NXT brand at that point that it was hard to

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process and hard to continue to move forward. As an

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NXT fan. I remember that last show just before the

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World shut Down on Wednesday night they aired in the PC,

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and remember Charlotte fair Flair showed up to take out

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Ria Ripley or whatever, and it was a really cool

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crowd in the PC, a lot of fun. It's a

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really good show. And then after that thing's changed, things

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definitely got weird during the pandemic for professional wrestling as

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a whole when they returned and then they were trying

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to find their footing as two point zero. I mean it,

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it was tough. That was a tough watch for a

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period of time. It certainly felt like it was a

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Vince Rickman driven w which is something at that point

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00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.759
I think we've all learned, I think a majority of

467
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.599
us have learned is outdated at this point and not

468
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.400
something that fans wanted. And NXT prior to that was

469
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:36.799
everything that fans wanted. NXT losing the fan base during

470
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:39.599
the pandemic definitely hit hard for them. I think was

471
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.720
hard to fur their storylines. I think it was hard

472
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.920
to gain the same excitement for the matches and the

473
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.200
segments and the storylines that you had in the past.

474
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.720
But overall, they've they've really done a good good job

475
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:54.279
over the last year and a half, the last year

476
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:58.839
especially to really find that voice, to find that confidence

477
00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:01.400
again as a brand, as a standalone brand, and I'm

478
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.039
excited for them to move to the CW. But this

479
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.440
I think if I looked back at the last five years,

480
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.839
doctor Trey, and it's like, Okay, how do you summarize

481
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.000
these last five years NXC on USA, I would say

482
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:14.880
it was just growth. There was good growth, there was

483
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.279
really bad growth. There was substantial growth, there was growth

484
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.920
that went backwards, there was growth that really went forwards.

485
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.640
But that's the word that I would use, is just

486
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.559
growth for the NXT brand. And I'm excited to see

487
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.759
where things go now with CW. There's been reports out

488
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.119
there to that WA wants to put a little bit

489
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.359
more focused on the NXT brand, but we've heard that before,

490
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.000
so hopefully that happens again and actually stays this time.

491
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.640
But overall, what would be your way that you summarize

492
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.839
if you had to pick a word for the last

493
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:46.680
five years in the USA network for NXT.

494
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.160
Yeah, I like growth because in my head I was

495
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:58.640
thinking of like if you've ever planted a vine and

496
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.079
you watch the buy and grow, you don't really control

497
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.920
where it goes. It can go up, it can go left, right,

498
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:08.200
it can go but you can get into some bad

499
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:10.000
stuff and you gotta trim it and that's how I

500
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.079
kind of figured, that's how I kind of look at

501
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.279
NXT on USA. There was a lot of growth, but

502
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.480
like you said, some of it was bad growth. Some

503
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:18.920
of it was you know, this thing's getting into my

504
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:21.640
sewage line, this thing is getting this thing's going all

505
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.720
over the place. I gotta trim this back. And I

506
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.519
immediately go to Tony D'Angelo because when Tony d first

507
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:29.799
came on the scene doing the whole you know, it

508
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:31.680
was much more of an Italian monster g but it

509
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:36.119
was so prototypical, so gimmicky and bad. Like I remember

510
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:37.880
you and I talked about off air. I'm like, this

511
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:42.319
character is horrible, But you've seen the growth of Tony

512
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.400
D over this time and now you're like, yeah, I

513
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.960
buy into Tony d. I buy into the family. I

514
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.400
like the whole thing. So it is one of those

515
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.839
things where like some growth is growth for the sake

516
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.839
of growth is not always good because it can be

517
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:02.039
like mold, it'll just be bad. But overall, I think

518
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.640
that they've grown the product, they've grown the brand, and

519
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.319
now when people come up to the main roster, they

520
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.960
have a little bit more of a following than they did.

521
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.240
You know, maybe just on the network era.

522
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.599
Yeah, that is true. I mean ultimately it helped further

523
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.440
the NXT brand and for those who weren't watching the

524
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.079
WA network if they were subscribers or not, and then

525
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:22.880
they got an opportunity to see in the USA network.

526
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:24.759
It allowed us an opportunity to see a lot of

527
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:29.079
stars grow there's that word again and carry it over

528
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.920
to the main roster. I mean. One of those very

529
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.559
early episodes on NXC and USA end of December, Riada

530
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:39.079
Ripley defeating SHANEA Basler, which is a very memorable moment

531
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.039
from this era where she's being hoisted up on the

532
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.279
on people's shoulders that are on the ring, celebrating. And

533
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.200
then look at where Rita Ripley is today and she

534
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.240
is one of the most over and maybe the most

535
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.680
over professional wrestling star in the entire industry today, which

536
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.079
is really really exciting to see. She got to start

537
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.000
at NXT and helped elevate the brand with the NXC

538
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.839
on USA era. So that comes to that has come

539
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.039
to a close as of this past Tuesday, they moved

540
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.960
to the CW starting this upcoming Tuesday, again seeing Punk

541
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.519
guest referee for the trick Williams Ethan Page Match, and

542
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.200
you've also got Roxane Perez taking on Julia All on

543
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.519
a very pay per view heavy edition of NXT on

544
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.279
the CW network. Keeping with the USA network Dot Trey.

545
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.279
One of the shows for WWE that recently moved over

546
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:28.799
there was Friday Night SmackDown. A report came out coming

547
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.720
to us from Wrestle Votes that w will look to

548
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:33.720
add a third hour to w SmackDown at the start

549
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.519
of the new year. USA Network will broadcast the new

550
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.400
three hour version of SmackDown beginning on Friday, January third.

551
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.279
This would be more in line with what we saw

552
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:47.319
with the w RAW early thoughts here at Doctor Trey

553
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.200
on SmackDown potentially and I'm just gonna throw well, I'll say,

554
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.960
reportedly moving to three hours starting on starting in January

555
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:55.880
twenty twenty five.

556
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.400
I mean, it makes sense from a revenue standpoint, because

557
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.079
you're losing an hour of advertising revenue by only doing

558
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.200
a two hour shows compared to Robbie and three and

559
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.119
USA you know, they know they're getting in bed with

560
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.960
I mean, this is not foreign concept to them. They're like, hey,

561
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.079
we know what we can draw with a three hour show.

562
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.319
We may not know what that those ratings will be

563
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.440
on a Friday night as opposed to Monday nights, but

564
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.759
we do know what we can charge for, you know,

565
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.400
for advertising, so it makes sense on that end. I'm

566
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.880
also happy about it because one of the concerns we

567
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.200
had when they when we first announced that Raw was

568
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.480
going to go to two hours was, Hey, there's a

569
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.839
lot of guys that you know, have been built up

570
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.440
because of that extra hour. Hey, at least now we

571
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.799
know that they may have to shift some people around

572
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:45.960
on the rosters to fill that extra hour over on

573
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.599
the SmackDown, But that's the show that kind of needs

574
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.599
some extra fill in, like you and I have been

575
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.240
complaining about the Cody Rhads title run because they haven't

576
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.200
built anybody else up to really challenge them with that

577
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.039
extra hour of programming. Now you can kind of build

578
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.160
up some new stars on SmackDown and maybe get some

579
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:05.880
more a little bit more compelling television, because I think

580
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:09.599
SmackDown may be the weakest of the three shows over

581
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:10.559
the past six months.

582
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.759
It's amazing how much I have flipped on this entire thing.

583
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.240
I mean, back in the day when they moved to

584
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.279
three hours, I absolutely hated it. You hated it, I

585
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.880
hated it. It did not make any sense. The way

586
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.640
that Vince handled those three hours, or creative under Vince

587
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.920
for three hours was like a mixed mosh. It was

588
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.079
like no further character development stuff that again wand and

589
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.440
carry forward. But under the Triple H creative regime, Doctor Trey,

590
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.400
it has made a ton of sense. The stuff on Raw, Like,

591
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.240
think about all the wrestlers who have been able to

592
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.759
get more TV time that we may not have seen

593
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.039
if it was for two hours. Bronson Reid comes to mind,

594
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:50.119
American made comes to mind. It's phenomenal to see this.

595
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.759
And then I watch Raw and I watched SmackDown. I'm like, man,

596
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.240
two hours. There are stars that I want to see

597
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.680
more of. I want to see more of Logato del Phantasma.

598
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.440
I want to see more of Carmelo Hayes, I want

599
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.200
to see more of Diy. I want to see the

600
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.960
tag team division on SmackDown developed more. And that's where

601
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.680
we're at. And WWA has won me over that if

602
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.799
they could put on three hours of programming and make

603
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.680
it make sense and make it worth my time, that

604
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.720
it is worth my time, and that is what they've accomplished.

605
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.000
So I'm excited for the two hour to three hour move,

606
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.599
you have to figure. I know there's reports out there

607
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.079
with the move to Netflix on January the sixth, twenty

608
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:29.359
twenty five, that WWA won't be holded to doing a

609
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.279
two hour show or three hour show. There's going to

610
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.039
be the reports are right now that if it's two

611
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:34.920
hours and twenty five minutes, it's two hours and twenty

612
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.279
five minutes. If it's three hours, it's three hours. If

613
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.119
it's three hours and eight minutes, it's three hours and

614
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.880
eight minutes. That they have basically free rain when they

615
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.440
air live on Netflix. And that's exciting because it's it's

616
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.039
got to allow them to put together a well organized

617
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.160
show with really no time constraints per se. I mean,

618
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:54.920
I guess they're going to pick and choose their commercials.

619
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.079
We'll learn more about that as we get closer. But

620
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.200
the character development this all, and that's kind of been

621
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.960
the theme here, going back to the cinematic matches with

622
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.319
or the cinematic segment with the Rains and Roads on

623
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.480
the show and jay usso an annixc on USA era.

624
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.440
Here we are again with the character development, and that's

625
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.640
what matters a lot to me as a fan is.

626
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.240
I could watch in ring stuff all day long. I

627
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.599
could watch a great match, but if I don't give

628
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.200
a shit about the wrestlers in the ring or their

629
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.519
development or how they've come to this point, or why

630
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.960
they've come to this point, why this match is taking place,

631
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.319
then it doesn't hit the same when you watch the

632
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.759
entire five course meal take place all at once, where

633
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.079
there's a few there's a story, there's a care, there's

634
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.119
some depth, and there's a great in ring work all

635
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.279
taking place at the same time. So I'm excited about

636
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.119
to move doctor Trey, and I never thought I would

637
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:42.559
get there, but here we are.

638
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.079
My friend, Yeah, I'm excited about it too, And I'm

639
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.400
really intrigued by the whole raw Netflix deal because, like

640
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.920
you said, like you know, the window is two hours.

641
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.960
If it goes to ten, two, five, three hours, it

642
00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:59.960
is it is. I am just waiting for the first

643
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.079
time they run short, and they run an hour and

644
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.759
fifty minutes, and you see the backlash, you know on

645
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.119
social media, like oh they shortest ten minutes. It's like yeah,

646
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.319
but they went over fifteen twenty minutes to previous four

647
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.039
or five shows. So just take it as you just

648
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.400
know the first time they run one hour and fifty

649
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.519
five minutes, there's gonna be a backlash on it. But

650
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.400
you know, I'm excited about about both shows because it's

651
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:29.519
new territory for both entities. So anything's good for character

652
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.960
development because I like the I don't know about I

653
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.599
don't know how it is in Northeast, but right now

654
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.519
it's fair season and circus season kicking off in the South,

655
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.759
and like like I, like you said, I can watch

656
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:47.160
great wrestling every single day, just like I could go

657
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.839
to a circus and enjoy the hell of a circus.

658
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.720
But I'm not gonna follow the circus every single week

659
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.160
just because of the performances. I need to know why

660
00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:59.519
people are doing stuff, or I need to know some

661
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.200
background story, or I need to care about the performers

662
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.799
for me to follow them. And that's why I think,

663
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.599
you know, sometimes we miss an other, you know, programming

664
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.880
is we don't. I don't know why I care. I

665
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.239
don't know why these guys were bitter rivals and now

666
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.599
they're shaking hand. I don't. I don't understand this stuff.

667
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:19.880
You kind of have to explain to me, like I'm

668
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:21.679
a four year old at times for me to go

669
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.000
Oh that makes sense. Now I know why they're doing this,

670
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.559
and that goes ties into the cinematic stuff we were

671
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.800
talking about when we can start the show. It ties

672
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.159
into why are Butcher and Shamus fighting? In like why

673
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.639
is Butch jumping Shamous again? Why is Braun? Why are

674
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.039
Bronson and Braun? I mean, are they fighting over the

675
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.199
name Braun? And why is Braun breaker not involved in

676
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.320
Bronton Reid and Braun Stroman and just have it all

677
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.440
out broad for all. I don't know I need, but

678
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.559
do you tell me why? And I go, Okay, this

679
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.199
makes sense, and now I'm gonna watch it, Like I'm

680
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.679
excited for Bronton, Reid and Braun Strowman in a last

681
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.960
man standing match because of all the stuff they've done

682
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.239
over the last few weeks, which I don't think I

683
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.079
would have given a crap about two years ago. It's

684
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.920
just they've developed these characters, so now I care that

685
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.360
they're fighting and they're brawling all over the place. I'm

686
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.960
excited for it, and I think that just shows the

687
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.159
difference between what we were getting under Vince and what

688
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:19.079
we're getting on Trileh.

689
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.039
And now I say it all the time when it

690
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:22.840
comes to WAE when it comes to aw when it

691
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.400
comes to professional wrestling as a whole. At the end

692
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.800
of the day, all I want as a fan make

693
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.760
it make sense to me, and that's what I want,

694
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.840
and that's what WWE has been doing. And I'm excited

695
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.960
for the jump for two to three hours if they

696
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.000
continue to make it make sense, and I feel like

697
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.400
I have confidence in this group that they continue will

698
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.440
they will continue to do that as time goes on.

699
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.119
When SmackDown makes that move potentially or reportedly to two

700
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.559
to three hours in January, there's one huge name on

701
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.320
the SmackDown roster right now that may or may not

702
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.599
be part of those three hours, and that is one

703
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.480
of our favorite wrestlers that we've ever covered in the

704
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.599
history of this entire podcast, and that is one Kevin Owens.

705
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.599
According to Fight Full Select via Wrestling wrestle Peris on Twitter,

706
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.280
Kevin Owens has been approached about regarding a new WE contract.

707
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.239
Aw IS expected to make Owens a big offer becomes available.

708
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.000
Kevin Owens has not yet re signed with w WEE

709
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.400
with his deal expected to expire at the end of

710
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:22.119
this year. Again, aw IS long held a major interest

711
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.000
in Owens doctor Trey. We're gonna do a little bit

712
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.559
of a contract round up here because there's the names

713
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.079
that I want to cover, Luca Bros, Daniel Garcia, Miro

714
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.159
and with w wee's methodology raise right now when it

715
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.039
comes to contracts. But starting with Kevin Owens, your thoughts

716
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.119
on the latest reports and where you think he ends

717
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.360
up in twenty twenty five.

718
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.440
Yeah, this one, it's a little tricky at times because

719
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.119
his to his best friends are wrestlers, ones in AW

720
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.400
one's in WWE. I mean, Adam Cole and Kevin Owens

721
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.599
are best friends, and so is Kevin and Sammy's ain't

722
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.159
Normally that would make it a little trickier for me

723
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.599
to pay. But I just can't see Owens looking at

724
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.119
adw and looking at all this stuff going on and going,

725
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.559
you know what, I'm better off there. I mean, we've

726
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.519
we've talked about it now with you know, it's a

727
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:16.639
lighter road schedule for WWE. It's really good pay for WWE.

728
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.599
Your best friends there, The guy running the company is

729
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.719
the guy that's handpicked you to be world champion in

730
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.360
two different brands. To me, as much of as people

731
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.599
want to make up about how much AW wants Kevin Owins.

732
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.599
I just don't see Owens leaving WWE, so I think

733
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:34.079
he stays.

734
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.400
Yeah, I think he stays as well. I think one

735
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.519
of the reasons why is it's a good time to

736
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.400
be a WWE superstar, right, I mean, if you're to

737
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.039
jump to AW, we'll get to Grant Slam here in

738
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.400
a little bit. There are some red flags about all

739
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.320
elite wrestling that are concerning if I was a professional wrestler,

740
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.000
I totally understand if you're like Mercedes Monein and you're

741
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.159
Ricochet and you want to get that opportunity to get

742
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.559
out of the WE fold and feel like what AW

743
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.039
is doing is better for you. And most certainly I

744
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.079
don't think AW is going to be in this hole

745
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.920
for the entire eternity as a brand. I think there's

746
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.480
obviously plenty of room to grow for it to succeed.

747
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.199
But if I'm Kevin Owens and I'm making a business,

748
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.360
I'm making a family decision. And we talked about the

749
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.119
reports O the last several weeks that the house show schedule,

750
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.440
the house show loops are going to be reduced. I

751
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.760
think staying in w W is the decision I would

752
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.519
want to see and as a fan of Kevin Owens,

753
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.280
I want to see him remain in W as well,

754
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:27.079
Doctor Trey.

755
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.159
I think the Kevin Owens now, if you had asked

756
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.559
me years ago, if AW was around, when you know,

757
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.960
his Ring of Honor contract was up, I would have

758
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:39.559
said Kevin Owh was a probably a better fit for

759
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.280
AW than WW. But the Kevin Owans we have now,

760
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.760
the different you know, the talker, the wrestler, the performer,

761
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.519
everything that goes into what Kevin Owens is, I think

762
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:54.000
he's better suited for WW than AW. Not to mention,

763
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.559
Triple H has selected him the NC champion. Triple H

764
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.559
pushed for him to be heavyweight champion, Like you got

765
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:05.360
to have more faith in your guy, Triple H than

766
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.239
Tony Kahn because the argument you can say Tony Cohn's

767
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.880
dropped the ball with several of your friends when they

768
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.639
made the move from WWAWS. I just think for Kevin

769
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.400
it just makes more sense to stay where he's at.

770
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.159
Yeah, it's never a slam dunk going AW. Now, then

771
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.639
you're gonna see like this massive character development. So I

772
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.880
think creatively they are very much slacking, and I would

773
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.320
want to see Kevin Owen's remain in w W versus

774
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:33.840
going to el Elite Wrestling talk about W ANDAW. There

775
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.800
were some reports out there early last week or late

776
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.079
last week that the Lucher Bros Had signed Penta and

777
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.519
Ray Phoenix had signed with W and we was starting

778
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.280
to work on merchandise for them. Those reports were refuted.

779
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.960
They are still under contract with AW, but the expectation

780
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.199
is is that they end up in WWE. This is

781
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:52.760
something that we talked about a couple of weeks ago,

782
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.239
Doctor Trey. That is the latest movement with the Lucher Bros.

783
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:58.599
I'm excited to see them come to w and see

784
00:39:58.599 --> 00:39:59.880
how w utilizes them.

785
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.800
Yeah, I'm excited for them because I do I think,

786
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:05.559
you know, it's one of the things that we've talked about.

787
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.599
I mean, God, we've been doing the show forever. You know,

788
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.760
who's the next Ray Mysterio, Who's the next Luchen Door

789
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.039
that they can really market and they can really push

790
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.679
And you know, they've they've literally thrown every lucidor at

791
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.320
us over the last decade to try and somehow fill

792
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:26.039
that that Ray Mysterio role. And correct me if I'm wrong,

793
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:30.599
But isn't Dragon Lee related to Ray Phoenix, and I

794
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.880
thought he was like brothers Rush okay, but you know,

795
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.239
he was tagging with Ray Phoenix at one point in

796
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.280
Triple A for a while because I think they won

797
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.559
the belt, and then they immediately had to strip him

798
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.519
of the belt because Dragon has signed with w W.

799
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.320
It's it's it's a weird thing, but you know, you

800
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.440
get something like like Penta who is charismatic as hell

801
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:55.880
and never really says a word except for his one

802
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.039
little catchphrase, Ray Phoenix one of the best high flyers

803
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.599
in the world. Like that's something that ww can really

804
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.480
market and really make exciting for their Latin American fan base.

805
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:11.119
I just wonder, you know, I are they gonna get

806
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.639
paired with somebody to kind of do the talking for them?

807
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:16.880
Are they gonna get you know, are they gonna get

808
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.519
paired with Santos? Are they gonna get thrown in to

809
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.360
the LWL? Are they gonna get thrown in some mixed

810
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.039
mash thing? But that's the only thing I think they

811
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.280
may need when they come to WWE. Outside of that,

812
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.719
like in ring work, character merchandise, I think they get

813
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.039
the fall package for WWE.

814
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.840
There's some concern right now in regards to Daniel garcia

815
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.760
status with AW. This comes to us from Dave Meltzer

816
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.920
via wrestler Wressell Peuris on Twitter. Quote confidence that Daniel

817
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.159
Garcia is going to resign with AW reportedly not as

818
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.199
strong as a month ago. Meltzer says, as far as

819
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.440
what's going to happen with him Daniel Garcia, I would

820
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.000
say this. I would say that this that the almost

821
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.079
serviety of the confidence, strong confidence that he was signing.

822
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.840
I wouldn't say that it's as strong. I wouldn't say

823
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.719
that he's leaving either, but it's not as strong as

824
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.039
it was a month ago, Doctor Trey. Daniel Garcia's status

825
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.119
is an interesting case because I thought he would return

826
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.360
AW based on everything that I've seen on television and

827
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.920
just I figured that AW looked at him as you know,

828
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.719
a long term investment. It seems that he is at

829
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:21.559
least interested. Talked to we as of right now as

830
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.480
we record this show, your thoughts here on where Daniel

831
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.159
Garcia potentially ends up and where do you want to

832
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:26.880
see him end up?

833
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.760
I think right now, if you're a young person in

834
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.039
AAW and you look around the wrestling world, you're like, Okay,

835
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.800
Am I really going to progress here and move up

836
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.800
the ladder? Or is ww either right fit for me?

837
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.400
The Ethan Page stuff has probably thrown a huge wrench

838
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.679
into a lot of aw's plans. And because you got

839
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:50.000
a guy like Ethan Page, who I'm not gonna say

840
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.320
he was underutilized in AEW, but you know he wasn't

841
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.800
featured very much. You know, he had some opportunities, but

842
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:58.840
then just kind of got pushed the side oft times.

843
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.280
And then now he goes to NXT and blows up.

844
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.000
If you're a Daniel Garcia and you look at that

845
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.880
and go I could do the same thing. So that's

846
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:09.599
got to throw a little bit of a wrench into

847
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.199
aw's plans because if I'm Garcia, I have to take

848
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.480
a look at that and then does my style fit

849
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.840
in what WWE does or am I better suited for AW.

850
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.039
I think they protected themselves with that booking of the

851
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.480
MJF match because MGF gets the win, Garcia kind of

852
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.519
wins the battle or the war, so to speak. Because

853
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.280
if Garcia leaves, hey, MJF still you know, beat the guy.

854
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:33.679
But if he comes back, hey, I'm the one who

855
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:38.440
put MJF on the shelf. I still think Garcia is

856
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.760
probably better suited for AEW, but you know, I wouldn't

857
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.320
be shocked if he bet on himself and went to WWE.

858
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.320
Yeah. I think it's surprising that he and AW haven't

859
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.199
come in agreement yet because I would have figured coming

860
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.000
out of all Out on this angle that they aired

861
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.760
with M Jeff that he would have capitalized on. But

862
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.000
he has not been seen since all Out, which leads

863
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.480
me to believe that there is a decent chance that

864
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:09.039
he ends up in WA. It's surprising, it really is,

865
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.840
because I think AW has done Daniel Garcia very well,

866
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.679
and I think that they would continue to do him

867
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.960
very well in the future. I think they again look

868
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.039
at him as long term investments. So this is one

869
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:24.719
of those instances where you know, I think most of

870
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.199
the time I probably would lean towards you, Dan Garcia,

871
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.960
and WWE would make a lot of sense. I actually

872
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.079
think Dan Garcia remaining in AW makes a ton of sense.

873
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.280
So I'm surprised that he isn't staying with AW as

874
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.920
of right now. And I think there's again red flags

875
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.960
there because what are we three weeks removed from all Out,

876
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.320
and again they have not capitalized on that storyline. They

877
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.199
have not even furthered it on dynamite collision or rampage,

878
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:50.480
which leads me to believe that maybe he is in

879
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.079
fact WWE bown. I think his contract comes up at

880
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:57.920
the end of October. News on the AW front. According

881
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.239
to fight Full Select Occurtesy of Wressell Puris on X,

882
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:08.079
Miro has requested his release from AAW. Miro has not

883
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.599
been used since the end of December of twenty twenty three,

884
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.159
I want to say at the World's End pay per view.

885
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.119
More on the report from fight Full Select, stating there

886
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.679
was some consideration internally to use Miro in the AW

887
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.199
All in Casino Gauntlet, and he had pitched working with

888
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.519
John Moxley earlier this year. Miro and AW were unable

889
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.280
to get on the same page creatively, something that became

890
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.119
a common occurrence for the two sides in recent years.

891
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.519
Miro came to All Lead Wrestling. Doctor Trey is somebody

892
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.440
that was being underutilized in WE as Russev. When he

893
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.360
came to AW, I really thought that this is someone

894
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.840
that would hold the AW World Championship at some point,

895
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.679
and it certainly seemed like he was being booked that

896
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.920
way and then he basically fell off the face of

897
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.639
the earth. I think he had like four matches in

898
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.360
two thousand and two. Twenty two he had just a

899
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.639
couple of matches. He had returned one collision launch in

900
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.519
twenty twenty three, and he's been nowhere to be found

901
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.119
into the twenty four I think he is under contract

902
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.519
until I think he's had like a five year extension,

903
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.360
which takes it to about twenty twenty eight or so

904
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.639
according to reports. I think it makes sense for both

905
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.719
to part at this point because it's not working for

906
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.559
either side. But when you look back at his run

907
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.559
and all elite wrestling, should it be coming to an

908
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.159
end and he becomes a free agent, this may be

909
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.639
the most disappointing of them all.

910
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.840
Yeah, as you're saying that, I was trying to think

911
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.599
of anybody else that's made the jump that's been this

912
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.440
disappointing in the sense of, you know, we all know

913
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.679
Miro Keilee, Yeah, Keith Lee probably, but like, I mean,

914
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.800
he's one of the most talented guys you know around

915
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.519
Like he's a big man that can move, he can wrestle,

916
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.039
you know, he's got some charisma. I mean, you go

917
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.840
back to when I was in New Orleans for WrestleMania

918
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:57.440
back in twenty nineteen. RUCEV Day was everywhere, like they

919
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.360
were chanting it in the streets of New or Lens

920
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.760
for WrestleMania, and you know, WW never capitalized on it,

921
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:05.920
and he made the move to AW and like you said,

922
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:07.880
we all thought he'd be, you know, a huge star,

923
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.719
a huge push, and then he comes in as the

924
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:14.000
best Man, which was the weirdest gimmick for a while.

925
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.840
But then I thought he had kind of found a

926
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.440
niche with the Redeemer gimmick. But I mean, the guy

927
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.039
hasn't wrestled a match for you in ten months. I mean,

928
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.920
and he's not injured, and you know, obviously he's not

929
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:29.960
in the best headspace because he's going he went through

930
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.159
a divorce recently. I mean, he's you gotta either just

931
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.119
go you know what, let's just cut bait. You go

932
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:37.000
your way, we'll go our way, and that way we

933
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:41.480
stop paying you. But you know, everybody expects it. If

934
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:43.280
he does get released it he might just jump right

935
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.519
to WW. That might snatch him up. But that may

936
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.719
not happen either. So I mean, he may have to

937
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.679
go the independent route for a little bit, and you know,

938
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.960
kind of you know, refined himself before he gets that

939
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:56.880
call from from Triple Hing Company.

940
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.599
Yeah, and who knows where this goes from here. There's

941
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.679
I think he's been working on television shows. I think

942
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.679
he was on like some sort of CBS trauma. I

943
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:07.679
want to say Blue Bloods, but it's like one of

944
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.960
those cop shows that he was doing. There as like

945
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.360
a like a minor character here and there. I think

946
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.840
he did a couple episodes. I don't know if he

947
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.400
necessarily has the interest or the itch to continue in

948
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:25.320
professional wrestling, and if he goes back to w WEE

949
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:28.280
is is I mean, I could see him not going

950
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:29.719
back to w W. I could see him going to

951
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:34.880
DNA or something. It's been extremely disappointing all in all.

952
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.400
I mean, his booking the Creative, there's obviously something there

953
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.280
that he and AW don't get along when it comes

954
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:44.360
to the Creative and it's on It's unsure why, because

955
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.199
I think he had the opportunity to when he came

956
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:49.320
in the company to be an AW world champion and

957
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.960
he just is not capitalized and he's been one of

958
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.159
the most disappointing. Keith Lee has been one of the

959
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:55.719
most disappointing, but I think that has a lot to

960
00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.400
do more with with injuries than anything, and we'll see

961
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.039
where things end up here. Obviously, there's been no granted

962
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.000
release from Only Wrestling to Miro since this story broke

963
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.400
late last week. The last bit of contract news, I

964
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.239
want to discuss your Doctor before we get into a

965
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.920
quick review of aw Grand Slam that took place last

966
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.559
night on the TBS network. According to Wrestling Observer newsletter

967
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.679
via Wrestle Purists on Twitter, w has started to work

968
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.960
on at least fifteen new deals for talent whose contracts

969
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.519
would be up over the next several months. That is

970
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.840
a change in contrast where a lot of contracts were

971
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:33.920
nearly coming up or came up, and WWE was like

972
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.199
trying to sign people very very quickly, whether it be

973
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.920
Becky Lynch or Chad Gable that came to mind. Now

974
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:41.400
they're trying to get ahead of it, and I think

975
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.239
some of the names I saw was like Rhea Ripley,

976
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.679
Kevin Owens obviously being one of them. This is the

977
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.239
right way of business, doctor track. I want to see

978
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.159
this roster stay intact. This has been a really good

979
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.079
roster and I can't think of anybody who's being underutilized

980
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.920
and should get that move to AW. So hopefully Dowey

981
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:00.679
is able to lock up some of these talents that

982
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.000
we've been enjoining watching on w DOETV as a plate.

983
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:09.400
Yeah, I never understood WWE's contract negotiation strategy in the past,

984
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.320
where it's like you literally hear people say like, oh no,

985
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.880
my contract's up in a month and I haven't heard

986
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.159
from them. Like that to me is a little kind

987
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:21.039
of shady and underhand, like you're trying to make the

988
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.760
talent nervous that they might not get renewed and so

989
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:26.760
that way you think they'll take the whatever deal you

990
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.000
throw at them. It does. That's not how you negotiate

991
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.239
things in modern times, and especially when you have direct

992
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:39.039
competition that can pay as well as you do. I mean,

993
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.280
if if the new TV deal comes out for AW,

994
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.039
they're gonna have a little more influx of cash so

995
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.480
they can pay as much as the competition, if not more,

996
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.400
you know, and you still have TNA that doesn't mind

997
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.000
throwing a little bit of money around if it makes

998
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.920
sense as well. I mean, just it's it's it's negotiating

999
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.079
in good faith, like hey, we like you we know

1000
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.599
your contracts coming up in six months, you know, start

1001
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.000
thinking of in the parameters of what you want, and

1002
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.000
we'll start doing the same thing, and we'll see we can't,

1003
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:06.840
you know, head this off of the path. I mean

1004
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.280
to have some be like Becky Lynch who's having a

1005
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.840
match at WrestleMania, who's contracts up right after it and

1006
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.280
you hadn't reached out. I mean, that's kind of shady

1007
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.320
for somebody that's meant so much for your company. So

1008
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.800
if they're trying to be more proactive about it going forward,

1009
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.079
I think that's a good move for the company standpoint,

1010
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:30.280
and you don't ever make somebody feel like they're unwanted,

1011
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.639
at least heading into that negotiation period.

1012
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:35.679
Yeah, this is a lot of influence, I think from

1013
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.920
AW being a very strong second to them in the

1014
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:44.679
United States for wrestling promotions, where you know, Tody, we

1015
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:51.079
would be very lazy, not give a shit about renewals,

1016
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.000
and you would hear that often from wrestlers where it

1017
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.199
would be coming up towards the end and they're like, oh, yeah,

1018
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:56.679
we got to talk about that contract and then no

1019
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.679
contract came through or somebody wasn't doing their job and

1020
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:04.360
tell relations. We should not let anybody walk to free

1021
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.119
agency without giving them an offer and starting contract negotiations.

1022
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:09.920
If as a company they want to keep those folks

1023
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:12.239
under the wa M Brella, then they should be doing

1024
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.199
everything they possibly can to keep them under that umbrella.

1025
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:20.039
One of those names was Ricochet. Ricochet was negotiate with WE.

1026
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.440
He told him that he wanted to see what a

1027
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.039
free agency world was going to be like, and they

1028
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.239
let him go in their merry way. So they even

1029
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.000
started a little bit earlier and kind of learned from

1030
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:33.400
the mistakes with Chad Gable, Becky Lynch and anybody else

1031
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.559
in the past. Remember like seeing Punk when he was

1032
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.679
on the ass with w WE for ten years, he

1033
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.440
talked about a time where he would like go up

1034
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.480
to Vince and asked about his contract and It's was like, oh, yeah,

1035
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.800
we got to talk about that, And then they never

1036
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:45.760
talked about it, and we would get closer and closer

1037
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.119
to the date where his contract was coming up, and

1038
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:49.960
then it would be rushed and then they would resign.

1039
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:51.440
I think that had a lot to do with the

1040
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.480
lack of competition. And now there's competition and the ball

1041
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.119
is in the workers court, it's in the court of

1042
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:58.800
the wrestler where it should be and give them an

1043
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:04.360
opportunity to max their earnings potential with a renegotiated or

1044
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:06.960
an extension or a new contract depending on how they

1045
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.880
are coming to a arresting promotion or staying with arrestling

1046
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.280
promotion in the future. So it's nice to see w

1047
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.199
trying to keep people under the w umbrella. Last thing

1048
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:18.679
I want to discuss here on this week's This to

1049
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:21.760
the Show, Doctor Trey is Last night was AW Grand

1050
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:27.119
Slam from Arthur Ashy Arena in Queens, New York. A

1051
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.199
couple of notes on that one. Danielson and Nigel go

1052
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.239
back into time and a very fun opener. Hook retires

1053
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:37.960
the FTW Championship. Finally, the Young Bucks, will Os Brain

1054
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:42.119
Kyle Fletcher put on a tag team clinic. MVP Monteal

1055
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:47.039
Montel Vontavius Porter is all Elite that John Moxley defeats

1056
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:50.440
Darby Allen for an AW World Championship Championship shot at

1057
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.920
Russell Dream he will take on Brian Danielson. Those were coming.

1058
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.400
The couple of the news and notes from that one,

1059
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.000
Doctor Trey Murah main Yukaza Kazaki did not have a

1060
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:02.119
great match that was not a fun segment overall. Did

1061
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:03.960
you get into opportunity to watch Grant Slam and what

1062
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.079
were some of your takeaways?

1063
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.559
Yeah? I watched a lot of it, you know obviously,

1064
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:10.639
and you know this now and having when you have

1065
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.280
a small child or my kids and toddler running around

1066
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.000
the house and does kind of throw up things out

1067
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:18.760
of whack and inside out too. Came out on Disney Plus,

1068
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.400
so I had to battle Sammy Franklin on what we

1069
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:25.639
were actually gonna watch last night. They still did not

1070
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.960
really sell me on why Brian Daniels and wrestle Look

1071
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.360
Brian answer Nigel Againess, that was great. I loved it.

1072
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.880
It was very throwback for me, very nostalgic, and it

1073
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.960
showed Nigel could still go great. Still did explain to

1074
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.800
me why Brian Danielson is okay to wrestle Nigel but

1075
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:44.199
couldn't wrestle Darby still have explained that to me. But

1076
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.719
it is what it is. We're getting Brian and and

1077
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:51.199
Moxley of all the people to come out for the

1078
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.360
save though, to kind of help help hold off the

1079
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.800
BCC it's private party and Commander to come out to

1080
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.840
take on Pop and Claudio and mocks like. I was like, really,

1081
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.320
that's that's the best baby Faces. We got to kind

1082
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.280
of stand down the BCC and their terror that they've

1083
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.079
been running ramp it through. Okay, seems kind of weak

1084
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.280
to me, but uh, the matches themselves. All the matches

1085
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.360
were pretty great, except for the Maria may match, Like

1086
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.000
that's yeah, that or not the work, yeah that, It

1087
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.599
just wasn't good. Overall. It was a fun show, But

1088
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.119
this is what we talk about. There's there's loose ends

1089
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.760
that don't make sense to me that they don't explain,

1090
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.960
Like why did Rodert Strong shake Hook's hand after the match?

1091
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.800
I don't get those things. They don't make sense to me,

1092
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.119
and that's why I get frustrated with the show. Time.

1093
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:42.960
The n ring work you can watch all day long.

1094
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:48.800
But if you're constantly attacking somebody in jumping and being

1095
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.519
really shade and underhanded and then you shake his hand

1096
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.199
after the match, I don't get that stuff. It just

1097
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.559
it boggles my mind. Shake his hand backstage with nobody's looking,

1098
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:02.039
but otherwise roll out of the rings, slink to the back,

1099
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.360
let Hook retire the FTW title to his dad. That

1100
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.320
was a great little moment. Some of the stuff they

1101
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.199
do just doesn't make sense to me, and then I

1102
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:14.719
get frustrated. So Bell de Bell hardly any big and

1103
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:18.000
touch aw, it's just the little stuff that I watched

1104
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:19.119
that just drives me nuts.

1105
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.639
So I will defend the Private Party Commander stuff because

1106
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:25.679
there is an angle that led to that. Right, they

1107
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.639
were attacked and then they took out Isaiah Cassidy's hand.

1108
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.880
But I'm with you, is there not a bigger group,

1109
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.800
maybe the Bang Bang Gang House of Black that they

1110
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:36.920
could have gone to rather than Private Party and Commander.

1111
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.840
Yeah, no, I get that there was a storyline there

1112
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.159
at least, but Private Party hasn't won, has won like

1113
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.320
what three matches in the last two years.

1114
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:47.440
They're a great tack team.

1115
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.000
They are fun tag team watch. I mean I've watched

1116
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.039
them since they were in cz I saw them live

1117
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.320
in CZW against Santana and Ortiz like eight years ago.

1118
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:02.360
Like they're great talents. They just the book poorly. Commander's

1119
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.559
been lost for like four months. I mean they have him. Hell,

1120
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:10.880
they beat up Alex Abraham or Alex I can't pronounce. Yes,

1121
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.079
they beat him up a couple weeks ago, and it's

1122
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.679
like cool, I get you're trying to get revenge, but

1123
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.000
you guys got the ever loving crap beat out of you,

1124
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:25.320
and you're the ones who jumped the BCC before you

1125
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.800
got beat up, So to come out to try to

1126
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.840
run them off makes zero sense to me, because why

1127
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.400
would the BCC be afraid of Private Party and commander

1128
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.320
in that moment we just beat the crap out of

1129
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:41.840
them after they jumped us. Yeah, it doesn't make sense

1130
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.559
in that situation to have them come in for the

1131
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:51.719
backup to Danielson. So it's the little stuff like that

1132
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:56.199
that as a longtime wrestling fan just irks me that

1133
00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:59.840
I'm like, yeah, in that moment, great, I get it.

1134
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.719
I mean, and they're and they're you know, Private Party's

1135
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.360
New York kids, so in you know, in Long Island,

1136
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:09.880
I get the moment. But use House of Black, or

1137
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:12.679
use somebody else that has a little bit of interaction

1138
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.079
with BCC or has had some kind of rivalry at

1139
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.880
times with them that maybe is higher on that pecking

1140
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:22.000
order to make sense, and then have Private Party upset

1141
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:26.400
BCC on Dynamite to get a little credibility too. Then

1142
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.199
if you want to circle back to it, then it works.

1143
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.760
Yeah, I wonder if that's like Tony complaining to the

1144
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.159
hometown crowd, since Private Party is is the local crew

1145
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:42.079
the roder Strong hook stuff. I'm I can totally understand

1146
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.440
that based on the history of Aw's booking. I'm wondering

1147
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.199
if that is the beginning of something rather than the

1148
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.760
end of something. If that makes sense, Doctor Trey from

1149
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.679
a storyline standpoint, is.

1150
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.360
The Undisputed Kingdom finally broken up? I mean the knee entry,

1151
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.679
Tavin and Bennett just lost in to Guevara and Rhodes.

1152
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:05.880
It's just once again like you've been a shitty heel

1153
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.239
for a year, You've been doing shitty things to Hook

1154
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.679
and then you shake his hand after the match. Are

1155
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:13.639
you just giving up on being shitty? Are you? Are

1156
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.440
you mad that your wife's in a better spot right

1157
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:16.039
now that you want.

1158
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.920
I'm upset with Grand Slam where they dumped out of

1159
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:25.800
Nigel saying thank you to Brian Danielson, which even on

1160
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:27.880
I thought there was gonna be a replay of it

1161
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.159
on social media, maybe on the YouTube. I have not

1162
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.519
checked out the YouTube, but even on a replay on

1163
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:34.199
social media, I saw that they dumped out of that.

1164
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.519
So the person that with the dump button must have

1165
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.599
thought he was saying fuck you to Brian Dad like

1166
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:43.039
completely the whole point of that segment got dumped out.

1167
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.639
I mean, that is awful. Thank god. The commentators like,

1168
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.159
I can't you know he said thank you? I have

1169
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.159
no idea if they even know it got dumped out.

1170
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.320
That really sucked from that standpoint, but man Nigel could

1171
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.800
still go that was really cool. The big thing here,

1172
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.639
Doctor Trey, that I noticed, and this goes back to

1173
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.039
a conversation on last week's show AW. Grand Slam's attendance

1174
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:12.760
was significantly and noticeably down from previous editions of Grand Slam.

1175
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:16.800
In twenty twenty one, they had twenty thousand, one hundred

1176
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.800
and seventy seven, which I believe is still it may

1177
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:24.159
have been broke broken by the first dance when Sampunk

1178
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:26.880
went on rampage. I still think that's like the one

1179
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:29.840
of the highest attended television shows, if not the highest

1180
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.320
television attended show for a dynamite collision, rampage whatever in

1181
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.119
history of AW. In twenty twenty two, it dropt from

1182
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.320
one hundred and seventy seven twenty one to twenty two.

1183
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.639
It was the thirteen thousand, eight hundred, so pretty strong.

1184
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:46.440
Last year eleven thousand. Even I guess there was no

1185
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:49.199
eleven thousand and one or two. That's what the tracking

1186
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.480
that I found this year. According to Russell Tics, on

1187
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:57.679
X eight thousand, one hundred and ninety one attended a

1188
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.519
Grand Slam, so it's been a drop of twelve thousand.

1189
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:05.239
Aw Grand Slam was always noticeably one of the highest

1190
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.400
viewer shows attended by All Elite Wrestling, but it was

1191
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.519
very easy to tell that they blacked out a lot

1192
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:18.159
of that arena. They had the normal Dynamite set. They

1193
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:20.920
didn't even have the set where it has like the

1194
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.280
entrance way where it's also an LED screen, which they

1195
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:25.880
would do for some big shows that they would do

1196
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.239
for Dynamite. You know, go back to when Adam Cole

1197
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.599
would jumped off the stage and broke his freaking ankle

1198
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.159
and he's been out for an entire year. It was

1199
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.039
just really noticeable that it was not the crowd that

1200
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.000
we're accustomed to for that show, and that made me sad.

1201
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.280
I didn't take a victory lab for All Elait Wrestling.

1202
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:44.880
It just made me sad. And that's something I noticed

1203
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:46.320
the entire time. I was like, Man, I wonder how

1204
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.719
the show's got to come off and look, and it

1205
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:53.119
was like, oh, man, this is there are some attendance concerns,

1206
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:56.320
and eight thousand is still very strong for a show,

1207
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.559
but man, when you were packing in twenty thousand people

1208
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.840
three years years ago, thirteen thousand two years ago, eleven

1209
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:06.239
thousand a year ago, it's like, Ugh, this decline is concerning.

1210
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.719
And I believe they sold like two thousand tickets over

1211
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:10.800
the last week or so, so they were looking at

1212
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.960
potentially six thousand people up until about a week ago,

1213
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.960
Doctor Trey, Did you notice those attendants issues that I

1214
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:18.960
pointed out as well?

1215
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.320
Yeah, I mean, and also just the energy from the

1216
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.599
crowd hasn't been where it's been the last couple of years.

1217
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:28.039
I mean even last year eleven thousand, the crowd seemed

1218
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.280
pretty hot. This year, the crowd just kind of seemed like,

1219
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.000
I don't want to say polite, but it's almost like

1220
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.920
watching a tennis show in Arthur, Ash. It was like, yeah,

1221
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.519
it was nice, Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was

1222
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.000
like it was almost like polite at times, but just

1223
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:46.320
the energy wasn't there. And sometimes you can watch a

1224
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.239
show and kind of get a vibe, not just from

1225
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.400
the crowd, but from the performers as well as like

1226
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:54.280
I don't want to say they were going through the motions,

1227
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.280
but you don't feel that same energy on a dynamite

1228
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.920
that maybe you did two years ago, three years ago,

1229
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.079
Like it just isn't there right now, and and part

1230
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.360
of that is that crowd energy is not there, so

1231
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.800
that crowd makes you more amped up. Like look, I

1232
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.360
I literally did a show Friday night. By by the

1233
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.159
time we were in the main event, twenty five people

1234
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:18.639
were left, but it was allowed twenty five people, so

1235
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:20.199
we were amped up for it. And I've been in

1236
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:23.400
shows where it's three hundred in a small venue and

1237
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:26.119
they're just like sitting on their hands, and you're just like, man,

1238
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.239
I just I don't feel the energy is hard to

1239
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.559
get amped up for it, So you know, it does

1240
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.800
kind of the energy does sell through television, and just

1241
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.480
right now, it just kind of feels like, I don't know,

1242
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:42.840
like they're treading water or they're not like somebody's like

1243
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.199
just got diagnosed with a bad illness. Like it just

1244
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:49.320
feels kind of eh and blaw at times. Like I said,

1245
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.159
the matches are great, like Bell, the Bell is grave.

1246
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.719
It's just the energy of the shows right now just

1247
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.760
kind of feels blah across the board for AW.

1248
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:02.960
It's so inconsistent. There's no consistency from like year to year.

1249
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:07.159
Here great stretch from March to going into All Out

1250
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.039
in London and then All In was thrown together, and

1251
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.760
I just feel like the last five weeks have been

1252
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:18.639
kind of meh outside the Moxley stuff, So it's concerning.

1253
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:20.960
It was very noticeable and I was hoping for a

1254
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.679
bigger craft for AW. Grand Slam eight thousand still something

1255
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.079
that's very, very good. But I want to go back

1256
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.280
to those days where it was twenty thousand people packing

1257
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.079
Arthur to Ashley for Grand Slam because that was a

1258
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.960
really really fun show, great crowd, great energy, and overall

1259
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:37.360
fun times for all lead wrestling. That'll do it for

1260
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.159
this week's edition of the podcast. Let's get a couple

1261
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:41.119
of plugs and sponsors. Either way, you could down the

1262
01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:43.480
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1263
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.159
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01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.880
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01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.800
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01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.440
individually on X for myself at SRTU Jeff, and for

1267
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.000
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01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.000
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1269
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:01.039
With that being said, what's going on in the one

1270
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:02.920
for world of doct Trey Franklin this week?

1271
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:05.559
Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on X

1272
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:08.199
at the Doctor Trey. You can find me on Instagram

1273
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.280
and Facebook. Just check out Doctor Trey Franklin. When you're

1274
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:14.880
on Facebook, be sure to check out Spartan Championship Wrestling,

1275
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.880
where I will be performing at tomorrow night. You can

1276
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.360
check out Game Time Championship Wrestling where I was at

1277
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.440
last Friday, and of course Rocket City Championship Wrestling where

1278
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.199
I was at last Saturday. All three shows are running

1279
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.559
in the lovely state of Alabama that is bracing for

1280
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.719
the backside of Hurricane Helene. So hey, it's only our

1281
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:34.960
second hurricane in three weeks. Jeff, We're on a roll

1282
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:38.199
here right now. I kind of feel like I moved

1283
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:41.400
to Florida and nobody told me. But all these shows

1284
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:43.119
are up and running. But go ahead and check out

1285
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:46.159
your local independent wrestling shows so you can find out

1286
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:47.199
where Miro will get booked.

1287
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:49.239
Next go out there and support all the great things

1288
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.280
that support the Starle Realta show. For those in the

1289
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.960
path of the hurricane here in the United States. Stay safe,

1290
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.239
Doctor Trey, you stay safe, your family stay safe. And

1291
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.880
until next week, when we look back at five years

1292
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.840
of aw Dynamite and Previeum predicted we bad blood for

1293
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:07.400
Doctor try Franklin. I am Jeff Pack. This is the

1294
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:08.280
start of the show.