Aug. 17, 2023
C-M-F-T-DRAMA | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #705 – 8/17/23
On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show, Jeff & Dr. Trey Franklin:
- -- Discuss the latest CM Punk drama and controversy in AEW!
- -- React to the latest development in the Jey Uso and Bloodline storylines!
- -- And is Shinsuke Nakamura the...
On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show, Jeff & Dr. Trey Franklin:
- -- Discuss the latest CM Punk drama and controversy in AEW!
- -- React to the latest development in the Jey Uso and Bloodline storylines!
- -- And is Shinsuke Nakamura the right challenger to face Seth "Freakin" Rollins next?
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It's stupid up. Welcome everybody.
Welcome to this week's EDI and this st
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realto Show, episode number seven hundred
and five for August seventeen, twenty twenty
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three. Welcome to this week's edition
of ass R to You. I am
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one after show. I am Jeff
Peck joined every single week front Go soone
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only Dtor Trey Franklin Doctor Trey.
Rememberin I said that there was no drama
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going on in a w my friend
wait, im my fan room. Collision
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Now, yeah, I think so. I think they may have just sent
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doctor Trey home, and by the
end of this episode, they may be
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sending me home. Welcome to this
week's edition of sr tu H. It
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was within the last month I felt
like that we spoke about see him Punk.
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He seemed rejuvenated. We didn't hear
any bad stories. Maybe it leads
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to them feuding with the elite.
And then Collision happened on Saturday. Tons
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of cmpunk. Drama and controversy has
come off of this past week's edition of
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Collision, and it didn't even air
on television. It's what it took place.
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After the camera stop rolling as cmpunk
cut a promo after Collision, going
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off the air taking shots at Hangman
Page. That wasn't approved by aw nor
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was it a quote work Sampunk took
shots at Hangman page for merchandise sales,
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toy sales. It was a very
weird line and segment on paragraph that he
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went off on about Hangman Page.
I gotta be honest, came out of
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nowhere. Seemed very desperate, and
it appears that it opened up the floodgates
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Doctor Trey to a whole bunch of
stuff which I spent a good portion of
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the afternoon preparing for this week position
the podcast timelining everything. So I'm going
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to get to the floodgates. But
the initial, I guess pipe bomb that
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set it all off was Cmpunk's weird
after show promo on Hangman Page. It
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just seemed unnecessary. Yeah. The
funny thing is so like, you know,
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pull back the card. We're actually
recording on Wednesday. Do you know
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where Dynamite is tonight? No?
I don't actually Huntsville, Alabama. Wow,
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Doctor Trey Man, you missed out, Bud, I know, I
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know. And then when my buddy's
just texted me, he was like,
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Hey, they're about to ring the
bell, and I'm like Yeah, they'll
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lake slap on the ring bell,
so don't worry about it, You'll hear
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it. But are we really surprised
about I mean, hey, I'm not
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really surprised about drama from AW and
B really not surprised that it's circling around
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cmpunk, because the amazing thing is
is that, you know, you and
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I have been doing this show for
a very very long time. We have
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been fans of cmpunk the performer for
longer than this show has been on the
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air, and it just seems like
that the last decade that just drama kind
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of follows him. And you know, he's arguably the biggest name in AW
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and he's kind of the lightning rod. So if he does something, we're
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gonna hear about it, because I
mean, really, before a couple of
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days ago, he had anybody really
heard of Nick Nemuth before a couple of
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days ago, Ryan, Ryan that
Nick is actually Dolph Siegler. Oh yeah,
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my bad seat that just she goes
to show you remember NICKI Nicky.
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Yes, it's only because I also
saw him on being the Elite the other
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day, so that was on being
the Elite. Yeah, but you know,
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we hear these stories and it's like
everything that he does is going to
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come out in the news and whether
it's good or a bad and different.
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But the promos he's been cutting over
the last two years, some have been
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really really good and some have been
kind of weird and awkward, And this
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is kind of falls in that.
All Right, we're taking shots to the
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guy that was thinking shots at about
merch sale and toy sales and just random
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stuff like, is really anybody in
AW killing it in toy sales? Is
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anybody killing it in merch sales?
Like it's it's a different animal to be
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in the AW merch bubble than the
WW merch bubble. So like it was
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just it was unnecessary and I felt
like he did it just to get a
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reaction from the crowd. Yeah.
I mean there's definitely more to that,
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and we'll get to that here in
the timeline of events. So this off
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air promo about hanging out and page
that wasn't approved by AW was not a
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work happened, and then it just
felt like anybody that was in AW that
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was withholding information or dirt on cmpun
because they just wanted things to be okay
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and just move past what happened from
all out decided to like let every outlet
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know what was going on. So
I'm going to go through this timeline,
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Doctor Trey. At any point that
I go through this, if you want
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to stop and discuss the particular,
you know, part of this story here,
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let's get into it. I mean, there are a lot of parts
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here, and this has probably going
to dominate most of the podcasts here.
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But it's such a huge story this
week that's like mind boggling that it's it's
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it's happening again. This is where
SRTU becomes srt U m Z. So
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we're back at it again. So
following the promo, I think it was
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like literally the next day, stories
come out following that. Ryan Nemth,
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Matt Hardy, and Christopher Daniels have
all been sent home from Collision tapings due
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to see Him Punk. At this
point, Punk and Nemth had tension due
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to Nema's tweet calling cempunk quote literally
the softest man alive during his return promo
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on the first episode of Collision.
Punk and Nemath talked it out at the
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Collision taping, but Punk perceived nemothist
during the pot in the locker room Nematha
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Punk shook hands, but there were
still tension. Nemath is featured on BT
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being the Elite regularly, and Punk
confirmed Nemoth was sent home as per his
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call. Heman Page was flown in
for Collision to do a pretape interview for
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Wednesday's Dynamite, but when he got
there he was told that they would have
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to do it away from the venue
and not to go to the show.
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The belief is this was not Punk's
call, but management's call after what happened
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to Nemoth Earlier that day, Matt
Hardy was sent home due to his relationship
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with the Elite. It was perceived
Isaiah Cassidy was a casually of Hardy being
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sent home as well. Punk reportedly
said that was not his call. So
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there's really no reason right now why
Matt Hardy and Isaiah Cassidy were sent home,
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but Punk is saying that that was
not his call or people close to
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Punk. Christopher Daniels was sent home
because of his involvement from brawl Out.
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He is the head of talent relations
for a W since Ace Steele was also
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involved and not allowed to return backstage. Punk felt the same about Christopher Daniels.
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Punk reportedly said that Daniels being removed
was his call. Tonykh is still
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a big fan of seampunk and sees
him as an integral part of the company's
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business strategy. There was a report
that after Punk walked through the Current after
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his Collision return promo, Cohn was
standing up chanting sampunk in Guerrilla kind of
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Weird. It was reported that Punk's
post Collision promo on Adam Page did not
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come across how he would have liked
and felt bad afterwards. Punk reportedly personally
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apologized to Page by text message and
took shots so that there is a possibility
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to feud with the elite in the
future, so he took shots during that
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return promo to open up the door
to feud with them. Punk shots at
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Page reportedly quote an attempt to do
a comedy line that backfired. Fightful Select
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report that Punk recently gotten into an
argument with jungle Boy Jack Perry as well.
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Per the report, Punk took issue
with a spot that Perry planned on
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performing during an early episode of Collision, which took place during Aw's tour of
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Canada. Apparently, Perry wanted to
use real glass and a backstage segment and
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Punk immediately pushed back against the idea
as it was a safety hazard. The
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article also states that Tony Schivanni and
others objected to Perry using glass. The
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exchange led to an argument between Punk
and Perry, with the latter reportedly upset
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about his plans being knicks. Afterward, the company reportedly initiated guidelines to ensure
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that no performer used real glass without
receiving permission from the office beforehand, which
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is a story that we heard about
like four or five weeks ago. Now
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we know why. Furthermore, Punk
reportedly told Perry that Collision doesn't have segments
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of that ilk and invites him to
stay on aw Dynamite if you had a
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problem with it. Well. Many
people in the locker room describe the situation
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as an argument between the pair.
Punk side claimed that Perry threw a tantrum.
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All in all, though most people
agreed with Punk, as Perry's planned
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glass segment was objected to buy doctors
and others. The belief backstage at Aws
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that this entire situation needs to be
nipped in the bud right now, or
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it's going to be a giant,
terrible explosion. As per Dave Meltzer,
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So why is aw doing this.
They are doing everything they can to keep
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him happy, Dave Meltzer said,
and then Russell observe a radio show because
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quote, when you are a draw
in this business and they feel he is
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in dispensable, we're close to indispensable. They allow him to do this because
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they are trying to launch this show
Collision on Saturday, and the feeling is
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obviously that having him is more important
than having a situation where the head of
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talent relations can go to a show. Christopher Daniels obviously was again reportedly told
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to leave the lead's Collision taping at
Punk's requests. More quotes, They feel
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that it's more important to keep seeing
Punk happy because of the attempt to launch
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on Saturday. The top draws will
always have that power. And it's a
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unique situation because of the feeling that
they're trying to get this big giant television
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deal and the Saturday shows are very, very important. They COLLETI believe that
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he needs to be on Saturday's show
or there's a great chance that the show
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will do lower numbers, and in
the long run, those lower numbers will
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mean less money when they do the
new TV contract nual, the expense of
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the locker room and everything else,
So that's the basic situation end quote.
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Meanwhile, Meltzer suggests that something else
happened between Punk and Ryan Nemoth, who
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was also reportedly removed from Saturday's collision, as we discussed earlier, outside of
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their alleged backstage confrontation in June Didially, Meltzer said that Punk has the power
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although it's not written to kick people
out of events, and then awco Tony
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Kahn gave him that ability. Lastly, Fightful Select reports that Steel A Steel
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recently met with AW president Tony Kann
about returning to wrestling in some capacity.
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Steel is still employed with a DOOT
but isn't permitted to attend shows due to
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being an insurance risk. Steel's reportedly
back in AW but is not on the
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road and is allowed to seek work
elsewhere as his contract with AWS up in
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twenty twenty four. The report mentions, but doesn't outright confirm, that Steele
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may have received back pay for the
time he was out following the altercation.
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Steele's role is reportedly focused primarily on
suggestions for creative regarding CM Punk Doctor Trey.
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That is, everything I think I
could capture from the CMFT drama that
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took place over the last four or
five days in aw your thoughts. So,
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so, you know, do you
remember the from a couple of years
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ago when we had the discussion about
you know, the EVPs or ny I
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was kind of stripping some powers away
from the EVP and you know, the
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buck stops with me and I make
all the decisions. And we heard that,
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we heard that. It doesn't feel
like that's the case anymore. It
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feels like Tony's running Collision. I
mean, Tony's running Dynamite and Punk is
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running Collision like they've it feels like
I would say, is running Dynamite.
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Well, but and the rest of
the roster. Yeah, but the booking
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decisions are from Tony Kahn. That
was what it was. That's what was
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said by melting the past. And
now you look at Collision the booking powers
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with them Punk. If he doesn't
want somebody on that show, he's gonna
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send them home. And it now
sending Ryan Nemath home because you don't really
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get along with them that well,
not a huge blow like Ryan's Ryan's a
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good wrestler, but he's not you
know, top of the pecking order,
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so to speak. But when you
said to Matt Hardy at home, that's
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going to get some attention. Now
it may have been its called, it
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may not have been his call,
you know, sending home the head of
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talent relations, Well, like,
does that mean just to clarify there,
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because it does get lost in the
shuffle of everything that I just went through.
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Punk is saying that he did not
send Matt Hardy home. Yes,
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that's why. That's why I say
whether he did or not, you know,
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because Matt Hardy still very popular among
fans. I would say to defend
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Punk. I mean Punk, If
if him or close to him is saying
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like, this is who he sent
home, this is who he didn't send
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home. If he's owning some of
those, I don't think we can say
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personally speaking that it may he may
or may not have sent Matt Hardy home,
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you know what I mean. So
we'll take Matt Hardy out of the
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equation, you know. But but
still to send Now, once again,
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I know Chris Rodaniels was the head
of talent Relations, but then I think
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Chiovanni's the assistant head or co head. I'm not really dynamic, but they're
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both in talent relations. Yeah,
but to send the perceives head of talent
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relations home from an aid you show
is a ballsy and b shows that punk
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has more stroke than management. Like
that is crazy to me. So I'm
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like that blew me away now arguing
a jungle with Jack Perry not surprising.
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Two different trains of thought, two
different schools of thought, and you know,
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the veterans, the doctors, Chiovanni, every else goes, yeah,
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we don't want to use real glass
here. Do you not remember, like
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I was gonna say, do you
remember having to Bill Goldberg smashing in a
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car window? But then again,
I don't know Jack Perry was alive when
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Goldberg smashed in the car window and
seven and Artery in his arm, I
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don't think. Yeah, so that's
just like a long standing rule for the
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last like twenty five years. And
hell, he might have been in the
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womb or he was he was he
was born in ninety seven, Jack Perry,
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Yeah, so he's like a year
old when that happened. But that's
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why we really haven't done that in
the last twenty some odd years. So
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I could understand and there being a
battle, and honestly, I can totally
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see Jack Perry three at temperate tantrum, Like that's not shocking to me,
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but it does. It does feel
odd that some of this stuff happened in
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June. Some of this stuff happened, you know, before the promo.
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It didn't come out, but it
kind of feels like, you know,
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Punk did something, Oh I gotta
go tattle on him. It feels like,
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you know, it's it's one of
those things where like, oh,
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I'm mad at him. I need
to go tattle on him for all this
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little stuff he did. So,
I mean some of the stuff I understand,
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some of why I don't understand,
but you know, the like like
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he were saying earlier about like Punk
has that authority because he's a top draw.
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We used it a story last week
on Roman Reigns has say so over
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who beats him for a belt,
Like, if you're a draw, you
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get special privileges. And it's been
that way throughout the history of wrestling,
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whether it's you know, Brett Hart
not wanted to drop the the title of
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Shawn Michaels in Canada and try to
drop at the Shamrock or Undertaker, whether
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it's Hogan pushing people down player pushing
people down. Bruno like, if you're
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the top guy, you do get
these special treatments. And that's just the
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way society is. I mean,
we've all worked for companies where the best
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sales guys make the most money and
get the most leeway, and the guys
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who aren't as good are micromanaged.
I mean that's the nature of business as
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a whole that gets so to speak. I think to me, the biggest
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thing is is this is obviously bubbled
back up again again. I mean I'll
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reiterate like, we've heard nothing we
talked about on this podcast. We've heard
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nothing since Punk return. It seemed
like all was well in aw If this
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crew was doing their thing on Saturday
and this crew is doing their things on
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Wednesday and it's equally harmony and good
creative content that's being portrayed on the shows
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on Wednesday and Saturday and carries over
to the pay per view, then we
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as Rustling fans are here for it. But the promo happens, all these
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stories start coming out and it does
not paint seampunk in a good light.
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It also does not paint Tony Khan
in a good light. There's a perception
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let's just say it right. There's
a perception that Tony Khan can be very
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markish at times, comes off as
as a mark and there's the story that
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he was chanting for punk. Whether
it's true or not is here nor there.
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But I mean he has basically allowed
Seampunk to, you know, dictate
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what the company is doing to a
degree, and I don't I don't know
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if that's the right decision. There
have been times in wrestling where performers have
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been allowed to do things that have
gone beyond what most are allowed to do.
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And I immediately think of the stories
that you hear about with the Click
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and Sean Michaels and Jitzickmann from you
know, ninety five to ninety seven ninety
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eight, that like they were in
his ear and they had a real powerful
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voice in the behind the scenes area
where people weren't getting pushed, people weren't
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getting opportunities in the main event.
And it's reminiscent of that, and that
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was a very vulnerable time for WWE. As business got better and they had
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Steve Aust and the Rock and the
Attitude era, you never heard of these
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stories ever. Again, there's always
been stories about Triple H holding people down.
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There's been stories about John Cena holding
people down. Never really anything about
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Roman reigns, but it's you know, we hear it from time to time,
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but never to this degree. I
think that is the big part of
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the story is that in aw's own
internal eyes and Tony Kahn's eyes at his
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company year number four, it'll be
four years of dynamite in eight weeks from
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now, less than eight weeks from
now, that they are vulnerable. They
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are a vulnerable company. They're heading
into a show that will have a gate
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of probably over eighty thousand people,
which is a huge accomplimentshion for them.
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I don't know why they feel like
they're vulnerable, but they feel like since
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this brawl out situation has happened,
that they need sempunk on the roster,
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that they need cmpunk representing AW.
I don't know nor think cempunk has a
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backup plan if AW doesn't work out. I don't know if WW would welcome
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and back with open arms. You
know, we heard the story a couple
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of months ago that he went to
WWE's raw in Chicago and said hi to
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some people and made amend's specifically the
folks like them is believe that he had
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a conversation with Triple H. What
that entailed, what we won't know,
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But I mean that to me is
the biggest thing of this all, Doctor
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Tree, is that internally Awver views
themselves as vulnerable. Tony Kahn, as
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the leader, views himself as vulnerable
based on the decisions that he's allowing to
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happen from one talent. Internally in
aw it's upsetting part of the roster and
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this will not create a good working
environment again. And it's just like one
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of the things that I read,
it's a powder keg and if it's not
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nipped in the bud, and I
don't know how you nip it in the
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bud. At this point, it's
going to be one big explosion. And
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I know there's a lot of negativity
towards see him Punk right now, but
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I think that something that should not
be lost in this all is that Punk
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wants to work with the elite.
He wants to put this behind them.
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He wants to put this as a
money maker and that would in turn make
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aw better and a creative program that
people are going to tune into it because
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controversy creates cash. Is it that
bad that the elite's like, no,
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fuck this guy, we don't want
to work with him. It's it's a
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slew of different ranges of an emotions
here, doctor Try. I mean,
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this is again opening up old wounds, and it's very very strange that this
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amount of stuff is taking place in
aw right now. So you know a
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couple of things you know you mentioned
earlier. Tony kN comes off as markish
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and you can look at the four
years of this company and see that,
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like he has a shiny new toy
fetish and it's year one the elite and
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Cody whatever they say is what we
do. Year two you get Jericho and
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Moxley. And guess what Jericho and
Moxley were everywhere last year. It was
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you know when Brian Danielson came over
and Adam Cole, they were there everywhere.
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And then now it's to see him
punks show. It's like he does
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kind of get behind whatever. Like
I said, a shiny new toy he
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gets and I'm sure like if you
know, I don't know, I'm trying
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to throw a name at the wall
from w B High End. Like let's
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say seth Rawlins came available and somehow
Tony gone made him offer he couldn't refuse.
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Guess what it'd be the seth Rawlins
show. It's the new show.
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It's a new toy mentality, like
I'm gonna play with this until I get
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bored with it, move on the
next thing. The problem that happens is,
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for one, the direction of the
company constantly changes, so you don't
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create any stability because year one,
you know you and I say, here,
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it's like the Super Indie Show.
And year two it was kind of
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like, oh, look at all
these x WWE guys coming in, whether
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it's Andrada or Miro or Alis or
Black or whoever it was. And then
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year three it's like, oh my
god, the technical wrestling show. Like
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this, the wrestling is really really
great. And then now it's kind of
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like, okay, well we have
one show that's super Indie Show, and
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then we have other one that's kind
of the more traditional show. Like you
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kind of almost know don't know what
you're getting from one show to the next,
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like there's no consistency, and maybe
that's by design. Maybe back at
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they're looking back at the old days
of ww and some people loved raw for
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the storylines and all that stuff.
People love smacked down for the work rate,
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but it just kind of creates instability
everywhere. And I think now the
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wrestlers are really starting to where Tony
Kant's been their buddy, their pal,
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until hey, they show a new
toy doesn't like me. Now I'm not
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on shows, now, I'm not
working events. Now I'm just kind of
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stagging it, bouncing around. And
that's why you starting to hear these little
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rumors about people losing faith in Tony
Khn as well. And I don't know
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if vulnerable is the right word,
but it does kind of feel like they're
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on I don't want to say fit, but like they're on a teeter totter,
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like if you're selling out Wembley saing
or you putting eighty thousand people in
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Wembley stating you're not vulnerable to like
a takeover or something, but you could
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lose the locker room, or you
could lose half the locker room, or
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maybe you already have, Like how
can you play both sides of the coin
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and you go back to brawl out
And when everything first happened, that's one
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of things I said, like how
can you sit there and here Sam Punk
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say these things about the elite and
not stop him, not shut him up,
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but just nod your head like you're
in agreement. Then when something happens
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you take the other sides point of
view. It's like you're you're just trying
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to play both sides of the card. And that's not strong leadership. That's
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you know, non confrontational, passive
friend buddy, that's hanging out with you,
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just trying to be part of the
it crowds, so to speak.
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Now, we obviously don't know the
full story, and it's always possible with
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these types of reports that this is
loosely based and there may be some irregular,
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irregulartees that did not actually take place. I mean, I think we'd
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have to say that and say that
this is not gospel concrete, this is
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how it all worked out unless things
are confirmed which punk or as people have
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done and what have you. But
there may be some things with that said.
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You know, the elite just resigned
with the company for like three,
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four or five years whatever it is. It's a long term contract extension.
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This is all going on. Why
in the hell would you want to work
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for this company? I mean,
this is wild because Tony Khan is siding
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with punk and letting him do whatever
he wants. According to these reports and
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the belief of what we're seeing,
why would you want to work with somebody
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work for somebody like that, and
who is siding with someone that started a
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fight with you publicly and privately that
was basically done out in the public,
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even though they're not allowed to talk
about anything, like, how would you
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why would you want to stay in
this atmosphere? I don't. I don't
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get this, Like this is so
bizarre to me that people want to work
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at this company with this ship going
on. So think of everybody who's resigned
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recently, and the number one thing
they say is the schedule. If I
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don't have to work as hard and
I can make almost as much money not
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working as hard as the guy that
works for the company across the streets,
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yeah I'll stay here. It's work
smarter, not harder. You know.
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It's like, yeah, am I
going to get all the money that you
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know Cody getting or somebody else getting. No? But do I have to
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be on the road two hundred and
eighty five days a year. No?
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I only got to show up twice
a week. And maybe if I want
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to go work a house show,
maybe I worked and the roster split in
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half, and it's a pretty solid
split. Like so, really, I'm
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only working one day on TV and
then if I want to go to a
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house show, and I'm making still
making life changing money, and I'm referencing
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the middle of the card enough,
you know, the bottom of the card.
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Guys are just there to get exposure
and try to get noticed and try
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to get over, you know.
But look, you and I have all
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we've all been in companies we've worked
for where we're like, man, upper
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management's dumb. But hey, I'm
making a pretty good paycheck right now and
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I'm not working that hard, So
yeah, you know, and and I
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did in my business. I worked
for one company. I was working my
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tail off, killing myself, and
the other company across the town reached out
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offered me more money and I don't
have to work as hard. Well yeah,
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and I even I actually had this
conversation with my boss today and I
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told him they're me and the manager
in the Huntle area have had the same
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conversation that we worked way less hard
here than we did our previous jobs,
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so we almost feel like we're cheating
the company. At times. He's kind
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of laughed, and I'm like,
no, I'm serious, Like I feel
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weird that I'm not doing enough,
but then my numbers say I'm doing good.
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And that's kind of how it is
with the wrestling. It's like,
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hey, if we're putting up decent
numbers in the ratings and people are talking
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about us, and we don't have
to work as hard and I'm still making
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life changing money, Like unless I'm
just a WWE mark and I want and
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I want the Cody thing where I
want to get a shot at being the
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WWE champion, why would I leave. I'm making really really good money and
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I only have to work and if
I want to go it do indie shows
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or do signings. They have no
problem with that, like, yeah,
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why would I leave? Its It's
easier there and you don't have the authoritative
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voice raining down on you about Nope, we don't like that gimmick. We're
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not doing that. You know.
It's oh, oh, if you want
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to try it, go ahead.
Like it's just like the commune vibe almost,
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you know, it's like hit like
Woodstock. It's like Woodstock in sixty
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nine over there in aw at times, So it's a little bit like why
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would I leave if I don't have
to try hard? All right, So
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let's wrap this up here because we're
almost coming thirty minutes. I'm talking about
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this and started thing. But it's
so wild that this has been going on.
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So the big part of that story
is like this needs to be nipped
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in the bud or it's going to
be a terrible, big explosion or giant
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terrible explosion, I think Meltzer said. So, how do they nip this
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in the butt? If if they're
not talking to one another, they're not
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making money on television, if they're
not burying the hatchet behind the scenes,
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how is this ever going to stop? It would have to mean that somebody
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would have to leave the company,
So I mean that's one option. The
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other option, doctor right to me
is get everybody in the room. Let's
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end this shit. Okay, no
no coming and blows for the good of
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this freaking company. Let's get everybody
together and bury it. Even if we
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walk out and still hate each other
and we don't want to work with one
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another, Let's end this shit.
Elite, do you want to see AW
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grow and be successful? Yes?
See them punk? Do you want to
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see AW grow and be successful?
Yes, all right, meet in the
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middle, shake hands, move the
fuck on, because this crap brings the
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company down. The company has been
so good creatively lately. I'm excited for
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all In. I'm excited for all
Out. I know there's bitch in complaining
399
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about the creative for all In right
now and how they're not announcing matches or
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what have you, But nonetheless,
the company has been doing great. Doctor
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Trey, what is your suggestion to
put this shit in the back burner so
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that aw can move forward? Because
this is wild that this ship happening.
403
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.759
Yeah, like it's it's it's funny
because I kind of feel like I had
404
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.400
this conversation with all my friends a
day. I'm like, he's got kids.
405
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.559
I have kids, and I was
like referencing to you're referring to our
406
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.880
kids to or compare our kids to
the people on our team, And I'm
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00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:18.640
like, if you let let the
child do something once, you can't then
408
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:22.079
come back the second time ago,
No, you can't do it, Well,
409
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.160
you already let me do it once, Like you can't take you can't
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00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.279
put the genie back in the bottle. And that's almost where we're at,
411
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:34.799
Like the biggest difference with these two
companies and the last forty years of WWE,
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00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.279
there's always been a father figure,
whether it's Vince or Tripolation. Now
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00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.160
you don't want to let Dad down, you go out of your way.
414
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.079
Tony Kahn's not a father figure.
He's your buddy, your pal, your
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brother. You know, anybody the
sibling knows it. We've all disappointed and
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00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.359
pissed off our siblings at some point. But you know, you don't want
417
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.799
to make Dad angry. You don't
want to make Dad mad, You don't
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00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.359
want you don't want Dad giving that. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed talk
419
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.559
And that's where we're at right now
with this. You know, it's there's
420
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no buddy taking control. And my
friend I was talking to about his team,
421
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.839
team was kind of rebelling against him
because they're in two different areas,
422
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.839
and I literally suggested, like,
you need to go to them, show
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00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.119
them that in order for this to
work, we have to work together.
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Nobody believes we can do it.
Let's prove them wrong. And I feel
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like AW has to take that step, like you say, get them all
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00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:36.319
in a room, hash it out, create that US against the world mentality,
427
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.039
and then figure out a way to
work together. Like in the history
428
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of wrestling, there have been a
lot of feuds that made money when the
429
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.920
guys hated each other. It's like, this is kind of wrestling when I
430
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.359
wanted, but for the sake of
the sport, for the sake of the
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00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.440
company, you put your egos aside
and you do the business. We just
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00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.400
saw with Riddle and Seth Rollins not
too long ago. Those guys don't like
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each other, but they did a
nice little I have a read a couple
434
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.720
of pay per view matches and it
did decent business. Rollins and Rhads Cody
435
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.160
have admitted that they have like they
don't tend to like each other, but
436
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.640
it's a healthy competition because they want
to both be the best they minute and
437
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:17.519
they respect one another. It's just
just while that we're in a generation where
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00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.400
it's like bygones can't be bygones.
And from the stuff I'm reading, it
439
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:26.720
appears Punk does want to again cannot
be lost, and they said he does
440
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.119
want to move forward, he wants
to make money, he wants to put
441
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.400
himself into an angle with these guys, and it just seems like the elite
442
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.319
want nothing to do with it.
And I don't think they're being leaders.
443
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.440
If that's the case in all and
across the board, Tony Kahn is not
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00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.400
being a leader, Punk's not being
a leader. Members of the elite are
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00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.279
not being leaders for this company,
and those are the people that should be
446
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.079
because you know, when all this
drama is going on, it's affecting everybody
447
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.680
and it's making a do you look
really really bad in the press over the
448
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.759
last couple of days. So it's
it's mind boggling to me unless something riveting
449
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.000
happenings on Dynamite Because as Doctor Trey
and I are recording this, Dynamites going
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00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:07.880
on that turns this into a work. Yeah, they're shooting for no reason
451
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.839
and it's just just stupid to me. It's bizarre. But here we are
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00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.599
going Doctor Trey CMFT drama I like
to call it here on this week's edition
453
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:22.000
of SRTU switching gears to things that
are drama, but it's actually stuff that
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00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.720
writers have written. We'll go to
WI here. Jay usso closed out smacked
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00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.799
down this past week, Super Kicking
Roman reigns Super Kicking Solo Sukoa looking like
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00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.680
he was going to re embrace with
his brother Jimmy, who explained why he
457
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.440
did it. He did not want
his brother to end up like Roman Reigns.
458
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.920
That's why he costs him the match. Jay super kicks him, says
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00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.920
I'm out of the Bloodline, I'm
out of SmackDown, and I'm out of
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00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.279
w WE, and says deuces.
So this is the next layer, this
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00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.559
next chapter of this storyline, Doctor
Trey and the fans again, I've been
462
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.240
saying it. He is one of
the most captivating wrestlers and all professional wrestling
463
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.440
today. That is Jausso thoughts on
how that angle played out following Summer's landing
464
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:04.960
with Jausso in the Bloodline. Really
well done hasn't been done? I mean
465
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.519
the walking out of the company.
I'm done with this place. That's been
466
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.359
done before. The layers of it's
a little bit different, and these storylines
467
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.319
are great because what that does is
the absence makes the heart grow fonder.
468
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.400
We've always talked about the biggest poss
we hear when guys come back. You
469
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.680
want to elevate Jay Husso to being
a main event guy, like a legitimate
470
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.240
main event guy. This is that
extra layer you can put on it.
471
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.359
So, like, really well done. I think the last time we really
472
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.279
had the walkout was yeah, yeah, and when he came back, huge
473
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:42.480
reaction. I think they tried it
with Ziggler at one point when he was
474
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.400
doing the no music thing and stuff
like that, but it didn't really the
475
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.079
audience thing capture onto it because he
wasn't viewed in that light. But I
476
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.400
mean, you can go back to
even when they lose, re leaves,
477
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.680
town matches, things like that.
It's all a design to help get the
478
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:00.799
baby faces over more. And this
is a perfect angle because uh, you
479
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.839
got the family drama, the brother
drama, the whole nine yards. It's
480
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.840
it's really it was a really really
good course to take when we thought,
481
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.199
hey, like where are they going
to go with us next? I didn't
482
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.000
see that walk out coming, so
good job by the writers to give me
483
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.800
something that I can sing my teeth
and do because was unexpecting. Yeah,
484
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.079
I mean the layer to this is
I did not expect Jimmy USO not to
485
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.360
side with the bloodline. That was
another layer to it that I really enjoyed.
486
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.320
The walkout was not expected far to
Jimmy yusso it was reunited with the
487
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.760
bloodline. It was the complete one
eighty From that, his explanation made sense
488
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.719
Obviously it's not easy to cause your
brother the Universal Championship in the process as
489
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.760
well. So overall it's just very
well executed, very well done, and
490
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.679
where this goes from here leaves me
wanting to watch SmackDown on Friday, which
491
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.760
is the most important thing. It's
like that close out angle is it leaving
492
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.679
you to wanting to see what the
product is going to do next? And
493
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.119
it is great stuff all around.
Continued from the outline jus So, Jimmy
494
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.119
Uso, Roman Rain Siloskoa, and
of course Paul Hayman. Carrying over to
495
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.400
Monday Nights, Doctor Trey, it
was looking like it was gonna be Cody
496
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:13.639
Rhodes to vie for the World Heavyweight
Championship next, but it appears to WW
497
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.280
is setting up Shinsk Nakamura to take
on Seth Freaking Rollins. We talked about
498
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.760
a little bit on last week's podcast. Is Shinsk the right opponent to be
499
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:29.840
Seth Freaking rollins next challenger for the
World Heavyweight Championship. It's debatable, it's
500
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.880
arguable, Like for me, I'm
fine with it because if you're trying to
501
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.840
establish the credibility of the World Heavyweight
Championship, I still go back to what
502
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.039
I said before the last PLI and
you convinced me to change my pick.
503
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.239
You gotta get a little bit of
time on the championship. You can't hot
504
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.320
potato a brand new title around,
because then the fans are going, is
505
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.039
this like the twenty four seven title? We're gonna get like four champions in
506
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.400
three months? Because at one point
you and I talked on the show it
507
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.119
go from a Seth rolls the finn
Bella to Damian Priest really really quick.
508
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.440
Then you would have three world champions
in two days on a brand new title
509
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.599
belt. So to take somebody like
Shinske, who has credibility, who the
510
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:17.079
fans, the diehard fans love Shinsk's
last heel run I really enjoyed as well.
511
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.280
This is a guy that can jump
on both sides of fence. Matchup
512
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:27.000
with Seth is eccentric like Seth,
So to me, it's a good choice
513
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:31.239
if you're trying to establish a little
bit longer run for Seth. Plus,
514
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.159
Seth hasn't been babyfaced that long,
and if you throw him in there with
515
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.360
a Cody, it splits the crowd
and you don't get that build up to
516
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.079
it. To me, is it's
a good way to keep Cody out of
517
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.599
the world title picture for a little
bit longer until they go back to that
518
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.559
route. So I'm fine with it. Shinzk is an excellent worker. And
519
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.039
look, people on here and the
other chatboard are not you know, chats
520
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.840
social media. We've all bitshed about
shinsk not being in the picture for a
521
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.320
long time. Shinz case back in
the picture now, So kudos to Hunter
522
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.360
whoever was that elevated back up and
you're starting to see that come to your
523
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.719
fruition with his NXT favorites, you
know, jumping more into the limelight on
524
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.400
the main roster, slowly but surely. Yeah, you took my next point
525
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.119
I was gonna ask you, is
it's very telling that where coming out of
526
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.480
one feud that was Finn Valor,
now the next feud is gonna be Shinska
527
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.960
Nakamora. It certainly feels like Triple
H is sending a message, and it's
528
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.800
a message I can get behind because
that NX are with those guys was phenomenal
529
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:36.000
and I love seeing these Triple HS
guys getting an opportunity like Finn and shin
530
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.880
because they deserve it. They were
not booked well since the call up from
531
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.880
NXT, and here they are now
shining and it's made for a very,
532
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.920
very fun product. So I'm excited
for Shinska Kaka More to get this opportunity
533
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.199
again. Yeah. And then even
if you look at SmackDown, the stuff
534
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.280
with EO Bailey Osca, you know
all of that stuff, those are all
535
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.400
Triple H people as well. In
the women's division, you look at like
536
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.199
some of the others, like,
you know, we could get a Cody
537
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.880
Ripley, Yeah, and then we
can get Cody, Sammy and Kevin against
538
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.920
Judgment Day. That's mostly Triple H
people. So it's kind of like watching
539
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:14.199
that elevation kind of comforted. We're
seeing Choppa back on TV, Bronson reads
540
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.280
on TV. Ricochet's getting a lot
of TV time, you know, we're
541
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:20.880
seeing some of the NXT guys like
Carmelo Haze, these other guys, bring
542
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.159
back Gargano, let's go yeah,
well yeah, and bring back Tag Team
543
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:29.079
Wrestling full time in WW. So
it's tough. It's tough when both when
544
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.239
the champions are legitimately hurt, right
now, that's the unfortunate part. Well,
545
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.000
we got Drew and Riddle beating the
Viking Raiders, which I wasn't really
546
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.519
a fan of, but anyway,
they love those makeshift makeshift tag teams.
547
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:43.719
We'll have to see where they go
with the new day on this upcoming edition
548
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.559
of Monday Night Raw real quick here
doctor for the close up shop here talking
549
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.960
about people that are getting a opportunity
to JD mcdonne's now being shown in this
550
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:57.360
Judgment day feud yr and a on
that. I'm a ya on it because
551
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.760
JD mcdonn is a fantastic wrestler.
Most people who know who he is or
552
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.599
know who Finn is know that there's
a tie into that because they've actually talked
553
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.280
about it on NXT back in the
day when he wasn't j D mcdonna.
554
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.079
So and then it creates a little
bit more tension because now you feel like
555
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:21.440
it's the Dominic and Damian against the
Irish guys a little bit. So it
556
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:27.360
curates that friction as well. Maybe
a little too much JD on Monday Night,
557
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.280
but overall I think it's good for
the storyline. Yeah, yeah,
558
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.760
I agree. It's nice to see
him to get some shine. I am
559
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.119
a fan of JD mcdonna at school
seeing him because it makes sense for if
560
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.159
you know the history to add him
into the judgment day stuff. So there
561
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.440
you go. Lots of discuss here, CMFT drama leading the way, some
562
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.760
great stuff going on creatively in w
E on Ron SmackDown, and again just
563
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.599
full full on here with all the
ship with AW we discussed for most of
564
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.000
the show. Aw's been doing great, and I'm excited for them to go
565
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:02.840
into All In and you know,
hopefully hopefully kill it here I mean,
566
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.320
is that is that next week?
Now all In? We get ready for
567
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.480
All In next week? Next week's
pretty sure? We do preview like we
568
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.039
do preview and prediction next week.
Yeah, wow, Okay, I'm hope.
569
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.280
I'm hoping we get a few more
matches in now because I don't want
570
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.199
to go into a preview prediction show
with like five matches. Yeah no,
571
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.800
that would be bad. So because
we know that show's gonna go five hours,
572
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.639
so we need to No, I'm
I'm with you. They need to
573
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.599
have some more matches and the card
is looking a little lackluster right now.
574
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:36.960
Not try to say, I mean
paper a couple of things even now.
575
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.159
So I mean you're getting Adam calling
MJF. That's a fantastic matchup. You're
576
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:45.440
getting the bucks in FTR. That's
fantastic. Maybe see him punk and uh
577
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.440
samo Joe. Yeah. By the
way, I think if if Samoa Joe
578
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.280
loses, he'll be that's new challenger, because that's the progression you get from
579
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:58.360
Finn to Shinsk to Joe. Ok. Yeah, next thing you actually Shinsk,
580
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.440
Finn and Joe. So he switched
the order a little bit. But
581
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:06.199
once again, Uh, Samojoe starring
on a show on the Peacock Network,
582
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.719
which you know that's where the WB
network is as well. I didn't realize.
583
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.559
Speaking of samo Joe, I heard
the other day on Collision. I
584
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:21.199
was watching Collision on DVR and Ian
Ricabani said that Samojoe was approaching five hundred
585
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:22.519
days and as TV Champian like that, man, that can't be right.
586
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:28.039
He just joined the company. He's
been an aw for fifteen months. Yeah,
587
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.480
April twenty twenty two. Yeah,
completely lost that. And then once
588
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.239
again it's Samoa Joe. So he
was hurt for eight of those fifteen months.
589
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.000
I thought he's been healthy, he's
been hurt well for a while.
590
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.480
He wasn't. Then it was like
he came in worked hurt, came back
591
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.519
TV title, didn't see him on
TV for a while, and then back
592
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.280
in when c Hi punk goes back
around back into the limelights. Though,
593
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.440
No, no, he might not
have been hurt that much. I just
594
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.440
I think he's doing the thing.
Yeah, and for most people, that's
595
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.000
not seeing it at all. Yeah, that's not seeing I'm not paying on
596
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.960
our club for nine to ninety nine
month to watch four episodes of their show.
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All right, Well, that said, let's get a couple plugs and
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said, what is going on in
the wonderful world of Doctor tre Franklin this
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week? Oh, I'm just making
sure that we're out on a porn set,
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right, No, no, no, no, not you X Okay,
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all right, I just want to
make sure, but yeah, you
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can follow me on X for the
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You can find me on Facebook as
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Facebook. Those guys put out some
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just had to say I am so
proud of Jeff Peck not because of marriage,
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not because of anything else other than
he finally said no to a wrestling
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show. He said no to Ring
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so I am very proud of Jeff. We're going that's one show too
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many for the value. So I'm
proud of man's got a nose. Limitations,
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Doctor Trey. It's I can't do
it. I just can't or I'm
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not going to see family anymore and
I'm mar right now, so I can't
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keep doing it. All right.
With that said, we will preview and
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predict aw all In live from Wembley
Stadium in London, England on next week's
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in the podcast two weeks from now, we'll obviously recap and review all in,
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and then we will also preve and
predict all out, which is that
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Sunday. So the next couple of
weeks is gonna be very aw donovant and
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hopefully it doesn't include more drama.
So all that and more in a very
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historic show coming up here for aw
to invade Wembley Stadium in about ten days
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or so. Exciting times for professional
lessaying, thank you for making us part
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of your week, thank you for
downloading this week the podcast and until next
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week for doc straight Franklin. I'm
Jeff Peck. This is just a real
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It's stupid up. Welcome everybody.
Welcome to this week's EDI and this st
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realto Show, episode number seven hundred
and five for August seventeen, twenty twenty
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three. Welcome to this week's edition
of ass R to You. I am
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one after show. I am Jeff
Peck joined every single week front Go soone
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only Dtor Trey Franklin Doctor Trey.
Rememberin I said that there was no drama
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going on in a w my friend
wait, im my fan room. Collision
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Now, yeah, I think so. I think they may have just sent
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doctor Trey home, and by the
end of this episode, they may be
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sending me home. Welcome to this
week's edition of sr tu H. It
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was within the last month I felt
like that we spoke about see him Punk.
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He seemed rejuvenated. We didn't hear
any bad stories. Maybe it leads
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to them feuding with the elite.
And then Collision happened on Saturday. Tons
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of cmpunk. Drama and controversy has
come off of this past week's edition of
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Collision, and it didn't even air
on television. It's what it took place.
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After the camera stop rolling as cmpunk
cut a promo after Collision, going
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off the air taking shots at Hangman
Page. That wasn't approved by aw nor
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was it a quote work Sampunk took
shots at Hangman page for merchandise sales,
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toy sales. It was a very
weird line and segment on paragraph that he
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went off on about Hangman Page.
I gotta be honest, came out of
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nowhere. Seemed very desperate, and
it appears that it opened up the floodgates
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Doctor Trey to a whole bunch of
stuff which I spent a good portion of
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the afternoon preparing for this week position
the podcast timelining everything. So I'm going
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to get to the floodgates. But
the initial, I guess pipe bomb that
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set it all off was Cmpunk's weird
after show promo on Hangman Page. It
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just seemed unnecessary. Yeah. The
funny thing is so like, you know,
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pull back the card. We're actually
recording on Wednesday. Do you know
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where Dynamite is tonight? No?
I don't actually Huntsville, Alabama. Wow,
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Doctor Trey Man, you missed out, Bud, I know, I
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know. And then when my buddy's
just texted me, he was like,
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Hey, they're about to ring the
bell, and I'm like Yeah, they'll
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lake slap on the ring bell,
so don't worry about it, You'll hear
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it. But are we really surprised
about I mean, hey, I'm not
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really surprised about drama from AW and
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cmpunk, because the amazing thing is
is that, you know, you and
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I have been doing this show for
a very very long time. We have
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been fans of cmpunk the performer for
longer than this show has been on the
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air, and it just seems like
that the last decade that just drama kind
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of follows him. And you know, he's arguably the biggest name in AW
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and he's kind of the lightning rod. So if he does something, we're
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gonna hear about it, because I
mean, really, before a couple of
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days ago, he had anybody really
heard of Nick Nemuth before a couple of
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days ago, Ryan, Ryan that
Nick is actually Dolph Siegler. Oh yeah,
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my bad seat that just she goes
to show you remember NICKI Nicky.
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Yes, it's only because I also
saw him on being the Elite the other
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day, so that was on being
the Elite. Yeah, but you know,
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we hear these stories and it's like
everything that he does is going to
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come out in the news and whether
it's good or a bad and different.
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But the promos he's been cutting over
the last two years, some have been
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really really good and some have been
kind of weird and awkward, And this
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is kind of falls in that.
All Right, we're taking shots to the
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guy that was thinking shots at about
merch sale and toy sales and just random
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stuff like, is really anybody in
AW killing it in toy sales? Is
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anybody killing it in merch sales?
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in the AW merch bubble than the
WW merch bubble. So like it was
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just it was unnecessary and I felt
like he did it just to get a
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reaction from the crowd. Yeah.
I mean there's definitely more to that,
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and we'll get to that here in
the timeline of events. So this off
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air promo about hanging out and page
that wasn't approved by AW was not a
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work happened, and then it just
felt like anybody that was in AW that
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was withholding information or dirt on cmpun
because they just wanted things to be okay
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and just move past what happened from
all out decided to like let every outlet
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know what was going on. So
I'm going to go through this timeline,
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Doctor Trey. At any point that
I go through this, if you want
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to stop and discuss the particular,
you know, part of this story here,
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let's get into it. I mean, there are a lot of parts
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here, and this has probably going
to dominate most of the podcasts here.
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But it's such a huge story this
week that's like mind boggling that it's it's
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it's happening again. This is where
SRTU becomes srt U m Z. So
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we're back at it again. So
following the promo, I think it was
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like literally the next day, stories
come out following that. Ryan Nemth,
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Matt Hardy, and Christopher Daniels have
all been sent home from Collision tapings due
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to see Him Punk. At this
point, Punk and Nemth had tension due
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to Nema's tweet calling cempunk quote literally
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on the first episode of Collision.
Punk and Nemath talked it out at the
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Collision taping, but Punk perceived nemothist
during the pot in the locker room Nematha
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Punk shook hands, but there were
still tension. Nemath is featured on BT
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being the Elite regularly, and Punk
confirmed Nemoth was sent home as per his
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call. Heman Page was flown in
for Collision to do a pretape interview for
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Wednesday's Dynamite, but when he got
there he was told that they would have
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to do it away from the venue
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The belief is this was not Punk's
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to Nemoth Earlier that day, Matt
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with the Elite. It was perceived
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sent home as well. Punk reportedly
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there's really no reason right now why
Matt Hardy and Isaiah Cassidy were sent home,
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but Punk is saying that that was
not his call or people close to
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Punk. Christopher Daniels was sent home
because of his involvement from brawl Out.
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He is the head of talent relations
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involved and not allowed to return backstage. Punk felt the same about Christopher Daniels.
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Punk reportedly said that Daniels being removed
was his call. Tonykh is still
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a big fan of seampunk and sees
him as an integral part of the company's
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business strategy. There was a report
that after Punk walked through the Current after
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his Collision return promo, Cohn was
standing up chanting sampunk in Guerrilla kind of
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Weird. It was reported that Punk's
post Collision promo on Adam Page did not
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come across how he would have liked
and felt bad afterwards. Punk reportedly personally
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apologized to Page by text message and
took shots so that there is a possibility
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to feud with the elite in the
future, so he took shots during that
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return promo to open up the door
to feud with them. Punk shots at
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Page reportedly quote an attempt to do
a comedy line that backfired. Fightful Select
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report that Punk recently gotten into an
argument with jungle Boy Jack Perry as well.
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Per the report, Punk took issue
with a spot that Perry planned on
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performing during an early episode of Collision, which took place during Aw's tour of
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Canada. Apparently, Perry wanted to
use real glass and a backstage segment and
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Punk immediately pushed back against the idea
as it was a safety hazard. The
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article also states that Tony Schivanni and
others objected to Perry using glass. The
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exchange led to an argument between Punk
and Perry, with the latter reportedly upset
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about his plans being knicks. Afterward, the company reportedly initiated guidelines to ensure
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that no performer used real glass without
receiving permission from the office beforehand, which
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is a story that we heard about
like four or five weeks ago. Now
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we know why. Furthermore, Punk
reportedly told Perry that Collision doesn't have segments
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of that ilk and invites him to
stay on aw Dynamite if you had a
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problem with it. Well. Many
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as an argument between the pair.
Punk side claimed that Perry threw a tantrum.
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All in all, though most people
agreed with Punk, as Perry's planned
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glass segment was objected to buy doctors
and others. The belief backstage at Aws
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that this entire situation needs to be
nipped in the bud right now, or
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it's going to be a giant,
terrible explosion. As per Dave Meltzer,
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So why is aw doing this.
They are doing everything they can to keep
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him happy, Dave Meltzer said,
and then Russell observe a radio show because
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quote, when you are a draw
in this business and they feel he is
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in dispensable, we're close to indispensable. They allow him to do this because
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they are trying to launch this show
Collision on Saturday, and the feeling is
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obviously that having him is more important
than having a situation where the head of
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talent relations can go to a show. Christopher Daniels obviously was again reportedly told
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to leave the lead's Collision taping at
Punk's requests. More quotes, They feel
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that it's more important to keep seeing
Punk happy because of the attempt to launch
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on Saturday. The top draws will
always have that power. And it's a
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unique situation because of the feeling that
they're trying to get this big giant television
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deal and the Saturday shows are very, very important. They COLLETI believe that
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he needs to be on Saturday's show
or there's a great chance that the show
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will do lower numbers, and in
the long run, those lower numbers will
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mean less money when they do the
new TV contract nual, the expense of
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the locker room and everything else,
So that's the basic situation end quote.
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Meanwhile, Meltzer suggests that something else
happened between Punk and Ryan Nemoth, who
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was also reportedly removed from Saturday's collision, as we discussed earlier, outside of
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their alleged backstage confrontation in June Didially, Meltzer said that Punk has the power
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although it's not written to kick people
out of events, and then awco Tony
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Kahn gave him that ability. Lastly, Fightful Select reports that Steel A Steel
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recently met with AW president Tony Kann
about returning to wrestling in some capacity.
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Steel is still employed with a DOOT
but isn't permitted to attend shows due to
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being an insurance risk. Steel's reportedly
back in AW but is not on the
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road and is allowed to seek work
elsewhere as his contract with AWS up in
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twenty twenty four. The report mentions, but doesn't outright confirm, that Steele
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may have received back pay for the
time he was out following the altercation.
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Steele's role is reportedly focused primarily on
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That is, everything I think I
could capture from the CMFT drama that
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took place over the last four or
five days in aw your thoughts. So,
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so, you know, do you
remember the from a couple of years
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ago when we had the discussion about
you know, the EVPs or ny I
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was kind of stripping some powers away
from the EVP and you know, the
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buck stops with me and I make
all the decisions. And we heard that,
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we heard that. It doesn't feel
like that's the case anymore. It
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feels like Tony's running Collision. I
mean, Tony's running Dynamite and Punk is
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running Collision like they've it feels like
I would say, is running Dynamite.
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Well, but and the rest of
the roster. Yeah, but the booking
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decisions are from Tony Kahn. That
was what it was. That's what was
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said by melting the past. And
now you look at Collision the booking powers
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with them Punk. If he doesn't
want somebody on that show, he's gonna
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send them home. And it now
sending Ryan Nemath home because you don't really
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get along with them that well,
not a huge blow like Ryan's Ryan's a
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good wrestler, but he's not you
know, top of the pecking order,
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so to speak. But when you
said to Matt Hardy at home, that's
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going to get some attention. Now
it may have been its called, it
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may not have been his call,
you know, sending home the head of
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talent relations, Well, like,
does that mean just to clarify there,
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because it does get lost in the
shuffle of everything that I just went through.
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Punk is saying that he did not
send Matt Hardy home. Yes,
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that's why. That's why I say
whether he did or not, you know,
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because Matt Hardy still very popular among
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Punk. I mean Punk, If
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like, this is who he sent
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home. If he's owning some of
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personally speaking that it may he may
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you know what I mean. So
we'll take Matt Hardy out of the
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equation, you know. But but
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Chiovanni's the assistant head or co head. I'm not really dynamic, but they're
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both in talent relations. Yeah,
but to send the perceives head of talent
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relations home from an aid you show
is a ballsy and b shows that punk
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has more stroke than management. Like
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like that blew me away now arguing
a jungle with Jack Perry not surprising.
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Two different trains of thought, two
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the veterans, the doctors, Chiovanni, every else goes, yeah,
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we don't want to use real glass
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I was gonna say, do you
remember having to Bill Goldberg smashing in a
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car window? But then again,
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Goldberg smashed in the car window and
seven and Artery in his arm, I
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don't think. Yeah, so that's
just like a long standing rule for the
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last like twenty five years. And
hell, he might have been in the
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womb or he was he was he
was born in ninety seven, Jack Perry,
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why we really haven't done that in
the last twenty some odd years. So
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I could understand and there being a
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see Jack Perry three at temperate tantrum, Like that's not shocking to me,
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but it does. It does feel
odd that some of this stuff happened in
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June. Some of this stuff happened, you know, before the promo.
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It didn't come out, but it
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Punk did something, Oh I gotta
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you know, it's it's one of
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I'm mad at him. I need
to go tattle on him for all this
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little stuff he did. So,
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some of why I don't understand,
but you know, the like like
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he were saying earlier about like Punk
has that authority because he's a top draw.
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We used it a story last week
on Roman Reigns has say so over
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who beats him for a belt,
Like, if you're a draw, you
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get special privileges. And it's been
that way throughout the history of wrestling,
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whether it's you know, Brett Hart
not wanted to drop the the title of
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Shawn Michaels in Canada and try to
drop at the Shamrock or Undertaker, whether
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it's Hogan pushing people down player pushing
people down. Bruno like, if you're
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the top guy, you do get
these special treatments. And that's just the
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way society is. I mean,
we've all worked for companies where the best
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sales guys make the most money and
get the most leeway, and the guys
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who aren't as good are micromanaged.
I mean that's the nature of business as
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a whole that gets so to speak. I think to me, the biggest
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thing is is this is obviously bubbled
back up again again. I mean I'll
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reiterate like, we've heard nothing we
talked about on this podcast. We've heard
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nothing since Punk return. It seemed
like all was well in aw If this
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crew was doing their thing on Saturday
and this crew is doing their things on
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Wednesday and it's equally harmony and good
creative content that's being portrayed on the shows
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on Wednesday and Saturday and carries over
to the pay per view, then we
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as Rustling fans are here for it. But the promo happens, all these
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stories start coming out and it does
not paint seampunk in a good light.
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It also does not paint Tony Khan
in a good light. There's a perception
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let's just say it right. There's
a perception that Tony Khan can be very
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markish at times, comes off as
as a mark and there's the story that
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he was chanting for punk. Whether
it's true or not is here nor there.
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But I mean he has basically allowed
Seampunk to, you know, dictate
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what the company is doing to a
degree, and I don't I don't know
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if that's the right decision. There
have been times in wrestling where performers have
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been allowed to do things that have
gone beyond what most are allowed to do.
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And I immediately think of the stories
that you hear about with the Click
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and Sean Michaels and Jitzickmann from you
know, ninety five to ninety seven ninety
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eight, that like they were in
his ear and they had a real powerful
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voice in the behind the scenes area
where people weren't getting pushed, people weren't
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getting opportunities in the main event.
And it's reminiscent of that, and that
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was a very vulnerable time for WWE. As business got better and they had
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Steve Aust and the Rock and the
Attitude era, you never heard of these
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stories ever. Again, there's always
been stories about Triple H holding people down.
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There's been stories about John Cena holding
people down. Never really anything about
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Roman reigns, but it's you know, we hear it from time to time,
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but never to this degree. I
think that is the big part of
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the story is that in aw's own
internal eyes and Tony Kahn's eyes at his
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company year number four, it'll be
four years of dynamite in eight weeks from
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now, less than eight weeks from
now, that they are vulnerable. They
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are a vulnerable company. They're heading
into a show that will have a gate
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of probably over eighty thousand people,
which is a huge accomplimentshion for them.
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I don't know why they feel like
they're vulnerable, but they feel like since
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this brawl out situation has happened,
that they need sempunk on the roster,
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that they need cmpunk representing AW.
I don't know nor think cempunk has a
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backup plan if AW doesn't work out. I don't know if WW would welcome
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and back with open arms. You
know, we heard the story a couple
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of months ago that he went to
WWE's raw in Chicago and said hi to
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some people and made amend's specifically the
folks like them is believe that he had
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a conversation with Triple H. What
that entailed, what we won't know,
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But I mean that to me is
the biggest thing of this all, Doctor
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Tree, is that internally Awver views
themselves as vulnerable. Tony Kahn, as
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the leader, views himself as vulnerable
based on the decisions that he's allowing to
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happen from one talent. Internally in
aw it's upsetting part of the roster and
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this will not create a good working
environment again. And it's just like one
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of the things that I read,
it's a powder keg and if it's not
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nipped in the bud, and I
don't know how you nip it in the
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bud. At this point, it's
going to be one big explosion. And
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I know there's a lot of negativity
towards see him Punk right now, but
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I think that something that should not
be lost in this all is that Punk
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wants to work with the elite.
He wants to put this behind them.
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He wants to put this as a
money maker and that would in turn make
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aw better and a creative program that
people are going to tune into it because
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controversy creates cash. Is it that
bad that the elite's like, no,
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fuck this guy, we don't want
to work with him. It's it's a
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slew of different ranges of an emotions
here, doctor Try. I mean,
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this is again opening up old wounds, and it's very very strange that this
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amount of stuff is taking place in
aw right now. So you know a
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couple of things you know you mentioned
earlier. Tony kN comes off as markish
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and you can look at the four
years of this company and see that,
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like he has a shiny new toy
fetish and it's year one the elite and
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Cody whatever they say is what we
do. Year two you get Jericho and
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Moxley. And guess what Jericho and
Moxley were everywhere last year. It was
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you know when Brian Danielson came over
and Adam Cole, they were there everywhere.
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And then now it's to see him
punks show. It's like he does
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kind of get behind whatever. Like
I said, a shiny new toy he
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gets and I'm sure like if you
know, I don't know, I'm trying
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to throw a name at the wall
from w B High End. Like let's
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say seth Rawlins came available and somehow
Tony gone made him offer he couldn't refuse.
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Guess what it'd be the seth Rawlins
show. It's the new show.
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It's a new toy mentality, like
I'm gonna play with this until I get
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bored with it, move on the
next thing. The problem that happens is,
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for one, the direction of the
company constantly changes, so you don't
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create any stability because year one,
you know you and I say, here,
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it's like the Super Indie Show.
And year two it was kind of
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like, oh, look at all
these x WWE guys coming in, whether
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it's Andrada or Miro or Alis or
Black or whoever it was. And then
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year three it's like, oh my
god, the technical wrestling show. Like
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this, the wrestling is really really
great. And then now it's kind of
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like, okay, well we have
one show that's super Indie Show, and
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then we have other one that's kind
of the more traditional show. Like you
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kind of almost know don't know what
you're getting from one show to the next,
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like there's no consistency, and maybe
that's by design. Maybe back at
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they're looking back at the old days
of ww and some people loved raw for
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the storylines and all that stuff.
People love smacked down for the work rate,
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but it just kind of creates instability
everywhere. And I think now the
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wrestlers are really starting to where Tony
Kant's been their buddy, their pal,
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until hey, they show a new
toy doesn't like me. Now I'm not
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on shows, now, I'm not
working events. Now I'm just kind of
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stagging it, bouncing around. And
that's why you starting to hear these little
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rumors about people losing faith in Tony
Khn as well. And I don't know
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if vulnerable is the right word,
but it does kind of feel like they're
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on I don't want to say fit, but like they're on a teeter totter,
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like if you're selling out Wembley saing
or you putting eighty thousand people in
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Wembley stating you're not vulnerable to like
a takeover or something, but you could
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lose the locker room, or you
could lose half the locker room, or
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maybe you already have, Like how
can you play both sides of the coin
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and you go back to brawl out
And when everything first happened, that's one
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of things I said, like how
can you sit there and here Sam Punk
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say these things about the elite and
not stop him, not shut him up,
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but just nod your head like you're
in agreement. Then when something happens
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you take the other sides point of
view. It's like you're you're just trying
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to play both sides of the card. And that's not strong leadership. That's
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you know, non confrontational, passive
friend buddy, that's hanging out with you,
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just trying to be part of the
it crowds, so to speak.
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Now, we obviously don't know the
full story, and it's always possible with
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these types of reports that this is
loosely based and there may be some irregular,
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irregulartees that did not actually take place. I mean, I think we'd
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have to say that and say that
this is not gospel concrete, this is
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how it all worked out unless things
are confirmed which punk or as people have
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done and what have you. But
there may be some things with that said.
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You know, the elite just resigned
with the company for like three,
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four or five years whatever it is. It's a long term contract extension.
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This is all going on. Why
in the hell would you want to work
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for this company? I mean,
this is wild because Tony Khan is siding
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with punk and letting him do whatever
he wants. According to these reports and
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the belief of what we're seeing,
why would you want to work with somebody
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work for somebody like that, and
who is siding with someone that started a
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fight with you publicly and privately that
was basically done out in the public,
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even though they're not allowed to talk
about anything, like, how would you
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why would you want to stay in
this atmosphere? I don't. I don't
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get this, Like this is so
bizarre to me that people want to work
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at this company with this ship going
on. So think of everybody who's resigned
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recently, and the number one thing
they say is the schedule. If I
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don't have to work as hard and
I can make almost as much money not
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working as hard as the guy that
works for the company across the streets,
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yeah I'll stay here. It's work
smarter, not harder. You know.
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It's like, yeah, am I
going to get all the money that you
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know Cody getting or somebody else getting. No? But do I have to
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be on the road two hundred and
eighty five days a year. No?
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I only got to show up twice
a week. And maybe if I want
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to go work a house show,
maybe I worked and the roster split in
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half, and it's a pretty solid
split. Like so, really, I'm
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only working one day on TV and
then if I want to go to a
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house show, and I'm making still
making life changing money, and I'm referencing
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the middle of the card enough,
you know, the bottom of the card.
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Guys are just there to get exposure
and try to get noticed and try
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to get over, you know.
But look, you and I have all
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we've all been in companies we've worked
for where we're like, man, upper
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management's dumb. But hey, I'm
making a pretty good paycheck right now and
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I'm not working that hard, So
yeah, you know, and and I
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did in my business. I worked
for one company. I was working my
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tail off, killing myself, and
the other company across the town reached out
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offered me more money and I don't
have to work as hard. Well yeah,
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and I even I actually had this
conversation with my boss today and I
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told him they're me and the manager
in the Huntle area have had the same
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conversation that we worked way less hard
here than we did our previous jobs,
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so we almost feel like we're cheating
the company. At times. He's kind
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of laughed, and I'm like,
no, I'm serious, Like I feel
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weird that I'm not doing enough,
but then my numbers say I'm doing good.
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And that's kind of how it is
with the wrestling. It's like,
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hey, if we're putting up decent
numbers in the ratings and people are talking
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about us, and we don't have
to work as hard and I'm still making
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life changing money, Like unless I'm
just a WWE mark and I want and
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I want the Cody thing where I
want to get a shot at being the
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WWE champion, why would I leave. I'm making really really good money and
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I only have to work and if
I want to go it do indie shows
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or do signings. They have no
problem with that, like, yeah,
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why would I leave? Its It's
easier there and you don't have the authoritative
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voice raining down on you about Nope, we don't like that gimmick. We're
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not doing that. You know.
It's oh, oh, if you want
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to try it, go ahead.
Like it's just like the commune vibe almost,
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you know, it's like hit like
Woodstock. It's like Woodstock in sixty
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nine over there in aw at times, So it's a little bit like why
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would I leave if I don't have
to try hard? All right, So
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let's wrap this up here because we're
almost coming thirty minutes. I'm talking about
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this and started thing. But it's
so wild that this has been going on.
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So the big part of that story
is like this needs to be nipped
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in the bud or it's going to
be a terrible, big explosion or giant
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terrible explosion, I think Meltzer said. So, how do they nip this
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in the butt? If if they're
not talking to one another, they're not
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making money on television, if they're
not burying the hatchet behind the scenes,
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how is this ever going to stop? It would have to mean that somebody
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would have to leave the company,
So I mean that's one option. The
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other option, doctor right to me
is get everybody in the room. Let's
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end this shit. Okay, no
no coming and blows for the good of
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this freaking company. Let's get everybody
together and bury it. Even if we
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walk out and still hate each other
and we don't want to work with one
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another, Let's end this shit.
Elite, do you want to see AW
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grow and be successful? Yes?
See them punk? Do you want to
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see AW grow and be successful?
Yes, all right, meet in the
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middle, shake hands, move the
fuck on, because this crap brings the
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company down. The company has been
so good creatively lately. I'm excited for
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all In. I'm excited for all
Out. I know there's bitch in complaining
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about the creative for all In right
now and how they're not announcing matches or
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what have you, But nonetheless,
the company has been doing great. Doctor
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Trey, what is your suggestion to
put this shit in the back burner so
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that aw can move forward? Because
this is wild that this ship happening.
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00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.759
Yeah, like it's it's it's funny
because I kind of feel like I had
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this conversation with all my friends a
day. I'm like, he's got kids.
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I have kids, and I was
like referencing to you're referring to our
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kids to or compare our kids to
the people on our team, And I'm
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like, if you let let the
child do something once, you can't then
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come back the second time ago,
No, you can't do it, Well,
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you already let me do it once, Like you can't take you can't
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put the genie back in the bottle. And that's almost where we're at,
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Like the biggest difference with these two
companies and the last forty years of WWE,
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there's always been a father figure,
whether it's Vince or Tripolation. Now
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you don't want to let Dad down, you go out of your way.
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Tony Kahn's not a father figure.
He's your buddy, your pal, your
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brother. You know, anybody the
sibling knows it. We've all disappointed and
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pissed off our siblings at some point. But you know, you don't want
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to make Dad angry. You don't
want to make Dad mad, You don't
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want you don't want Dad giving that. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed talk
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And that's where we're at right now
with this. You know, it's there's
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no buddy taking control. And my
friend I was talking to about his team,
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team was kind of rebelling against him
because they're in two different areas,
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and I literally suggested, like,
you need to go to them, show
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them that in order for this to
work, we have to work together.
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Nobody believes we can do it.
Let's prove them wrong. And I feel
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like AW has to take that step, like you say, get them all
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in a room, hash it out, create that US against the world mentality,
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and then figure out a way to
work together. Like in the history
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of wrestling, there have been a
lot of feuds that made money when the
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guys hated each other. It's like, this is kind of wrestling when I
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wanted, but for the sake of
the sport, for the sake of the
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company, you put your egos aside
and you do the business. We just
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saw with Riddle and Seth Rollins not
too long ago. Those guys don't like
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each other, but they did a
nice little I have a read a couple
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of pay per view matches and it
did decent business. Rollins and Rhads Cody
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have admitted that they have like they
don't tend to like each other, but
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it's a healthy competition because they want
to both be the best they minute and
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they respect one another. It's just
just while that we're in a generation where
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it's like bygones can't be bygones.
And from the stuff I'm reading, it
439
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:26.720
appears Punk does want to again cannot
be lost, and they said he does
440
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.119
want to move forward, he wants
to make money, he wants to put
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himself into an angle with these guys, and it just seems like the elite
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want nothing to do with it.
And I don't think they're being leaders.
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If that's the case in all and
across the board, Tony Kahn is not
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being a leader, Punk's not being
a leader. Members of the elite are
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not being leaders for this company,
and those are the people that should be
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because you know, when all this
drama is going on, it's affecting everybody
447
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.680
and it's making a do you look
really really bad in the press over the
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00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.759
last couple of days. So it's
it's mind boggling to me unless something riveting
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happenings on Dynamite Because as Doctor Trey
and I are recording this, Dynamites going
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on that turns this into a work. Yeah, they're shooting for no reason
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and it's just just stupid to me. It's bizarre. But here we are
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going Doctor Trey CMFT drama I like
to call it here on this week's edition
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of SRTU switching gears to things that
are drama, but it's actually stuff that
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writers have written. We'll go to
WI here. Jay usso closed out smacked
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down this past week, Super Kicking
Roman reigns Super Kicking Solo Sukoa looking like
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he was going to re embrace with
his brother Jimmy, who explained why he
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did it. He did not want
his brother to end up like Roman Reigns.
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That's why he costs him the match. Jay super kicks him, says
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I'm out of the Bloodline, I'm
out of SmackDown, and I'm out of
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w WE, and says deuces.
So this is the next layer, this
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next chapter of this storyline, Doctor
Trey and the fans again, I've been
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saying it. He is one of
the most captivating wrestlers and all professional wrestling
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00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.440
today. That is Jausso thoughts on
how that angle played out following Summer's landing
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with Jausso in the Bloodline. Really
well done hasn't been done? I mean
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the walking out of the company.
I'm done with this place. That's been
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done before. The layers of it's
a little bit different, and these storylines
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are great because what that does is
the absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.400
We've always talked about the biggest poss
we hear when guys come back. You
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want to elevate Jay Husso to being
a main event guy, like a legitimate
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main event guy. This is that
extra layer you can put on it.
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So, like, really well done. I think the last time we really
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had the walkout was yeah, yeah, and when he came back, huge
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reaction. I think they tried it
with Ziggler at one point when he was
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doing the no music thing and stuff
like that, but it didn't really the
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audience thing capture onto it because he
wasn't viewed in that light. But I
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00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.400
mean, you can go back to
even when they lose, re leaves,
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00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.680
town matches, things like that.
It's all a design to help get the
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baby faces over more. And this
is a perfect angle because uh, you
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00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.839
got the family drama, the brother
drama, the whole nine yards. It's
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00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.840
it's really it was a really really
good course to take when we thought,
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hey, like where are they going
to go with us next? I didn't
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see that walk out coming, so
good job by the writers to give me
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00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.800
something that I can sing my teeth
and do because was unexpecting. Yeah,
484
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.079
I mean the layer to this is
I did not expect Jimmy USO not to
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00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.360
side with the bloodline. That was
another layer to it that I really enjoyed.
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00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.320
The walkout was not expected far to
Jimmy yusso it was reunited with the
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bloodline. It was the complete one
eighty From that, his explanation made sense
488
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.719
Obviously it's not easy to cause your
brother the Universal Championship in the process as
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well. So overall it's just very
well executed, very well done, and
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where this goes from here leaves me
wanting to watch SmackDown on Friday, which
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is the most important thing. It's
like that close out angle is it leaving
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00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.679
you to wanting to see what the
product is going to do next? And
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it is great stuff all around.
Continued from the outline jus So, Jimmy
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Uso, Roman Rain Siloskoa, and
of course Paul Hayman. Carrying over to
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Monday Nights, Doctor Trey, it
was looking like it was gonna be Cody
496
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Rhodes to vie for the World Heavyweight
Championship next, but it appears to WW
497
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.280
is setting up Shinsk Nakamura to take
on Seth Freaking Rollins. We talked about
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a little bit on last week's podcast. Is Shinsk the right opponent to be
499
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:29.840
Seth Freaking rollins next challenger for the
World Heavyweight Championship. It's debatable, it's
500
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.880
arguable, Like for me, I'm
fine with it because if you're trying to
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00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.840
establish the credibility of the World Heavyweight
Championship, I still go back to what
502
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.039
I said before the last PLI and
you convinced me to change my pick.
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00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.239
You gotta get a little bit of
time on the championship. You can't hot
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00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.320
potato a brand new title around,
because then the fans are going, is
505
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.039
this like the twenty four seven title? We're gonna get like four champions in
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00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.400
three months? Because at one point
you and I talked on the show it
507
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.119
go from a Seth rolls the finn
Bella to Damian Priest really really quick.
508
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.440
Then you would have three world champions
in two days on a brand new title
509
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.599
belt. So to take somebody like
Shinske, who has credibility, who the
510
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:17.079
fans, the diehard fans love Shinsk's
last heel run I really enjoyed as well.
511
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.280
This is a guy that can jump
on both sides of fence. Matchup
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00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:27.000
with Seth is eccentric like Seth,
So to me, it's a good choice
513
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:31.239
if you're trying to establish a little
bit longer run for Seth. Plus,
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00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.159
Seth hasn't been babyfaced that long,
and if you throw him in there with
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a Cody, it splits the crowd
and you don't get that build up to
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00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.079
it. To me, is it's
a good way to keep Cody out of
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the world title picture for a little
bit longer until they go back to that
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00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.559
route. So I'm fine with it. Shinzk is an excellent worker. And
519
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.039
look, people on here and the
other chatboard are not you know, chats
520
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.840
social media. We've all bitshed about
shinsk not being in the picture for a
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00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.320
long time. Shinz case back in
the picture now, So kudos to Hunter
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00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.360
whoever was that elevated back up and
you're starting to see that come to your
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00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.719
fruition with his NXT favorites, you
know, jumping more into the limelight on
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00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.400
the main roster, slowly but surely. Yeah, you took my next point
525
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.119
I was gonna ask you, is
it's very telling that where coming out of
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one feud that was Finn Valor,
now the next feud is gonna be Shinska
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00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.960
Nakamora. It certainly feels like Triple
H is sending a message, and it's
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a message I can get behind because
that NX are with those guys was phenomenal
529
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:36.000
and I love seeing these Triple HS
guys getting an opportunity like Finn and shin
530
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.880
because they deserve it. They were
not booked well since the call up from
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NXT, and here they are now
shining and it's made for a very,
532
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.920
very fun product. So I'm excited
for Shinska Kaka More to get this opportunity
533
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.199
again. Yeah. And then even
if you look at SmackDown, the stuff
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00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.280
with EO Bailey Osca, you know
all of that stuff, those are all
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00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.400
Triple H people as well. In
the women's division, you look at like
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some of the others, like,
you know, we could get a Cody
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00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.880
Ripley, Yeah, and then we
can get Cody, Sammy and Kevin against
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Judgment Day. That's mostly Triple H
people. So it's kind of like watching
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00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:14.199
that elevation kind of comforted. We're
seeing Choppa back on TV, Bronson reads
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00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.280
on TV. Ricochet's getting a lot
of TV time, you know, we're
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00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:20.880
seeing some of the NXT guys like
Carmelo Haze, these other guys, bring
542
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.159
back Gargano, let's go yeah,
well yeah, and bring back Tag Team
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Wrestling full time in WW. So
it's tough. It's tough when both when
544
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.239
the champions are legitimately hurt, right
now, that's the unfortunate part. Well,
545
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.000
we got Drew and Riddle beating the
Viking Raiders, which I wasn't really
546
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.519
a fan of, but anyway,
they love those makeshift makeshift tag teams.
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00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:43.719
We'll have to see where they go
with the new day on this upcoming edition
548
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.559
of Monday Night Raw real quick here
doctor for the close up shop here talking
549
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.960
about people that are getting a opportunity
to JD mcdonne's now being shown in this
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00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:57.360
Judgment day feud yr and a on
that. I'm a ya on it because
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00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.760
JD mcdonn is a fantastic wrestler.
Most people who know who he is or
552
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.599
know who Finn is know that there's
a tie into that because they've actually talked
553
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.280
about it on NXT back in the
day when he wasn't j D mcdonna.
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00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.079
So and then it creates a little
bit more tension because now you feel like
555
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:21.440
it's the Dominic and Damian against the
Irish guys a little bit. So it
556
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:27.360
curates that friction as well. Maybe
a little too much JD on Monday Night,
557
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.280
but overall I think it's good for
the storyline. Yeah, yeah,
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00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.760
I agree. It's nice to see
him to get some shine. I am
559
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.119
a fan of JD mcdonna at school
seeing him because it makes sense for if
560
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.159
you know the history to add him
into the judgment day stuff. So there
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00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.440
you go. Lots of discuss here, CMFT drama leading the way, some
562
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.760
great stuff going on creatively in w
E on Ron SmackDown, and again just
563
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.599
full full on here with all the
ship with AW we discussed for most of
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the show. Aw's been doing great, and I'm excited for them to go
565
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:02.840
into All In and you know,
hopefully hopefully kill it here I mean,
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is that is that next week?
Now all In? We get ready for
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All In next week? Next week's
pretty sure? We do preview like we
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00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.039
do preview and prediction next week.
Yeah, wow, Okay, I'm hope.
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I'm hoping we get a few more
matches in now because I don't want
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to go into a preview prediction show
with like five matches. Yeah no,
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that would be bad. So because
we know that show's gonna go five hours,
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so we need to No, I'm
I'm with you. They need to
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have some more matches and the card
is looking a little lackluster right now.
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Not try to say, I mean
paper a couple of things even now.
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So I mean you're getting Adam calling
MJF. That's a fantastic matchup. You're
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getting the bucks in FTR. That's
fantastic. Maybe see him punk and uh
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samo Joe. Yeah. By the
way, I think if if Samoa Joe
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loses, he'll be that's new challenger, because that's the progression you get from
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Finn to Shinsk to Joe. Ok. Yeah, next thing you actually Shinsk,
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Finn and Joe. So he switched
the order a little bit. But
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once again, Uh, Samojoe starring
on a show on the Peacock Network,
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which you know that's where the WB
network is as well. I didn't realize.
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Speaking of samo Joe, I heard
the other day on Collision. I
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was watching Collision on DVR and Ian
Ricabani said that Samojoe was approaching five hundred
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days and as TV Champian like that, man, that can't be right.
586
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:28.039
He just joined the company. He's
been an aw for fifteen months. Yeah,
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April twenty twenty two. Yeah,
completely lost that. And then once
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again it's Samoa Joe. So he
was hurt for eight of those fifteen months.
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00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.000
I thought he's been healthy, he's
been hurt well for a while.
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He wasn't. Then it was like
he came in worked hurt, came back
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TV title, didn't see him on
TV for a while, and then back
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in when c Hi punk goes back
around back into the limelights. Though,
593
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No, no, he might not
have been hurt that much. I just
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I think he's doing the thing.
Yeah, and for most people, that's
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not seeing it at all. Yeah, that's not seeing I'm not paying on
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our club for nine to ninety nine
month to watch four episodes of their show.
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All right, Well, that said, let's get a couple plugs and
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spots out of the way. You
can down the show every Thursday or Friday
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at Real Guy Ray dot com,
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Show iTunes feed don't forget to Ray, review and subscribe to help help us
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climb the charts on iTunes. You
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at SRTU, Jeff for Doctor Trey, for Franklin at the Doctor Trey and
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of course don't follow the show on
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said, what is going on in
the wonderful world of Doctor tre Franklin this
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week? Oh, I'm just making
sure that we're out on a porn set,
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right, No, no, no, no, not you X Okay,
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all right, I just want to
make sure, but yeah, you
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can follow me on X for the
FKA, Twitter at the Doctor Trey.
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You can find me on Facebook as
the Graham Doctor Trey for Franklin be sure
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Jack Out, Rocket Stay Championship Wrestling
and It's Partner Championship Wrestling when you're on
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Facebook. Those guys put out some
really great shows. And then also I
612
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just had to say I am so
proud of Jeff Peck not because of marriage,
613
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not because of anything else other than
he finally said no to a wrestling
614
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show. He said no to Ring
of Honor in nine ninety nine a month,
615
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so I am very proud of Jeff. We're going that's one show too
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many for the value. So I'm
proud of man's got a nose. Limitations,
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Doctor Trey. It's I can't do
it. I just can't or I'm
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not going to see family anymore and
I'm mar right now, so I can't
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keep doing it. All right.
With that said, we will preview and
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predict aw all In live from Wembley
Stadium in London, England on next week's
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in the podcast two weeks from now, we'll obviously recap and review all in,
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and then we will also preve and
predict all out, which is that
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Sunday. So the next couple of
weeks is gonna be very aw donovant and
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hopefully it doesn't include more drama.
So all that and more in a very
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historic show coming up here for aw
to invade Wembley Stadium in about ten days
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or so. Exciting times for professional
lessaying, thank you for making us part
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of your week, thank you for
downloading this week the podcast and until next
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week for doc straight Franklin. I'm
Jeff Peck. This is just a real
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show, didn't