Cena’s Last Dance, Starks Takes Over & Why TNA vs. NXT Is Must-See Wrestling | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #816 – 10/02/25

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It's still really a big damage!

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What up, you!

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Welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's "Distinguished Estarilla" show

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Episode 816 for October 2nd, 2025

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What would your NXT No Mercy recap edition of "S" are?

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R-T-U

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I am one-up the show

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I am Jeff Peck

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Join every single week in my coach's lower, Dr. Franklin

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Dr. Trey

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By the time everybody downloads this

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They will know how our favorite team has did in the MLB post season, my friend

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It is weird to be recording this show as I think the Cubs game just started

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Your Yankees play at 7 o'clock in my time, I believe

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Yeah, 8 o'clock in mine thanks

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Yeah, it's literally like

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Win or go home for both teams tonight

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So it's a look, we can talk about wrestling because right now Jeff and I are completely stressed out

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I've already pulled all my hair out, I haven't had any for years because I've been a Cubs fan since I for 41 years

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Jeff just refuses to go back because he goes to Yankees stadium and sits in direct sunlight

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Yeah, that's true, and I just explode, literally explode

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As a human being, catch fire people may say

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Dr. Trey, the older we get right in your sports fandom

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And I experienced this last year with the Yankees, I've experienced it at times with the Packers when they made it

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I don't get as nervous as I used to or have the anxiety that I used to

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Unless it's like the ALCS, NFC Championship, Super Bowl World Series levels

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There's part of me that's obviously nervous and definitely wants the Yankees to defeat the boss and Red Sox tonight

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But I don't get as nervous as I used to as that's just age or we just like focus on other things in our lives right now

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I think part of us is like, so when I was a kid growing up and I'm a little bit older than you

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There was no wild card rounds, really

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So this is all kind of new, like if the Cubs got, you know, in 1984 when I became a Cubs fan

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It was literally like, NFCS right away

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There was only the National League West, the National League East, in AL West and AL East

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Whoever won those divisions, those two teams are squaring off for a chance to go the World Series

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So that was really stressful

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And then when they added in the one wild card team and had three divisions

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It's still a little bit nerve-racking but as the playoffs have expanded

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I have gotten less nervous because I'm just like, hey if we lose in the wild card round we weren't going to be good enough to get there anyway

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I think what it is is the closer you get to the championship, the more you can kind of taste it and want it and feel it

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But like right now this is still the wild card round

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I'm like we still got like two more rounds before we get to the World Series

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So if the Cubs don't make it this year, I'm like alright that's fine, they probably shouldn't have been there anyway

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So I just think the playoffs have diluted the early playoff fandom

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But the closer you get to the actual championship, the more it really sinks in and takes hold of you

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Yeah, it's just strange I think it's, you know, there's part of that where you're absolutely right

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I think there's too many rounds nowadays and in sports playoffs it's kind of lost that luster

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And I know the NFL just added like a 17 and my team benefited from that multiple years

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Now it just feels like it gets watered down like what are there 14 teams in the American League and Nationally in baseball

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And six of them make the playoffs like that's legitimately nearly half of every team makes it in the league

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So I don't know I mean I'm pumped up I love sports I love the playoffs I love games that are meaningful

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But yeah it's like the farther you are away from the championship rounds it's like I don't get as bent as I used to

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So I guess that's just part of the growth

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I was gonna come back next week if the Cubs and Yankees both win and we're in the divisional series that anxiety level kick up a little bit

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And then in two and a half weeks if they if for some reason the Cubs and Yankees make it to the championship series of their divisions

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Then we'll really be feeling it but yeah like early just early wild card round things like if you know I think the Cubs got swept a couple of years

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I think it might have been like 2019 or 2020 we got swept in the wild card round it didn't really phase me I was just like oh that sucks

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All right season's over I'll wait another you know nine months for baseball to start back up or three months for baseball start back up

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But that's a baseball the turnaround time so fast also season ends in like November and we're starting up in March

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So it's not like it's not like the NFL like if the Packers lose in December you're not seeing them again until September of the following year

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So there's just so much of a time lapse in the football season I think the football playoffs do get me a little more antsy than the baseball playoffs

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True that is true and what with baseball right like you know there's five games three games seven games NFL it's just one so yeah

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Yeah I definitely think that plays a big role into it and I think that makes a case for a AWW TNA

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It's time to bring back like playoffs right let's do some playoffs let's do King of the Ring again let's do continental classic

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I guess the closest thing to like a championship round we're getting Dr. Trey is in what 10 days with Cronjul where it's champion versus champion

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And I guess in a way NXT versus TNA in their showdown in in next week next Tuesday

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Yeah I mean King of the Ring now with having a world title matches on the line does increase that anticipation the rumble

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The rumble to me has always been like WW's playoff like you got 30 guys or 30 women one spot

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And it's basically you know it's kind of like you know do or die like if you don't win you don't get that shot

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So that's kind of the closest comparison the continental classic I like it but it's kind of like the G1 in New Japan

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Where's like if you're not paying attention to the point totals it kind of throws you off like I like the Owen the Owen Hart Memorial tournaments

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I like those the King I like the more win and go home March Madness style

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Yeah I think these round robin accumulate points like TNA used to do that as well they had one of their tournaments

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And like that kind of led to battle for glory whereas like round robin everybody wrestles everybody who has the most points advances

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It's like NASCAR NASCAR has the same system and I just hate it because I lose track of you know where everybody's at

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Well yeah I mean I grew up as a big NASCAR fan I've no idea how the playoff system works nowadays and I also don't watch it as much as I used to but it's another podcast for another day

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But yeah so that's what's going on the one for World of Doctor for I can myself this week here lots to go on but by the time most of you listen

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And it's probably all of you listen to this you will know the result of Cubs Padres and Yankees Red Sox

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So you're hearing this before we know what the hell is going on so I guess from both Dr. Treni hello to the future

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Moving along here Dr. Treni we had NXT no mercy this past Saturday from the the War Memorial in Fort Lauderdale Florida

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Javon Evans defeated Josh Bragg's Soul Rooka defeated Jada Parker to retain the women's speed championship

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Jordan Grace defeats Blake Monroe in a weapon I steal cage match

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Ethan Page defeats Tavion Evans to retain the NXT North American championship

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JC Jand defeats Lola vice to retain the NXT women's championship and Ricky Saints defeats Oba Femi to win the NXT championship

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I guess the first point in the overall show Dr. Treni I must say I thought this was a like you know a step up of a regular solid addition of NXT

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It's not something that I would like go back to and rewatch it certainly didn't blow my socks off in any type of way

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But I just thought like oh that was a really solid and fun wrestling show by the end of the night did you feel the same way when you watch no mercy this past Saturday

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Yeah I mean the weapon I steal cage matches cool because you wouldn't see that on regular NXT programming

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But all the other matches I felt like hey these could be main events of regular Tuesday night shows

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Yeah maybe not Oba Femi Ricky Saints because they do try to keep the NXT title matches for you know PLEs but I thought the Saints Femi match and then Jordan Grace Blake Monroe those were a little bit special in just not regular programming type matches

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But everything else I agree with you kind of felt like a souped up addition of a NXT on Tuesday nights

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What do you think about Ricky Saints defeating Oba Femi to win the NXT Championship? That is probably the one match I did not enjoy

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I thought the finish looked like it came out of nowhere Ricky was working the underdog which as he should for most of the match

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And it like took the tornado DDT off the ropes to just get the one two three and it shocked me it shocked the audience watching live

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I'm sure it shocked most people watching not the best finisher but he can't get the Rochembo on Oba Femi in any type of way

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What did you think of the match and were you surprised by the result that they've gone forward with giving Ricky Saints the NXT Championship?

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So I thought the match was like it wasn't a bad match but it wasn't a great match and I think part of it is

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Oba Femi has a little bit of the Brock Lesnar type field to him back when Lesnar was just dominating everybody and we just used to expect Oba Femi to lose

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And then we seen Oba Femi like kick out of stuff way worse than a tornado DDT

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Like when was the last time we saw a tornado DDT as a finisher like Ultimo Dragon and WCW in 98

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Like I mean that's like it just doesn't it just kind of felt like he was like oh crap times running short

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Guys come up with something to send the match home

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It just it we've never seen Ricky Saints use it as a finisher

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We've never really even seen it seen him use it for as a false finish

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Because it's just not a move that people use anymore like that

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So I mean this is Oba Femi how many how many how many of a Javon's cutters did Oba kick out of just a few weeks ago like three

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And then here's a tornado DDT that does them in it's like that guys like that just seemed a little bit of a weak finish

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Like I get you can't get the Rochambo but use somebody else's finisher

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Like if Ricky Saints use the Crossroads right there I don't think you and I would have batted an Iaxe

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We're like oh Cody helped train Ricky Saints it makes sense there you go an alternate finisher it would have worked

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But to use a tornado DDT kind of makes it feel a little lackluster

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I'm not surprised that they put the belt on Ricky Saints because it kind of feels like he's there

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I don't know I don't want to say Golden Boy of NXT but it does kind of feel like look we we see a lot in him

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We think he can do a lot down the line on the main roster I think they just he's one of those guys they just kind of have a bunch of faith in to do all the right stuff in a couple of years on the main roster

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So I'm not shot by the finish or the but the result but the way they got to the result was kind of surprised

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Yeah that that was certainly it was like just anti-climatic in every way possible and not a very good match

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The future of Oba Femi here Dr. Trey is one that is being obviously discussed when you see something like this take place you often wonder is the next step the main roster

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Do you expect to see Oba Femi on Smackdown this Friday or even Raw this upcoming Monday now?

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No I think if I'm them I start getting unprepared for the rumble and let him make his full time main roster debut at the rumble

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I mean keep him off TV from now until late January

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I mean you can you I mean kind of like what they do with Braun Breaker a little bit they you know they put him in the tag team with you know at Baron Corbin for a little bit

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You can have him still be on the peripheral to keep the ring rust off but I just hold off I just hold off on doing the full move to the main roster until in the rumble and then let you know Pearson all this fight out for who gets to sign Oba Femi to the main roster you know post rumble

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I think on that stage you I mean right now I mean where do you fit him in like everybody's kind of tied up in storylines for the most part

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So if you bring him up now you're just kind of shoe-horringing him in or you're letting him squash jobbers for you know a couple of months

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So I would just kind of hold him off and then just use the rumble as like the starting point

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We've talked about a fourth person for the vision I think you have him debut next weekend during the crown jewel main event between Seth Rollins and Cody Rhodes where he helps Seth Rollins out

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And he joins the vision because then you've got Rollins Bronson Braun Breaker Oba Femi four people I think we're going to get a five person war games match

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And that's where I think Brock Lesnar gets involved

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I would have Oba debut next weekend inside with Seth Rollins and the vision

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And that's not a bad idea if you're wanting to go ahead and move Braun Breaker over to a baby face sooner than later

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Because right now on paper if I look at that team I go you got Bronson Reed, Braun Breaker, Oba Femi and Brock Lesnar along with Seth Rollins

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Like I don't really care who the other side throws like there's no way you're beating those guys

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Like that's just too massive of a team

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So that's why I would kind of hold them off until you're ready to kind of spin

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And we've seen teasing of that over the last couple weeks of once again of Braun Breaker and Seth not seeing eye to eye

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Like I wait till you make that move full fledged and then you have Seth sets back up for Braun leaving be Oba Femi

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So then you get Oba Femi and Braun Breaker before you get to Braun in Seth Rollins

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Feel free to chime in at SRTU podcast on X with what you think is the next steps for Oba Femi when it comes to his time in World Wrestling Entertainment

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Keeping with NXT, Dr. Trey was announced during no mercy that we would be getting NXT Invasion on October 7th

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That has now changed to showdown because I guess Invasion very poorly timed

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I guess October 7th was like this two year anniversary of Hamas invading Israel

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So there were some folks that were thought it was obviously ill timed and have been insensitive

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I'm not here to really question that, however what I will say personally is it's like I don't see two things as the same

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I just look at it as a pay-per-view name for a very nostalgic and important pay-per-view both good and bad

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When you look back at 2001 Invasion so I was pretty stoked for that

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Nonetheless it's a showdown now Dr. Trey we have a Survivor Series style match for both the men, the women, Mustafa Ali

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We're turning to NXT to challenge Ethan Page for the NXT North American Championship

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You've got the Hardy Boys, take it on Dark State for a title for Title Match this Tuesday

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I'm gonna say Dr. Trey, I am a sucker for this

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I think this is some of the best stuff in all of professional wrestling right now I think the last three weeks of wrestling in general has been kind of weak

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And I don't know if that's them trying to recover or just stay afloat with football back and baseball playoffs now taking shape

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And the NBA returning soon and NHL returning soon nonetheless I feel like the TNA NXT stuff has been some of the most intriguing and entertaining stuff I've seen on television

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Your thoughts as we approach the showdown in the upcoming Tuesday

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And well-written stuff like Mustafa Ali reminding folks that he had a North American title shot two years ago

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Like that made a ton of for guys like us like I eat that stuff up I'm like way to tie that in

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Like Kalani Jordan being a captain of you know TNA and Jordan Grace like on the opposite side like that stuff is great

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I love that stuff just really well written storyline for this stuff

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I think it's funny that you mentioned the invasion thing is what it reminded me of and it was right after 9/11

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And they were using let the bodies hit the floor as one of the songs and people made them take that song off because it was too close to 9/11

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And for somebody to throw a thing and like I can't believe they're using the word invasion two years after the deadly terrorist attacks

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Like wrestling is not real life you have to be reminded the fact that you have to be reminded that these two things are not the same is kind of sad

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But you know otherwise like the last three weeks of NXT programming has been really really well done

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Even getting the you know the miles born Josh Briggs match

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You know the other night that was great like tying it all together making the storylines fit

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And giving some good writings to explain why people are doing what they're doing or citing with who they're citing with is really cool

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Plus you know seeing Matt Cardona in NXT is really cool seeing the hearties back in NXT seeing Mustafa Ali

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Like seeing a lot of these you know long time WWE stalwarts making their return to NXT on the side of TNA

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I mean it's something that I didn't think I'd ever see happen so it's really cool television in that regard as well

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Yeah now it's been a lot of fun and it's been enjoyable and what's really cool about this Dr. Trey is this is like the legitimate first time I could really think of

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That two wrestling promotions have gone head to head and they're in or at least in some time I'm sure there's some historical context out there

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I think ROH and CCW is one that is reminiscent of this back in the mid 2000s

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Where it's two promotions that are not under the same umbrella so that's what has this really intriguing for me

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And I hope by the end of showdown that it's reflective well for both companies both companies look strong

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I don't want like NXT to steamroll TNA I don't think TNA would steamroll NXT in this scenario

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I just think it's more NXT potentially steamroll in TNA

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So I'm intrigued by that if I had any complaints about it

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Kalani Jordan heading up team TNA for the women is not the way I would approach it I do feel like there's been some creative

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And some personal issues behind the scenes that have caused this change

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So Ash by elegance had to the former Dan and Brooke had to bow out of the match at the most recent TNA pay-per-view due to injury

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Masha Slamovitch is on her way out of TNA and there's been some personal accusations levied towards her

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So TNA is obviously put in their distance

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I would have liked to see an ATNA homegrown talent doing this rather than a NXT talent

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And I was like wondering to myself why are they doing this and then I remembered, oh it's title Tuesday

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Tuesday for AEW Dynamite so NXT and TNA versus AEW

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Any additional thoughts there to the showdown show on Tuesday Dr. Kray?

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Now I had the same thoughts about the Kalani Jordan thing at first because I was like well it's kind of where the she's heading up team TNA

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But like you said with Masha Slamovitch on her way out

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Ash by elegance haven't take some time off

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They really didn't have anybody that could step up that would be familiar to an NXT crowd except for Kalani Jordan

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That has been working that side

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I thought it would be cool if JC Jain had jumped over and had a bad team and then have Jordan Grays end up the NXT team

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But outside of that I'm just really pumped for the show because I am curious

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Like WWE NXT is kind of getting a lot of the TNA titles

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Like how far are they willing to go with this?

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As far as I mean I already put the TNA titles on Dark State

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I was like how far are we going to do this?

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I think the opposite

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I think you're getting some NXT titles to be finally put on TNA guys

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And I would not be shocked if Mustafa Ali gets his title put on him

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Yeah I'm with you on that one and I would be surprised to see the Hardy still steal the belts from Dark State

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Because they're an attraction in both brands

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So the flip side could be the truth and all of a sudden you got Trick Williams TNA Champion

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Like there's not a whole lot left other than

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That's the only one that's not really on the line

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So if it goes almost all WWE NXT then maybe next week we're saying you're going

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It feels a little one sided

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Even though these guys are getting the publicity and getting the notice that they so richly deserve

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It's feeling a little what's that

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I saw Mousse come out and say that how well the partnership is gone

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Between these two brands that was better than the AEW partnership

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And people slam him for that because

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But it always felt one sided that the AEW stuff was going to get more over than the TNA stuff

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So hopefully we come out as a little bit of balance where both sides come out feeling like winners

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Yeah it's kind of wild that there's like a TNA World Championship on a WWE star right now

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A AAA mega championship on a WWE star right now

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And those two titles run AW talent like less than five years ago

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No so crazy how things change

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That's right one last point I'll bring up here too is it's very noticeable that the TNA talent that is showing up on WWE television right now are former WWE talent

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Do you like that? Do you find that intriguing or would you like to see some straight up TNA talent like a Mousse

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Like a Leon Slater Mike Santana who've also showed up on NXT television

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Be the ones that are leading the charge rather than the former Jacquara Jackson the inspiration Matt Cardona

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Guys who were literally in WWE not too many years ago

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It's a little bit of both I guess like I went when they did the TNA guys came out a couple of weeks ago

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I did see Mansour Warner in the crowd

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At the TNA homegrown guy Leon Slater is actually wrestling Javan Evans for the exhibition title here before long

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So there is some crossover but it's more the homegrown guys are kind of staying on the TNA shows

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And the XWW guys are doing the invasion thing

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And in a way it makes sense because it's like you know the crowd already kind of knows who these guys are

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And you don't have to go back in and try to build credibility in these matchups for those people who don't watch TNA

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So like most of the NXT crowd knows who everybody is that has shown up for this invasion angle

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They're like oh that's just so and so I was like wait I don't know who Laney Reed is

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I didn't know a lot about her

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They're just expecting the TNA audience to know who they are

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Not all TNA audience watches NXT

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So you know give those TNA, give those NXT guys a little bit of background

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You know when you're explaining who they are where on the NXT television you don't have to explain who these WWE guys

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It's like one part cool, one part awkward

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Jakar Jackson was released not too many months ago now she's wasn't my rescade in TNA

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I don't remember her name, Mustafa Ali was in WWE a year ago

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It was reportedly supposed to be the next North American champion before his title shot was abruptly ended

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He was wrestling Dom, he was actually supposed to wrestle Dom

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And then they cut him and then like Shawn Michaels was vehemently upset about that

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Same thing with it's gonna be strange for Cardona and the inspiration, the former iconix to be back in the WWE roof for a period of time

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But also I feel like there has to be almost a redemption story as well where it's like you don't need WWE to be relevant

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And they are people that have showcased that

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So really good for the show this coming Tuesday, yeah go ahead Dr. Try

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I was like, how much redemption from Mustafa Ali does it have to feel that that character he's doing now is who he wanted to do in WWE

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And he's actually getting the showcase it, it's getting over, it's working

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And then he gets to come back now and show like I was right this would have worked here as well so I love that for him

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No I do too, I'm always pro wrestler when it comes to these situations so it's gotta be very very cool for them

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Also like putting like a big FU back to WWE for letting go in the first place and letting now that here they are

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I'm very successful in a new brand that is just up to be partnering with WWE

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One former WWE star who will not be landing in TNA, Dr. Try is Andrade

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He was released, we didn't bring it up on the show

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He was reportedly released and this was confirmed this morning following his redebue

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That he was cut for multiple wellness violations in WWE when he was under contract and they just cut him no 90 day clause

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Hence why he showed up on AW Dynamite last Wednesday night to attack Kenny Omega and join the Don Callis family

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Dr. Try, I don't know how to feel about Andrade, I think he is extremely talented

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Should have been or should be a world champion at some point

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It just feels like when the going gets tough or and this is just me, I have no indications of this on the outside looking in

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But this is just me as a fan looking from what I see

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When he wanted to leave WWE he was complaining and got his way to leave and he pops up in AW

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When his time in AW wasn't going well he was complaining and wanted to go back to WWE and return in WWE

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When he was in WWE he reportedly botched his return in WWE because he had multiple wellness violations

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I thought the stuff with he and Ray Phoenix was intriguing

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Especially under the guise that there was wellness violations reportedly involved from his release

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How do you make heads around Andrade returning to AW his release from WWE and just overall how his career has gone like these last five years

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Andrade right now in a sense kind of feels like a big show to me who right now is a big show to be a baby face to heal back and forth all the time

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Andrade just with companies right now

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It's like it's weird in a sense that both of these companies had him on their roster

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Both companies basically let him go and didn't really fight to keep him and then both companies have welcomed him back

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So I don't know how to, right now he kind of feels like an NFL wide receiver

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You know like oh I'm not getting the ball thrown at me they complain they come in and let him go

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And then the next team picks him up he does really well for a bit and then things don't go his way

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He complains the team lets him go and the other side picks him up again is just he's one of the most talented wrestlers on the planet

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Like there really aren't very many bad on Draught A matches on either brand I could remember

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Like he's one of the smoothest in-ring competitors of all time

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It's kind of like oh let's see he's like the Antonio Brown of professional wrestling in a lot of ways

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Like he just super talented but like he just gets in his own way so much

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And part of it is like well he came back to W2B and for all indications he was still married to Charlotte

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And maybe he thought coming back it helped fix the marriage and it obviously didn't work

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Once you're there and you're seeing your ex-wife around the building all the time it's got to get in your head a little bit

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So I don't blame him for trying to find the right path but I don't know if either these American companies is the right path for him

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Maybe the and then what's he in W2B owns AAA what's he going to do?

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Go to CMLL go overseas in New Japan like not that it's a monopoly but when all these companies are working under two big umbrellas

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Like you got five or six companies now working under two big umbrellas

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There aren't a lot of options for you so you gotta kind of always make sure you're not burning bridges

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But at the same time at some point you're gonna look at that bridge and go man that thing's falling apart

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I don't need to keep crossing it

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Yeah his career has been definitely disappointed I love the comparison of Antonio Brown

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Because again I mean go back to 2016 17 NXT

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The vibe was like I'm trying to be your next big Hispanic star I would have guessed that he would have had at least one or two runs as a world champion in the next five to ten years in World of Rest Entertainment

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The wellness violations we don't know the details but it's not great one way or another I mean there's a reason why the company was like enough is enough

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There's other reports out there that he showed up to Smackdown in no state to perform

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So he was escorted out of the building that was the last time people saw him I think from the AW standpoint if this is the true case

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Then I think AW is doing a disservice to one dry day the person granted again we don't know exactly what this is all about

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But if he has some sort of substance abuse issue issue then they should be letting him get the help that he needs and not putting him back on television

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I'd prefer AW go you know what yes we'll sign you we'll bring you back but it's under these guys in these stipulations and you gotta go to rehab if it's necessary based on whatever is going on with them

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I think putting him back on television with this out in the open right now is a little bit of a black eye for AW

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And you're about to say something Dr. Trey?

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Yeah I was just saying I mean for one though he has to want to get help because JV has one of the best rehab programs there is

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I mean how many guys have come out and said WWE saved their life because of their rehab programs

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You know I know Jeff Hardy mentioned it several like a Zach Galen mentioned it like if it wasn't for the WWE's rehab program they probably wouldn't be here today

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So you know I get AEW one something because you got to remember the first kind of a classic he was heavily featured in that

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You know he was one of the you know I think he was in the semi finals of that whole thing you know that Eddie Kingston am winning

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So he's a guy that they have they they featured at times but because he got to come ahead in case they're he got pushed down the card a bit

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So I can see it's one of his head it's one of his things we're like talent always will get opportunities

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If somebody is supremely talented as something they're always gonna get chances because somebody thinks they can fix it

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But that person has to want to be fixed and if Andrade doesn't think he has a problem he's not going to rehab it if he doesn't think you know we don't know what wellness policy he violated

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Because I thought if I'm not my second didn't WWE finally allow like legalized the marijuana I believe sell

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Yeah so it's got to be something harder than that because otherwise it could be steroids for all we know to try to be fair

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But does he look like a guy who's on steroids he's pretty bulky man he's got he's got that wide shoulder to shoulder range

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He ain't brought he ain't Brock Lesnar or all the family brought

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Well I think that's different body types I would say but I mean this thing it could it could be anyone those things I don't like speculating on it

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But you know if a guy's violating multiple wellness policy things and he doesn't think he has a problem he's not going to try to get help or get off that stuff

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And just companies are going to take chances on him because they're going to think they can fix the problem

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And you know hindsight being 2020 maybe Tony Conway you know we could have done this with Andrade we could have done this

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Putting him with Don Callis is brilliant because then Andrade doesn't talk the best versions of Andrade we got was when he had a manager whether it was Zelina Vega or somebody else

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Those were the best versions of him we got so maybe this is a way of like hey we just want you to come in you're going to wrestle

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Don's going to do all the talking just come in and do what you do best which is performing the ring and maybe we get that side of Andrade to shine which is the best version of him

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The thing is it's like if he screws this up it's like where does he able to do he's going to bounce back to WWE again I don't know

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He goes off and forms a tag team without Bernal Del Rio

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Listen, it's not too far off of like comparisons of like career trajectory and it just so happens to be that like they're major Hispanic stars

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So it's pretty surprising that he's like following that part because Del Rio should be an example to any wrestler Hispanic are not like this is not the way that you should be like your trajectory of your career because Del Rio was a world champion has some clear admitted and also reported substance abuse issues

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And he has basically been written out of professional wrestling rightfully so if the domestic violence allegations levied his way are factual nonetheless

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Andrade is back in A.W. We were surprising I mean just another point that I'll make is Tony Khan has said like listen we don't want to bring people from the other company over here that are just looking to get back into the other company

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Andrade was legitimately one of those people was like Miro him and Malachi Black

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Now Alistar Black and Rusev and it's just was very surprising they brought him back with all the stuff that is going on portally behind the scenes

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Moving back to WWE Dr. Trey we have Crown Jewel next weekend I simply ask you you got Rollins vs. Rhodes champion vs. Champion

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Do you get excited for these main event matches in the Crown Jewel match?

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Championship matches themselves?

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So I meant to ask you this last week when you were saw our Crown Jewel is the winner getting the ring again the big ring as they said

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Yes they are in the and that like crazy bell

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Okay so but the crazy bell doesn't stay with them they just get to keep the ring

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Because nobody in America ever saw the crazy belt again after the last Crown Jewel champion vs. Champion stuff

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We saw the belt that night and that was pretty much it so I didn't know if there was a ring ceremony like they do like with the Masters where like Liv Morgan has to come out and give the winner a ring or something

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But like on one hand I'm excited about because look Seth Rollins and Cody Rhodes I mean that when Cody first came in those three matches were fantastic

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So I'm excited for that match Tiffany and Stephanie is interesting in the sense of it's two of the young stars

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This is the kind of the next generation of the evolution women's wrestling

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I mean this is the next generation after the four horse women taking center stage

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So I'm excited to see how they perform on this stage because this is one of the first times that those girls haven't had one of the vets in the ring with them

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You know we've seen Stephanie with EO Sky EO Sky although maybe not a long 10 year W.E. wrestler

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Almost 15 years of experience in big moments you know we have and Tiffany's had Charlotte and Naya and some of the other ones that she's been the ring with

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You know so this is the two young stars getting a chance to shine on their own without that vet maybe carrying them through the match or helping them through the match

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So I'm excited in the sense of I want to see how that one goes and then Cody and Seth are we going to tie in with any of their storylines or they just keep this thing completely separate from everything else they've been doing

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And just keep this one in a bubble by itself and then Afro Crown Jewel go right back into their previous storylines

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Yeah these matches that are really intriguing to me I love the build for Rhodes versus Rollins I love the history behind them

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And how they're making it part of this match and there are some major storyline ramifications with this match

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I think this is a match that leads to something at war games

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Six weeks four or five six weeks later

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As for that core versus Strang I look at this match is like the future of the potential future of women's wrestling

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I mean these are two women that two years ago one was in the company and the other one was dominating NXT in Tiffany Strang

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So that's pretty exciting and pretty wild and like you just have to tip your hat to WWE in that sense that they're able to take two people who were not either on the roster signed by WWE or were in NXT dominating there

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And here they are two years later they both have each have a championship in our vine for this Crown Jewel championship so I'm looking forward to a doctor try

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I like that they do this and I like that it's an annual thing just like anything with WWE I just hope that there's some consistency with this

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And this is a regular occurring event and matches that we see from this point forward

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Yeah I thought it was funny when I first saw it was like oh it's Crown Jewel but it's in Perth

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And I'm like I thought Crown Jewel was named just because it's in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia but no no no no because we have these giant rings

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That's the jewel I guess but up

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Yeah to me I was looking at that Stephanie match I'm like when was the last time that we had I mean technically both tiles aren't being defended

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But I mean this is a main event women's match on a PLE that doesn't have Rhea EO, Bianca, Bailey, Becky, Charlotte, Alexa

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Like none of those seven all future Hall of Famers not in this match or not in this main event level match so it's kind of like you were saying like it's kind of like hey this is what is probably going to be a main event

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And the WrestleMania match in two or three years with these two women they're just happening doing it right now early in their careers

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That's really a testament to the development department, the development department of WWE taking two people like you said

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Stephanie was on the roster two years ago Tiffany's only been wrestling five years

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And she's main eventing a PLE in Australia against another women's champion that's pretty cool

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Yeah I don't think anybody does development better than WWE quite honestly and people may hate that comment but look at the roster nowadays

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It's phenomenal what they've done the PC is great I am one that is all for the independence ours getting some love and some time in there

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But as the years have gone on 15-20 years the independence is slowly not what it used to be where there's not as many household names as it used to be for die hard wrestling fans

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And WWE is able to take a lot of these athletes and turn them into legit stars and really credible stars so really really cool

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And this is a case of you got someone who was developed in WWE in Tiffany's run and then you've got someone who was able to travel the world

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Like one of those rare independent stars in Stephanie Vaughan who was able to do this in New Japan and CMLL and be successful

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And here she is now taking on Tiffany's run so it's like a mixture of the future of wrestling of an independent talent who was able to make it big and get into WWE and someone who was a developmental talent who has made it big

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And been a successful wrestler in WWE

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Last thing I want to bring up here Dr. Trey it is a official John Cena's final match is going to be on Saturday and it's main event on December 13th in Washington DC

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We're going to have plenty of time to talk about this Dr. Trey but did the announcement give you any indication on who you think the final opponent should be on December 13th for John Cena?

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Donald Trump

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Ooh, returning to the ring for the first time since 2020

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Yeah, hall of fame and I mean it was weird like to me it reminds me like I was like man I really the nostalgia person in me really wanted to miss

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Because I go back to capital punishment I think was with 2005, 2008 somewhere in there and that was it was Cena and Rock against Miz and Truth I believe was a capital punishment or might have been just Cena and Truth but I know Cena Rock was survivor series because I was there

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Okay so with the Cena Rock versus Miz and Truth was that that was that match right?

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That was Cena Rock, Miz and Truth was that's a survivor series or the capital punishment was Cena versus Truth

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I don't think it's either it's got to be either Gunther or I don't say Rusev but that Rusev Cena flag match for WrestleMania repeat but it's got to be something kind of patriotic you're in

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You know the nation's capital it's got to be something kind of patriotic

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You know Cena waving the flag and you know going up against Gunther and you know something like that or Los Americanos it might be a one on three handguards who knows

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But yeah this is got to be like the USA send off or well I mean I was kind of bummed out that it wasn't the Boston show because it would be cool to see him go out in his hometown

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Roughly his hometown area so that was a little disappointing but you know we you know WWE fans are super patriotic we love our country and if Cena can do his last match I mean hell I don't even want I want them to do it outside under the Washington monument

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But I know it'll be 37 degrees and that's too cold but you know something like that I will see somebody get thrown into the Potomac

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It's something crazy something really really fun little send off for somebody but yeah it's crazy that we only have roughly two and a half months of John Cena left as a pro wrestler

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And that's kind of got me not in my fields but now I'm kind of running through the history of John Cena and I'm like man like this magic crown jewel M&A J will be cool

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You know who who is the last opponent going to be like where do we go from here but it all ties in together this is all part of TKO thing because I know the Trump's been pushing to get a UFC event like at the White House

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So you know it's one of those things we're like hey if we can make this where we can make anything work

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Yeah I think Gunther is probably a leading horse candidate I would say Brock Lesnar in a rematch could be one that you could see but I think that they did that result that Russell Pellus it to build Lesnar up rather than set up for a later match like we presumed at one point or at least I did

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One person that I'll throw out here just a dream match doctor try I put this at like less than 2% like it's 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9% chance of happening because it's in Washington DC

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How about the animal Batista he does not have the muscle mass that he does if anybody seen any recent pictures of him from running the right carpet it is not the Batista that you know and love

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And he did have his last match at wrestling 35 against triple A and triple H is retired but talking about somebody who is like a dream opponent that's part of that lineage of Johnson that would be pretty cool if it was Batista but I put that as a very low under 1%

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I'm going with Gunther as a leader in the clubhouse doctor try

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Yeah for me I mean if you want to make a big debut there's your oboe feme

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Wow that would be something yeah you know and then you're launching this guy's career by you know having this you know seen as fair well match I mean hell we we all want a

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Kurt Angle and Johnson for Kurt Angles farewell match we got Kurt Angle and Baron Corbin so I just hope it's not something disappointing like that like although you know like I love the

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C-C-N-Bron breaker go at it for seen his last match something to kind of launch the net whoever they're picturing to be the next guy to kind of carry the company that's who I kind of want and Gunther might be that guy Gunther's you know universally love by almost

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anybody in the company so he might be the right guy also I mean if I'm John Cena though I'd rather wrestle brawn breaker than my last match taking chops from Gunther

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That is true you don't want that that chest to be completely bright red when he's wishing everybody goodbye because you know he's going to get a lot more time on Saturday and it's made a

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month in Goldberg did but nonetheless I'm sure Goldberg won't complain about that at all all right with that said Dr. Trey let's wrap up this week's edition of SRT you as there'll be plenty of times to discuss over here the next two months

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