CM Punk has been fired, WWE Payback & AEW All Out Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #708 – 9/7/23

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It's still welcome, everybody. Welcome
to this week's edition is a real post

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show Episommer seven or eight or September
seven, twenty twenty three. What would

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your given week paid back? In
eight of you All Out Weekcap and Review

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edition of ass Are You? I
am one? After Show? I am

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Jeff Pack joined every single week by
calls one my doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor

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Trey, did you feel friend at
work? My friend? Did you just

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legitately ask me that question based on
what we talked about off air? I

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tied in some wrestling and I tied
it in real life? Yeah, Oh

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my gosh, I love you.
By the way. That was. I

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thought you're gonna say, did I
get into a fight with big time Benny

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Lopez or uk Stu or Hey,
I was waiting for you ask me if

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I got fired with Cause and I
was gonna make a Chris Cause joke.

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But no, no, no,
Jeff goes to my real life and asked

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me if I felt the Reddoe work. So not anymore because God knows.

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Like I told you all fair,
I'm the best damn promo guy in the

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South, and there's nobody that can. I'll talk me when a jar gets

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involved. Hey, for what it's
worth, guys, I can can either

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confirm nor deny if Doctor Trey was
in the gorilla position, aw all in

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and felt threatened by a now former
employee of All Elite Wrestling. More on

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that in a bit. We got
a lot of ground to cover up.

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Let's get into w W Payback recap
review coming to us live this past Saturday

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from the PPG Paints Arena in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvanian, also hosted by the one

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and only John Cena. First match, Becky Lynch defeats Tristratus in a steelcage

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match. We both had, Becky
Lynch, Doctor Trey. What a great

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match. This few is track don
a little too long, but this match

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made up for it. I think
this is a top ten match in twenty

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twenty three right now in my opinion. Zoe turning on Trish was a surprise.

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I've been happy for her being in
this position since coming from NXT.

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I absolutely love this match, Doctor
Treys. Becky Lynch defeats Trish in a

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steel cage. This may outside of
edge, This may have been the best

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performance by a w W Hall of
Famer in a match in ever like edge

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and Trish just showed like what was
like to still be a Hall of Famer,

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is still be able to stay on
par with people literally almost half their

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eight Like, this was an amazing
match to me. This was top three

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women's match of the year, easy, like maybe top two, maybe not

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number one, but not two and
top three. Fantastic match, great storytelling.

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I mean the ass kicking that both
ladies took in this match, the

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toll it took on their bodies,
that that freaking egg that was growing out

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of Tricia's head as the match went
on, Evan's still taking Zoe's finisher after

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the match, Like, what a
tremendous performance by everybody involved, Like this,

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I didn't know if anything was going
to top this match. I thought

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I thought the show is over at
this point because I'm like, I don't

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know if anyby can top this match, isn't It was just that good?

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It was amazing, really really good
matches. Becky Lynch defeats Tris Stratus.

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Next match, here is Lni defeating
the miss. We'd both at l Anike

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and the victory and the special guest
referee This one was John Cena. Fine

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match and a tough act to follow
after that great cage match seem to be

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involved as a special guest referee was
a great move to help continue elevate l

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A Night scene a giving night.
The endorsement was a nice moment, and

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there's also been reports today that La
Night has reportedly resigned with w W for

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a five year extension that will helped
make him one of the biggest baby faces

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in the company going forward. Lani
defeats the Miss Doctor Trey. This match

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showed me how good the Miss isn't
the ring and that La Knights still kind

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of maybe isn't as good of a
worker as we hoped. He was like,

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he's good, but I don't know. I watched a match. I'm

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like, missus carrying this match,
and he's kind of carried this rivalry,

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so I thought it was an e
match. I did not like it for

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the l and I character because it
took John Cena getting into verbal diet tribes

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with the Miss to help La Night
get the win. I just didn't think

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it was a good evening for La
Night with the in ring performance and how

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they had the match going on.
The highlight for him was literally post match

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at the end or at the on
the ramp where Scena goes it's your moment

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and walked off and l A n
I got a whole forty five seconds by

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himself before he walked back to the
back. Yeah, it was. It

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was. People are comparing it to
Hogan raising the rocks hand Rock raising Seea

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his hand and then Sena has raised
hand of both Cody and Laight. I

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saw that photo over the weekend.
I don't know if it's at that level

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yet, but it's a very big
deal when John Cena is raising your hand

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because it's somewhat of a torch passing
or at least some sort of endorsement pat

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on the back. It's like,
hey, now they'll get your stuff and

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do your thing in this position.
Next match, here is ray Masterio defeating

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an Austin Theory to retain the w
United States Championship. We both at ray

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Masterio getting victory. Solid an enjoyable
match. I liked how they executed the

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finish. This one good stuff by
Rain Theory. Your thought, Yeah,

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I really yeah, I really liked
this match as well. I thought it

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was really well done. I feel
bad for Theory because everything's WrestleMania is.

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It feels like he's kind of dipped
back down a little b again. But

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explain to me real quick. Jeff, as a longtime wrestling fan. Theory

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beats John Cena at WrestleMania, and
John Cena picks of all the matches to

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be the special guest referee and not
Austin Theories match, and it's the match

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right after the one he was in. So I thought that was a little

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bit like maybe Seena should have said
something or done something to kind of get

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back a little bit from the WrestleMania
stuff, because fans don't forget that stuff.

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So I just I didn't like the
placement. I guess maybe that match

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was seen a being on screen right
before that match given the history of WrestleMania.

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The match and stuff, like I
said, was fine. I'm glad

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Ray got the win. I also
liked the jack of Dominic's face crossed out

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on it. I thought that was
pretty great. And then, now,

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what do you do with Thouston theories? Is it? Because usually when the

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young up and comer loses his rematch
for the mid card title, he just

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puts the main events seat. So
maybe this is where the theory gets that

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next step up. I understand your
theory on this entire thing about why I

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didn't see it a special guest or
free That does make sense. However,

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I guess you could make a case
right Devil's Advocate Scena and Miss did headline

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and WrestleMania, and the Rock was
also involved. The back and forth in

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the microphone between Miss and Seen.
It was really nice and refreshing and very

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well done by two veterans of the
game. But yeah, I mean,

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I totally get what you're saying,
but I think it was probably more important

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we to get the rub for l
a night than it was to play on

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a storyline that probably leads to nowhere. If Theory and Seeing interact again.

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Yeah, So I just like if
you if you put that match two matches

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later, I don't even think about
it. It's just the fact that it

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was literally right at Yeah, And
I mean I don't think you just like

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Seeing loses the Theory and it goes. We never saw him say anything do

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anything afterwards, and Theory did win
clean cheated to win. So no,

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I know, I know. But
but then again too, I don't think

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we knew that we're going to have
John c And available right now. Yeah.

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So, I mean some strikes and
yeah, maybe maybe bump a match

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back or move a couple of things
around, and just because the fans over

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get because it wasn't that long ago
yet. I hear what you're saying from

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this storyline perspective, but when you
actually look through the grand scheme of the

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entire pay per view, which will
look at here momentarily, I actually thought

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the match placement was really good with
Becky Lynch and Tris starting it off,

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and then some like La Night and
the Miss was like a slow build up,

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and then Raymon Stereo and Ausit Terry
was the next step up and that

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was a pretty good match. But
then middle way here Finn Baler and Damian

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Priest defeating Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane
and a Steel City street fight to win

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the nisputed WW Tag Team Championship,
which we both corrected predictively correctly predicted,

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is like the next level of the
show. Like, I love this match.

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This match literally had everything in it, violence, tributes, hometown pops,

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blood chair spots, table spots,
garbage can spots, swantom bomb through

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a table, spear through the barricade, interference, and great in ring work.

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This was a phenomenal match. The
juner Day continue to run w as

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they add the endospeed to tag team
titles to their stable at Payback. I

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think this is one of those you
go through this match and it kind of

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makes sense as to you know,
some of the match layout for this show.

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Yeah, no, this is if
this is the middle of your show,

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you want your middle should be really
hot. So yeah, like,

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if I'm structuring a show, so
far, the structure like how I would

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do it is correct. The storyline
tie ins are a little bit where I

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got a little bit befuddled there.
But dear god, this match was so

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much fun. Like these, you
know, street fights and tag team matches

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typically don't go great because camera wise, production wise, it's kind of hard

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to keep everything going. They did
a fantastic job of the shots, the

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angles, like Dominic's last second,
you know, throwing a briefcase to break

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up a pinfall, like all this
stuff was so much fun. JD McDonough

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getting involved to help them win,
but then not being allowed to celebrate on

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stage, Like all this stuff was
such. It was good storytelling, good

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creative, good in ring work,
the hockey fight, throwing the gloves down

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like little stuff like that. I'm
just like, this is fantastic. This

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was arguably like the most fun tag
match I've seen since you know, Kevin

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Samy and the USOS. So it's
It's been one of the better tag matches

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I've seen in the last six months. Next match is Ria Ripley defeating Raquel

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Rodriguez to retaining w W Women's World
Championship. We both had reget in the

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victory. Match dragged down a little
bit and similar to the La Night mismatch,

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had a very tough act to follow
and the highly entertaining tag team match

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that happened before it, even with
the Grayson Waller affect Cody Roads Juso segment

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giving it some buffer. Nonetheless,
it was nice to see the women get

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a good amount of time on the
show to do their thing. Ria retains

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ut Trey. Yeah. I think
this is one of those one of those

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matches when you have two women who
typically are able to like severely overpower their

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opponents like they're in ringwork, style
has to completely adjust. When it's it's

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hard for Riad to rip or Ria
to lift Raquel, it's hard for Raquel

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to lift Ria. It's hard to
get those same big ooze and os and

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bumps for the match when typically when
they do it to like a Sealina Vega

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or a Chelsea Green, you're like, oh my god, that looks like

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a kill. So I think that
may have led to a bit the awkwardness

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and making it feel like it went
a little long. It's kind of like

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we have those hoss fights for the
met This is a hoss fight for women,

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and sometimes those feel like they drag
a little bit so, but overall

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a good performance from mckel. This
shows that she's on the way to Riya's

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level, but still has a bit
to go. And then finally the main

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event here Seth Freaking Rollins defeat Schinsky
and knocking More to retain the worldly Bitwaite

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Champion to Peo. Both had Seth
Freaking Rollins getting the victory. This was

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a slow, methodical match that felt
like it was a table setter for a

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rematch as Rons squeaked by knocking More
in round one. Really nice and original

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counter into the stomp finish should to
close out the match. Solid stuff.

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I know this match was you either
liked it or you did it on social

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media. I'm in the group that
did like it, Doctor Trey, because

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I do feel like this is table
setter and more will be coming out of

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this Roins knocking more a feud,
which appears to be the case moving forward

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coming out of Raw Following Payback,
your thoughts on the main event, Seth

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freaking rons pertained. I thought this
was Shinsk's best performance since he wrestled aj

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Styles at WrestleMania, Like this was
the most fluid we saw, Like everything

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in Shinsk's arsenal we haven't got to
see that long time. Shinsk as a

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heel is so good and creepy at
times, like it's just awkward, weird,

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just like unnerving. I honestly like, I think the only reason people

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dislike it is either you're you've disliked
how Shinsk has been booked for the last

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four years, or you disliked Seth
be in the champ Like outside that,

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I thought it was a good performance. It told the story, It checked

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all the boxes for what a good
professional wrestling matches would be. And like

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I said, Shinsk looked strong in
this match and looked like on several occasions

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he could have beat Seth. So
I thought it was great for Shinsk's career

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as well. Pitvview predictions from Payback
we both went six and oh, which

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then puts US at eighty three and
twenty nine for myself, Doctor Tray seventy

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seven and thirty five Match of the
Night and event rating. I gave my

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Match to the Night to Becky Lynch
and Tris Stratus, and I gave WWE

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Payback eight three point eight. I
thought it was a very solid show,

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Doctor try what say you? Yeah? I gave my Batchel to Night to

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Becky and Trish as well. I
actually gave it a four because outside of

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the La Night mismatch, I really
liked everything else pretty much on the show,

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So I just had the one massic
hide right that that kind of drugged

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down with it. So I gave
it a four point er for me.

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All right, then let's get into
the next night. Here aw all out

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recap review from this past Sunday from
the United Center in Chicago, Illinois.

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We had Hangman Adam Page winning the
over budget charity Battle Royal on zero hour.

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I thought it was a fun Battle
Royal and a good way to kick

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off the show. That was really
my only notes from this. I was

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just glad I remember who Hangman Adam
Page was. That was my note from

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this Hey, great back and forth
between he and sort of Strickland this past

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Wednesday and Time of Mine, her
Carroshda, Willow Nightingale and Sky Blue defeating

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Mercedes Martinez, Diamante and Athena and
a women's trios match. We did not

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predict this match. I thought it
was a fine women's trios match and it

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just felt like time Feller. Yeah, I thought it was. It was

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a solid women's six mans tag.
I just didn't like to finish because between

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Athena looking you know, has been
looked really strong as Ring of Honor champion,

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I thought i'd be a good way
to remind the you know, the

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AW fans how badass Athena is.
And we see Willow Sky in What's Your

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Faith all the time anyway, So
I thought it'd been good to get Athena

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of the win in this setting.
But you know, it is what it

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is, solid tag match. Next
match, here's the acclaimed to Billy Gunn

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defeating Jeff Jarrett, j Leatham,
Satam Singh to retain the AW World Trio's

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Championship. We also did not predict
this one. To me, this was

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just a Sports Center moment match with
Dennis Roman using the guitar, and it's

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ONEIM saying. If someone told me
in nineteen ninety four when I was watching

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WWE that Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn
of the Smoking Guns will be resting on

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a pay for you nearly thirty years
later, I wanted to believe them.

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Great performance by those guys. I
thought it was a fine match and it

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was just the sports at a moment
that they were looking for mine notes on

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this one where Dens Robin doesn't look
like he ages much, I still thought

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he looked pretty good. Which thing
goes right along with Billy Gunn and Jeff

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Jared, So I think they all
drink from the same well water. And

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like I said, if you like
what you mentioned about Billy Gunn and Jeff

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Jared, if you'd thrown the fact
that, hey, by the way,

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Dennis Rodman will be involved in wrestling
in twenty twenty three, I would have

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been like, did you steal from
his stash? And what are you smoking

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outside of that? Just good filler. Jane Lethal's a workhorse. I mean,

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Jane Lethal carries a lot of these
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Because Tottenham Sing to me is one
step above giant Gonzalez. Uh yeah,

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yeah, it's it's in that same
vein, right, Yeah, great colleague.

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At least colleague was athletic when he
was younger, like Sottenham, just

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seems kind of his footwork is really
atrocious and awkward and I and I get

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it, he's a big, giant, gangly man, but you're still putting

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them on pay per views, like
you know, there's a way you do

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this and not make him actually get
in the ring. So yeah, sometimes

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the big men get it, sometimes
they don't. And then you also see

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people like improved like I think Omas
when he's been off television for a little

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bit, he was very Soltam saying
John Gonzalez esque, looking a little clumsy

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of the ring. Then he got
better as time went on, so maybe

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they're still hope there. And then
finally to the main show, MJF and

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Adam Cole defeat Alex Reynolds and John
Sell where the Dark order to retain the

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ROH Tag Team Championship. We both
at MJF and Adam Cole get the victory

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solid tag match. The story and
this one was MJF working is alien neck

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injury, having to be taking the
back and getting a big baby face pop

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when he came back out to help
get the win. The MJF baby face

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turn has been a really interesting storyline. Smojoe giving MJF an NXT like push

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that led to them brawling before the
next match was really nice transition, and

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to do what I would presumed to
be the next feud and match for MJF.

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My only thing is why didn't Adam
Cole immediately going gonna make the save?

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Was that a storyline tidbit or just
bad timing from the security team to

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break up the pre match fight between
samo Joe and MJFF. Nonetheless, MJFF

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and Adam Cole retain BABA. Yeah, it was a fine tag match.

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My big thing when I'm watching this
is like, oh God, I forgot

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how much like a Dark Order?
Because John Silver should beginning of a much

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bigger pushing agains because that guy always
gets a reaction. And then I thought,

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why haven't they just reek, Like, why have they just combined the

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Righteous with the Dark Order? Like
that would make a ton of thing.

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I mean, dude, Grayson's in
the Righteous, it makes it would make

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sense to do it. The post
match stuff I thought, like when Samoe

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Joe attacked m JFF. Adam Cole
was right there. I thought AdVac was

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like, oh shit, if I
run down here, will Keith Lee knock

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me into the crowd? Like it
just felt like a very like NX team

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moment. But it's I don't know
how to feel about the baby faced her

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because I love MJF so much as
a heel, Like, I'm still I'm

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waiting for the other shoot to drop, and I'm like, if this is

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like one of those long her slow
burns to get to the payoff, They're

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doing a really really good job of
making me wait now. So I'm on

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board with it if it does lead
to one of these two guys turning and

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being the hell of the other one. Yeah, I mean they have done

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this multiple times where you're thinking on
the verge of an MJF baby face turn,

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and then he turned heel, So
I think that's part of the reason,

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and I don't think it's a thing
that is good necessary for the storyline.

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I think that they've turned him completely
baby face, and I think this

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is the direction. I think there
will be obviously a payoff here at some

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point that leads to the next layer
of this, But I think aw kind

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of screwed around a little bit too
much, and that's why people like you

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and I may not be fully able
to sink our teeth into the baby face

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turn and believe it to be true
because they did it at least twice already

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in Awware, they teased it and
then did not execute it. Next match

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her samo Joe defeeding Shane Taylor to
retain the ROH World type Television Championship.

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We did not predict this one.
I like the amount of offense Shane Taylor

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on in on this one. Samojoe
was still protected when he quickly snapped on

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the cocaine and clutch to make Taylor
tap out for the win. Shane Taylor

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has interacted with us on Twitter in
the past, so very happy to see

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him get this opportunity of samoja retains. Yeah, I like Shane Taylor.

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Shane Tylor was good at one of
my friends Oshe Edwards, who's downe in

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MLW, but o Sha was part
of Shane taylor enterprises at the close of

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Ring of Honor and Shane's with good
people like you. I was happy to

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see a lot of the offense get
in there. I was also happy to

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see Joe get the wind coming on
the heels of all in to see Joe

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get back on the winning track.
It also really solid athletic big man match

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and like we were talking about,
like me with the Rhea and Raquel,

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this match didn't have those awkward slow
parts. These guys know how to work

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together. It was a really well
done match. And uh, like I

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said, like, I was just
happy for both guys. I thought both

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guys come out of that match looking
strong, which is what you actually really

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want in these situations. Lucas Source
defeats Darby Allen to retain the AWT and

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T Championship. I had Darby Allen
doct trade Lucasaurus. I like to finish

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where Christian distracted Darby Allen from doing
the Coffin drop. I threatened to hit

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Nick Wayne with the concerto. They've
been hyping up how banged up Darby Allen

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has been lately. So I wonder
if at some point we see him get

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written off and give him a little
bit of a break. But he's currently

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in the tournament to take on mjaff
at Dona Mike rand Slam. Also,

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Darby had a three count on Lucasaurus, and I wonder if the big Man

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was actually out from the Code Red
top rope spot because that was a hard

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fall and everybody knew it was a
three count, Like it looked like Lucasource

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might have gone out there legitimately,
reason why he kicked out late. Lucasource

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retains that Doctor Trey. Yeah.
I enjoyed the Christian Cage Lucasaurus angle with

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Christian being the champion, even though
Lucia does all the wrestling. I like

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that stuff, and I thought it
was the right call, Like you got

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to re establish this title being credible
because it's been hot potted around for a

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while. I mean, this would
have been Darby's third or fourth reign with

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it if he had won. My
only knock on this match is because of

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what happened on Dynamite, because he
saved Wayne from getting the Concerto at all

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out, but then stomps his freaking
head in on Dynamite. So I'm like,

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okay, it's okay if I stomp
your head in, but God forbid,

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Christian like knock you out of the
chair. So that was my knock.

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It was basically like four days or
three days later, maybe dislike the

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finish interesting point, and I feel
like they're kind of teasing. Maybe Christian

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is trying to influence Nick Wayne a
little bit and to join up there.

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So yeah, it's interesting stuff.
Yeah, he needs a new Jack Perry.

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He does, he does because Jack
Perry is unavailable right now. Miro

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defeats Powerhouse Hobbs. We both had
Miro getting the victory. Fun match with

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great crowd interaction. The only drawback
in this match was Powerhouse Hobbs was falling

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out of the game over over finisher
and Miro was resetting him when he tapped

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out, so it didn't look great
visually, like he was readjusting the game

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over. And then you've got Powerhouse
Hobbs tapping out to the game over Kiml

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clutch finisher or Accolade, however you
want to call it. C J.

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Perry Slash Alana making the save was
a nice surprise, but Miro not knowing

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if his real life wife would be
a peer Slash saying she's not real was

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very confusing to me, very confusing. Doctor tre Miro wins this one.

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Yeah, I like this match because
from we really haven't seen a lot of

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Miro in a while. And I've
always loved him. Once again, a

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really good athletic big man match,
and these are the kuype I like to

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zee. I blame the ref on
the finish, because that's something if you

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know, look, the ref's gonna
know what the finish is heading into a

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match, and if you see a
guy having to reset the whole, even

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if the guy's tapping, you can
play it off like he was trying to

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get his hand under the calf or
on the calf to push out and then

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make him tap again to make it
look cleaner. So that's on the ref

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more than anything else. C J. Perry is so damn beautiful, Jeff,

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oh my god, you know.
And then the stuff of the mirror,

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the stuff of the mirror and her
is all like they've never really had.

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Outside of their initial debut. Everything
they've done from like russef Day Odd

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has been awkward and weird in the
most non traditional love story and maybe professional

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wrestling history. Yeah, it was
strange. It was very very strange.

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And then they go on Instagram and
they're like doing TikTok's with one another or

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whatever, like reels. So I
was like, this is just bizarre.

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But maybe that was the point of
it, I don't know. Chris stat

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Lanard feeds Ruby Soo to retain the
AWTBS Championship. We both had stat Lander

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getting victory. Solid match. Tony
Storms involvement in the match didn't come off

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well as it looked like Ruby Soho
out of stall a little bit, so

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the interference could be executed with that
set, I have enjoined Tony Swordon's slow

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turn into a character who has lost
her mind since dropping the women's championship.

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Again, great match. Doctor Trey
stat Lander and Ruby so put on a

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good show for the women. So
we had a woman who regained her mind

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and is no longer an alien,
I guess one like against a woman who's

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an outcast and a runaway who gets
screwed over by her friend who's lost her

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mind. So I just once again
love the backstories on Some of the stuff

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is just so it's so wrestling,
you know. And Merril has no idea

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his wife's going to be there,
so yeah, because he talks to God,

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that's why he's he's a redeemer,
so you know, maybe he thinks

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TJ's the Virgin Mary. I don't
know, but like this matches was fun.

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I love watching Ruby stef Like Ruby
doesn't have bad matches. Chris Statler

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has come a long way in her
wrestling ability, the toughest the stuff a

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Tony Storm is so weird and fun, and we have not seen a anybody

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do an old school Hollywood starlet character
that I can remember, so it's also

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fresh and different. So it's just
really fun and entertaining and I applaud for

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this whole segment. Here. Next
match, here is Brian Danielson defeating Ricky

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Starks in a strap match. We
did not predict this one great match,

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especially on short notice. His Starks
was reportedly said to face punk it all

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out before something that happened to him. Amazing how quickly Danielson return from injury

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to take this match. Super happy
that Ricky Starks got this spot and opportunity,

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as it shows he's a big time
player for a w And this is

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a case, especially with the way
the match ended, that sometimes people look

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a lot stronger in a loss,
and that was the case with Ricky Starks.

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He did not tap out, he
passed out. Danielson defeats Ricky and

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once again this is where I'm confused, and it's like, Okay, so

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match yourself really fun, really well
done on short notice? Is Brian Danielson

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a heel because he's in the BCC. I don't know. He came out

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on the baby face side. I
totally get what you're saying. I'm with

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you on so like in my head, I'm like, well, I mean,

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but he still had he still was
repid the BCC, he's so,

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but they're heel stable. He's on
the baby face side. Ricky Starks,

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who up until facing CM Punk was
a baby face but then he turned heels

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and two heels or his strap match
unannounced on a pay per view like that.

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The knee jerk weird stuff is where
I get frustrate. Aw the and

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ring stuff ninety five percent type it's
fantastic and you're like, damn, that

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was really good. It's just the
frosting, the flavor, the icing on

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the cake, whatever you want to
call it. That is professional wrestling gets

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missed and people like me go,
just if the flavors had lined up correctly.

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I don't know, have you did
you ever watch Friends? Jeff?

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No? But I'm getting hungry.
Okay, So there's an episode where somebody

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goes to make Shepherd's Pie and they
mess it up and they actually do,

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like they actually put it like jellies
and jams into the shepherd's pie. And

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they asked Joey, like you ate
that. He's like, yeah, meat

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good, jelly good, like these
are all good things. And that's kind

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of how I feel about aw S
And I's like, well, yeah,

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like Ricky Starks is really good,
Brian Daniels is really good. The rap

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match was really good. But to
get the flavors to line up, you

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00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.000
kind of need everything to be there
for to be a real solid course of

402
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.599
a meal. And yeah, you're
right now, I'm freaking hundred food.

403
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.039
Next match, Claudio Castan Onlian Wheeler, you defeat Eddie Kingston and Katsi or

404
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.319
Shibata in a tag team match.
We did not predict this one solid match

405
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.799
finish of Eddie taking a European upper
cut for the pin was was surprising.

406
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.599
I got. I meant, yeah, I honestly did not think I would

407
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:32.839
see any Kingston go under clean to
a European upper cut from Claudio because I

408
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.440
know their history. But yeah,
fun match. BCC gets a little bit

409
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.119
of revenge based on what happened at
all in because on paper the best Friends

410
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.640
should have not beat the BCC,
but you know, it is what it

411
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.119
is, but a little bit of
payback. The Rig of Water champion gets

412
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.880
a win over the new Japan Openweight
Champion, so that's kind of a cool

413
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.720
tie in as well. But you
know, pretty solid tag match, and

414
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.680
I mean Shabbata and Eddie Cason.
I don't think I've ever tagged up before

415
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.720
this match, and they had a
really solid performance as a team, So

416
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.599
there you go. I thought it
was really well done. Kenoska Takeshka defeats

417
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:11.920
Kenny Omega. I had know megadoct
tray Tekeshka. Huge victory for Tekeshka,

418
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.240
Penny Omega cleaning and one on one
match a week after pinning Omega and a

419
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.960
trios match. The build for Kenoska
lately has been great to watch, and

420
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.480
I like seeing the layer of Omega
not being able to win without don Callis

421
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.559
Callus in his corner. It's a
subtle layer, but a powerful one in

422
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.880
this story that's starting to gain some
momentum. Kenoska Takeshka defeats Kenny Omegadoctor try.

423
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:33.960
Even though I picked to Keshka,
I didn't think he was actually going

424
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:40.519
to win. I'm just like,
on paper, I would have had him

425
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:41.240
win, but I'm like, I
don't think they haven't do it. But

426
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.759
I'm like, watch the mention,
like, man, they are really making

427
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.960
him look like a start like somebody
it might be Kenny. Somebody really loves

428
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:56.720
Tekeshka because typically, like like I
thought earlier, like when was the last

429
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.799
time we saw Aussie opened win a
match, Like even Okada doesn't win all

430
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:06.240
the time in aw But Tekeshka looks
like a freaking world beater. So they

431
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.119
are building into the mood. I
applaud them forks we love new Stars,

432
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:14.160
really really solid match and just you
know into for me, Like I know

433
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:15.640
they kind of hinted the rivalry maybe
over, but I think it needs to

434
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:21.640
go longer because you can't let Kenny
not ever beat t Keshka. So that's

435
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.599
it's got to get settled at some
point. We'll find out what the next

436
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:30.119
target is for Takeshka on Wednesday's Dynamite
as they revealed the next masterpiece. Next

437
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.359
match here is Bullet Club Gold defeating
FTR and the Young Bucks in an eight

438
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.160
man tag team match. I had
FTR on the Bucks, Doctor Trade Bullet

439
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:40.559
Club Clold Fun match, the fourth
corner spot where they were there was a

440
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.799
good teamwork between FTR and the Bucks
been way through the match was awesome.

441
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.559
Bullet Club Gold has been on fire
Lane. I think Aw's gonna have a

442
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.799
tough time not making them tweeter baby
faces in the future. I said recently

443
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:57.000
on this podcast that I felt like
they were Degeneration X, like they've been

444
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:02.839
fantastic, very entertaining and enjoy Bullet
Club Gold gets the victory, Doctor Trey,

445
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.759
Yeah, this was the right call. Like I mean, you don't

446
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.559
need FDR and the Bucks to get
a win here. You need Bullet Club

447
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.960
Gold because the crowd is really getting
into them. And you know, like

448
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.640
I said last week, you see
why the Guns are going to be huge

449
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.960
stars down the road. They're just
so fun to watch and so charismatic.

450
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:25.440
J White, I'm glad they're finally
giving him some attention because that's your boy,

451
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.960
that's the guy that you thought should
be a main eventor in either company.

452
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.960
It feels like they're giving it.
And damn, I love Juce Robinson,

453
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.279
like he's just a fun dude to
watch and I and I literally I

454
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.839
don't know about you. I actually
went back and start watching old nx T

455
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.920
stuff and Honor Bray Wyatt's and seeing
young C. J. Parker on there,

456
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.119
I was like, God, he's
just always been fun, even going

457
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.000
back to those NXT days. So
I'm on board Bullet Club Gold right now.

458
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.799
I love those guys. Yeah,
what was Juce Robinson was the seed?

459
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.680
Yeah? Yeah? And he was
like a hippie. Yeah, who

460
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:02.160
broke Kevin Owens's nose? Kevin Owens
ext Yes, he was a great character

461
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:07.559
in those early WW network days of
Next Day. And then finally the main

462
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.359
event here is John Moxley defeats Orange
Cassidy to win the aw International Championship.

463
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.720
Doctor Trey and I both had Moxley
good match and great storytelling. I've enjoyed

464
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.720
watching Moxley get this new layer out
of Orange Cassidy's character, and I hope

465
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.519
this storyline continues, as it would
make sense based on the way things have

466
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.640
gone for Cassidy the last several weeks. It was sad to see one of

467
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.559
the best title rains in all of
wrestling end, but it comes at the

468
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.119
expense of the Orange Cassidy character continue
to grow that I am here for it.

469
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.880
I think there's something to do.
Orange Cassidy opening Dynamite this past Wednesday

470
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.880
and getting that crowd reaction, getting
the thank yous and cutting the promo and

471
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.759
you know, coming up the rampus
Moxley came out. It was sad to

472
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.920
see the rain end because it was
one of my favorite It's right up there

473
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.400
with Gunther and the Icy title.
But it was time. It was time

474
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.240
to happen, and Moxley was the
right guy as he is your new international

475
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.000
champion. Doctor Trey. Yeah,
I once to get really enjoyed this match.

476
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:07.440
Really well done Moxley. Adding the
Moxley angliness adds an edge to Orange

477
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.440
Cassidy that we didn't know if he
could pull out. Great job there.

478
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:17.039
It gives this title another layer of
credibility on name value for having John Moxley

479
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:22.119
being the champ. And like I
was talking about Austin theory, sometimes when

480
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:27.359
you your young up and comer loses
a mid card title is because they're about

481
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.359
to push him to the next level
up. Unfortunately for me in aw sometimes

482
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.680
I don't know what the next level
up is past you know the nineteen titles

483
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.079
they have in the mid card division. But by the way, the only

484
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:44.119
knock I have on Cassie. Remember
that chromo that Roman cut where he walked

485
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.960
out to the ring. The crowd
kept booing him he would win to talk,

486
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:52.680
they cut him off again. If
Orange had just come out like he

487
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.799
was going to talk, the crowd
kept cheering him, and then he just

488
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.880
smiled and gave the thumbs up and
walked out of the ring. I thought

489
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.680
it would have been just as good. But I love the layers they've added

490
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.960
to both Orange and John Moxley with
this. So just a great job with

491
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.440
the storytelling and the and you know, the layers added to these characters for

492
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.839
this match and coming out of it. I would agree with you. I

493
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.279
actually, and I hate to say
this, but I thought that crowd was

494
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.559
not great on Wednesday side of mine, like he deserved a bigger elevation in

495
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.240
my opinion, Yeah, I agree, But where were they at Wednesday nights?

496
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:28.640
I forgot they were in Indiana.
No offense to the Indiana folks.

497
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.279
Listen to the pod. I mean
that's why de Wide doesn't do big time

498
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.039
events in Indianapolis. Well, they're
doing fast Lane in October. Big events.

499
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.440
I mean, like we don't see
we don't see SummerSlam, we don't

500
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.359
see we don't see the We don't
see any of the tops, Like I

501
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.759
don't think they do money in the
bank. Wait a minute, breaking Restamney

502
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:53.160
forty one will be at Lucas Oil
Stadium in Indianapolis. Yeah, yeah,

503
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.200
if by the way up in the
day, because I'm pretty sure it's going

504
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.000
to go to go to Nashville.
Just the building a new stadium right yard

505
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.960
on the street, because there's only
couple hours away from me. So I

506
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.960
got some stay tuned pivoty prediction record
from all out Dot Trey went to seven

507
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.159
and out. We went undefeated the
entire week in grats, Doctor Trey,

508
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.000
I went four and three. I'm
eighty seven to thirty two. Doctor Trey

509
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.199
is now eighty four and thirty five. Do you need to take a victory

510
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.519
lap before we get to Match of
the Night and event rating? I just

511
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.239
had to. I just had to. I had to have one weekend in

512
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:29.440
the three four years we've now been
doing predictions and keeping score or I actually

513
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.159
look like I know what the hell
I'm talking about. It undefeated across the

514
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.440
whole weekend. Yeah, has anybody
else gone undefeated? We've had double pay

515
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.960
per views. Oh man, now
you're acting me look back at the history

516
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:49.039
here, just do research. At
some points, I see some undefeated this

517
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.519
year. I don't know about a
weekend. We'll have to take a look.

518
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.440
For argument sake, we'll say no, no, never has happened,

519
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.199
breaking breaking news. All right,
an event rating and match the night.

520
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.880
I gave all out of three point
nine. My match of the night was

521
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.360
Brian Danielson and Ricky Starks, Doctor
tur what's at you? So shockingly enough,

522
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.840
I'm gonna give all out of four
point one. I thought it was

523
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.239
a little bit like just like you. I thought it was a little bit

524
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:17.199
better than WWE. Most of the
show coherence, made sense, continued or

525
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.119
ended storylines properly, really really well
done overall. And then I had Moxley

526
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.760
Kassi. I just the layers in
that match were just really well done.

527
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.840
As my match of the night.
Yeah, so there you go. So

528
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.360
there's our event rating. There's our
match of the night for all out this

529
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:39.679
past Sunday in the United Center in
Chicago, Illinois. So there's some big

530
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:45.119
news that has happened over the weekend. Speaking of Chicago. Speaking of Chicago.

531
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:52.679
Two years ago, we celebrated the
first match back for SAMPUNK a year

532
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:59.280
ago we spent posts all out talking
about brawl Out, and then basically the

533
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:08.719
next year after that and days later
recently we are now discussing Sampunk no longer

534
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:16.239
being employed by All Elite Wrestling.
Shocking news still, nonetheless, especially when

535
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:21.599
you think back of the last two
years with Sampunk and where this was.

536
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.840
When it started with rampage at the
first dance and it just felt like,

537
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:27.719
wow, this is really cool.
One of the best reactions I've ever seen

538
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.280
in professional wrestling. People were rejoiced
as Sampunk made you know, is returned

539
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.320
to wrestling for the first time in
over seven years. The drama and the

540
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.360
stories and the stuff that has happened
afterwards has been frustrating, especially in the

541
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.000
last year. Despite all that still
involved with some really good matches, some

542
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:51.760
storylines have enjoyed the in ring work
and the stuff that we see on television

543
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:57.159
regards to see him Punk, Nonetheless, Sampunk is once again a free agent.

544
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.719
He is no longer employed with All
Elite Wrestling. There's gonna be a

545
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.239
lot of layers that we're going to
peel away from this one. Doctor Trey

546
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.440
here to close out the show.
But your thoughts on the initial news as

547
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.440
c him. Punk is now a
former employee of a W. Based on

548
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.519
the initial reports I got on the
initial story that came out, I was

549
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.239
kind of surprised, like, like
I think we talked about last week week

550
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.360
before, like you know, at
CM Punk Russell's last matchin AW. I

551
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.840
was like seventy five percent. No, Like you literally gave him his own

552
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:31.199
show. He's your top draw,
he's your top money maker. Like usually

553
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.639
talent Trump's all, like sales Trump's
all, but however you want to phrase

554
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.039
it like that, that's usually end
all, be all. Now, when

555
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.320
you started hearing some other stories about
like him threatening Tony Kahan and things like

556
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.360
that, it made sense like if
that's the way it went, okay,

557
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.719
uh, it just at that.
If that's the level you go to,

558
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.599
then why did you bring him back? Like he was arguing with you about

559
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.920
like you guys are battling over him
even coming back. You guys battle over

560
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:09.760
even being at the premier for you
know, collision, Like once again,

561
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:15.599
to me, it just looks like
poor leadership at the top. And since

562
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.280
when did they get a disciplinary committee
Jeff, Like when did this happen?

563
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.480
Because they've had issues the entire run
of this company, so I'm like,

564
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.559
like, you know, we talked
to this one ago, like who who

565
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.480
is this person? Is Christopher Dandels
on it because you know see him Punk

566
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.679
just kicked him off his show a
week two weeks ago. Like it's a

567
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:43.480
little confusing. It does look like
still backstage. It does kind of give

568
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:50.880
me end up wc W vibes with
chaos and just there's a lack of accountability

569
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.880
at times. I don't have an
issue with him firing him because he's been

570
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.440
a huge pain in the ass this
company for the last year. It's just

571
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.880
that way you put up the stories
to why and the reasoning and the rational

572
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.440
It's like you've had other guys do
you like andrawd A literally was begging them

573
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.679
to fire him and they're like no, you know, it's like Alica Black

574
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.519
did a bow. I mean,
he was on his way out. It

575
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.360
appeared I'm going back to It's like
guys have wanted to leave for it.

576
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.119
And then like, you know,
a performer like Sonny Kiss, who's a

577
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.880
solid worker to have on your show. You don't even offer Sonny a contract

578
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.679
to come back. You know,
it's like never caused a problem, but

579
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.559
God forbid, we give her the
bare we gives any the bare minimum.

580
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:38.320
You know, it's like but like
it's just there's no cohesion. It doesn't

581
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:44.280
feel like their structure homage to us, Jeff, there's no pecking order.

582
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.159
True. True, it just feels
like it feels like there's they're supposed to

583
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.719
be ahead of the table, but
there's not. It feels like Dad's not

584
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.159
there. It's like when dad and
mom leave and they put the twelve year

585
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.079
old son in charge of the house
because he's technically the man of the house.

586
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.679
But god forbid if there's a fire, because that gives in the panic

587
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.519
and run out the front door.
And that's how I feel like about a

588
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.039
m rights like that, there's supposed
to be a dad in the building and

589
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.840
there's not. No. I hear
you, and to your point, I

590
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.320
agree with you. I think this
needed to happen. It just wasn't working

591
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.440
anymore. They've tried and tried,
and it just wasn't working, and something

592
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.000
needed to give. It was either
going to be Omega the Bucks hangman They're

593
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.840
gonna leave, or Punk was gonna
leave and they just resigned. So Punk

594
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:35.119
left or was fired, I should
say to it, just it wasn't gonna

595
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.719
work anymore unless they sat down.
And there's all these other stories from this

596
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:44.400
entire thing right on punk Side.
The belief is it's he said, she

597
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.159
said stuff like crazy in this entire
story. So punk Side is saying that

598
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.880
he see him, punk, Tony
Kahan, and the elite, We're going

599
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.960
to sit down a couple. Was
it the week before heading into All In?

600
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.920
They were in Atlanta, they were
doing a collision and dynamite taping,

601
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.159
and they were going to all be
in the same arena and it just finally

602
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.960
put this to rest and bury the
hatchet or work with each other as best

603
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:15.719
they can. That never happened.
Punk Side is saying that the elite canceled

604
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.360
last minute. The Elite side is
saying that they never knew that was happening.

605
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.840
Again, he said she said stuff
we all know about the all In

606
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.880
that led to all this stuff now
and the firing. I will say the

607
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:34.559
stuff that I don't. So there's
like a fifty fifty thing here I don't

608
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.000
like in regard I like and I
don't like from Tony Khan. So let

609
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.599
me start by saying that I liked
that Tony Khan got out in front of

610
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.280
this entire thing and spoke about it. He didn't hide it, he didn't

611
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.679
just put out a statement and that
was that and pretended it never happened.

612
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.400
He got out in front of the
live crowd in Chicago before the Collision show

613
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.400
on Saturday and spoke about it,
got booed up the wazoo. It was

614
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.760
very awkward, which it tends to
be at times with Tony Khan speaks,

615
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.079
and it wasn't well received. But
you got to give him a hat tip

616
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:07.920
and respect that. Like he was
out in front of it. Same thing.

617
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:15.000
They aired like a ninety second deal
before Collision, him addressing firing.

618
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.559
You see him punk and head on
addressing it again. Hat tip, all

619
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.679
that stuff. I give him props
for addressing it. The part that I

620
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.599
don't like is he comes out and
says, and I get this, so

621
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.199
we weren't there. We don't understand
his perspective and all this stuff. It

622
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.159
just to me, it sounds like
a lot of just to be completely blunt,

623
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.159
which is something we're losing nowadays,
like corporate mumbo jumbo. When he

624
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.599
was like, I've been to so
many wrestling shows in my life, and

625
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.960
I've never have I felt like my
life was in danger as it was this

626
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.760
past Saturday. I had no point
ever heard and I we've heard that there

627
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.360
was a lunging. We heard that
there was something where see him Punk went

628
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:01.400
to either go up to Tony Khan, potentially attack Tony Khan, whatever,

629
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:09.119
there was some sort of movement towards
Tony Khan. Do I ever think Sam

630
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.840
Punk was going to beat up Tony
Khan, No, not at all.

631
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.000
I don't think anybody would have allowed
that to happen, and I don't think

632
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:21.440
he would have done that quite honestly. So when he comes out and he's

633
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.760
like, my life was threatened,
I thought that sounded so weak. I

634
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.159
thought it sounded so corporate mumbo jumbo, and I just threw the bullshit flag

635
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.960
on it. I thought that was
the part that was bullshit. I give

636
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.440
him a hat tip for getting out
in front of it and talking about it,

637
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.599
him saying that he thought his life
was being threatened and and airing that

638
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.000
out to the fans like that.
I just thought was that was bullshit.

639
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.400
You know, say what you will, whether you're pro seampunk or your anti

640
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:53.960
sampunk. That is like a hardcore
cut of slander at Punk. They are

641
00:43:54.079 --> 00:44:02.880
putting that out in the open as
a means to demean the character of him.

642
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.719
I felt like if that was such
a serious nature where people's lives felt

643
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:09.719
like they were threatened, that is
something that the Dirt Sheets would have been

644
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.559
talking about in between All In and
All Out, and we would have been

645
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.559
talking about it on last week's show, and nor at any point did ever

646
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.239
feel like that. You know,
the thing is whether people like it or

647
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.840
not, the wrestling business was built
on if you're going to run your mouth

648
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.119
and be a tough guy and not
say something to my face or behind my

649
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.559
back, I'm going to confront you
about it, and I may slap you,

650
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.960
I may punch, it may lead
to a fight. We've heard those

651
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.960
stories. Jacques Rougau and Dynamite Kid
come to mind, like Nails and Vince

652
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:49.000
wick Man come to mind. The
wrestling business has been always around these stories,

653
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.559
whether it be Shamus and Yoshi Tatsu
getting into it, Joey Styles punching

654
00:44:52.639 --> 00:45:00.440
jbl on a flight. We've heard
these stories where sometimes law is how they

655
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.960
carry it out in the professional wrestling
business. So Jack Perry said something stupid

656
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.079
that he shouldn't have see him Punk
Pie faced him put him in a guillotine

657
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:15.800
and now see Him Punks the one
that is fired. I think that's a

658
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.320
little bit to how society is nowadays. It's making me sound a little bit

659
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.679
old. But if you're going to
say something like that, like Jack Perry

660
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.760
did, you got to meet the
consequences. And sometimes it's verbal, sometimes

661
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.519
it's physical. It's just kind of
the way things are sometimes, and it

662
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.920
makes you learn that he can't say
shit like that. But again, I

663
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.360
just did not dig Tony Khan saying
that his life was threatened. And that's

664
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.960
coming from someone that's very middle on
this entire thing. I'm I think they

665
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.360
made the right move by firing and
See Him Punk. It just was not

666
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.400
working anymore. From a backstage perspective, I don't think he was happy.

667
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.960
I don't think they were happy,
and they just needed to go their separate

668
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.559
ways. But that was the point
that really irked me, Doctor Trey,

669
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.920
was that part of the Tony kann
speech, because it just felt like it

670
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.519
was unnecessary and did not need to
be aired out to the television audience or

671
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.840
the live audience. In my opinion, Yeah, like I like I said,

672
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.239
I didn't have an issue with See
Him Punk being fired. Really like

673
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.480
you said, it wasn't working out. It's two different philosophies of style of

674
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.719
wrestling. It's just they don't they
don't Mesh. I did commend Tony Kahn

675
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:22.039
for getting out in front of it, letting the live crowd you know,

676
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.440
about it before it came out in
the dirtys or you know, and like

677
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:29.079
you said, the little video thing
before collision about like I commend him all

678
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:35.440
that. You're absolutely right though about
the way he said what he said,

679
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.119
because when I read the statement,
out of everything, I read the statement,

680
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.239
you know it certainly those is he
was fired with cause, which means

681
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.239
we have an excuse to get rid
of you a dot Paig, Because that

682
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:52.079
was the hold up after brawl out
was Punk wanted his money and they didn't

683
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.159
want to pay him his entire contract, and this was a way to for

684
00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:00.239
them to get out from under the
contract without having to pay him and them

685
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.519
trying to save face. But this
is also the same company, Jeff that

686
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.320
you go back to their early days, and you and I sat here and

687
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:13.800
got onto that because they would poke
at WWE all the time, and when

688
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.159
WW fired back, they would get
hurt, their feelings would get hurt.

689
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.960
That's how this company's run like.
This is how they've been the entire time.

690
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.880
Is uha, keep poking, keep
poking, but don't you dare come

691
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:31.440
back at us. That's it's you're
right like this, Wrestling is not.

692
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.360
This is one of the things.
I hear this on the Indians all side,

693
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:42.320
like wrestlings for everybody, it's not. Wrestling is not per Working in

694
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:46.639
the wrestling business is not for everybody. You have to have a thick skin.

695
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.880
You have to have the ability to
take criticism. You have to have

696
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:52.679
the ability to go, hey,
if I run my about this guy might

697
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.880
punch me. Because that's how the
wrestling business was rung. That's why it

698
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:05.079
was so people inside know all the
secrets and how the magic tricks are done.

699
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:12.920
And in this world where we expose
everything. Look, Vince McMahon let

700
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.079
Brett Hart punch him in the face. That's another one I forgot. Yep,

701
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.800
that's the difference between Tony conn and
busy Man. Vince knew he did

702
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.559
something that would you know, piss
off Brett Brett. He let Brett swing

703
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.760
on him, just let him do
it, basic told him to do it

704
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.039
and didn't file charges. No,
if your life is being threatened, Jeff,

705
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.039
if somebody's threatening your life, don't
you at least follow a police reporting.

706
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.880
Yeah, I mean the famous line
is Brett Hart said, don't let

707
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.679
tell that mf or not to come
in here. Yeah, you know,

708
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.400
And that's to me like it was. It was a cop out. It

709
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.599
was a way to make them look
good. And that's what happens when you

710
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.960
have a bunch of like hundred and
fifty pound people running the wrestling business.

711
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.760
Yeah, it was. It was
legal momo jumbo. That's probably going to

712
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.679
lead to a court issue. And
that's I mean, AWS playing it strategically

713
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:06.000
rightfully so and he came out and
did that, and the pawns and this

714
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.719
entire thing are US fans. So
I did not like that at all.

715
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.599
I thought everything else has been whatever. They just needed to go their separate

716
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.519
ways and that's what they're doing.
I thought that mumbo jumbo was bullshit,

717
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.199
and I just thought it was more
for again when this goes to eventual court.

718
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:27.039
There's been a lot of rumors and
stories that have been floating out there

719
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.119
that I guess Punk may have been
trying to get out of his contract from

720
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.920
AW. Back in December, there
were reports that he was trying to go

721
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.480
back to WWW. He was gonna
return at the Royal Rumble and Kevin Owens

722
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.079
is going to eliminate him, which
would lead to a program and WrestleMania.

723
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.960
We do know that he did show
up, see him Punk to WWW when

724
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.960
they were in town Chicago. We
talked about here on the podcast. That

725
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.599
was confirmed by PW Insider. I
believe that Punk did briefly speak with Triple

726
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:54.800
H. I doubt they were like, Hey, I'm going to be fired

727
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.599
in a couple of months, can
I come back? And Triple H was

728
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.519
like, sure, man, let's
talk about at it. So you know,

729
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.800
Punk is now a free agent,
Doctor Trey and that's that's a whole

730
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.119
discussion, this all, what's next. There are reports of higher ups in

731
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:15.039
WE that don't want him back.
There's reports out there that I guess Punk

732
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.960
confronted William Regal when he when he
came to a W and called him a

733
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.599
Triple H stooge, refused to,
you know, shake his hand. We

734
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.360
know the Triple H and CM Punk
Havin had the greatest of relationship, but

735
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.480
the Devil's advocate. This all is
that this is we and we know that

736
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.639
controversy creates cash, and they've let
a lot of people back in that door

737
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.920
that they've had issues with, whether
the Bhul Cooke and Altered Warrior, Brett

738
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.400
Hart, they've all returned at some
point. Will they open the door again

739
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.679
to see him Punk or see him
Punk the one guy that has made the

740
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.119
McMahon family, including Triple H.
He's part of that family. Go Nope,

741
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:51.880
this is it. This is where
I draw the line to say,

742
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:57.760
and that asshole's not coming back.
You know, don't forget cm Punk also

743
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.960
visited Impact Wrestling. That's saying we
in that he visited w because both shows

744
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.800
were in town. So I mean
the Impact Zone could welcome back to see

745
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:10.400
Impunk and maybe even Julio di Naro, Raven Clockwork of Orange Match. Let's

746
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.559
go there, you go? Uh, Like that would be the if you

747
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.079
talk about the greatest returned into a
company wrestling history, it would be c

748
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.840
im Punk going back to Impact of
all places. Uh. But you know,

749
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.159
one of the one of the things
you said they're about, like,

750
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:32.639
you know, it's about money.
That's the biggest between AW and ww Wwe

751
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.760
eventually will put feelings aside for the
good of the company and not to mention

752
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:45.000
we have the ww Endeavor merger which
owns UFC, and Punk and Dana White

753
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.360
apparently still have a good relationship,
you know. So it's like it's kind

754
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.920
of like see him Punk with Fox
when he got them backstage, I had

755
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.039
a gurlzer with Fox. They you
know, pumped hibout the w EC to

756
00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.760
give him a spot on the show. So that's why he was under a

757
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:05.519
Fox contracting, not a w w
E contract. So money cures ailments,

758
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.679
I mean, is really the stuff
I mean there is, Okay, maybe

759
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:14.159
maybe Punks on a little bit higher
level than what Goldberg said about w tow

760
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.960
for Deck for almost a decade and
then made a return, you know.

761
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:22.400
I mean, I mean in Goldberg
in Triple H literally wanted to fight each

762
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:29.519
other. Punk and Triple I mean
the things line up like eventually money cures

763
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.360
all ailments because guess what, I
may hate you, but if I'm gonna

764
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:36.320
get to pick payday out of it, I'll put my feelings aside. It's

765
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.440
the one thing you and I say
here and talked about, why is not

766
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:45.679
Punk in Obega at all in a
Wembley Stadium biggest money match you've had and

767
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:51.239
you just put aside because somebody's feelings
gould have gotten hurt. It makes no

768
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.320
sense to me, like I'm trying
to run a business, not a friendship.

769
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.320
And I think that's where eight of
you misses the boat. Sometimes they

770
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:04.119
don't capitalize on stuff to make their
product even bigger for the sake of hurting

771
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.119
somebody's feelings. Last thing I want
to talk about here, doctor Trey,

772
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:14.599
is how does this entire situation affect
the legacy of cmpunk in your mind?

773
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:19.679
If he ends up back in WWW
and has a decent run, I think

774
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.559
people look at it as like,
yeah, him and adw is like oil

775
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.760
and water. It doesn't mesh and
it was probably a bad decision on everybody.

776
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.559
If he does not go back to
W, then this is that,

777
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.639
you know, that black cloud that's
going to linger over him, you know,

778
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.559
for as long as he's doing autograph
signings and book signings and things like

779
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:44.159
that. Like it kind of depends
if there is a next chapter to the

780
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.559
book of cmpunk and what that chapter
is. If he goes back to Impact,

781
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.559
it has a two year run and
Impact and Impact World Champion, people

782
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.519
won't remember it fifteen years from now. They'll be like, oh, yeah,

783
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:58.039
I member, he got fired from
ADW. But if he pops into

784
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.920
what we're September, if he shows
up at the Royal Rumble this year and

785
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.199
gets that huge response and ends up
in one of the featured matches at Wrestle

786
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:13.360
Media, hey, maybe even the
last match on a Wrestle Media night.

787
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:15.960
We're not gonna like, We're just
gonna look at the AW. Sub was

788
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:20.119
like, yeah, it's kind of
like when WCW had issues with half their

789
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.920
roster and people were bailing out because
it was poorly run. That's I literally

790
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:30.079
think that's where the crossroads and all
this is is the next chapter of the

791
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.320
CM punk. Keep in mind,
if these reports are true, his experience

792
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.199
in AW was so bad that he
was willing to go back to way.

793
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.599
I think that's like the way that
we summ it up here, the place

794
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:46.000
that almost killed him. Yeah yeah, and actually where he actually felt his

795
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:52.800
life was being threatened. Yeah,
and then that was like really deep bad

796
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.440
blood there at some points. I
mean, they went to court with one

797
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.840
night, which again they fired him
on honeymoon they did, yeah, I

798
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:07.000
mean, and I mean really bad
stuff that went on between those two.

799
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.519
So last week I asked, you
did we just see see him Punk's last

800
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:14.400
match in AW. I now ask
you in general, Doctor Trey, have

801
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.880
we watched the imp Punk's last resting
match? No, because other companies look

802
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.679
at this and they see how what
was the numbers on Collision? How much

803
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.760
did the ratings drop after they bade
the announcement, Like there's like forty percent

804
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:29.440
drop or something like that. There's
some weird number like that when they now

805
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.239
see him Punk was fired, like
the ratings drop. Other companies look at

806
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.440
that, go, well, obviously, that means he's a draw. If

807
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.840
he can draw money for us,
why would we not figure out some way

808
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.119
to use him. This would be
a huge slap in the face for w

809
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.679
WE to a W two if they
brought back Punk. In my opinion,

810
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:53.039
Oh yeah, not on I mean, you're you're you're going So you say

811
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.239
in the last two years, you
could take Cody Rhodes and see him Punk

812
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:02.840
from AW send me up arguably the
two of the three biggest names that have

813
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.440
walked in the door of that company, Because I will tell you I think

814
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:13.360
Cody and seem Punk are bigger names
than John Mockley. J Jericho'll be the

815
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.960
only one I put in those three, they're a bigger name than Brian Danielson.

816
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.119
Agree. So, so two of
the three biggest names your company has

817
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:28.480
had walked out of the door.
One walked out willingly despite how much money

818
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:32.199
you offered him to stay, and
the other one was so miserable he tried

819
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.719
to figure out a way to get
fired and had already gone to two other

820
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.079
companies while under contract to figure out
a way to get there. Well,

821
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.320
okay, so you since you said
that, I brought it up on last

822
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.039
week's show that I felt like he
was looking for ways to get fired.

823
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.960
It just felt like that based on
the stories. Do you think Seampunk was

824
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:55.159
looking to get fired by aw Ah
not. I don't think see him Punk

825
00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:00.960
was actually actively trying to get fired, because there's ways of doing that.

826
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:06.599
I think that, based on what
happened at all in he had just hit

827
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.119
his breaking point, like all this, like the meeting, the travel shit,

828
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.519
there's twenty two year old popping off
at the mouth at him and him

829
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.480
feeling like like nobody had his back
in any of this other than FTR.

830
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.639
Yeah, at that point I think
he was just like, fucking I'm done.

831
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:27.880
I think he kept trying to make
it work because he was. I

832
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:32.480
mean, Collision was a cohesive.
That was a really great show. The

833
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:36.880
last couple of episodes have not been
good. Yeah, and he hasn't really

834
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:38.280
been around to help out on those, like the stuff that he was supposed

835
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.880
to get therefore helping out on and
you know an FDR had a hand in.

836
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:49.599
Those were fantastic shows and really good
television, great announcing storyline and I

837
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.920
enjoyed it. Yeah, and that
to me shows he was trying to make

838
00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:00.360
it work. It's like when you
work like I don't. I I've been

839
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.880
in places where I'm like I'm busting
my ass, and every time I do

840
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.480
something good in my job, it
feels like somebody's there to undermine me.

841
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.960
And you just get to a breaking
point and you're just like, strew it.

842
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:14.159
If you fire me, you fire
me. I don't care. And

843
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:15.840
I think after what happened, I
think what happened at all in he was

844
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:19.079
just like, strew it. I'm
done. I don't care what you do.

845
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.360
At this point, he did say
I quit. That's what they were

846
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:22.360
saying as I quit, and Tony
Kama was like, no, you don't

847
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:30.760
quit, You're fired. The Rick
Flaire, I'm so fire I don't you

848
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:35.480
fire me. I'm already fired.
Fire me, I'm already fired. So

849
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.599
the chapter's over for now. I
guess the AW CM punk chapter is officially

850
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.960
over. I'm kind of mind blown
because I think if there was any organization

851
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.559
or promotion where CM punk would like
do really well and it would be a

852
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:55.039
w So, I mean, we'll
never truly know, you know, who's

853
00:58:55.079 --> 00:59:00.599
at fault here, AW or CM
Punk, A little of both probably you

854
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:06.039
know somewhere is in the middle.
Is the truth shocking that this could not

855
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.400
work itself out at some point and
do what's right. But I've been saying

856
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.840
that for a while. It's like, how the hell could they be going

857
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:15.239
to Wembley and it's so bad that
the elite and Sampunk can't get together and

858
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.800
try to make some money. I
never understood that, and maybe maybe that's

859
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.199
where I lean a little bit more
towards Sampunk, because everything that we're hearing

860
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.559
is that Punk did want to meet
with him, didn't want to work with

861
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.159
him. That's why he had that
really bad promo about hanging on page that

862
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.119
we covered a couple of weeks ago
in the show. After the Collision went

863
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:38.320
off the air, I don't know. I don't know how you don't capitalize

864
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.800
on and I guess it's that bad
that they just don't want to do anything.

865
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.599
So we'll see why this is gonna
be something we're gonna be talking about

866
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.599
for the next couple of weeks for
sure, the verifications. Who knows.

867
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:50.800
There's reports out there that Sampunk is
supposed to be responding soon and it's going

868
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.440
to be quote explosive. I don't
know if it's as explosive as that diarrhea

869
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.039
that ground to that delta plane orever
the hell that was a couple of days

870
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:04.039
ago. Maybe it's it's very explosive, but hopefully it doesn't lead to lead

871
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.559
any legal ramifications like the last time. So I'm sure his lawyer, cempunks

872
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.960
lawyers probably taking a look at what
this statement's gonna before he comes out and

873
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.800
says anything. But the cm punk
era in all elite wrestling is over,

874
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:20.840
and it feels like over before it
ever started, quite honestly, because a

875
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:27.000
lot of injury time. Yeah,
it's it's up. It's sad. It's

876
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.280
ultimately it's sad. I thought this
was gonna really be great for AW and

877
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.760
it's been quite the opposite. With
that, let's close up shop on this

878
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.320
week's ssition the podcast, we'll get
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879
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.000
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880
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882
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01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.800
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884
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.639
podcast. With that being said,
it was going on the one for Old

885
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.880
of Dutch Tre Franklin this week by
the Sampunk as Many a w world title

886
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:07.800
reigns as Kenny Omega Adam Paige combined
tied tie David, Yeah, I said

887
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.639
as many. Oh he has as
many paints, So there you go,

888
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.559
but yes for more ten minutes like
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889
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Twitter at the gottor Trey. You
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890
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.800
histogram Doctor Trey Franklin. When you're
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891
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:27.239
Wrestling check out Spartan Championship Wrestling,
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892
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:31.000
Stay of Alabama who do really really
good work. And I don't think I

893
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:37.920
have fired anybody with cause recently.
And I will say this if anybody has

894
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:39.480
met Barry cole Off. Arry call
Off has six foot two, two hundred

895
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.480
and forty pounds and owned the gym. I don't think there's a wrestler that

896
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.480
could confront him to make Barry coll
Off fear for his life. I'll give

897
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.800
him that, but be sure to
go take those shows out. Go take

898
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:54.599
out your flompeny wresting shows so you
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899
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:00.840
You go support all the great things
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900
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:07.199
week when maybe we'll have some more
on this seampunk situation or wrestling in general.

901
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.119
I mean there is other wrestling and
we had for DC straight Franklin,

902
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:13.480
I'm Jeff peck enjoy the weekend.
Thank you for downloading. This has been

903
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a show. Didn't didn't didn't