CM Punk is back in the WWE and Survivor Series Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #720 – 11/30/23

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It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to
this week's This in Miss Real No Show,

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Episode number seven and twenty for November
thirty, twenty twenty three. This

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is your WWE Survivor series recap and
review edition of as Rute You. I

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am one after the show, I
am Jeff Peck joined every single week from

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my post, I want to write
doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey cm punk

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is back in the w W my
friend, So it's officially off the band

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list. Then, technically, because
we had a rule we were not allowed

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to talk about is cm punk coming
back to WWE for seven years? We've

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had that rule. Eight years we've
had that rule, and now we can

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actually officially take it off the table. So the only thing left we can't

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talk about is John Cena Heelshurn.
Yeah. I mean, I guess I've

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Seena turns heel next year. Then
we've completed everything in the show. We'll

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wrap up right then and there and
we will say goodbye. We typically kick

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off a show with obviously the recap
interview of a major ple in Survivor series,

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but I feel like we can't go
through the pl and not talk about

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this because the news cycle that is
Phil cmpunk Brooks, and the history of

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this podcast is synonymous. Since the
first time he cut the pipe bomb promo

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really in twenty twelve to now,
there are many, many, many episodes,

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especially this past year and the year
prior that cmpunk has dominated the major

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story of each and every one of
these podcasts. He has returned toe for

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the first time in nine years.
The last time he was in World Wrestling

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Entertainment was the Royal Roumul of twenty
fourteen. How long ago was this all?

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It was the PREWE Network era of
anything. The WWE Network launched three

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weeks later. He was not part
of the company then or he was away

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at that point. There have been
nine wrestlemanie is obviously since then. How

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I was working in radio when I
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back then. That's how many years
it's been. We nearly reached the ten

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year mark if it reached January twenty
twenty four, but save us a couple

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months, Cmpunk is back ine.
This is something we really didn't cover on

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last week's show because quite honestly,
Doctor Trey, unless you feel differently,

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I went in the last week's podcast
thinking it wasn't going to happen. I

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did not think at all Cmpunk was
heading back to we did you see or

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read or feel anything like he was
going to be showing up this past Sunday,

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excuse me, Saturday night. So
one of the things I've kind of

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realized over the last victual, the
last two years, is you get initial

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reports and then we get like two
months of debunking the initial report, and

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then the initial report happens. So
I kind of went into Survivor series thinking

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like, if it was ever going
to happen in a perfect storm, it

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would be in Chicago because you're going
to get such a positive reaction from the

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crowd, it's gonna be hard to
combat it. So I kind of went

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in thinking about maybe seventy percent chance
he's going to show up and thirty percent

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chance he wasn't. Because you know, we've talked about it, You and

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I talked about over the past month, like you have to counterprogram Adam Copeland

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going to aw and if you're gonna
counter program it, there's no better counterprogramming

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than see I'm Punk. So I
was. I felt good, but it

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wasn't like concrete, if that makes
sense. So about Friday, Friday Nights

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Saturday, I started seeing these like
random tweets that people had said close to

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cmpunk, and it didn't come from
like a seen ross Sapp or any major

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PW inside or type reporters that cmpunk. Sources close to cmpunk said that he

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has had had conversations with top ww
Brass over the last week, and there

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was a report out there that he
had talked to top Talent as well.

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And then I saw someone share had
a tweet that like in a Living color

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who I actually saw a concert earlier
this year in place Cult of Personality had

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remastered Cult of Personality. It was
up on Apple Music, Like this,

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this is really strange, Like I
went into the show last week thinking that

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we were not gonna be talking about
this a week later, and then as

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the show got close and I'm like, no, this this is just all

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bs. Like it's these random Twitter
accounts that I'm seeing has come from.

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And Sean ross Sapp hadn't had anything
out there. Wrussell Voe, which is

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always a very close source to WWE
on Twitter or x, they had nothing.

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Nick Cosmon, who's been very close
to the seampunk situation, he had

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nothing going in there. He said
that the sources he was talking to he

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felt like he was not going to
be in Chicago at Survivor's series of War

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Games, and so I just went
in the show thinking, Oh, this

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isn't going to happen. And then, obviously, as we all know,

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the famous end credits graphic that has
come up that was synonymous with NXC takeovers

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that we remember with goes up at
the end of War Games, Cempunk's music

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hit and it is the most surprised
and shocked I have been as a professional

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wrestling fan in probably thirty years.
We live in a day and age,

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Doctor Trey, and this is a
good thing. Let me say that.

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Start off that with we live in
a day and age where you go on

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X, you go on your wrestling
news websites, you listen to podcasts likes

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ours, and you see tea leaves
of what could be happening or what will

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be happening, and things start to
leak and spoilers start to come out,

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and the surprise still happens, and
there's a lot of excitement in there,

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but it's like a seventy five to
ninety percent feeling of joy and excitement that

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it came to. This was one
hundred percent shock and surprise, something that

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you don't see nowadays. It's pre
Internet era. I can't think of anything

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off the top of my head that
this is reminiscent or similar to. And

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I loved absolutely everything about it.
And I immediately thought to myself, maybe

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it's time I stopped reading wrestling news
websites. But I'm so damn addictive to

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it, and we have to do
podcasts, so I can't do that.

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But I loved it, Doctor Tray. It took me back to my childhood

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in days when you didn't know what
was going on, and if you did,

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you had a dial a one nine
hundred number and pay ninety nine cents

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a minute and rack up your grandmother's
phone bill. Because I did that several

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times and gotten a lot of trouble
for it. But regress, it was

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a beautiful moment, Doctor Trey.
I loved it. We'll start picking apart

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the interests of it all, but
the surprise and shock factor. Holy crap.

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My job was on the floor Saturday
night. Yeah, so I got

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I got spoiled on it, Like
I did not watch the Virus Serves Life,

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So I purposely stayed off of try
to stay off all social media until

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I got a chance to watch the
show, because there was that part of

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this thinking like, yeah, it's
probably gonna happen, because not only did

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there was that initial report and then
nothing, but I also went back to

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the previous year when they were in
Chicago and he had the conversation with Triple

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Ah and it was Vince that asked
him to leave. I saw his you

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know, his Twitter, his ex
account, you know, kind of posting

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a couple of things from you know, the the old school Devil photo from

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you know, the old old w
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something here, so I have purposely
stayed away. And then of course one

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of my friends has to screenshot the
TV and text it to me like can

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you believe this is happening? And
I was like such a jerk, Like

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but still I was. I didn't
tell my wife, and so we watched

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Survivor series Sunday and the end of
the show comes up and she's like,

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well, that's a pretty good show, and I'm like, it's not over

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yet, and then you hear the
music hit and she's a dieharcy I'm punk

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fan. So I got to at
least experience the joy and adulation through her

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eyes. But I was still pumped
because not only is you know, Punk

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one of our favorite performers in the
history of this show. I just started

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going, Man, it's gonna be
really really interesting to see where this goes,

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what happens, what's a work,
what's a shoot? Where are these

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people gonna fall in line? I
was just got really really excited about it.

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And to me, the only thing
comparable to this was the Hardy Boys

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return. That's a good one.
Yeah, that's a good comparison because they

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wrestled the night before in a ladder
match with the Young Bucks, and I

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was like, there's no way they're
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the fact they were just on a
show, albeit down the road, but

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like, they're not gonna come over
and in the next night. So that

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was the only thing recently I compared
it to. But even that there was

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there was not the bridge burning with
the Hardys and WWE as there was with

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Cmpunk, And so in terms of
that, I mean for the shock value

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and then look, I'm gonna still
aligne the hell freezing over aspect of it.

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This is the most shocking thing I've
seen in thirty years, because you

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have to, like, the only
thing comparable would be Goldberg in a sense

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when Goldberg first came back because of
the animasity with him and Triple H.

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What about Brett, Yeah, yeah, I bred as well, but like

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Brett did I mean it guess Golbert
also like those two with how bad the

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bridges were burnt, but by the
time they appeared, we kind of knew

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it was coming. So like this
on shock value and overcoming Bridges, man,

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like, I really can't think of
anything else outside of that, Like

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in the last twenty thirty years,
it just goes to show you that professional

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wrestling like it it ultimately always works
itself out and there's that shock surprise.

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I can't believe I'm watching this on
my television that you can't get anywhere else.

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Watch Survivors there at the end of
it multiple times and had that feeling.

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Watched Monday Night Raw, watch that
segment at the end with Punk multiple

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times, and that's the feeling I
had. And for those fans that are

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you know, Aw's only fans or
seeing Punk only fans, it's it's like,

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well, I mean, what's the
big deal? We just saw him

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on television, you know, eight
weeks ago, twelve weeks ago, in

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All Lead Wrestling, and it's like, yeah, no, I get that.

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And Punk coming back to wrestling is
something I never thought I would see

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again. And he came back two
years ago, but I never thought that

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I would see him Punk back in
a ring once he went to All Lead

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Wrestling. Once aw happened, I
felt like, this is how he's going

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to end his career. This is
the twilight. If he ever comes back

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to w WI, it's they mended
fences. It's some sort of legends contract.

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Maybe he works one match, but
he goes into Hall of Fame and

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you know, tips his hat to
the fans, and that's really it,

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because you know, that's like what
other people who had burned bridges with the

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company, like the late Great Ultimate
Warrior did, and I could see that

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being reminiscent. I never thought that
brawl out twenty twenty two and then the

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all in fight with Jack Perry and
then the firing, and my life was

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threatened that Tony Kahn say would would
have led down this road. You know,

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everything that you had read was that
w was not interested right away,

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and it's just completely shocking. It's
wild because he comes back Thanksgiving weekend twenty

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twenty three and Thanksgiving twenty fourteen was
when the Art of Wrestling podcast when he

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and Colt Combana came out. That
led to a couple of lawsuits here and

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there. It was the first time
Punkin spoke since his firing from w leaving

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WWI, he did not speak for
about the entire situation for nearly eleven months,

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and in that interview, he tore
apart w Medical, he tore apart

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Vince rick Mann, he tore apart
Triple H, he tore a part the

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company, and basically vowed to never
go back. So here we are nine

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years later, and he's returned the
time heels all wound, all that stuff.

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A lot of people have a lot
of different opinions on this, Doctor

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Trey, Like, what are your
thoughts on this when it comes to the

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man sampunk here, you know,
he's returned to the company that he lamb

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basted pretty damn hard. He's being
called the hypocrite. People are saying he's

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the best hypocrite in the world.
Do you agree with those assumptions? Like

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what's the vibe here? Because we're
still trying to It's it's Wednesday night that

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you and I recorded this for the
Thursday download, and I'm still trying to

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get my head around this. Yeah, I mean, once again, I

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think Triple H said best of one
of his commas calls. He goes,

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it's been ten years. I mean, you and I have been doing this

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show for twelve, thirteen, fourteen
years. You and I are not the

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same people we were ten years ago. If people held us to the same

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things we adamly said ten years ago, they would call us hypocrits as well.

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You know, things change, time
changes, time heals all wounds,

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and you know, for me,
like the fact that he went to do

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the SmackDown show with Renee, you
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E know you mean backstage, backstage, Yes, the fact that he was

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on that show. That to me
like, you don't work that show unless

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you're gonna have some contact with WWE. And I would have been more adamant

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that he was a hypocrite then that
I am now, because why would you

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be in bed with a company even
though you're not technically under ww contract,

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but you're still working for a WWE
show when you so adamly said you would

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never work there again. Well,
you're kind of working there at this point.

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I look at like, look,
AW rekindled his love of professional wrestling,

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and when you fall in love,
when you fall in love and fall

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out of love, that fall back
in love, it's really hard to get

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that out of your system. And
you know, for lack of a their

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term here, the fire still burns
for him with professional wrestling, and you

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know you're gonna take advantage of it. To me, I look at it

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like one of the things and I
said after brawl out was if AW smart,

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you capitalize on the business aspect of
what this can do for your company.

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Because everybody like, if we had
done one see them Punk Kenny Omega

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match, where would AWB at today? If we did one CM Punk or

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CMFTR the Elite match, where would
AWP at today? But they didn't capitalize

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on because they're playing to people's egos
and people's feelings being hurt and stuff like

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that. WWE's they're about business and
if you could do business, they're gonna

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make it work somehow. And that
just shows you that triple H. If

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it's smart for business, you will
find a way to where to make it

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work. And you and I sat
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fence mending that guy can do.
Whether it was the Ultimate Warrior, whether

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it's Bruno, Sam Martino, you
know, whoever it was that swore they

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would never come back and be a
part of the company. It was Triple

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h that mended those fences to get
people back in. You and I never

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thought Cody Rose would ever be back
at WWE, and he's there now because

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it was best for business. And
it's a shame that's it's such becomes such

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a catch for But at the end
of the day, you do what's best

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for the company as a whole,
because nobody in this something Vince talked about

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years ago. No one person is
bigger than the WWE. People are going

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to come, people are going to
go, but the company has to survive

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all of these things. And Vince
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you would go into Hollywood how much
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everything was built around one guy and
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He's never made that mistake again.
Hunter's learned from that. He's made

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sense for you know, all these
people to come back to the company we

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never thought would be there again.
And this is just an example of we

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have to do it's best for the
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a Froba cosa like if the amazing, amazing thing about this whole thing is

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me reading that he cited a multiple
a multi year deal. I thought he

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would do a one. I thought, at best it'd be like a one

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year deal with like some it's like, you know, you signed obj Odell

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Beckham Junior or you sign Antonio Brown. You're not signing those guys long term.

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He goes down to a one year
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I thought they would do a one
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enough confidence to go no, I'll
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can keep him in line and keep
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on shows a lot of confidence in
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and everything else. You got to
tip your cap to w W because they've

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always said that, you know,
they'll do what's best for business, so

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if the fans want it, they
will deliver no matter what the burden bridge

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was that led into it, and
they clearly have shown that again and again

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and again. There was a period
of time that nobody thought Hulkchan would come

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back to w W. He came
back. There's a period of time that

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they thought Brett Hart would never come
back. He came back, Doctor Tray,

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said Goldberg. He came back,
came to the company, and then

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came back again. It's just it's
wild. It really is what w will

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do for the sake of their business, and you got to tip their your

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cap to them for that, whether
you like them or not, Like they

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will do what the fans want and
what helps their business, dot matter how

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personal it may be. Yeah,
it's completely wild, Doctor Trey. This

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is a really important time in Cmpunk's
career. The last fourteen months have not

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been kind to him in the news
cycle because he's had a couple backstage altercations.

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There's been reports of demands and attitude
problems. And if you like seeing

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Punk, the story is very positive. If you dislike Cempunk, the story

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could be very negative. He is
a polarizing figure. He was publicly fired

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by the number two wrestling promotion in
the United States of All Elite Wrestling by

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Tony Kahan, who said quote,
I felt my life was threatened, like

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that's some pretty serious stuff that's being
thrown out there by an owner of another

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wrestling company. Much of this is
a redemption story for CM Punk. How

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much of this is his last chance? How much of this is him saving

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his legacy and professional wrestling. I
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is cementing his legacy. I think, like if you look went back and

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looked at the career of cy up
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to like, like Tom Brady,
Look look at Tom Brady. Tom Brady

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had a great run to Patriots,
you know, and then he had the

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good start in Tampa Bay, but
the career didn't finish up great. I

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don't think Tom Brady's legacy is diminished
by the last couple of years into Tampa,

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you know. Joe Montana, Like
I'm a diehard Dinners fan, Joe

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Montana's last couple of years of Kansas
City. It's not take away from the

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legacy of Joe Montana to be if
you look at the career CM Punk,

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like you look at the guys,
Arguably, the guy's a Hall of Famer.

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You know, he got over every
single where he went. He became

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polarizing every single where he wins and
then took seven years off and then came

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back and a company literally built an
entire show for him and not to mention

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two time aw world champions. So
I think his legacy is not in danger,

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but he needs to have a good
run here to kind of quell those

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doubters, those people that want to
you know, bash him for how he's

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running adw ended. I mean,
but if you go back and look at

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almost every single person in the history
of wrestling when they left a company that

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was never nobody ever mutually parts ways, you know, acrimoniously, They're always

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gonna there's usually always an edge or
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So this is his chance to kind
of re cement that legacy ended on

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a positive note and you know,
like you said, get the most out

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of it while you can before you
wrap things up. So I for him,

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I think this is just a chance
to kind of you know, clear

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everything up and end things on a
high notes. Yeah, what do you

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so is that the main motivation here? Like, what what do you think

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is driving him to get back to
Dotie Wie. Is Is it the redemption?

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Then? Yeah, I think part
of it is you know, kind

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of Cody finishing the story in a
sense, like you know, if you

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have an opportunity to come back and
you're not under the same leadership of places

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under like you and I have both
works of places that things didn't end well

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for us. And if that company
ever came back to us and they're like,

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hey, we got a whole new
leadership, meet with who's in charge.

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Now, see if you like the
fit, we can try it again,

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you would at least listen to what
they have to say. It's also

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a way of him looking and going, look, I tried to make the

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other place more professional. Obviously they
didn't like it. So here's my chance

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to come work somewhere else with the
structure, with organization and kind of stick

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it to those guys and show them
what they're missing out on. So it's

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a little bit of redemption and a
little bit of building on that legacy and

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and things anything's properly, I guess, yeah. Do you think this is

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also a case of the grass isn't
always greener on the other side, Like

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he was in aw for for two
years. I know he was injured for

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you know, a decent amount of
it. On that second here, but

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is this him like being in AW
and going like, holy crap, I

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had it good in w W.
I think that's very true for a lot

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of folks, a lot of folks
who grow up in the WW system.

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When they go to AW, it's
you know, the organization is, the

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structure's not there like it is in
WWE, and when you're in w W

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kind of takes some of those things
for granted. And because it's so normal,

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it's like, oh, like this
is always taking care for me,

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or this is always handled for me, or somebody else handles this in an

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AAW. You know, you go
back from travel thing for you know,

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for all In and Webley Stadium and
that was an issue. It's like,

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yeah, we don't hear about those
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the plane ride from Hell, so
two travel issues in twenty years, twenty

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thirty years, and you I have
watched wrestling, you know, but you

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hear about that a little more often
with AW. You know, the structure,

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the egos and things like that.
The leaks that come out of AW,

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you typically don't hear about those things. In ww unless they want you

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to hear about them. So,
you know, it is kind of like,

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you know, so when you've been
somewhere for a very long time,

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you kind of take things for granted. You try somewhere else out because they

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promise all this stuff, and you
get there, you're like, yeah,

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the creative freedom might be there,
but there's no structure, there's no organization,

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there's no the sandbox isn't structured.
You're just running off and down a

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beach with not knowing where the boundaries
are. So I think this is you

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know, him in a structured environment
is usually very successful him when things don't

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go, I would say to his
liking, but in the normal sense is

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when he fights back. I mean, his time in TNA wasn't great because

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there wasn't that infrastructure there. His
time in you know, OVW wasn't great

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because there was you know, he
had one person that reported to, but

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the other people were telling them other
things. So once he got to WWE,

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it was really like the launching point
because there was that structure, there

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was that finite voice of everything runs
through this one person, where I don't

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think that's always the case. At
AW there was obviously two things he said

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during his promo that shocked the hell
out of me because I never thought I

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would hear see Hi Punk say these
words. But standing in a w W

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ring holding a microphone on Monday night
raw, he said, quote, I'm

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home. How shocking was that to
hear a little bit? But it's it's

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the prodigal son, like he right
now is the epitome of like we talked

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about, they called Cody that when
he returned. Punk's the same way.

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Punk is the prodigal son. He's
the kid that wanted to run off and

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do things on his own and rebel
against dad and everybody else. And you

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know now that he's older and wiser
and you know, appreciates the structure,

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I guess then it is shocking.
But in reality, if you think about

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it, it makes sense, like
that's the company that made him who he

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is. He might be Chicago made
Punk, but in reality he's fas mc

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man made Punk and WW made Punk. So him coming back is kind of

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like a homecoming for him. Last
question here, doctor Trevi, before start

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to recap reviewed Sarar series war games, where do we go from here?

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The end of Cervar series war games? He returns a lot of video of

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Seth freaking Ronalds freaking out. The
belief is that was Rollin's working an angle,

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even though it looked really really legit
and serious, which if it was

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him working an angle, major props
to him, perfect way to do it,

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I would imagine it is. If
he was actually acting out like that,

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it would be not rate. Yeah, So where do we go from

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here with CM punk? What's what's
the what's the next six to twelve months

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look like? Here? I think
we have Seth Rowlands WrestleMania partner. I

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think right now you would on paper
and you go, well if if the

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Rock's not coming back, and I
think that's where you and I are at

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now, Like I don't think you
make the CM punk stigning if you know,

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Duanne Johnson's coming back to WrestleMania,
So we do coding and Roman.

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You need you need somebody for CM
punk. I mean you need somebody for

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Seth Rowlins that makes sense and gets
y rates. And it's the same thing

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you and I talked about with Kenny
Omega. You felt like there was real

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life heat. Real life heat translates
a good business if there is real life

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heat between Seth rawlins and sea a
punk. Why would you not capitalize on

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that at the biggest st Joe Mall
So, I think that's gonna be Seth

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supported for WrestleMania. Where we go
after that is the question, like do

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you put the title, Like do
you trust see them Punk enough to put

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it's the World Heavyweight Championship on him
at wrestle Media and it does. If

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that's the case, I think I
don't think you go that wrong. I

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think Seth wins and then Punk turns
heel because I think right now he's gonna

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kind of float in the middle between
now and then teasing the tension, teezy

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on that stuff, and then you
know we've seen before, You get that

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great pop, that happy crowd,
everybody loves the guy, and then kind

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of let that initial honeymoon period wear
off and then you can turn him healed

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and he'll still sell merchandise. People
love him as a heel. Either that

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or see him Punk goes the route
that Drew McIntyre didn't, you know,

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starts blaming everybody else in the Seth
turns heel. But I think that's the

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route you go is you let Seth
retain and wrestle Media. You let Cody

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Way at wrestle Media, then you
have the Heels chasing the baby faces for

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a little bit. But I think
the honeymoon here will be to wrestled Media

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and then we'll find out what the
real seam Punk is coming out, because

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as much as we all want to
see SETH and Punk go at it,

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I still think Roman Cody close up
the show, and then Puck still hasn't

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made events in the WrestleMania obviously talked
about in his mind anyway. Obviously,

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Doctor Trey and I are not in
the locker room of All Lee Wrestling,

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But it appears to me from the
outside looking in that the similar mindsets of

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the Cody Roads, Jade Card Gill, and now CM Punk, very similar

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mindsets have ended up in w and
left All Lee Wrestling and the folks that

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are more of the mindset of the
elite's way of thinking, of the young

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Bucks and Kenny Omega, they've Remaine
Aw. There are people on the AW

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roster that to me are Cody Roads
Cmpunk type people. Look at the original

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first couple episodes of Collision, the
Ricky Starks, the Revival, FTR Powerhouse,

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Hobbs, wardlows of the world that
were a little bit more team Cody,

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team mindset of Jade and I guess
team Cmpunk than what would be perceived

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in the rest of all Lee wrestling. Makes you wonder if some other folks

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could be on their way to WI
in twenty twenty four. And beyond being

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that, the Cmpunk's Jade card gills
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we talked on last week's show.
We'll talk about him later on the current

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AW World champion MJF. I don't
think he's gonna be one of those names

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that makes their way over to we
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side, But boy, this is
a really interesting, intriguing and fun time.

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And I know we're not at the
end of the year officially yet,

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but all I could think of when
the Punk stuff happened after a really good

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Survivor series war Games was like,
Man, I think twenty twenty three,

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Doctor Trey maybe the best year of
professional wrestling we've ever covered in the history

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of this podcast, whether it be
the in ring stuff that's going on,

406
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.960
the storylines, the events themselves,
the news stories that have come out this

407
00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.440
year. This has been an absolutely
phenomenal year for professional wrestling. I thought

408
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:06.559
it was fitting that we had a
very phenomenal end to Survivors series this past

409
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:10.079
Saturday night. Yeah. The funny
thing was, I remember when we did

410
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:14.079
the year in Reward for twenty twenty
two, we did like a news story

411
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.319
of the year. You and I
sat here and said, like in any

412
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:19.799
other year we had covered the show
any one I think of that four or

413
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.599
five options we were looking at.
Any one of them and any other year

414
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.480
could have been news story of the
year. And you look at it now

415
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:33.519
and go with seeing Plug returns to
WWE, Edge goes to AWLD, w

416
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:38.119
sold, Vince doesn't have any power
like any one of those things could be

417
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:42.160
story of the year. And those
three things, those four things really just

418
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:48.400
happened in the last five months.
That's not counting together seven months before it.

419
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.640
So from a news point of view, from entering point of view,

420
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.119
yeah, twenty twenty three has been
a year. But then again, we

421
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.319
also have more wrestling available to watch
on television now than we ever have before.

422
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.200
So if you're punching or putting out
that much content, by got it

423
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:11.839
better, because at least otherwise you're
people going to get Overgill and you're oversaturated

424
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.160
the market, and I don't think
we're at that. I think we get

425
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.480
to those tipping points of times where
it's like there's too much, and then

426
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.200
you have a week like this,
you're like, Okay, I can't get

427
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:22.680
enough. I want to see more
CMPUK and WB. I want to see

428
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.400
more Adam Coelan and AW. I
want to see what AW responds to the

429
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.559
counter program to CMPUK STEPT. Like
I got to tune into like all these

430
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.039
other shows this week just to kind
of figure out what's going on because my

431
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:40.720
appetite is still wanting more even though
I have wrestling on my TVs usually six

432
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.680
nights a week. Yeah yeah,
I mean for me, I think the

433
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.920
AWWW stuff and AWW taking shots like
we're recording this durned donamit right now?

434
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.599
Maybe there's been a couple of shots
that have been fired. I don't really

435
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.680
want to hear it anymore. In
all honesty, like wrestling is really good

436
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.640
right now because of aw pushing WWE, and I think that's great for professional

437
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.960
wrestling fans, not just WWE fans, not just AW fans, as professional

438
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.359
wrestling fans. Is that these two
major companies that pushed each other. And

439
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.839
from what I've learned over the last
twenty three years twenty two to twenty three

440
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:20.039
years since WW closed to AW launching
in twenty nineteen, is we need to

441
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.599
live in a world in the United
States at least where there are two prominent

442
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.960
wrestling companies pushing one another like AW
and WR right now, because that is

443
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.359
what benefits us. Why was the
late ninety so good in ninety six,

444
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.960
two, two thousand and one because
W versus WW is going on? Why

445
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.359
is wrestling so good in twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty three because AW ANDW

446
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.119
are pushing each other right now.
It's great for US wrestling fans. And

447
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.119
I guess in a famous person one
said, just kind of soak it in,

448
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.480
man. So it's it's good times, It really is. It's it's

449
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.319
mind blowing right now that we're talking
about cmpunk back in we But that's where

450
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.079
we're at right now. With that
said, let's get into w W Survivor

451
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.000
Series War Games recap review. It
came to us this past Saturday from the

452
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.039
Alsidareen in Rosemont, Illinois. The
first match here Doctor Trey was Bianca bell

453
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:14.759
Ara start Flair Shotzi and Becky Lynch
defeating Damage Control in the women's Wargames match.

454
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.279
We both had Bianca Bella Aira's team
to getting the victory. This match

455
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.200
got better and better and better as
it progressed. The final spots where the

456
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.559
Wargames match began once everyone was in
the ring was really good, obviously something

457
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.799
Biggest Companies. Bailey was considered to
be Damage Control's MVP by the commentators.

458
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.920
Made several saves but ended up taking
the pin. Those moments will help get

459
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.400
her over as a vaceho w creative
go forward with Damage Control turning on her

460
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:43.319
like I suspect, very fun match. As I said before, it got

461
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.079
better and better and better as it
went on. Doctor Treyer thoughts on the

462
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.240
Women's Wargame match, Yeah, I
thought it was a damn good Wargames match.

463
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.200
My only knock on it was Kyrie
saying still a little bit out of

464
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:59.039
sync with everybody else in the match, Like there was some noticeable spots she

465
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.200
kind of missed outside of that storytelling
whise everything else. I thought it was

466
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:08.800
spot on and and maybe we get
the Three horse Women versus uh, you

467
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.719
know, Oscar, Kyrie and Eu
at some point and maybe that's the route

468
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.159
they go, but I thought overall
it was it was a really really good

469
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.760
female or women's wargame match. Next
match has gone through defeeding the Miss to

470
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.880
retaining w w Intergunt littlechampionshp've both had
gone through getting the victory. Solid match.

471
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.360
I liked how the Miss tried every
trick in the book to defeat Gunther.

472
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.719
The crowds behind this match and wanting
to see Miss get the upset victory.

473
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.760
I'm pretty sure a bad or mediocre
match for Gunthor just does not exist.

474
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.760
Doctor try No, it's it's he's
eerily reminiscent to when you know Johnny

475
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.119
Gargano and Chopper and the Ring or
anybody like that. Was like, yeah,

476
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.599
I just don't think he has bad
matches, And I love the fact

477
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.480
that you know the Miss. It
was it was a mixed entrance as far

478
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.239
as the crowd responds, but by
the end, the crowd is fully invested

479
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.039
in the Miss, and it's it's
always fun when you see that heel turned

480
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:58.199
baby face, but he still keeps
his heel tendencies and the crowds still eats

481
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.079
it up, which also tells you
how over Gunther is as a villain as

482
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.760
well, So really really fun match, and you know they tease the kind

483
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:10.199
of continuing on on Raw and maybe
we get Diy and Miz against the Imperium

484
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.519
as simple. I don't I don't
really know if that's the route to go,

485
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.400
but it's fun when the Miz is
actively involved in storylines because he's soaked

486
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.000
on the bike and look, he's
so underrated the ring, like he can

487
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.199
have a good match, but just
about anybody as well. Next match here

488
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:29.480
is Santos Escabar defeeding Dragon Lee.
We both at Santos Escuar getting victory.

489
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.119
Were originally predicted to be Santo's versus
Carlito. They ran the injury Angry on

490
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.119
Friday SmackDown Solid match. I was
very happy to see Escobar and Dragon Lee,

491
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.760
who was filming for the inter Carlito, get this opportunity and Survivor series

492
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.280
card. I could really see Santos
Escar and Dragon and Lee having a long

493
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.519
time rivalry slash feud that could define
their careers. I feel like this is

494
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:52.440
just the beginning of seeing Escabar and
Lee wrestle each other on a polee solid

495
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.079
match. Doctor Trea Santa's Escuar got
the victory. This could almost end up

496
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.840
being like, I don't say the
mid card version, but like the Hispanic

497
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.199
version of Sena and Orton in a
sense, like these two guys could really

498
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.320
help ingratiate WW even more into the
Hispanic culture, much like Ray did during

499
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.880
his peak. Like these guys could
really carry the brand that way if we

500
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.199
ever get like an NAT Latin America
or something like that, Like these guys

501
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:24.960
are the future of that division of
WW. Like I thought, the match

502
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.679
is really good. Everybody was into
it, the crowd was behind it.

503
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.079
The crowd was all over Santo's escabar, which I thought you post apparently to

504
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:36.599
be a heal and WW just beat
up Bravest Dieo and everybody hates you.

505
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.280
So it worked for Dominic, it's
working for Santo's just keep doing that approach.

506
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.079
But Santo's the kid's got something.
He's going to be a bigger star

507
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.880
if they ever give him the ball
to run with, Like he's just got

508
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:57.199
everything. He's just so smarmy and
just dirty, like you just want to

509
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.480
hate him. So it's the perfect
role for him to be. A Dragons

510
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.159
is a good underdog. It is
a really good comparison to kind of run.

511
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.800
It's a really good pairing for them
to run for years to come.

512
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.519
Next match here is Rie Ripley defeating
Zoe Start to retain the Women's World Championship,

513
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.559
but we both had Ria Ripley getting
the victory. It's starting to feel

514
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.679
like the real Ripley Women's World Championship
reign is going to be similar to the

515
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.800
dominant Fashion and Roman reigns, and
Guntha have been booked with their titles.

516
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.320
It looks it feels like no one
in the women's division on raws anywhere near

517
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.440
the level of Ria Ripley right now. While I was happy that Zoe Starks,

518
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.800
who was extremely talented, got this
opportunity iNeST of Barbers series, it

519
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:36.360
never really fell close in this match. Doctor try Rea retains, Yeah.

520
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.159
I saw people kind of knocking Zoe
Zoe during the match. I thought Zoe

521
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:44.320
get fantastic in this match. I
think the problem was the build up to

522
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.320
get it because she hasn't been presented
like a top nochell Yo. I mean,

523
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.000
it wasn't that long ago she was
backing Nutrition and the Becky Lynch puties.

524
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.760
She hasn't had a lot of time
to really develop depth to her character

525
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.480
to make people buy into her.
I think from an inn ring performance wise,

526
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.360
I think she was fought on during
the match, Like I think it's

527
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.440
going to come down to Rumble.
If Bianca wins the Rubble, we get

528
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.199
Bianca and rip Rhea, then that's
really the only person left other than Becky

529
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.119
for her to really challenge for this
title. And with Becky being tied up

530
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.599
with the Damage Control story line,
I think that just shows you that Bianca's

531
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.719
probably be the odds on favorite to
win the Rubble to challenge Ria in WrestleMania

532
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.719
next match. Here is Cody Roade, Seth Freaking Roalds, Jay us So,

533
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.360
Sammy's Ain, and Randy Orton defeating
the Judgment Day Andrew McIntyre and the

534
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.599
Men's War Games match. I had
Cody's team Doctor trade the Judgment d Andrew

535
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.280
McIntyre. Great War Games match.
I'm very happy to see Randy Orton back

536
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.719
in the Sports Circle and he looked
like he did not miss a beat after

537
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:45.039
double fusion back surgery. The match
flowed well and I thought it was interesting

538
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.400
that Damian Priest took the pin.
I feel like the Women's and Men's War

539
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.679
Games matches that will have similar fallouts
for Gardan people who took the pins.

540
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:53.880
Maybe the men's situation will take a
little bit longer to play out than we

541
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.039
will see with Bailey. I also
felt like, because I've seen a lot

542
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.159
of people writing this on X and
what happen to you? I also felt

543
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.199
like the CM Punk return to w
WE did not overshadow how great this match

544
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.360
was. Cody Seam wins the Men's
War Games match Doctor Trey. All Right,

545
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.840
first of all, we left something
out that was really really important.

546
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.800
Our truth also returned to w W
very true. Yes, I was gonna

547
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.639
leave with that. Then Punk came
back, so for like, I saw

548
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.599
something pos on Twitter, like wrestling
fans are happy punch Back, Old school

549
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.880
fans are heavy Organs back legends are
happy that Archer of the Back because that

550
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.079
guy is comedy gold. I mean
that that skit was to be gone awful

551
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.480
he said, and then putting him
in there with pretty Deadly and and otis

552
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.440
just shows you that they believe in
those guys to be comedic talents as well.

553
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.280
The Magic self was fine, It
was it was good. I loved

554
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.000
as soon as Organ got back in
the ring. By the way, I

555
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.559
love the storyline of Range music not
hitting, bringing RhE out to use the

556
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.360
cash in dand Randy's music hit and
ruining it because I also sets up potentially

557
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.480
Randy and Damian Priest, you know, heading into WrestleMania. It's easy if

558
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.039
that's a route they want to go. But Randy or dear God, that

559
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.719
man not only did not miss it
beating the ring, he looks better now

560
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.119
that I think he ever has before. Like he looks like he put out

561
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:16.280
about twenty thirty pounds a muscle,
Like he just looks amazing. It's funny

562
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.639
to see him look like the monster
in a match when we're so used to

563
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.039
him being kind of overshadowed size wise
by you know, John Cena and Batista

564
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.599
during his prime days. But matches
it was fine. I love the Jay

565
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:36.119
Husso spot him where he remembers what
happened, and then Jay superkicks to save

566
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.920
him. So that was all funny
good. I don't think the match got

567
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.519
overshadowed by I see him bung either. I thought the storyline stuff all made

568
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.199
sense. I thought it was a
very very cohesive storytelling Organs match that has

569
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.320
fallout. It's done an end to
a rivalry is actually still just another branch

570
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.360
on the street. Yeah, it
was. It was a really good match,

571
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.400
Randy. I agree, looked phenomenal
again. It's amazing that the guy

572
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.360
is back in the ring after double
fusion back surgery. Really fun match.

573
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.400
The Wargames match matches in w We've
always been really good. It's it's amazing

574
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:19.039
that this concept from NWAWCW has come
over and superseded the WE concept of actually

575
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.920
Survivors Series. But I'm down with
it, and uh, it was a

576
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.119
fun nine overall payview predictions record.
I went five and oh, Doctor Trey

577
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.840
went four and one. I'm one
twenty and forty one, Doctor Trey one,

578
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:34.239
twelve and nine. As we reached
the end of twenty twenty three here

579
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.480
with just a couple of shows to
go. Event rating and match the night,

580
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.920
I gave Survivors Series a four point
one out of five and my match

581
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.159
match of the night was the Men's
at Wargames match Doctor Trey. Yeah,

582
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:51.599
I gave it a four point zero
out of five. Yeah, I'll go

583
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.440
to Men's war Game match or just
because the Randy return really held it,

584
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.239
like the calamities, the crazy spots
like that's always good. I really enjoyed

585
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:04.320
gunther Biz so but the Wargames match
really kind of did you know, end

586
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.280
the show on a good note,
so you go. Feel free to chime

587
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.079
in at SRTU podcast on Xoorfacebook dot
com. Slash is so real to show

588
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.559
and anythink we've talked about here so
far in this week's edition of SRTU.

589
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.480
With that debt said, we unfortunately
have to close out this week's edition of

590
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:24.480
the podcast with some bad injury news. According to reports, MJF has a

591
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:31.599
torn labrum and he's also dealing with
a recently dislocated hip that was popped in

592
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:37.559
Doctor Trey again. And we are
both recording this during Dynamite, so I'm

593
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.559
sure there's been some sort of injury
update. All signs are pointing to him

594
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.039
wrestling on December thirtieth in his hometown
of Long Island, New York, at

595
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:51.159
World's End to defend the AW World
Championshi against Samoa Joe Doctor Trey. AW

596
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.880
cannot catch a break here with these
freakin' injuries. I mean, I feel

597
00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:00.400
absolutely awful for AW. I feel
absolutely awful for MJF. What's for the

598
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.599
World champ Well, I mean it's
it's odd because typically we get an injury

599
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.159
like a torn laboram usually you're out
for a few months. But we in

600
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:14.800
the past, aw has taken titles
off people put him on somebody else.

601
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.639
We have the interim championships things like
that. Hell we did with see him

602
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.039
Punk, you know we didn't,
so h I'm gonna be curious to see

603
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.840
what the fallout of the show is
if they name an interim champion, because

604
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.119
you know, you don't want this
guy getting any more hurt now. Luckily

605
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.719
for him, his opponent coming up
at World's End. It's about Joe,

606
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:39.400
who's one of the safest wrestlers in
the world outside of the Tyson Kid Fluke

607
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:44.119
injury. Outside of that, I've
never heard anybody say anything bad about working

608
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.400
with about Joe in the ring,
so Joe can take care of him.

609
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:51.079
But you know, this is kind
of what you gill when you have a

610
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.800
guy wrestling twice at night on every
pay per view, like you're gonna get

611
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.559
wear and tear on it. And
for a company that kind of did away

612
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:04.360
with house shows to save wrestler's bodies, they do have a crazy amount of

613
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.400
injuries, and maybe that's because of
the style that they wrestle. I don't

614
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.039
know what it is. I mean, it can't all be just fluke injuries.

615
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.480
If it's just the sheer volume of
injuries they keep getting. Yeah,

616
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.920
it's it's strange, right, Like, I don't know, I just feel

617
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.280
really obviously, really bad here about
what's going on. But I mean it's

618
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:29.199
this table spot that he did where
he still wanted to go through. J

619
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.519
White had gone gone already, the
table had collapsed. I mean, it's

620
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.599
it's really biting him in the ass
right now, obviously, and it just

621
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.559
seems like it's so snake bitten sometimes. Yeah, I mean some of it

622
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:43.920
I can get, because we do. They have brought all over a lot

623
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:45.519
of older guys, you know,
the Brian daniels Is of the world.

624
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.320
I mean hadham Cole stuff. I
mean that's just straight flukiness. To have

625
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.480
the concussion then come back and break
your ankle. They do have an inordinate

626
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:59.880
amount of concussion injuries, maybe more
so than anything else I've seen in the

627
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.840
in a long time. But just
I mean the Mosley injuries, you know,

628
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.039
the guys like that, They're constantly
getting beat up, and it's like,

629
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.679
I thought, you guys came here
for a lighter schedule, but you're

630
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.559
wrestling every match like it's your wrestled
Mania match. You're gonna get your body

631
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.000
beat up, and you know,
are you giving yourself enough time to recuperate?

632
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.920
And that was you know, you
go back to I think it was

633
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.119
twenty fourteen, you ne were doing
the show, and w had a crazy

634
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:28.760
rash of injuries because they were doing
the combined super shows all the time,

635
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.320
and then guys were going out and
working three more. They were wrestling five

636
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.880
times a week. It was like
going into Wrestlming thirty two in Dallas.

637
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.960
It was awful. Yeah, And
that's what I feel like aw does right

638
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.719
now between Rampage Collision, Dynamite,
Dynamite and then you know, they keep

639
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.079
having all these special shows and everything
like like that, like every guy is

640
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.880
wrestling their matches like it's the last
match they're ever going to wrestle in.

641
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.119
Unfortunately, it might end up being
that way for somebody here before long,

642
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.280
because they're just beating themselves up to
try and get noticed and sometimes less as

643
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.719
more guys just keep it simple,
you know. I just I think that's

644
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.920
one of the biggest issues they have, is that there's there's so many guys

645
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.519
trying to get over that they're doing
way too much to get over and it's

646
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.320
not always Dan ring work that gets
you over. Yeah, very true.

647
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:20.519
It doesn't always have to be big, big spots and c at look at

648
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.360
Tony Storm. It's just a character
change. Very true, very very true.

649
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:28.400
All Right, I think that'll do
it for this week's edition, amsr

650
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.920
TU. I hate to end it
on such a sour note there, but

651
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.840
hopefully we have some positive news with
MJF here going into the next couple of

652
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.960
days into next week's edition the podcast. We will be back next week to

653
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.679
kick off the month of January excuse
me December on December the seventh, and

654
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.239
we back for episode number seven and
twenty one, and we will be previewing

655
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:52.199
predicting NXT Deadline that will be taking
place that Saturday, one of the It's

656
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.800
the last show from the WE brand
that year before World's End and aw wraps

657
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.480
up for the rest of the year. Friendly re minder for everybody, we

658
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.360
announce on the last week's edition the
podcast, so hope everybody to good Thanksgiving

659
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.559
our upcoming holiday programming schedule. On
Thursday, the twenty first of December,

660
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.760
we look back on our twenty twenty
three Bold Predictions on Thursday, December twenty

661
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eighth. We wrap up the year
with the twenty twenty three srt Award Show

662
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Special, and then we kick off
twenty twenty four on January the fourth with

663
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.639
the twenty twenty four Wrestling Previous Show. We'll have our bold predictions in there,

664
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.599
and of course are wrestling forty card
predictions. All that and more in

665
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.440
just a couple of weeks here on
SRTU. As our holiday programming schedule is

666
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right around the corner, would that
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what's going on the one for world
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674
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Well, like Jeff said, you
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675
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.000
You've find me on Facebook at Instagram
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676
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check out Rocket Team Championship Wrestling and
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677
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.039
I'm affiliate with here in Alabama.
We are coming up on December second,

678
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:15.840
we are having the Rocket City seventh
Anniversary show. So for the longtime listeners

679
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:17.639
of this show, just goes the
show that we're all getting over because it's

680
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.119
been seven years that Rockets. He's
been up and running, which is crazy

681
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:25.440
when I watch at XT and I
see Lexus King on there knowing that he's

682
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:29.559
been in my lucker many many times. It's such a great guy. So

683
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.519
really happy for him. But that
just means go out and supportant to local

684
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:36.519
Western shows because that guy that you
might be getting an autographed from might be

685
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.000
aw world champion entering up on our
Tight Team Champion in a few years.

686
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.559
So get out there, support you
locally dependent wrestling as well. Sod goes

687
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one of the great things at Sport
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688
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:51.960
Still wilta show. Thank you for
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689
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for making us part of your week
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