June 26, 2025

Did WWE Just Spoil Gunther vs. Goldberg? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #802 – 06/26/25

Did WWE Just Spoil Gunther vs. Goldberg? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #802 – 06/26/25

On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show: - -- Should WWE really be in Saudi Arabia right now? We tackle the controversy head-on. - -- Cody Rhodes says he’s got just ONE year left as a babyface — is a heel turn on the horizon? - -- John Cena...

On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:
  • -- Should WWE really be in Saudi Arabia right now? We tackle the controversy head-on.
  • -- Cody Rhodes says he’s got just ONE year left as a babyface — is a heel turn on the horizon?
  • -- John Cena opens up about his retirement tour — and says YOU will decide how it ends!
  • -- Did WWE accidentally spoil the winner of Gunther vs. Goldberg? We connect the dots.
  • -- Plus: Our full preview & predictions for WWE Night of Champions!

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It's still real to me, damn it!

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What are we doing?

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Ooh, welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's Distanis to Real The Show, episode number 802 for June 26, 2025.

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Welcome to your WWE night of champions preview and predictions edition of the S-R-T-U.

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I am one after the show.

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I am Jeff Peck, joined every single week in my co-host, the one only Dr. Terry Franklin.

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Dr. Trey, did you ever think we'd be talking about wrestlers potentially entering a war zone, my friend?

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I mean, if we went back to like 1990s, like four and raw as war and the show was the war zone and we had union underground playing the South or playing their music, maybe.

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But to actually go into a war zone, I mean, tribute to the troops technically was in war zones.

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I guess it's possible, so who knows, I just don't want anybody getting bunker busted.

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I don't want anybody's new finisher being called the bunker bust.

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No, no, X-Pock was the Bronco Buster, we do not need a bunker buster.

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Welcome one and all to this week's Distanis of S-R-T-U.

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Join in, help support the show patreon.com/srtupodcast, get a membership and help support Dr. Trey and I here.

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As we are an independent wrestling podcast promotion for all of you.

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Dr. Trey, over the weekend, this is weird because we're going to be talking about like world issues with world oppression wrestling.

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Was it over the weekend the United States had bombed three nuclear test sites and I ran and claimed that they destroyed them.

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I ran, responded and fired at several bases for the United States is, military is located and this was all going on into Monday's edition of RAW.

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And by everything that I was reading, all the reports I think Sean Ross Sapp, Russell Votes, was tweeting about it, PWInsider was tweeting about it.

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It seemed to me that night of champions was completely in flux which my brain was immediately thinking like where would they do this?

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Would it be like the PC? Could they go to an arena? Is the show going to be completely canceled? This is not what I envisioned for John Cena versus CM Punk.

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And you asked me in Monday, I'm like this is definitely going to be postponed, canceled or moved.

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Monday comes, they run RAW still promoting in Saudi Arabia and then I think it was either Monday night early Tuesday morning.

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It was reported that Israel and I ran had agreed to I think like a 72 hour ceasefire.

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A couple WWE crews were stuck in Qatar airport on their way to Saudi Arabia.

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The airspace over Saudi Arabia was shut down due to the potential battles and wars that we were going to be seen between two countries and maybe even more.

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And it just seems like everything when night of champions was in flux until the ceasefire happened.

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Even with all that said, we've got a ceasefire right now.

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The crew as UNI record this, they are over in Saudi Arabia. They are set to air smack down on Friday. They'll be doing that live from Saudi Arabia. They will be doing night of champions on Saturday obviously.

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I simply ask you, should WWE be in Saudi Arabia right now, Dr. Try?

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I mean, that's been the question ever since they signed this agreement. I mean, there's been so much politicization of the W's agreement with Saudi Arabia.

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I mean, anytime you go into an area that's known for kind of turmoil and chaos in their political realms, this is always going to be a risk.

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I mean, would I be running shows of Saudi Arabia personally? Probably not.

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And it is a business as long as they can make sure that everybody feels like they're safe. Like Saudi Arabia is not involved in this conflict.

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So I don't worry about the safety of the performers once they get to Saudi Arabia. But for all the other stuff going on, it does make me a little nervous.

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Personally, I probably would have postponed the show. But, you know, it's not my company, it's not my employees.

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But, you know, the crazy thing is, you think about those training, we mentioned tribute to the troops.

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They've done tribute to the troops from the base and cutter that the missiles were launched at. So it's crazy to me that like literally like this is an issue that nobody else in the world has to face.

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Like, we haven't talked about World Cup soccer being, you know, soccer is not being canceled. Like, it only happens somehow in the world of professional wrestling, which I guess in some ways makes a ton of sense.

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Yeah, I mean, WWE does have some intel into folks that are at the White House, WWE Hall of Famers, our president, triple H's mother-in-law is the Secretary of Education in the United States right now.

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All working in the president's cabinet. Presently, so maybe they knew something that we didn't know that was on the horizon there.

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But, all in all, it just, it didn't feel right. Obviously, a lot of people on social media were saying that they should be canceled in the show postponing it, moving it, whatever.

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And, WWE would not be doing that because of the money. I'm sure people listen to podcasts are thinking that part of me is obviously thinking that because the amount of money that they bring in from Saudi Arabia is insane.

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I think at one time it was reported that it was like, I want to say like a third, a quarter or a third of the amount of revenue that WWE brought in for one calendar year when they were reporting to their stockholders, which was just like insanity to think about like one show.

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And this was back in the days where they treated those shows like really, really poorly. And it was like basically getting off the beaten path of WWE Creative at that period of time.

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Now it's just regular PLA, which I like. And now they're doing rods and SmackDown, so the Royal Rumble will be there in 2026.

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There's always been uneasy feelings in regards to WWE's contract with Saudi Arabia. And I think it was Dave Meltzer pointing out that like the same thing that you said Dr. Trey, that you're entering a place where there is strife and potential battles with other countries.

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And he said that's like the risk they're always taking when they enter the Middle East WWE. So this has been something that's been going on since they had the contract back in 2018, but to reach this point, we did not reach this level ever where it was like making national news where it was like this could legitimately be canceled and WWE should not be going there.

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I know if I was a talent WWE, if I was a worker for World War S Entertainment and I was sent to Saudi Arabia, I would certainly be uneasy there right now given everything that is going on ceasefire or not.

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Yeah, I mean, if you go back and watch some of the old videos when they talk about tribute to the troops, like there were times that the guys would show up and they're like, okay, you need your Elm it on because this is an active fighting zone and we do get rebels that show up and just shoot at the base randomly.

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And like ever big shows like really like I mean was taken aback by I mean we've been doing stuff in the Middle East since the early 2000s and we haven't ran into it.

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So I guess in a sense like we were kind of do it's kind of like the Los Angeles earthquake everybody's waiting for it.

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We're like 150 years past due on that one. It is what it's it's the I don't say it's the nature of the beast but it is like if you're going to run shows in an area that has been having wars for hundreds and hundreds of years, you do run this risk.

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I mean there's a reason why we're not having PLE shows in like you know you've gone or you know you know maybe or anything like that like that area is kind of known for being war torn all the time.

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It shows a little bit of the progress of the Middle East that pay the yeah the money's good the contracts good but this is always a risk that you're going to run when you promote shows in an area where there's constant conflict going on.

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I think for me the you know the comparison there to the tribute to the troop stuff when they were actually going the bases in the early 2000s makes a lot of sense I think that's a great comparison.

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But I guess for me they were protected by the United States military. I don't know who is protecting them when they're fully down in Saudi Arabia like regular WWE security.

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I mean they had army tanks and military personnel protect them at all time when they were going to these bases so you would figure with the United States intelligence that they would be okay.

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As comparable to what they're doing right now but I mean this is the risk that they're taking this is the risk as a company.

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I think ultimately I don't think WWE would put their superstars talent crews employees in danger if they felt it was legitimate I I would hope they wouldn't and they given everything that's going on they certainly feel like there is not any type of danger for them and hopefully this is a safe trip over in Saudi Arabia because they'll be there for Smackdown on Friday Saturday's night of Champions return back to the United States for Monday Night Raw.

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Special Sword time 6 o'clock in Pittsburgh followed by Smackdown taping that because July 4th lands on Friday and they want the crew home to enjoy themselves as they were.

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Dude. Hey side, side question. Do you think this is also a little bit of the Vince McMahon stubbornness like seeping onto the Nikon to the triple ages like would Vince cancel this show?

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No, no, Vince. Yeah, Vince will almost take pride. Ah, where it's a war zone going on. He'd get excited about it and you guys have like triple age staff.

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These guys have all been influenced by triple age I think to a degree he's like that's kind of their mentality like yes they're much more open to like giving guys the holidays off and things like that that's ever was but you know this is this is the company that literally the day after.

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9/11 we're out there you know wrestlers die we're out we're like we don't we don't cancel shows are like the wall for house of wrestling it literally takes an act of God.

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For them to literally cancel a show I think that's a lot of that just old school stubborn Vince mentality kind of seeping through.

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Nick and triple age well it was like the COVID 19 pandemic where the shows continued I mean they've immediately shifted over to the to the performance center and then I remember there was a period of time that we were talking about that they were.

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Think about moving WrestleMania to June and it would air in Madison's work guard and they were talking about keeping it the performance center and having some fans there.

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They ended up doing none of that and completely no crowd for whatsoever the 9/11 thing that was 3 to 2 days after 9/11 because it was a Tuesday they air life on Thursday.

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And I think when you go back to what took place on 9/11 it was definitely a different world than it is right now and to me.

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Yeah that was a statement of like we're not going to push around we're going to continue moving forward so to your point there where it takes an act of God absolutely I think there's a huge financial act of God that is hovering over this I mean if this is in.

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You know a place that isn't shelling out let's say 150 plus million I don't know that to be the exact number not to have W.

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We come over isn't a different story it's it's very well possible but yeah I mean things got hairy there for for a little bit in regards to whether or not they'd be airing Saudi Arabia or not so.

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The crew is over there we fully expect to be all systems go just you know cross our fingers that everything will be safe and sound over there and that these the ceasefire happens because.

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Dr. Trey and I left to spread world peace not metal world peace just world peace in general move it along here doctor trade there was an interesting interview.

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That Cody Rhodes had at fanatics fest in New York City over the weekend he was speaking to hey K Adams I think she is a podcast now she was on the NFL network for a little bit she may still be there very talented.

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And commentator in the world of the NFL and he was asked about how long he has left as a baby phase and Cody said quote I don't ever get tired of it because you get have all you get to have all these moments but I do think we're at the tail end of it though there's only so much someone can like you.

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I'd love to do it to the end of my career at a certain point they want to see somebody else I get that and that's where you have to change as a character.

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I think I think you still have a solid year maybe even three years because I'm not changing until I'm changed if that makes sense if the rock had it his way I would have been changed already so I think he sees something that maybe I don't see and that's a very smart individual and that was all recapped via Russell purus on X so Cody Rhodes thinks he's at the tail end of his run as the baby as a baby face currently Dr. Trey it was put out there even more so the short and timeline is he think feels like he is at least.

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One more year left we have a lot of moments that are going to be taking place here as soon as this Saturday if Cody Rhodes wins King of the ring and he goes to summer slam to take on John Cena who potentially could retain against the

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C.M. Pugat night of champions we may see the timeline of that hill turn happen a lot sooner than we think he thinks right now where do you stand on this because I'm starting to steal it from the crowd we saw it round

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WrestleMania season I think was the show before and after WrestleMania Cody was getting booed people were cheering for John Cena I expect that to be the case should these two guys get the ring again especially in New

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Jersey area is it really a year left should we be waiting a turn for Cody Rhodes and more importantly is it the right move.

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I mean I think it's I am always a big fan of guys switching back and forth maybe not as frequently as big show who we would we imagine earlier in the show

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maybe not as frequently as Kevin I was done over his time in WWE but I am a fan of guys fresh in their character trying something new trying to stay ahead of the curve and you know we talked about it a couple weeks ago about the you know the J.

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So title run and I mentioned like sometimes these title runs are a test to see like can this guy hold the flag can this guy be the standard American this guy move as much merchandise as the other guy we have on top so that way if we

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do make that change we have somebody else ready to go in place and we're not just left scrambling to me I like I've always said I think the way that Cody looks the way he dresses the way he acts screams heal like I think Cody is a better heal than a baby face and he's a phenomenal baby face to me he has a lot of that same

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rick flare ask ability during flares heyday that I don't think has really been tapped into so I agree with Cody I would I don't think it's within a year but I would say within two because at some point we're going to have a rubber match between enrollment and code

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it's like we're right now or one and one we got to have the rubber match like you see the influence of the rock you see I think it's coming I don't think it's as soon as a year but yeah within two years maybe towards maybe take a page of the john seen a playbook we're like hey once we get towards the end of your time as a full time competitor we make that switch and I think he'll absolutely be the biggest heal in professional wrestling and probably one of the biggest

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deals we've seen in quite some time once they make that turn I think you and I differ on this because I actually think Cody Rhodes will be a heal this year I think a turn is coming I think they're prepping people I think the fans are starting to push it I mean you put something like this out in the ethos the die hard wrestling fans are going to see it and the die hard

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fans go to the major shows and they're going to try to will that turn from happening it's going to be john seen a 2005 to 2017 where the fans had turned on scene he was a fan favorite he was leaning a little bit more to the younger

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audience people were getting sick and tired of them at the top he was the the fresh cut clean quarterback one baby face running the company and they wanted to see new people up there and they wanted to see him turn heal and I think you know the

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company is obviously a lot more open to turning their top stars to heels and and lose that merchandise which I think there's an argument to be said now that that isn't going to be necessarily the

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case because I don't think we've seen john seen his merchandise sales drastically drop I haven't seen people completely turn their back on them it's kind of been the same thing that happened with

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Hogan in 96 97 when that NW O shirt was flying off the shelves I still see people dressed up in the john scene a shirt on the retirement

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tour and I think that has a lot to do with it as well and it's mark marking on their part but I think it's happening a lot sooner than

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later I want to be shocked if it happens within the next three to six months because there's an interesting layer to this because this was nothing I wanted to bring up but john

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Sina recently turned an interview with collider had said that the audience is going to dictate the direction of the final six months of his

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retirement or saying quote as we get close to the end of this thing what dictates those pivots is the audience and I think the audience will begin to feel differently

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because now we are truly coming to the end so if you ever had a voice to use if you ever wanted to say something I hate to steal my own cliche but the time is now I look forward to the road ahead because the

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audience is going to dictate is going to dictate the direction we go and quote and that's where I think things are going to be sped up I think Cody

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wants john Sina is intertwined with one another dr. I think it would be poetic justice I think it would be a great part of the story I mentioned this when the

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WrestleMania match happened I think if there comes a point let's say Cody wins King of the ring night of champions he is set to face john

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Sina summer slam it met life stadium for a two night event I think people be grown and about it a little bit but I think there will be a part where

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there comes a point in the match referee is knocked down Cody the title is on the ground on the on a canvas in the ring Cody road picks it up looks both ways frozen on the ground says he's not

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going to do that john Sina gets up he laughs at him and that's when Cody stiffs in between the likes and then we see a Cody he'll turn begin will he get

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cheered for that absolutely but I think the fans are starting to want a cheer for Sina and Sina is starting to tease again these little Easter eggs he did it towards the at the end of

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backlash in St. Louis and you saw it at the most recent end of of Smackdown when he cut the the anti pipe bomb promo against the

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punk where he is looking around the crowd he is throwing the title up people are going crazy for them they're excited and he's starting to like think to

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himself maybe I need these guys it's it's like that's the thing that you're wondering about I think that's the point that's

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going to get in there I would not be surprised if we see a double switch with Cody roads and john Sina should Cody roads win the

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championship because I ultimately think going back to the original point here doctor trained kind of looping and all in I think Sina ends this year his

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retirement towards the baby face and I think the best way that happens is by turning Cody heel. Yeah now I can I can see the logic in that my only thing is is that so far

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out of the majority of these turns we've seen they've been unexpected it hasn't like Cody went to his in a W like that the last year that he was there the fans were

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begging for the turn and he never did and and something was out of stubbornness I mean I can see your scenario laying out I can see Cody and Sina going at it and you you heard

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him at the anti pipe bomb that you're referred to you know you see it in a way calling out TKO well calling out TKO is calling out the rock so what are the

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rock shows up we think he's there to help Sina but in turn Cody takes the deal and sells his soul to the rock and turns on Sina and then that's where we get that

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launch I I'm with you I fully expect john seeming to be a baby face by the end of his run and if that's the way they call it like it's going to be great

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TV I'm in love it I can also see them like going hey let's flip somebody else that everybody loves and then save Cody to come in and save

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today later on so it's it's an interesting dynamic because there's several people you could do this with Cody's the most logical

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one because to me he looks and acts and dresses most the most the part of being that consummate heal that everybody

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aids do you think there's a world that we live in right now doctor trained this is all theoretical will predict night of

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champion to shortly Cody Rhodes wins King of the ring he becomes the normal antenna for the title get the title shot at

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Summer slam john Sina retains it's him versus see him punk at night of champion so it's going to be punk first excuse me it's going to be

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versus Rhodes at summer slam and if we're looking at this story the story started at the elimination chamber with scene of turning

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heel kicking Cody Rhodes square between the legs and then winning the championship at WrestleMania could a good center point for

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this entire thing the climax as they may say with Cody turning heel at summer slam defeating john Sina to win the title and then scene of

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turning baby face again for the next couple months and the crescendo the conclusion of this thing is we get to December and I'm just theoretically

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putting this out there there's a lot of stuff out there saying that is last match scene is last match will be Boston at the TD garden and some

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rumors out there saying that's going to be a Saturday night to be an event if we did part one is elimination chamber and Johnson to turn in

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and he'll Cody Rhodes winning the title WrestleMania 41 the second chapter is Cody turning heel scene of turning baby face Cody winning the title back at summer

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slam and the final chapter is Cody versus scene again Cody the heel scene of the baby face and scene goes out as let's say world champion again at Saturday night to

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the event in Boston and you know basically says you know I win the title I'm going to be relinquishing it do you think that this is a potential way that this entire

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John Cena retirement so I like to be playing out where there's a lot of ebbs and flows but it always gets us to the the turning points is always his involvement with Cody Rhodes.

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Yeah I mean right now it's it's a little bit kind of like what they did with rock and Cena but just compressing it into within a year where you're getting the current top star and the former top star going head to head for a while.

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I don't know if I see Cena winning the title on the way out the door then relinquishing it unless we finally get something you and I have been clamoring for for almost 40

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years which is a world title tournament you know at a WrestleMania or culminating at a WrestleMania to crown the new champion they've seen it

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relinquishing I just don't I've never heard how much triple H love WrestleMania 4 3 3 4 4 4.

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Yeah WrestleMania 4.

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So was the tournament.

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Yeah WrestleMania 4.

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Like to me that still to this day is one my favorite WrestleMania is because of the title tournaments so we haven't had a world title tournament since punk took the title and left.

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We had that little mini one which was what 20 2008 2009 I think it was somewhere there so like to me I think you still like most people when they do the

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entire match they go out as losing the final match.

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Sting being the most recent exception to that rule but yeah I can see these guys being intertwined especially if you're trying to set Cody up to be that mega

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heel but then my only worry is is that aren't you too heel heavy because you still have gone through on one side which I still think you'll have a decent title run.

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Cody being the heel on the other show you kind of have dueling heels for a while so I'm with you I think they'll be linked together but I mean I can see Cena using the rock to get the win at you know or

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Cena getting the win in summer slam by not using the rocks held to start short nurse to start him up as a baby face and then Cody circles back at the end and uses the rock to

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get the win in turn heel and kick off 2026 as that mega heel.

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Yeah it's it's just it gives this gives credit to the way the WWE trade is is working at times I know they've had their ups and downs this year but I think there's a lot of stuff that you could see through the

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trees right now where it's like this could be exciting and I just don't see a world where John Cena goes out final match in this current character mode.

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Maybe there's like quasi but I just because what does he do from here I mean like eventually goes on the whole fame I don't think that this is going to be his longevity character this isn't necessarily him you know he wants to go out as the same person he was you

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would think in professional wrestling so.

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Well I mentioned you he's still got movies and TV shows he wants to promote it's really hard to come back as an asshole to promote.

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Hey by the way gotten paid money to watch my movie or go out there and watch my TV shows or by that like you want to leave with the fans feeling good about you.

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Especially if you're transitioning into other stuff and then by all indications he's also said that even when he retired from in rain he still is going to do so for WWE.

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He wants to be getting back into doing the make a wish tough and you know being that global ambassador in a sense where he's not doing movies and TV and the best way to do that is have the fans loving him when he leaves.

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Yeah it's funny you know talk about like his television movie career he I think there was another quote out there from over the weekend where he said that he prefers WWE over like the Hollywood roles and he's like I don't care I'm going to say this because I don't care if it cost me roles because I really enjoy this.

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I'm not that interested Mike is there part of it because he also mentioned that this is this current run is his favorite of his career which I found mind boggling I think it's been fun.

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I think it's definitely given us saw a lot of range for his character but I felt like that there's been other chapters of Cena that was like really good I thought that the rise to WrestleMania 21 was good I thought the US open challenge stuff was good.

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But I can understand I guess as a character doctor that you can feel flat at times to.

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Yeah and you see him grow into this like he's like I think the first month or the first month or so especially like when he first came back to Lucie Chamber like it was solid and the fans were into it because it was so different but he looked uncomfortable.

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If you watch that the anti like that is. Vintage Cena like I think he's really grown into his role and I think it's what he's loving it because it is something new something fresh he's getting to explore.

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A version of his character that he was never able to do under the Vince regime and you see him now having fun and I don't know how much fun he was having initially on the yield turn but yeah you see it now like he's eating this up.

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Speak you know Dr. Tray match of a four that usually people on their last match are looking up at the lights with the exception of sting that has been kind of the thing that has always been set of professional wrestling I think the line is and you can correct me here Dr. Tray because I think I'm going to butcher it but I think in like the world professional wrestling you come in laying on your back looking up at the lights and you go out laying on your back looking up at the lights when your career runs.

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That's always been the way is that's like your way of passing the torch that's a way of of you know passing it on from from your resting career especially for those that are along Jevety wise and it's making me wonder a lot about the upcoming Gunther and Goldberg match it's that our nights made event.

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And I was thinking about it as I was prepped for the show here I'm like what were some topics I wanted to cover and bring up here and I just kind of like organically my own brain was like I'm in here I wonder if W. E. spoiled the Gunther Goldberg match already and it's like okay well how did that happen.

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Look at the finals right now for King the Ring. It's Randy Orton versus Cody Rhodes both those guys have issues with John Cena.

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John if John Cena retains that is going to be the direction of those one of those two guys as the winner is they're going to be looking at the unspeeded W. E. championship which then leaves the world of away champion Gunther without a dance partner at summer slam right now and it's like as I sit here June 26th what would the match be for Gunther summer slam would be Gunther versus J. E. so again I don't know if they would do that at summer slam there's been a lot of rumblings of Gunther kind of becoming a baby face with Seth wrong.

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Being the money that bank briefcase winner well it's not going to be Gunther versus Seth wrong unless Rollins cash is on in on Gunther from now until summer slam like that's not happening.

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You know he's not going to give up his chance and just be like all right I'm calling my shot I'm going to be facing you at summer slam.

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Defeat the purpose on the money make ladder ladder match and then it was like okay what else CM Punk.

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And it's like no I don't think they'll do that because he loses to Cena then he goes to the world away championship like the guy that just lost in one championship match is going to take on another.

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So with that all said I'm thinking again all right Goldberg is going to be in Atlanta on July the 12th Saturday nights main event.

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He won his first World Heavyweight Championship on July 6 1998 almost 27 years to the day in the Georgia dome against Hulk Hogan on a very historic and memorable addition of WCW Monday and I.

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All this is saying Dr. Tray is that now W. and rightfully so they are teasing that while this is being billed as a retirement match what happens if Goldberg wins the championship they are starting to tease that on Raw because Michael Cole asked in that in the interview segment and Goldberg said something like quote you know that's puts an interesting twist on it now doesn't it.

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And I'm wondering myself could they let Goldberg ride off in the sunset instead of ending his career in Atlanta he gets one more title victory in Atlanta almost 27 years the day of when he won it at the Georgia dome and then they have him drop it to Gunther in East rather for New Jersey for summer slam 2025.

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And the only way that I get to that point Dr. Tray is by the king of the ring finals which made me think and wonder after all encompassing here Dr. Tray with my loony fantasy booking thinking going on did WWE potentially spoil who will win the Gunther Goldberg match based on what I'm saying.

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So I you actually got the quote right you come into wrestling on your back looking the lights you leave wrestling on your back looking at the lights Goldberg didn't come in on his back.

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Goldberg had the longest under the street starting out of anybody you know until I mean I guess you can say Oscar and WWE but like literally Goldberg didn't do independent shows Goldberg wasn't out there grinding he came from the power plants in me when we should.

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My thought process of my this was the one match that we're not getting out of this is I kind of want to see Goldberg and Braun Breaker because Braun Breaker is the closest thing to Goldberg that we've seen.

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What if Goldberg wins in Atlanta gets that moment then Breaker hits him with a spear and Seth cash is in right then and there so that would Goldberg does win his retirement match but then the belt gets moved to Seth.

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And then you could potentially have Gunther turn baby face to chase Seth.

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But yeah it is it's a weird thing that you're booking this as a title match and a retirement match because typically that would be foreshadowing that well that guy is not going to win.

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I think they're playing this up to try to build a little bit intrigue for those guys like us who go well it's retirement match Goldberg can't win because then what do you do with the belt is Goldberg show up on Raw and say thank you guys very much and just leave the belt and his boots in the ring and walk away like what do you do with this to me it's a little bit of.

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The Drew McIntyre CM Punk Damien Pre scenario from Russell maniac a couple years ago you can play all of that same scenario out and kind of accomplished everything you want to in one fell swoop so it's a little bit of like booking yourself into a corner but I'm pretty sure they have a creative way of getting out of it.

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Yeah it's it's interesting I like the approach here because I think in the old days we would just kind of be like this is retirement match and we want to be playing up this the what if with Goldberg and Gunther like okay what if Goldberg wins.

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There's part of me doctor say that thinks Goldberg wins at Sunday nights made event I think I'm over 50% right now that he defeats Gunther at Saturday nights made event and it's possible there's different scenarios here let's say he wins.

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And Seth comes down caches in on them wins a title that sets up Seth versus Gunther at summer slam and I know don't know if I necessarily like that but I also want to be surprised if we get like Gunther versus Goldberg at summer slam and let's say I don't really think it matters let's say Gunther wins because I don't think they would want Goldberg's last match to be a cation I think that would I don't think he'd be going for that honestly for his character.

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But let's say Gunther wins Seth caches in on them and then that sets up Seth versus Gunther as a few like I think there's some potentially I'm I'm over 50% right now Goldberg wins a championship in the Atlanta set of nights made event.

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Yeah I'm kind of with you like I'm probably about 50 to 60% Goldberg wins.

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But one thing people forget about and I saw this in an interview with Goldberg a few months back is like two is best friends and in wrestling were the signer brothers and I think if they presented him a scenario like hey you're going to win you start ahead enough the the ramp the fireworks are going off and then brawn hits you with that big spear.

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To kind of pass the torch to brawn in his spear and then Seth caches in I don't think in that in that realm he would feel bad about doing the job because he's kind of putting brawn over and then he's also losing after he just had a deep I'm I don't think this is a three minute squash match either way between Gunther and Goldberg I think it goes 10.

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But if you go 10 minutes with Gunther chopping the shit out of you and then you still win and then brawn break your spears you brought in read his tsunami and Seth pins you I don't think that's necessarily a bad way for you to go out to took four guys to put your shoulder to the mat.

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So I think he can have the celebration and still put these younger guys over and still come out looking pretty good in this.

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This interesting is you and I talked this out loud here your scenario that you're saying could also kind of help catapult Gunther a little bit where Gunther he himself doesn't feel like the cat I just I think we're running into something soon where Gunther feels like the cash in is like a cheap way of winning the title and maybe some of the sympathy that Gunther has is even if he loses to Goldberg fair and square and Seth caches in on him he doesn't feel like that's the way that that Goldberg should be going out.

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And he mentioned that's Damien Priest where they had their rivalry earlier last year was that you won this belt on a cash in he feels like the cash in is not sacred to wrestling is a cheap way.

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You know so he can still run that same angle like I told Damien Priest this last you know two years ago that cashing in as a cowards way out of winning and you know you guys are capitalizing on what I did and it could it could kind of start off heel heel but then as you know brawn and brawnton are beating Gunther down he's going to get that sympathy heading into a match of summer slam was set.

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Interesting so you and I are both think over 50% Goldberg walks out of Saturday night's main event as well the way champion you added a layer here you think Seth is cashing in on him.

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I also think the Saturday night's main event match is like perfect for Goldberg because there's commercial breaks so there will be like two and a half three minutes where the fans at home are not watching what Goldberg is doing in the ring which kind of makes things a little bit perfect for that retirement match doctor try.

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Yeah and those those those good rest breaks the the old school Randy Orton headlock you know for like two minutes like all right put me in the headlock I got catch my breath so I think you can do almost two segment match out of that.

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And still make the fans feel like they got their mind because I know I know I don't know you like I go back to the last one the John Cena our truth match felt really short to me.

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And I don't felt like we got our money's worth out of it like if you get two segments out of Goldberg and Gunther and then lead into a cash in like I think the fans are happy if that is Goldberg's last match because that's a lot of stuff at one time and it's not just Goldberg knocking himself out having a cushion before you walk to the ring with the undertaker.

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All right let's with that said let's preview and predict WWE night of champions it's this Saturday afternoon from the Kingdom Arena in Riyadh Saudi Arabia the first match here is Rhea Ripley versus Raquel Rodriguez in a street fight doctor try I'm going to take Rhea Ripley in this one.

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Look you got Rhea in Riyadh and so like the name matches the street fight so yeah I'm taking Rhea Ripley as well by the way did you I learned something.

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Her pin the her pin fall like what she has to move the pin that she uses was she calls that her sexy pin I learned that this week like she actually admitted it that's what her sexy pin where did she say that it was on an interview it might have been Chris Van Vley to my been somebody else all actually but like she told me that

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actually not me but I mean me and buddy Murphy are tied so you know I'm not really well in the course I have an affinity for Australian women in general but in the interview she said like her trainer she did it the first time with her trainers and they're like oh my god that's awesome you should do that that's a sexy pin and so they just kept doing it and then she just made it her own pin but she's literally said she goes every time she goes that pin in her mind the phrase this is my sexy pin runs to her.

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And runs through it. Yeah, cute to shine Michael music. Yeah she's a very sexy pin.

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Next match here is Sammy Zane versus carrying cross Dr. Trehoody like this one.

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In Riyadh I don't know if there's anybody more popular in Saudi Arabia than Sammy Zane so I'm gonna take Sammy Zane in this match but I still think he'll be fall out when we get back in the States.

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I hear you I think we different this one I'm gonna go with carrying cross I think he's due for a victory he got punched in the mouth on raw on Monday and I think it's time for him to get a little bit of come up in some nice heat in Saudi Arabia would certainly help.

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Next match here is Jacob Fattu defend the United States Championship against Solosikoa. I've got Solosikoa winning the United States Champion Dr. Trehoody.

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I think we're gonna see either some returns from Solosikoa's bloodline or some debuts from like a Hicolayl.

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Yeah I've been going back and forth on this I think Solos better positioned as the heel that people chase and when you have a Hicolayl you have JC Mateo.

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You have anybody else that he brings in that ends their name ends in O or A I think it makes sense so yeah I'm with because then you can get Jimmy Lusso and Jacob working as the bloodline together that gives Jimmy something to do so I'm with I'll take Solosikoa getting the win as well.

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Next match here is Oscar versus Jade Cardgill in the Queen of the Ring tournament final the winner receives a title shot at Somerslam Dr. Trehoody like in this one.

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This one's tough I think this one's tougher for me than the men's one because mainly I can look at both women winning and it making a lot of sense to go in either direction.

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Man this was tricky I think I'm gonna take Jade Cardgill because of the Naomi influence and her holding the money to bank briefcase because I can see a world where Jade wins in Somerslam and Naomi cashes in on her.

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So I think I'm gonna take Jade Cardgill getting the win.

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I like you want to select Oscar to win because I could see her in the sky you know at Somerslam I think it'd be a killer match but I feel like WWE is ready to pull the trigger here on Jade Cardgill so I think they want to kind of ramp things up Bianca is supposed to be back.

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Come August time frame and then I think you'll see a lot of the Jade Naomi Bianca stuff all over our television for the rest of 2025.

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I think Naomi is going to cash in on someone that she has beef with and number one person she has beef with is Jade Cardgill.

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Jade has been very good in the ring I've been very critical over the years since her career started.

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There are some spots still that are left to kind of be a little bit more smooth in the ring from the viewer standpoint at home but she has certainly come a long way from her days in the A.A.W.

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I'm taking Jade Cardgill as well and that takes us to the King of the Ring tournament final Randy Orders Cody Rhodes that winner receives a title shot at Somerslam.

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Dr. Trey I am going with Cody Rhodes to be winner of the King of the Ring.

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I'm I'm I'm I'm taking Cody as well.

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I don't know this might be one of the matches I'm most excited about in like in the last few months like this is something you and I have been wanting for almost since Cody came back as he Cody and Randy go at it.

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I'm super excited for this when this match might steal the show.

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But yeah like I we just saw Randy and John Cena at backlash so I'm taking Cody to get to the rematch of Somerslam.

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And then finally talk about matches that I'm excited for I never thought we would say this again so here we are.

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John Cena defends the undisputed WWE champ chip against C.M. Punk.

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Dr. Trey welcome to 2025 who do you like in this one my friend?

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Yeah this one it's a little bit easier to fix than the other ones I'm taking senior to get the win although you're absolutely right I did not think we'd see this match.

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You know four years ago three two years ago never thought we'd see this match again we're getting this match we're getting seen as like come back towards like basically kind of getting over on people that have gotten over on him the past.

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You and I am not talking about this because it happened after we were for our last show.

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But I'll let you make your pick what do you think of the anti pipe bomb promo?

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I'm going to take John Cena in this one as well so both of us have a John Cena retaining.

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I liked the anti pipe bomb promo but I don't think it hit as hard as they were hoping it would does that make sense?

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Yeah I think it's weird like when you do something like this you're hoping for certain reactions.

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I think the reaction like got him more cheered and you're trying to get him more booed but there's some stuff in there where I was like yeah you know you're breaking the fourth wall you're saying some cool shit.

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And being the cool heel is kind of where I feel like this John Cena is headed where it's like yeah I got some fans that you know like me some fans don't I'm just going to do where the hell I want which is what makes people babyface.

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So it's breaking the fourth wall calling out Claudio and you know and and Ziggler and Cardona and all those guys I thought that was clever.

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I did love the setup though like it's literally almost the same exact setup as the first pipe bomb.

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So like that the setup was great I just don't know if the final execution is exactly what they want.

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I think the part that kind of got messed up here this is what if punk wasn't sitting there for 10 minutes with an in a broken table I think it sits differently I think if they did the spot in Cena goes to the front of the stage does the Chris Cross applesauce and punk starts like coming to like Cena did when he cut the promo I think it's a different story.

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So I felt like that part run like she's a least punk has been out for like 11 minutes nobody wants to do CPR on this guy at this point so that's one thing there's do have you heard the fan theory on the shout outs at all doctor try.

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Oh that was actually shutting out cold cabana and the young box yes which kind of makes sense.

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I don't remember did did did see him punch out the young box no he didn't specifically no no but they're saying why why would you shout out the young I did I didn't understand that I didn't know that deep.

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Okay so here it is Claudio Casignoli's initials or CC cold cabana Nick Nemeth Nick Jackson Matt Cardona match Jackson.

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So they're saying CC cold cabana Nick Jackson. Matt Cardona Jackson.

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Okay that's the theory.

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I'm forgetting the other now okay which if they did that's brilliant but if he had shout out Jack Swagger and the process as well to emphasize Jack Perry yeah I probably would have put it more together but.

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And Ken don't be also yeah Kenny Dijkstra. If there's not anybody else name Kenny but you can shout out Kenny Dijkstra who he is Johnson reported and legitimate beef with well yeah because Johnson stole his girlfriend reportedly allegedly yeah reportedly so but no I think I mean in a lot of ways also there's a report out there that those are three guys that.

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That punk had an issue with that times during his running WWE or post WWE so like I for me I took it as people that scene had buried as time went on personally supposedly yeah which I'm like I don't remember seen a bearing

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or that US title match is still one of my favorite matches of all time. I think it was more or less like there was a period of time I remember people there was like a rumor that Cesaro is going to be facing Johnson for the title at Summer Slam and that never came to fruition because Vincent thing Claudio could talk which he's kind of right on like the whole brass ring thing was basically talking about Cesaro all that time like reach for the brass ring and it never kind of materialized but that's that could literally be a podcast for another.

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So anyway Dr. Trey and I have both picked Johnson to retain the unspeakable championship we will recap interview night of champions on next week's edition of SRT you on July the third with that said let's close up shop on this week's edition

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