Aug. 16, 2024

Does WWE Have A Problem Booking Their World Champions? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #757 – 8/15/24

Does WWE Have A Problem Booking Their World Champions? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #757 – 8/15/24

On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:

- -- Does WWE have a creative problem booking their World Champions?
- -- Randy Orton wants one more run with this WWE Legend...but do we?
- -- How is The Wyatt Sicks early run going so far?
- -- Several...

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On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:

  • -- Does WWE have a creative problem booking their World Champions?
  • -- Randy Orton wants one more run with this WWE Legend...but do we?
  • -- How is The Wyatt Sicks early run going so far?
  • -- Several current AEW names are contemplating a jump to WWE!
  • -- Is this the best AEW built feud ever?
  • -- And AEW All In is Texas bound in 2025!

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It's welcome everybody.

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Welcome to this week's edition. This story on the show

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EPISOD number seven or fifty seven for August eighteen, twenty

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twenty four. Welcome to this week's edition of as RT.

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You I am one after the show, I am Jeff

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Pack joined every single week are Hoist Loly, Doctor Tray Franklin,

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Doctor Tray. I know you may not feel this way

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that I'd like to give you a title shot, my friend.

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I mean, am I going into a gauntlet match? Or

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is just because we're friends and I don't deserve it,

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but you think I look pretty sweet with a beer

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and a Jebby and a little bit of a beer gut.

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I just think you deserve it. You may not feel

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that way. I think you deserve it.

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I mean, I'm just saying because we saw this on

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like two different shows this week, whereas like, Eh, you

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haven't really done anything, but I'll give you a title shot,

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or Hey, I know you're not even on this Bram,

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but I'll give you a title shot, or hey, we're

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gonna give a chance to one of six people who've never.

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Had a title shot. Who knows.

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It's like Oprah, everybody's getting a title shot, whether you

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deserve it or.

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Not, let's get into it, my friends. We talked about

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the end of last week's show. It was bleeding in

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and out of a lot of the things that we

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were talking about in regards to Cody Rhodes, in regards

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to Bailey and I simply put does w we have

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a creative problem booking their World champions And as we

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talked about here just now on the top of the show,

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we were interested in the direction of Cody Rhodes heading

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into Bash and Berlin. We were thinking maybe Cody and

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Roman tag together to take on Solo and Tematunga Tungaloa.

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Obviously they keep Jacob Fatu. Instead, they went to Cody

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Rhods versus Kevin Owens. Because Cody Roads simply wants to

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give Kevin Owens a time shot. Kevin Owens doesn't think

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he deserves it. They threaten to give it to Roman

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Reigns and then he was like, all right, I'll take it, basically,

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and now that is the match at Bash in Berlin,

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Gunther is defending his World Away Championship against a SmackDown

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star Because of the King of the Ring folly back

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in May, where Randy's shoulders weren't pinned. I actually like

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that a full disclosure right now. I actually like that

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they're circling back around in this. How they got there

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is kind of iffy, but I liked that they got

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back around to it. We discussed Bailey's in title title

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entire title run as the WA Women's Champion kind of

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falling short a little bit, being a little bit inadequate.

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Doctor Trey just pointed out the NXC Women's Championship. They're

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gonna have a I think a six woman gauntlet match

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for people who have never had a championship title match

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in their entire time in NXD this Tuesday's edition of NXC.

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If you look at the women's title on Raw the world,

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uh huh, what is it? The Women's World Championship on

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Raw Live in Rhea. That makes a ton of sense.

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I love the way that they booked that. But looking

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at the grand scheme of things now, Doctor Trey and

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we'd even see Naya on Friday's edition of SmackDown to

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follow up up on SummerSlam. As now she is the

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WA Women's Champion. I simply put in and out of

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the show last week. Does w we have a creative

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problem booking the world champions. I still think they do,

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because some of the hottest feuds outside of Rhea and

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Live Morgan right now all involve no championships whatsoever. What

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say you, my friend, We've had a week to think

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about it.

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See if this, if this conversation had been say pre SummerSlam,

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I would have appreached a little more patience because typically

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WRESTLEMANI is the culmination of all the rivalries, a year

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long build up, and then we start fresh. But we're

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post SummerSlam, and at this point usually you've kind of

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started to build the next hot guy to kind of

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come up to challenge the champions, and we really haven't

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done it. And like we're talking about last week, you know,

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when you have a guy like Gunther, who on his

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own show is maybe the fifth or sixth most over

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guy on his show, and he's the world champion, it

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makes anything he does right now, unless he's competing against

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one of those other top five guys, is going to

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be down the ladder. When you have Cody, who is

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arguably the face of your company, and you said last

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week that you felt he is the face of the company.

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Now he's going to be overshadowed by Roman and you

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don't have a hot heel to put him with. You

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have to make weird pivots I mean. And this ties

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into the Bailey stuff because even when Bailey won the title,

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her first few was her first match was really with Naomi,

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kind of the same thing we're seeing with Cody and

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Ko where it's like, hey, I'm going to give you

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an opportunity even though you really haven't done anything since

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you've been back, to deserve this.

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I don't know if it's a creative issue.

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With champions or just a creative issue with building other

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heels up to kind of like a heel without a

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group or a faction or something that's where Hey, whether

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it's the old school way, we need the monster of

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the Month club, or we need the next devious guy,

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or we need somebody, but really there's an issue with

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just heels.

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In WWE as a whole.

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And when your roster's loaded with a lot of top

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babyface guys, you kind of need somebody for those guys

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to fight, and right now we just don't have anybody.

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Yeah, It's it's a really interesting thing that's going on

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right now. I kind of think when you look at

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the SmackDown side, then the way that Cody Roads has

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been booked. I've been very adamant that coming out of WrestleMania,

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I have not been the biggest fan of the Cody

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Roads booking. I like the stuff with AJ Styles, The

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Logan Paul match for Saudi Arabia was just to appease

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the Saudi Arabian audience. The stuff with Solozaka, the bloodline

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that made sense going in SummerSlam, coming out of it

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again now Bash in Berlin, it's like he's he's stagnant,

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and I think that there are easier ways to go

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and say we're gonna put Kevin Owens in this match,

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other than just saying I want to give you a

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title shot. Like I thought, that was very very strange,

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Doctor Trey. I mean, how do you not do a

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number one contenders match, How do you not have Kevin

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Owens versus Solo, versus AJ Styles versus La Knight, whomever,

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or do a little mini tournament to build to Bash

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in Berlin so that Kevin Owens comes off that he

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does deserve this opportunity. I think Owen's just saying he

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doesn't deserve it and kind of you can't disagree with

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him in a sense because the way that he's been

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booked and he's gotten a lot of losses lately, it's

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just it's just strange. And again, I didn't know if

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it was a Cody problem specifically, but I I think

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it's a World Champions problem right now. And it's almost

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like WDWI has booked so heavily into the Bloodline storyline

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that they are focusing on some of that and the

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World titles taking a back seat on Raw. Maybe Punk

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Drew McIntyre is leading the charge ahead of stuff with Gunther.

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Certainly you saw that kind of play out in the

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segment this past week. I mean there's so many different directions,

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Like I get doing the orton gun through match, but

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I would have liked to got in there other than

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him just coming out and challenge him to a match

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and Yaomi won, Like I would have loved. Bronson Reid

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took out Seth Rollins two weeks ago, Great Bronson Reid

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took out Our Truth this week. Great put Bronson Reid

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in the match with Gunther, Like Gunther's gonna enter Berlin

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as the hometown favorite, Like put him in there against

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the heel Bronson Reid and make Bronson look great and

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Gunher delivers in a great match. Gunher gets a victory,

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but Bronson looks still pretty strong. That what made sense

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to me. It just I feel like we're in a

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stagnant time for w William. We're just kind of in

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a holding pattern right now for bigger stuff that's going

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to take place down the line, for Cody Rhodes, for

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Gunther whomever. At this point.

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Yeah, I mean, like let's just looking at a SmackDown and

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we not only we have the Cody giving you know,

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Ko the match, but if you want to see the issue,

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you have the brand new United States Champion and the

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first person that they bring up to have him to

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have challenge him is Santos Escobar. Like, that's your number

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two singles heel right now, that's not in the bloodline,

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Like that's the number or is he the number one heel?

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I mean, that's your number two title. That's your hot

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baby face United States Champion. And the first person you

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have him pair off Agains is saying, now, that's not

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a knock on Santo's as a performer.

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It's just that.

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Really since the LWO and you know, went the wrong,

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like Santos really hasn't done much, and then it just

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feels like they don't keep their heels as strong unless

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it's Gunther Like the whole thing with Bronton. Reid's great

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for the last two weeks, but where was this for

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the previous six months that he's been on the show,

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Like they just really have a hard time building up

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heels unless they're part of a faction, and then for

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some reason it's like we have to do faction against faction,

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Like legitimately, you just let Bobby Lashley.

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Walk out the door? How great would Bobby Lashley and

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Cody b for Berlow?

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Wowint Man, you.

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Know something like that, Like you weren't doing anything with them.

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You could have resigned them even for a short term,

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put them in this angle. And these guys have history

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from God forbid hena Impact game, so it wouldn't even

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be like a first time match like this is something

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that happened in Impact, so like there's some history there

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as well. But otherwise what are you going to do? Like,

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like how how does this whole thing play?

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Like this? Cody Ando is just a filler until.

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We get more bloodline drama to add Cody to the

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mix or Kao does something else, or you know, it's

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just it's very confusing when you look at that ross

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and you're like, Okay, well AJ's not doing anything right now,

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so he's not available. He could have cycled at least

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that backup to give Cody something to do.

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You want all last fails break Aj styles glass.

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Yeah, you know, in case of emergency, you know.

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And but just the fact that you know Carmelo Hayes,

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you know that we could have revisited that and you

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could have helped build Carmelo up at least in the meantime,

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or Carmelo in La Knight. You know, like there's just

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a heel issue in WWE outside of maybe the bloodline

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Gunther and Drew in a little bit and now Finn,

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but really maybe raws just too loaded. I don't know

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what the fix is because they just SmackDown's done a

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great job with the bloodline stuff, and you know, the

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La Night Logan Paul stuff was pretty decent. But really,

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you look at that show from from top to bottom,

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they're just every champion feels stagnant. The tag team divisions

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feels stagnant, Women's division feels stagnant. It is just the

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whole to me that there's more of an issue with

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that show than really anything else.

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And the other thing, too, is if you're in a

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holding pattern right now, then what I would be doing

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or what I'd like to see as a wrestling fan

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is elevating new stars. And you may hate me for

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this idea, but as we were talking about it, Doctor Trey,

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I could get behind Cody Rhodes and Kevin Owens being

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in a match with a world title on the line.

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But why don't you add maybe Grayson Waller and Austin

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Theory in there. You make it a fatal four way.

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Those two guys have had like this weird quasi. They

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may not They may be breaking up soon in Austin

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Theory may becoming a babyface. Uh, Grayson Waller may becoming

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a heel. I think the Grayson Waller heel run has

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a lot of upside to it if they execute it

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rather soon. I think he has a lot of upside

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to be in an uppercard, mid main event level picture

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as a really really good heel. And Austin Theory is

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a babyface. I don't know if I could get behind that,

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but that would be interesting. Like you do a match

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where Cody and Kevin Owens are all of a sudden

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they have a running with atown down under behind the

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scenes in the backstage area, and that leads to a

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match on SmackDown which then gets blown apart in a

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double disqualification, and they decided to make a fatal four

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way match at Bash and Berlin for the toddle on

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the line, and you're using Kevin, you're using Cody'd helped

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elevate Austin theory, and Grayson Waller is as legitimate heels

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on the SmackDown brand. That would be something new and different.

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It really seems to me that I felt like the

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direction was going to be Randy and Cody coming out

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of SummerSlam, and I think that may have been where

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the tee leaves were heading. But with the stuff going

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on with Judgment Day on Raw, with the stuff going

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on with Bloodline on SmackDown, they had to change things

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around a little bit, because, as you pointed out, you know,

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it's not just the heel problem on the SmackDown side

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outside of like the major storylines, We're having that problem

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on Raw as well. And I wonder, just talking out loud,

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doctor Trey, I wonder if the seth rollins injury, so

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he's he's injured and it's only gonna be a short

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period of time. I wonder if that has played a

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role into it where they had to change things around.

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That almost makes sense, as I'm talking out loud, that

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could have changed things up a little bit and made

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gun Through go this way with Orton from SmackDown and

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then made Kevin Owens go with Cody Rhoades like I don't.

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I mean, these matches at Bash and Berlin are gonna

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be solid, They're gonna be a lot of fun. I

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think the feud build is gonna be decent. It's just

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how we got there coming out of SummerSlam. It's like, uh,

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how do we do this? So it just it just

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leads creed into the discussion we had on last week's

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show We're caring over right now, is do they have

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a creative problem booking their world champions Because outside of

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some you know, really good storylines that may have had

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a world title involved for a little bit or not,

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whether it be the bloodline, whether it be Judgment Day,

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it's like Cody on his own kind of mediocre stuff

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right now, Gunther on his own very very short term

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is a little mediocre right now. I thought that they

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helped elevate that a lot this past Monday where they

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integrated the punk Drew McIntyre stuff in there. I think

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you saw Gunther backstage really pissed off with Randy Orton

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and everything that took place. Like, I liked that. Now,

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this is the tried and true discussion we always said

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to have. It reminds me of Ray Mysterio in two

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thousand and six, Ray finally climbed the mountain, won the

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world championship Freddie Garrow who had passed away months earlier,

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and then his world title run was kind of boring.

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Fans lost interest into it. The biggest thing that was

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going to play a major part in Cody Rhodes is

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once they finished the story, where do they go from here?

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And I know he said, well, the story's never finished,

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but I think in the eyes of the minds of

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the fans eye it is, so where do they go

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with Cody from here? Is really really interer. It's it's

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a challenge and I do not envy the creative team

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right now.

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saying was when WrestleMania, and you're already kind of putting

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the next year's WrestleMania card in place, and if on

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that card you're looking at, you know, let's just say

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Cody and Rock like you're trying to get to that,

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you know, or something like that. Like it's really hard

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to backfill everything in for a year because obviously you

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want Cody to have a decent run with the title.

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You're hoping you don't have to take it off of

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him between now and WrestleMania. But you know, at the

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same time, you have to kind of go like, here's

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our here's our roster, here's our our pecking order. We

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need to make sure that this thing stays pretty even

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between the heels and baby faces.

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And we've seen that.

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You know, you and I have been doing this show

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for a very very long time, and we've seen times

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like this where somebody gets hot and you feel like,

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oh crap, he has to go be a baby face,

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and it throws off the entirety of the show because

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you don't have that balance, you don't have strong babyfaces

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and strong heels. It feels overloaded from.

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Time to time.

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So it is kind of just you know, a machination

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of the machine where you know, all of a sudden

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you just flip Damien Priest to a babyface and then

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you know, you know, Gunh. You're trying to keep Gunther

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getting booed, so you have to put them with a

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strong baby face. In Berlin, if you put it with

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a Bronton read, then the crowd's gonna cheer for him,

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and then the American crowd might think that, oh crap,

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we like Gunther too now, and then Gunther ends up being.

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A weird baby face.

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Like you kind of have to be careful because of

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how you put guys together because the crowds. Crowds are fickle,

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to use an old Daniel Bryant saying, crowds are very fickle.

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Uh So, just depending on your booking, the whole thing

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can turned around. Because I don't really think them getting

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to where they got with Damian Priest was the plan

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until the crowd started to get behind him, and then

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oddly enough he starts wrestling more and more like Undertaker.

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So I don't know if that was the case or not.

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But the strap's coming down and everything else is very reminiscent,

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but it's just maybe poor short term planning to try

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to get to the long term storyline sometimes where stuff

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like this happens.

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Yeah, I think they got a problem. I think David

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always a creative problem booking their world champions right now.

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I mean, the Bronson Reid short term build should not

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be better than Gunther, and I know it's two different things,

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and it's like it perks mind just a lot more

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when they're getting bronze and read over versus Gunther, But

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Gunther I think should be built better in a very

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short period of time as a new world champion than

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Bronson Reid. And the same thing with like bron Breaker.

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I mean the build for bron Breaker on Rod's been

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really really good. Yet gon Thor was like a way

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off television for several weeks getting ready for SummerSlam. So

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it's all very interesting and it's just funny that this

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kind of like fell into our laps a little bit,

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just conversation and then literally that SmackDown the night after

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our podcast. It was like, Kevin, I want to give

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you a title shot. No, I don't want to take

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your title shot. Well, I'm going to go talk to Adam. Adam,

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I want to give Kevin a title shot. I think

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that's a great idea. Cody Kevin's like, I don't want

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the title shot, Well, then we're going to give the

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title shots to Roman. Well then I'm going to take

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the title shot. He doesn't deserve it. Okay, We've got

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our Matchum Passion Berlin and I'm like, what, Like, were

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they listening to the show and they were like, we

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want to give these two guys that do a little

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wrestling podcast some more fodder on their on their show

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the following week, because I know they mentioned at the

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end and here we are, So yeah, there's definitely created

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a problem with booking the World Champions. I just is

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it the title or is it the individual doctor try Yeah.

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By the way, why the hell was it Adam Priest

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on SmackDown.

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Excuse me nick All this? I said. I meant to say,

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nick All, this my apologies.

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I was like, I got thrown off for my apologies.

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Yes, but yeah, it's to me.

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I don't know if it's there's a problem with booking

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World Champions when you don't have anybody lined up dicks

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and maybe they thought the stuff.

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Maybe they thought.

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Roman was going to be away longer and they had

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planned to do a couple of things with Solo because

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to me, actually the whole Solo Roman thing felt a

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little rushed. It felt like because for a while it

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was the whole like I was talking to Roman, I'm

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the tribal chief while he's gone, and then all of

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a sudden he just turned. It was like, basy f Roman.

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Roman was weak. It's like when if this happened, it

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just came out of nowhere. So I don't know if

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it was we were going to do Solo and Cody

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for a couple of shows, and then Roman was able

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to come back earlier, and so it changed the booking

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as well for this because if you got Cody and

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Solo for a couple shows like for summerslamb Berlin, and

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then the following month then Roman returns leading into Survivor series,

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that timeline would have made more sense.

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But instead, to me.

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That whole Loveline thing kind of came out of I

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don't say that out of left field, but it happened

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a lot sooner than I expected it too.

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Agreed. I agree. So, yeah, it's interesting times for the

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creative team. We often praise them lately, but you got

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to point out when it's like a little bit confusing

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as well, and I think they're in a very weird

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time and I think they'll get I certainly believe they

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will get to a great spot. But right now, in

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the dog days of summer, there's a little bit of

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like head tilt a little bit when it comes to

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certain people in their storylines and they hold world titles,

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and it's like, I think they're got a problem book

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in the World champions right now, because that's certainly how

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it looks like, because if Judgment Day is outperforming and

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I know Live and Really have a world title in there,

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and that is a case that is where they are

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not having a creative problem. But I think that is

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a grander scale of everything. And yeah, it's it's just

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really strange. So the number one contender for the World

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aweight Championship on Raw is SmackDown's own Randy Orton. He

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had a sit down interview with Cody Rhoads for his

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new YouTube show like something to talk About or what

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the hell is the thing that Cody always says, what

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do you want to talk about? And they brought up

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John Cena's retirement run and he said he wants one

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more run with John Cena. He said, John is kind

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of like going in an organic way of of how

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this has all got to take place, but he thinks

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he's got to get there at some point. And when

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you look at John Cena's career, like I think the

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rock to his Austin is Randy Orton, I think there

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are people out there that will make the case that

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edge is in there as well, and I would agree,

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But those two guys were the flag bearers for the company,

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you know, in the early to mid two thousands till

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the mid twenty tens, Like those were the two guys

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that were running the show. And I think Randy mentions

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in the clip that I watch that I know at

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times it was like being shoved down fans throat and

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it was like too much and people were getting sick

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of it. And I was like, oh yeah, I remember

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those times where it was like we're getting another Randy

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Orton John Cena match on Raw, We're getting another Randy

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Orton John Cena match on a pay per view. But

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it's like nostalgia tells me Doctor Trey that I would

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love to see one more run. And when I think

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of people, I would love to see Johnson have a

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little mini feud with a match with There are people

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saying that they want to see this at WrestleMania. I

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personally would have see him punk in there as well,

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but I think it's I think it's Randy Orton, doctor Trey.

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So do we want to see Randy Orton have one

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more run in twenty twenty five with John Cena for

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old time sake? Uh?

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Yeah, I would be opposed to it.

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I mean between the YouTube thing with Cody and then

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the little promo back and forth with Gunther and him,

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you know, bringing up fifteen times and stuff like that.

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I mean, fourteen times going to be fifteen times all

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that stuff like in twenty years in the company, Like

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Randy can still go and Sena can still pretty much go.

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I know the last match we saw him in was

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the solo match and then you know the Austin Theory match.

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But you know, Scenic can can pump it up. I

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think what he feels like he has to pump it up,

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so you know, to have one more run with those guys,

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a little bit of the one instead of what was

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the one?

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The one and done with Rock and then actually became

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the second one?

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Was they was eight and twenty nine I was at

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twenty nine, but twenty eight was the one and only

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match or whatever.

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Yeah, but once in a life.

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Until we do it the next year.

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Yeah.

469
00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.400
But I mean, you know, and then we had the.

470
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.200
Best wrestling match ever with Randy and Edge. I mean,

471
00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.880
we could do something like Sena and Norton Last Time

472
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:51.279
Ever type thing. Yeah.

473
00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.640
Yeah, and that has a lot of credence to it, right,

474
00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.279
that's a lot of build I think fans were being

475
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:56.920
clamoring for.

476
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.559
Yeah, I mean, and I think for the guys in

477
00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:04.559
the fans in their late twenties, early thirties that kind

478
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.200
of grew up on the Sena Ordon era, like, I

479
00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:09.079
think they'd be all on board for it, and I don't.

480
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:10.079
I wouldn't be a poser.

481
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:14.720
I'd love if somehow Randy did win the title and

482
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.079
then that match with Sena would be for Sina to

483
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.640
break the Flair record or you know, for Randy to

484
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:22.359
hang on to it.

485
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:23.839
You know.

486
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:25.960
I know this is a little side thing here, but

487
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.880
I was thinking about this this this week as I

488
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.920
was watching Raw and Smack Down everything else, Like Orton

489
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.559
twenty years in the company, you know, fourteen world titles.

490
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:39.000
But I don't know if at any point in the

491
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:40.039
twenty years he.

492
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:40.960
Was the guy.

493
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.519
And I don't know if there's anybody else that has

494
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:48.960
that kind of resume where it's like the guys and

495
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.400
you know, arguably Mount Rushmore, you know, arguably top ten

496
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:58.160
all time, but was never the guy in WWE. So

497
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:01.960
that's like he maybe he's the best. I don't want

498
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.680
to say this, it sounds hurtful. Maybe Grandior is the

499
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.359
best B plus wrestler of all time.

500
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.720
I think to me, Doctor Trey, that Sina was Hogan,

501
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:11.079
Orton was Savage.

502
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.519
Yeah, but even Savage well did any.

503
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.559
But Orton had a similar run there, like when Sina

504
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.039
was away or they would put the title on Orton

505
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.359
and let him be the face for a while. There

506
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.079
was a period of time where they tried to he

507
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:26.960
was one of the hottest baby faces at a period

508
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.200
of time I think was after I think it was

509
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.599
twenty ten, Like when we first started the show, he

510
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:36.799
was super over as a babyface. And I've always maybe

511
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.720
like the rock to the Austin I think on the

512
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.319
rivalry side makes sense, but I think when you look

513
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.559
at their like the Ladder of w WA, I felt

514
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.400
like Sina's Hogan, Orton's Savage.

515
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.119
Orton is kind of a victim of Sena's longevity.

516
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.400
Would that be an accurate way of stating.

517
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:57.200
It in a way, But it was around so long

518
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:02.839
each person, but each person made the other one better.

519
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.160
Like I think they obviously they ran that few down

520
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.640
our throats. But I think when you look at some

521
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:10.720
of the greatest rivalries in professional wrestling in the last

522
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:16.480
twenty five years, I mean longevity wise, importance, how they

523
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.920
carried the company, how they carried the business, what they

524
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.680
did for the future. I mean I think it's Sina Orton.

525
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.079
Yeah, no, I mean I like you said, like I

526
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.000
love the Hogan Savage comparison. I just I was the

527
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.359
thinking about it, Like I was, like, I don't remember

528
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.519
a time when Randy was the face of the company.

529
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.960
You know, it's always like there was Orton, but even

530
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:41.839
I mean there was Seena. But even when Orton would

531
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.559
get hot, you had Batista right there as well. For

532
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:46.680
a little while, Batista was the face of the company.

533
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.480
So like it just Randy falls in that weird crack

534
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.079
where because of you know, seen his longevity and how

535
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.480
long Sena was on top four, it kind of pushed

536
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.279
Randy down a little bit. And made him and we

537
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:01.039
talked about like rand maybe the bet one of the

538
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.119
best soldiers of all time when it comes to wrestling,

539
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.960
much like Jericho was. It's just was like man, twenty years,

540
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.680
fourteen world titles, and I just don't know if I

541
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:11.640
could ever say that there was a period of time

542
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.880
like it was never for a year where Orton was

543
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.920
the guy, like it was always in short bursts.

544
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.960
But I mean, to be fair, like Randy was, he's

545
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.759
a better heel, Like he's great now because he's like

546
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.079
completely being himself and he doesn't give a shit and

547
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.119
the fans are embracing him in that sense. I think

548
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.279
I think everybody sees the riding in the wall, even

549
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.920
though I think Orton just signed like a five year

550
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.559
contract I'd read the other day like an extension, Like

551
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.039
everybody see, but this could be his last contract. In

552
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:40.359
all honesty, I think a lot of people see and

553
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.680
just appreciate what Orton has done. I mean, Orton can

554
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.440
turn heel tomorrow, and I think fans will still be

555
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:47.599
happy with him. Like even when he was doing stuff

556
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:50.400
with Edge, people were still like, oh man, this is

557
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.640
some of the best Randy Orton stuff. It was like

558
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.559
when Sina won the United States Championship back in sixteen

559
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.440
seventeen whenever. That was during the SmackDown Live era, and

560
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.119
we were sitting here no sooner than that. It was

561
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.079
like fourteen fifteen when he faced Kevin Owens, and we're like,

562
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.440
I think this is the best we've seen of John Cena.

563
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:08.279
And it's because they were out of the world title

564
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.920
picture and you were just kind of appreciating their en

565
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.680
ring stuff. They weren't the a player, they weren't the

566
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:15.319
person that's in the main event every single night, and

567
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.079
you were just watching them work and you're like, damn,

568
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.480
scene is good. And I feel like that's how people

569
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.440
have been with Orton for like the last ten years now.

570
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.559
Yeah, And you know, we talked about this a coop

571
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.839
weeks ago, like if Orton did try to turn heel

572
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:29.400
at any point, I think the fans will still just

573
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:30.720
cheer for him because.

574
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.599
He's in that I don't know what.

575
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.680
I don't know if there's anybody else who's been like,

576
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.119
you know, we did get that SNA love the last

577
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:40.960
couple of years, but it was basically gonna be kind

578
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.000
of went part time for a guy like Randy right now,

579
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.720
who's basically been back for about a year since he's

580
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.759
been back maybe a little over a year since return

581
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.119
of the injury, like he can do no wrong and

582
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.480
he's he I think it's weird because you see him

583
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.279
and you're absolutely right, like he's just having fun and

584
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.359
not giving a crap and the fans eat that up.

585
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:03.319
But it's like I think he he recognizes that he's

586
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.559
not it's not so much borrow time, but this is

587
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.359
like a second second life for him right now in

588
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.480
this run where it was never guaranteed that he was

589
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.599
gonna come back from those injuries, and he's just like,

590
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:15.240
I'm just gonna have a blast with it.

591
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:16.359
I'm gonna have fun.

592
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.359
And the line that he used with GUNTHERER there and

593
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.200
I where he was like I got five kids and

594
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.160
a smoke show wife at home, Like that was him

595
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.039
saying I could quit tomorrow and I'm fine, but I

596
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.039
love this too much and you can see it, and

597
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:32.720
I think, right, like you're absolutely right, Like I don't

598
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.759
I don't think, you know, short of I don't know

599
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.279
if there's a baby face on the roster that he

600
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.359
could attack or the crowd would kind of turn, you know,

601
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.559
And I think of even if he turned on Cody,

602
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.279
it would be kind of like Becky and Charlotte, where

603
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.039
when Becky turned on Charlotte to turn her heel and

604
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.680
the crowd was like, Nope, we like her more. I

605
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:51.559
think it'd be going with the same thing if Randy

606
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.839
did turn on Cody in the next few months, that

607
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:55.799
the crowd would just be like, no, we still like

608
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.160
Randy Moore, so yeah, we'll just boom Cody instead.

609
00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:59.799
I think they eventually get there, and I think the

610
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.039
way they get there's just like a respect thing between

611
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.559
the two of them. I do not think it's like

612
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.400
a turn from Reindeor and I would be surprised by

613
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.839
that because I think we see that way too much

614
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:11.640
in wrestling nowadays, where there has to be like this

615
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.319
personal animosity turn, and I think it's gonna be more

616
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.599
of a respect thing. Should we get to orton Cody,

617
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.079
which I think we eventually do by years en, I

618
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.359
feel like that is the few that carries Cody into

619
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.480
like rumble in regards to Raindort and something I was

620
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.400
thinking about too, if you look from two thousand and

621
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.240
two to about like twenty twelve, I don't think he

622
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.839
was ever the guy because the company could not trust him.

623
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.519
And this is stuff that's like really well documented. I

624
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:39.759
remember it was like talking about in his A and

625
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.960
E biography and it's twofold. One is something that he

626
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.440
had no control over. He was getting injured often. He

627
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.279
had the shoulder issues and he was getting hurt, he

628
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.119
had the back problems. And then the second thing was attitude.

629
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.640
His attitude was piss poor. Whenever they put him in media,

630
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.920
it was like he was a complete dick, admittedly. And

631
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:01.680
then the last thing was is addiction to painkillers. I mean,

632
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:05.240
he was suspended multiple times. He was one suspension away

633
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.880
from being fired by w W. So I think he

634
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.880
was never the guy doctor Trey. And this may be

635
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.519
forgotten about from a business standpoint when Sena was on

636
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.880
top because the company could not trust him to carry

637
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.880
that torch like they may have wanted to when Sina

638
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.559
was in and out of the company, or they needed

639
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.160
a refresh of John Cena being at top for a

640
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.599
little bit.

641
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:27.799
Yeah, that was just one of the things where when

642
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.440
you watch that promo, Gunther, I'm like, man, you a

643
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.759
fourteen time World CHAMPI there's not a lot of guys

644
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.119
above six, you know, and those guys who above were

645
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:42.079
up above six have like maybe Edge was never the

646
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:46.359
guy in WWE, but outside of that, everybody else who's

647
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:50.079
had that many runs, at least at some point was

648
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.319
the focal point of the show for an extended period

649
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.480
of time, maybe outside of Randy and and like I said,

650
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.559
maybe Edged to a degree as.

651
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.440
Well, Doctor Trey. There are people out there, and this

652
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.079
is a podcast in itself, so I don't want to

653
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:03.920
get too deep into it, but there are people out

654
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.480
there that will say that Triple H was new for

655
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:07.200
the guy either.

656
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.759
Yeah, except that I can go back and say that

657
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:15.480
run he had with Flair, Batista and Orton, that was

658
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.920
his time to be the guy.

659
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.920
Like, but he was a heel. He wasn't like I

660
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.599
think people look at the guy. I see. That's what

661
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.720
I mean, Like this could be a podcast. I think

662
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.200
people look at the guy as being like a babyface

663
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.279
like Codeina.

664
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.240
But Flair was the guy in NWA and he was

665
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:32.200
the heel with the Horseman.

666
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.000
I think people would argue that though. I think they

667
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.480
would say that that Dusty was the guy and Sting

668
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:38.799
was the guy.

669
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.920
But you know, I still look at it as like

670
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:43.920
the guy that you're making the money off of or

671
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.279
the people you're either coming to see win or you're

672
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.079
paying money to come see then get their off kicks.

673
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.079
Was Piper the guy during the run with Hogan?

674
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:53.400
No, it was still Hogan.

675
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.240
See. I mean that's the thing I feel like. Yeah,

676
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.079
I mean it's a Ying and a Yang deal. Again,

677
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:58.319
this could be talked about it.

678
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.759
People were coming.

679
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.079
More people are paying money to see Hogan get his

680
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.039
ass kicked than they were paying to see Piper do

681
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.680
the ass kicking. Like we all want to see Piper

682
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.880
kicking Hogan's ass, but more because we hated Hogan more

683
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.480
than we love Piper that more.

684
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.000
Sena Orton. Does it happen during the retirement run?

685
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:19.039
Yeah? I think it does.

686
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.160
I think you have to do. I think you'll see

687
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.680
like Sina with a couple of the young guys and

688
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.319
then cut with a couple of the stall warts, uh

689
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.119
that he's had history with. I think you'll get sena

690
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:31.759
Orton and you'll get a scene a punk, but you

691
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.599
also might get Sena bron Breaker, you know, Sena Gunther.

692
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.759
I think sena Orton happens as well, and I think

693
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.519
it happens at WrestleMania Doctor Try.

694
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.680
Yeah, I think the one thing I will say, thank

695
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.319
Gods in here because that would be the world title match.

696
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.079
That'd be It would be a world title match.

697
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.680
I don't think if one of those guys would be

698
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.680
comfortable with that at this point, but yes, I can

699
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.759
understand that perspective. Keeping up with WWE here we did

700
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.680
not talk about on last week's show with everything going on,

701
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.319
but I want to talk about on this week's show.

702
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.519
The Wyatt Six, Joe Gacy, Eric Rowan, and Exll Loomis

703
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.840
made their en ring debut on last week's edition of Raw.

704
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.280
Ten days ago. They defeated American Maid, the Creed Brothers

705
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.320
and Chad Gable.

706
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:18.519
Is.

707
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.519
What is your thoughts on the n ring debut and

708
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:25.559
their run so far early on Doctor Trey, Because I

709
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.440
gotta admit, I don't think it's as going as well

710
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:29.480
as I thought it was going to go.

711
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.280
I thought their in ring performance was really really good,

712
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.920
Like I love that each one of the guys, and

713
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.519
this may be something I don't know if everybody picked

714
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.440
up on or everybody did pick up on it. I

715
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.599
really didn't get on social media much afterwards to kind.

716
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.840
Of see the feedback play. Every single one.

717
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.360
Of the guys did something that was either Bray or

718
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.239
Brody you know, whether it's Gaycy upside down or littlemis

719
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.280
doing his little slide thing. But that's very reminiscent. And

720
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.000
even you know Rowan doing the shout out to Brody

721
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.239
Lee as well. I like that part. I think the

722
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.679
issue that you run into with this group, and this

723
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:09.639
is something we've talked about the past, is when you

724
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:16.000
have a group, or you have somebody who has their

725
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:19.920
character is tended towards the dark side, that it's really

726
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.079
hard for them to be believable babyfaces because they don't

727
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:24.320
have obstacles to overcome.

728
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:25.599
It was always one of the.

729
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.840
Issues with you know, Taker when he was fighting smaller guys,

730
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.760
which was like they needed a group or they needed

731
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.639
to be you know this, you know, some underhanded way

732
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.840
for you to feel like Taker could lose that match.

733
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.440
Otherwise he had to fight.

734
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.719
Big guys his side with a group like the Ya six,

735
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.440
which outside of Rowan, none of them are giants. I mean,

736
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.480
Loomis is a tall guy, Casey's dick, but like you

737
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.400
just you have to feel like they have obstacles to

738
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.360
overcome to cheer for them, and I just don't know

739
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.519
if that's the ways to me, like, when you have

740
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.679
characters like this, they're better being portrayed as as eels.

741
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:03.079
But must we talking about Randy Orton.

742
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:07.559
I don't know if fans could booth the Wyatts or

743
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.360
the Whitat six with the history of the Wyatt family

744
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.480
being like the direct lineage.

745
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.960
Yeah, no, it I think the thing I like the

746
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.400
end ring stuff. I thought that was good, and I

747
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.199
thought they did a good job of kind of like

748
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.360
address seeing that they're not gonna have like these supernatural

749
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.119
powers type stuff like we saw in the beginning. The

750
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.880
thing I'd like to see a little bit more dout

751
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.679
Trey Is. I thought the obviously the Uncle Howdy bo

752
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.320
Dallas and Eric Rowan vignettes were really well done. I

753
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.159
was left wanting more with Joe Gacy, Dexter Loomis and

754
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.360
Nicky Cross. Did you feel that way?

755
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.719
Yeah, because I wanted Loomis to and I don't and

756
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.639
I don't remember the video over Bayman saying with Jaycy's

757
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:54.519
but like I wanted Loomis to lean in more into

758
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.920
him being abandoned by the way and by Andy Hartwell

759
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.039
and hell. I mean, now that we have TNA talk,

760
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.360
you can talk about how he was abandoned by TNA,

761
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.679
you know, and that's what led him to where he's

762
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.760
at now. Saying with Joe Gacy, like he had his

763
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.840
family that he had started to build, much like Bray

764
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.480
Whyatt built his and then his whole family abandoned him

765
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.559
in NXT and then how Uncle Howdie found him, Like

766
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.719
you want to kind of feel for these guys and

767
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:29.000
feel a connection and that understanding of abandonment, and that's

768
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.960
how they got to where they're at now. And I

769
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.360
don't think they did a great job with Loomis and

770
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:36.239
Gaycy and Nicky Cross and that I mean, Nicky's been

771
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:41.119
abandoned by everybody in WWE literally like herl like they

772
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.159
fired her husband, her best friend's gone, Like they've done

773
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.719
all this crazy stuff with her, and I just wanted

774
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.519
some more of that. I think they did a great

775
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.000
job with Bo and with Eric. I just don't think

776
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.199
they did a great job with the other three members.

777
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:55.639
Yeah, and I just feel like they're it's kind of

778
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.280
like stop start a little bit with the Wyat sex.

779
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.679
I don't know what's going on with the American Made feud.

780
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.239
I don't know if that's done now, but i'd liked

781
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.159
I would have liked to see more integration with them

782
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:07.960
heading in the SummerSlam. I thought they should have been

783
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.480
on the card somewhere somehow, some sort of segment even

784
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.679
and I'd like some sort of clear, concrete plan with

785
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.079
them going forward. And it's very funny, God rest his soul,

786
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.280
but we loved bray Wyatt. And one of the big

787
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.480
things that we always complained about when it came to

788
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.360
bray Wyatt, whether he was The Fiend or his final

789
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.800
run in we was like the way he was booked

790
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.239
was like you see him for a couple of weeks,

791
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.039
a couple of months, he'd go into a match at

792
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.599
a peri view, then he woul disappear for a while,

793
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.519
and that kind of booking never was good. And it's

794
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.960
it's like, you know, we talked about earlier they have

795
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.199
issues with a creative problem with with the World Champions.

796
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.239
It's like, do they have a creative problem with booking

797
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:55.480
anything whet, whether they're supernatural And it's it's eerily reminiscent

798
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.159
to me as a fan watching at Home to the

799
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.519
way that The Fiend was was was booked in the

800
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.320
way that bray was booked. Towards the end of his

801
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:03.760
fun to run with the company.

802
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.679
Yeah, and lovely is it's there used to be the

803
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.079
old story. It's really hard to book.

804
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.920
Babyface giants like you think of. You know, we always

805
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:13.719
joke about Big.

806
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.440
Show and how many times they flipped them back and forth,

807
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.760
because it's really hard to book somebody that the crowd

808
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:23.920
can kind of, you know, cheer for if they're bigger

809
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.920
and badder than everybody else, because there's no they don't

810
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.480
show a flaw. There's one of the reasons why people

811
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.440
had a hard time cheering for Sena, you know, for

812
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.199
a long time, because he was Superman. It was hard

813
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.039
to beat Superman. It's hard to beat Hulk Hogan in

814
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.079
his era. It's hard to beat the Undertaker as well.

815
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.760
Like you have to feel like there's a chance for

816
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.840
these guys to be defeated. And that was the issue

817
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.280
was with the issue that I had with the Fiend.

818
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.519
I love the Fiend character, but he was almost unstoppable

819
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:53.840
and when he did lose you and I was like,

820
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:54.519
what the hell?

821
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:55.880
That made zero sense?

822
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:57.480
A La Goldberg.

823
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.320
Beating the Fiend like you you almost have to make

824
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.320
them heels just because they're so overpowered or they're so dominant.

825
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.800
They need to slip up for them to lose. If

826
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.440
a babyface slips up, we treat him like he's a

827
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.480
dumb ass. So it's really hard to book characters like

828
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.159
this for long term, especially if the crowd loves them.

829
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.719
It's just like, well, what game, Like, what group could

830
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:26.760
you throw up there right now against the Wyat six?

831
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.039
And you're just like, all right, there's a chance they

832
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.519
might get their asses. Kids, There's really not one. I mean,

833
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.559
we just saw the Final Testament get beat up by

834
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:39.199
one guy last week, you know, the blood line. Outside

835
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.639
of that, there's not really a heel faction that you

836
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:44.480
can look at and go, yeah, those guys could take

837
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:48.760
the Wyat six. I mean, and dear God, typically I

838
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.159
love faction nicknames. But American Made Jeff, you know me,

839
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:57.480
That's all I wanted to hear. I just want to

840
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:02.679
hear them change the word mail to maids.

841
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.000
Like American made.

842
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.039
American made its.

843
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.760
Scottie Riggs and Buff Bagwell will show up in weird

844
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.159
overalls with nineties glasses on and clapping above their heads.

845
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.519
Not gonna like seeing Jack Gable in Paris this week.

846
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.000
I got Scottie Riggs and Buff Bagwell vibe from him

847
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:21.599
walking around in.

848
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:26.000
Paris, American males Uh switching gears to AW and what

849
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.639
kind of quasi awnwe Uh? There are several reportedly current

850
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.519
AW stars that are contemplating and jump to w W.

851
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.199
You've got the Luca Bros, pent and Ray Phoenix that

852
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.440
are reports out there that Pents be in Orlando, that

853
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.280
there's been discussions with WA already, that there's been a

854
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.000
contract offer for both Penta and Ray Phoenix to join WI.

855
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:46.719
Uh.

856
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.559
There's the belief that Ricky Starks, once his AW deal

857
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.400
is up, will be in W and Daniel Garcia, which

858
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.400
at one time seemed like a foregone conclusion that he

859
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.519
was going to be re signing with the company. They

860
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.480
ran the angle where MJF took him out basically because

861
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.119
his contracts coming up in October so he could return.

862
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:04.960
What do you if he were signs with the company

863
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.760
as like this huge hero or he was written off

864
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.800
for good that now Daniel Garcia is reportedly conflicted about

865
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.400
leaving W W or W for W A W four

866
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:18.199
w W, Penta and Ray seemed to me, Doctor Trey

867
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:22.400
that they are W bound Ray Phoenix. Excuse me, Ricky Starks.

868
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.039
It seems to me that he is w bound. Daniel Garcia,

869
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.880
I think he stays with AW. But your thoughts here

870
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.039
on some of the names that are contemplating leaving AW

871
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:33.719
for WE reportedly.

872
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.440
Yeah, I mean, I mean, what else can can Pena

873
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.800
and Ray Phoenix do in AW? I mean short, I mean, obviously,

874
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.480
I don't think either guys, you know, a world champion challenger,

875
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.039
so I think they've kind of maxed out with the CAN.

876
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:48.199
I think pens is one of those.

877
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.119
I think Penta is one of the best in the

878
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.039
world of kind of recognizing what his ceiling is in

879
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.239
a company and knowing when to get out before stuff

880
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.360
goes really south. I mean, they're they're in a comfortable

881
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.159
spot there. I mean, you can put him in WWE,

882
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.760
and and you know that helps spice of the tag

883
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.960
team division. They know that WW can market mass wrestlers

884
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.920
very very well as well, so that that to me

885
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.280
seems like a logical spot. The Ricky Starks thing, I mean,

886
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.639
dear God, I mean, the guy's literally trained the Nightmare

887
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.559
Factory and in Jake Cargill's posting stuff about it, so

888
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:21.440
that one seems like for gone.

889
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.800
But Daniel Garcia one is interesting because you know.

890
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.159
If you had asked me a year ago, I would

891
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:27.840
have said there's no way he's going to w W E.

892
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.599
And then he had this this run where he was dancing.

893
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.400
And I was like, Okay, well, he's got a little

894
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:32.599
bit of.

895
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:33.800
The entertainment side to him.

896
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.039
He could be more than just you know, the good

897
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.639
wrestler type guy. But I almost feel like.

898
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.159
He almost has too much respect for like the Brian Danielson's,

899
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:48.440
that John Moxley's those guys, and and and being tight

900
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.840
with mjf is it is gonna it be really hard

901
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.559
for him to just jump ship.

902
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.840
Completely because I don't know if he fits the w

903
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.679
W fist or the w look in style, but I

904
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:03.880
would say he's He's probably the one that I would

905
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.000
say everybody you just mentioned, he's the one most likely

906
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:07.960
to stay in AAW.

907
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.639
Yeah. No, I can see that. I can understand that

908
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.039
as well. I think all of these stars would be

909
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.519
better suited in WE right now. Is that is that

910
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.360
safe to say?

911
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:25.119
I would say the way that that nxt uh.

912
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.559
And to a degree, WWE have booked the guys that

913
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.280
have made the jump from AW. It makes it really

914
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.760
enticing to look at that now as a much more

915
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:35.880
playable option.

916
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.880
Than maybe a year ago. I mean, you take a guy.

917
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.000
Like Ethan Page, who was buried at the bottom of

918
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:44.039
aw's roster for a long time, and he's the NXT

919
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:48.960
champion Lexis King. You know, even Sean Spears has gotten

920
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.039
more run than maybe we thought he would an NXT.

921
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.199
It makes it much more appealing to a guy like

922
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.639
a Ricky starz Ortanier Garcia who are still young in

923
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.679
their careers and go man, I could make that jump

924
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.480
and least strike while the Irons hont because WW is

925
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.360
super high right now. But you also have to take

926
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.960
a new pants of consideration like yeah, with WW love

927
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.000
to have you know, a Daniel Garcia because he's a

928
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.960
great wrestler, absolutely, but can they bring more out of

929
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.480
him to make him into their type of superstar. I

930
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.880
think Ricky Stark pick All agree, is kind of the

931
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.800
prototycable w W young, you know, young athletic wrestler that

932
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.239
has all the skills that they can kind of capitalize on,

933
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.480
you know, and then Penta and Phoenix just have a

934
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:36.440
unique look. So I think Garcia would be the much

935
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:37.519
the ones much more.

936
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:38.000
Up in the air.

937
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.000
But about any of those four guys, I'd be looking

938
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.480
at that lancecape and go, yeah, I can make a mark,

939
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.199
I can make an impact, and I can make a

940
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.199
bigger name for myself in w w E than I

941
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:47.519
can't hear in AAW.

942
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:49.880
On next week's this is a show we will preview

943
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.639
and predict AW all in in Wembley Stadium in London.

944
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.400
Dave Meltzer recently, in regards to the Mariah May Tony

945
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.679
Storm feud, said on Wrestling's Newsletter, quote, this is probably

946
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.079
the best built AW feud in history and has and

947
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:08.039
has made Storm's career. That's trade. Do you agree or

948
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:09.239
disagree with Dave Meltzer?

949
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:17.239
There best built match storyline wise, longevity wise, with everything

950
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.679
gone on. It's it's really hard to argue that just

951
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.840
because it's been one of the knocks that you and

952
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:26.760
I have had with AW for five years is that

953
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:32.760
sometimes these storylines and and aren't there maybe MJF and Jericho.

954
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.599
I was gonna say that One's funny you brought that.

955
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.559
Up, Yeah, because I was just thinking of MJF.

956
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.760
And the Dinner the musical.

957
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.920
Yeah, but that might that would probably be one, and

958
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.480
then Storm and Mariah maybe too. And it's amazing that

959
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.320
it's Mariah May who a year ago wasn't even in

960
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.559
the company and was hardly ever even heard of outside

961
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.000
of you know, some really diehard indie things.

962
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.159
Yeah, I would say MGFF Jericho one is is mine.

963
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.000
I would say that was number one. I was trying

964
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.159
to rack my brain a little bit.

965
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.039
I think MGF Cody.

966
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:12.119
I think maybe MGF Punk.

967
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.800
Yeah, I mean, okay, so that was really good.

968
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.519
Anything MJF for about a three year period.

969
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:21.159
Well, I think MGF is a WWE kid in an

970
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.280
AW world. I mean, I think he cares about the storylines,

971
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.679
and I think his storylines in its early part of

972
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.400
his AW run there as he built up, were really

973
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.679
really important to his career.

974
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.679
Yeah, mun MGF, Like I still remember Cody taking.

975
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.800
The lashes Yep, Yeah, Cody with the Lashes was good.

976
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.400
Yeah, so those ones like We're really bad. I still

977
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.679
think it's MJF Jericho, maybe MJF Punk.

978
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.639
I think I think Hangman.

979
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.000
And Swerve has a really big chance to and it's

980
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.960
been so short term, but I think that has a

981
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:55.760
chance to be one of the greatest feuds in AW history.

982
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.199
If they didn't really get back to it.

983
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.559
And I think they're gonnat that it's the word. The

984
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.360
word right now is is Swerve Hangman it all out? Yeah,

985
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:06.440
I think they can get there.

986
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.280
I think they do. But once again it's it's do

987
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:11.039
you buy.

988
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.159
I I still have a hard time with Adam Page.

989
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.480
I just he's been so good lately. You even enjoyed

990
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:17.920
the stuff.

991
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.719
It's it's yeah, it's been better. I mean it's what

992
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:23.400
he's done in.

993
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.079
The last year was better than anything he did the

994
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.480
first four years. Like even like the stuff he's done

995
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.760
with Swerve leading up to now was better than his

996
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.920
entire world title run.

997
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.800
M yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think about the The

998
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:45.400
world title run was not that great. Yeah, so I

999
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.440
think the stuff with Swerve is better. I really like

1000
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:50.800
the direction, like because in a storyline sense, people should

1001
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.760
be siding with Hangman Page over Swerve of Strickland. Yet

1002
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.840
everybody is is siding with the villain, Like the villain

1003
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.199
went into his house, put the T shirt on his on,

1004
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.639
Like everybody should be able to relate to that, and

1005
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:04.639
he's like losing his mind about it and can't pay

1006
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.039
any attention. Yet everybody is cheering for Swerve in that instance.

1007
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.760
Yeah, it'd be like when Austin went in a Pillman's house.

1008
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.760
If everybody cheer for pilming comes true, it's true true.

1009
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.360
I would say, going back to Maria May Tony Storm,

1010
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.519
I think it's I think it's top five. I really

1011
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.920
liked well, I don't know if it's top five yet.

1012
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.320
I'm gonna say, is I really like the execution of

1013
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.760
it after she won the Owen and attacked Tony Storm.

1014
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:33.719
I don't think. I feel like it peaked there, and

1015
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:35.679
I think it's been good. The stuff that you've seen

1016
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.840
on Collision, on Dynamite whatever, I think has been good,

1017
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.599
but it hasn't reached the level as it hit when

1018
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.440
Mariah turned on Tony Storm.

1019
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.519
Yeah. I think the only issue we may run into

1020
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:50.360
is the match.

1021
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:52.480
Like, if the match.

1022
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.960
Is good, it will boost it up for us.

1023
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:57.199
If the match is bad, it will pull it down

1024
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.000
because you could have the greatest storyline in the world.

1025
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.440
But if the match is god awful, it will completely,

1026
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.400
you know, disrupt and derail a kind of you know,

1027
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:08.800
good feelings we have.

1028
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:09.760
Towards the storyline.

1029
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.199
So and as much as I love both these women,

1030
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.239
they've had some clunker matches, you know, individually, over their time.

1031
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.960
So I'm just hoping that when you get to All

1032
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.119
In that this match delivers on everything's built up to be.

1033
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.559
That is true, That is very, very true, because that's

1034
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.159
what Hangman and Swerve did in the short term recent

1035
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.320
memory is they delivered on their matches. Final thing I

1036
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.320
want to bring up your doctor, Trey. The location for

1037
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.960
AW All in the twenty twenty five was announced today

1038
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.519
as we record this on Thursday. It will take place

1039
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:47.000
at Globe Life Field in Arlington, Texas, on July twelfth.

1040
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.920
Tony Kahan announced after that that it would return to

1041
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:53.079
Wembley in twenty twenty six for All In London twenty

1042
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:57.480
twenty six. Your thoughts here, as this has been rumored

1043
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:59.079
for a while. I think Sean Ross sap out out

1044
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.920
there for a little bit as well. Your thoughts as

1045
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.679
AW brings All In back to the United States and

1046
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.280
they take over Globe Blyfield where the Texas Rangers play

1047
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:08.239
on July the twelfth.

1048
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:13.119
I love that in a sense, this is AW countering

1049
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.719
what we talked about a couple weeks ago with the

1050
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.840
WW talks for London and Wembley Stadium as well, that

1051
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.800
we felt like that was wwe going to Aw's quote

1052
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.360
unquote backyard because of the history of the con family

1053
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:28.559
with London and potentially putting a WrestleMania them. Well, hey,

1054
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.039
let's go to a place where they had one of

1055
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:35.159
the biggest wrestlemanis, if not the largest crowd at wrestleme history.

1056
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.840
Was it was it Arlington? I'm not sure, but it.

1057
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.760
Was Dallas, right, it was, Well, I guess which is

1058
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.639
in Arlington. It's the Cowboys Stadium.

1059
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.800
Yeah, so we can go there and pull a huge

1060
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.960
crowd in WWE's quote unquote one of their backyards.

1061
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:52.519
It's a shot back at him.

1062
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.199
So to me, this was an announcement to counter program

1063
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:59.159
WWE London talks, which they had talked about.

1064
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:00.639
This was it a couple of months.

1065
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.719
Ago about them working out a deal in Texas and

1066
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:05.639
doing a bunch of shows there for a while.

1067
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:07.880
I mean Texas.

1068
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.199
I mean with the history of World Class Championship Wrestling

1069
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.119
and what a great talent Texas has been for professional wrestling,

1070
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.000
it's good to have another base of operations. I mean,

1071
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.760
we talked about WWE, which, for all intentsive purposes, it

1072
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.719
was a Northeast company for the first thirty forty years

1073
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.880
of existence, but now they've kind of taken over Florida.

1074
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.320
Aw's home office home base is Jacksonville. Hey, I need

1075
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.360
somewhere else I can go where we can draw big crowds,

1076
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:42.760
bring in a bunch of money, and then also have

1077
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.920
a solid talent base to steal from. There's not really

1078
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.639
a much better place than Texas, other than maybe California.

1079
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.280
But California fans are kind of I'm gonna use the

1080
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.000
word again, fickle when it comes to professional wrestling.

1081
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.800
I mean that to that point that you were gonna

1082
00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.000
bring up, and I was going to say too, it's like,

1083
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.920
why aren't they doing a show in the Jaguars Stadium.

1084
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:02.800
Wouldn't that make sense?

1085
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:09.480
It will, it would, But if you stick to your backyard,

1086
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.320
you become like you're I don't know to.

1087
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.360
Me, but there's gonna be like no cost to it.

1088
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.639
I mean, that's a really they're doing that really And

1089
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:18.239
and and we haven't talked about this yet, but I

1090
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.559
think they're doing a really I mean collision these last

1091
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.800
couple of weeks in the Esports Arena. It looks like

1092
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.119
a low rate like show. To me, it does not

1093
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:28.599
look like a normal AW show. And and I understand

1094
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.800
that it's a cost savings move like that would be

1095
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.599
a major cost savings move if they went to the

1096
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:33.920
stadium that they freaking own.

1097
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:36.320
I thought that was one of the things they were

1098
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.719
trying to work out with the people in Texas was, Hey,

1099
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.400
we'll do a bunch of shows here and now.

1100
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.840
There's probably there's there's probably some yeah, well you scratch

1101
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:48.880
our back, we'll scratch yours type stuff going on.

1102
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:50.920
I mean, yeah, if you want to save money, yeah,

1103
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.719
you run one in Jacksonville and fill up.

1104
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:55.920
Was it M and T Stadium I think it is

1105
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:57.639
or whatever whatever the stadium name is.

1106
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.840
No, I think that's Baltimore. I don't know off the

1107
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:02.599
top of my head. I don't know where the Jaguars play.

1108
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.280
I haven't I haven't played Madden in the last three weeks.

1109
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:06.440
I haven't looked up the name.

1110
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:08.519
So I'll look that up in just second.

1111
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.519
It was a huge It would be a huge cost

1112
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:13.480
saving move because you have to pay any kind of

1113
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.800
rent fees or anything like that to use the facility.

1114
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.480
But once again, I think this is kind of their

1115
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.840
way to kind of go, hey, you want to go

1116
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.719
to London and and counter program what we're doing in Wembley. Fine,

1117
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.639
we're gonna go to Arlington and pack out Globe Life

1118
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.199
Stadium even though it's not at and T Stadium. But hey,

1119
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:34.800
if we can put fifty sixty thousand people in Globe

1120
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.280
Life for an ADW show in Texas, Yeah, that's kind

1121
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.760
of a shot that we're we're still we're a big deal,

1122
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:43.800
even though we may people may not think.

1123
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.039
We are as big as we were a year or

1124
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:45.480
two ago.

1125
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.559
For those Jaguar fans that listen to podcasts or Madden

1126
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:50.920
players that were screaming at us over the last minute

1127
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.199
trying to figure it out, it's ever Bank Stadium.

1128
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.320
In Jacksonville, Duval County.

1129
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:59.079
In Duval County, and they reportedly can hold a record

1130
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.800
attens was eighty five, thy four and thirteen for Florida

1131
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.880
State Alabama Crimson Tide game in two thousand and seven.

1132
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.559
So obviously that fans aren't on the field for that,

1133
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:09.440
so it goes to show you that maybe they could

1134
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:10.360
fit a little bit more.

1135
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:11.599
So.

1136
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:17.320
Yeah, interesting that that's that's not on the table. I

1137
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.079
be intrigued right now what the attendance numbers are for

1138
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.760
Globe Life. I just I don't know. I think a

1139
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.360
lot has to continue forward progressively in a positive manner

1140
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.960
for AW, for them to have strong numbers once they

1141
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:37.360
go to a Global Life Stadium next year in Arlington, Texas.

1142
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.360
But huge move for AW, and that will be We're

1143
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:43.039
all in is in twenty twenty five, and I think

1144
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.000
it's we talked about a couple of weeks ago. It's

1145
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.000
certainly got to feel that this is their WrestleMania based

1146
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.159
on how they handle booking the show, locations of the show,

1147
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:55.599
and overall like hype around it. So it appears they

1148
00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.400
have finally landed on a WrestleMania for AAW. That said,

1149
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.400
Doctor Trey, let's get a couple plugs and sposor out

1150
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:03.800
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1151
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.760
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00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:08.840
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00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.519
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00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.760
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00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.400
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00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.840
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1157
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:22.159
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1158
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:23.719
is going on in the one Ful World of Doctor

1159
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:24.960
Tref Franklin this week.

1160
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.360
Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on x

1161
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:29.880
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1162
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.840
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1163
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.079
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1164
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:39.079
big show coming up this Saturday as we get closer

1165
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.639
and closer to the seventy year.

1166
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.559
Anniversary, eight year anniversary of Rocket City coming up this December,

1167
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.239
so getting really excited about that, and hopefully I'll be

1168
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.599
ablect to make my return to Rocket City this Saturday

1169
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:55.199
because I am out of my walking boot finally, so

1170
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:56.639
I might be able to make it up to the

1171
00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.320
show and get back into the swing of things and

1172
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.760
hopefully at some point turn heel because I.

1173
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.320
Have been a good guy for far too long. Jeff Pack,

1174
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.920
it's hard being nice, geez.

1175
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.239
That is what Dan Housen used to say back in

1176
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:16.360
the day. With that said, thank you once again for

1177
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.679
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1178
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.840
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1179
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.760
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1180
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.920
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1181
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.000
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1182
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.039
will preview and predict everything to get you ready for

1183
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.639
aw all in and everything else that's going on in

1184
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:36.880
the world of professional wrestling. Have a good weekend, Thank

1185
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:39.559
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1186
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:43.159
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1187
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