Inside WWE’s Shocking Releases & Talent Pay Cut Reports | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #847 – 5/7/26

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It's still real to be damaged!

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What now?

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Boo!

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Welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's edition of the Sto Roller Show, episode number 847 for May 7, 2026.

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Welcome to this week's edition of SRTU.

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I am one after-show, I am Jeff Pack, joined every single week by host of Only Dr. Trey Franklin.

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Dr. Trey, are you ready for some backlash, my friend?

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Oh, I thought you were going to tell me I had to take a fake cut.

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But yeah, backlash!

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Yeah, actual wrestling talk?

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For- yeah, I'm excited about that.

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I thought you were telling me I got to take a 50% fake cut to stay on the show.

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No, no, no, I'm not there yet, but we do have a meeting after the call here to discuss some stuff.

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But also, if that may be for next week's show, if you're willing to take the fake cut.

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Yeah, we've got WWE backlash this weekend.

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We've got a lot of stuff going on the world of professional wrestling, most notably,

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effects on people's paychecks, which we all can relate to at one time or another, I'm sure.

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Yeah, before we jump into this Dr. Trey, it's kind of like already out there already,

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but I remember seeing this clip like, "God, years ago now it felt like,"

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but now it's like actually picking up some mainstream steam.

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Do you remember, or have you seen the social media clip that's gone viral every time backlash comes around

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where it's a bunch of wrestlers, it's like Snitsky, John Cena, Edged Triple H, and they're just saying, "at backlash."

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Yeah, it's weird you mentioned that because I actually just came across that video.

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I think it was Monday or Tuesday, and I saw it, and I was like, "Oh dear God, I have tried to forget this."

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And the fact that it's still in my memory banks makes me sad.

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It's kind of like when we hear the American male steam song, like, "Oh God, this is atrocious,

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but then it gets stuck in your head for a day or two, and you can't hear it in a minute."

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Yeah, it's now every time that I hear them say, "at backlash," it just sticks in me for some reason.

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And the only other PLE where I have this problem is when Vic Joseph constantly repeats, "at stand and deliver,"

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because it doesn't sound smooth to me.

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It's so odd, but this reminds me of the "at backlash," and we just experienced that because of "stand and deliver last month."

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But it's funny that they're like kind of acknowledging it now for the first time ever I could remember.

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I thought it was something that just wrestling fans made fun of.

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Yeah, we've talked about this.

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There's a lot of really either really bad pay-per-view names, PLE names, or commercials that have come up over the course of the history of this show,

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and also wrestling history in general.

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That one, it was just such a cheesy... I don't even know what to compare it to, Jeff.

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I don't know where they got their inspiration from, but it does kind of remind me of a cheesy horror movie or a telenovela.

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It was just so bad.

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But sometimes those things, they're so bad that you actually find joy in them at some point.

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And this is a pay-per-view that's been around for a long time now. I think this is like late 90s, isn't it? Backlash?

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Yeah, like late 90s, but although I am happy if you remember a few years ago...

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1999.

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It was... remember it was "Restal Mania Backlash" briefly.

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And that was really awful. So Lee stayed taking the "Restal Mania" part of it, because I'm pretty sure at "Restal Mania Backlash" we really didn't have that many "Restal Mania" backlash.

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No, I think there was only one. Let me see here.

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Is it just one? Let's say, events started in 1999, "Restal Mania Backlash" two years, 21 and 22, Dr. Trey.

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Ah, right.

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Once again, something that's so bad, you just try to block it from your memory banks.

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Because I remember the fun part was the first year was people were still calling it just Backlash and you had to hear Michael Cole correct them.

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It was like, "Oh yeah, Backlash, you mean "Restal Mania Backlash" it's like, "What?"

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Yeah, okay, sure, the "Restal Mania Backlash" like, yeah.

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It was like so foreign, even for like the wrestlers to remember that they had to change the phrasing of it. It was just mind-know.

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What comes to mind when you think of Backlash? Because I'm curious to what sticks out to your head, because I have something that's, I have two things that stick out to me.

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And one is not, it's actually part of the stage to give it away, basically.

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I think one of the first ones wasn't the, was it like, did they have like the swinging?

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Yes. The swinging swords.

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Yes, like, I remember that.

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That's what I was going to bring out.

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Outside of that, honestly, I can't think of a single Backlash memory.

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So, the swords is one. The other for me is when the rock took on Goldberg after "Restal Mania 19."

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I remember that, and I remember, oh, I guess one more. Triple H, dropping the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship to Hulk Hogan.

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Like, he had just wanted at "Restal Mania 18." Hogan went back to the Red and Yellow, and they decided to put the title back on Hogan. I believe that was out of Backlash.

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Wasn't there a Cena-Mismorison Backlash match?

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Or is that, am I--

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Rob with the "Memory Elves."

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It was right when he went into like Marine Soldier gimmick.

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I'm absolutely out of Doctor Thugin now. I can't remember if that was like, "Oh, fine."

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I will say the French Backlash, the one in France, is as memorable one as well, because that may be one of the greatest crowds of all time.

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And even the Puerto Rican one that they did was awesome. In Puerto Rico.

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Yeah. Even the Puerto Rican one. That could not be turned into a derogatory racist line. Even the Puerto Rican one wasn't that bad.

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Oh god, don't take that stuff out of context here, folks. That's the issue that we have nowadays.

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Anyway, we will preview and predict WWE Backlash in Tampa towards the end of the show.

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Dr. Trey, you alluded to it. There was a news dump on Saturday morning. Midday Saturday, I'm looking on my phone, checking out X,

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and I see that the WWE has released. Kofi Kingston, Xavier Woods of the New Day, Tungaloa and Chacey Mateo of the MFTs.

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Initial thoughts here. The Tungaloa, Chacey Mateo was not surprising. I've enjoyed their work in New Japan. They did not get a good run in WWE.

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Tungaloa is not the same roster as he was in New Japan. I think he's dealing with some knee issues. He's been extremely hampered in matches. In general, they barely use him.

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There's been some stuff about his injuries that I think Meltzer has reported on.

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J.C. Mateo never seemed comfortable in the role that was given to him at the MFTs. I think he is someone that would have benefited just being Jeff Cobb in NXT for a little bit and get a run there.

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I think he would have been an NXT champion and would have been successful. I think he would have had a successful run on the main roster. I think he was given bad creative.

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The Kofi Kingston Xavier Woods stuff, they will probably go down as one of the top three or five WWE tag teams of all time. Maybe in some people's list, maybe one of the top 10 to five tag teams of all time.

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Longest reigning until the Usos did that. They had a great 10-year run. Kofi Kingston has been in WWE for what feels like since I was in high school.

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But it's actually a couple years after that. One of, if not the most longest 10-year dresser outside of Randy Orton, was Kofi Kingston.

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I was just sad for them. It's not surprising in the sense of creative because the creative for them has not been good.

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They always turn creative shit into creative chicken salad for lack of better terms and always were successful, hence their entire gimmick was built on that.

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But the run that they've been on really since last year's WrestleMania was nothing that you can really hone in on as interesting and entertaining.

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That's them. They still made it entertaining. The stuff with Grace and Waller definitely had opportunities to be successful. But overall, I was not surprised by it. The second part of the story, which will start a grander discussion on this, is what was their contract situation.

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And certainly the most intriguing of this. But Dr. Trey, that Saturday news dump, the new day, Kofi Kingston Xavier Woods, Tongalo and J.C. Mateo being released by WWE, your thoughts on the most recent updates of the WWE roster.

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Yeah, I actually got an alert that they have been moved to the alumni section and I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. And I had to actually go look for myself because sometimes we get news and we got to verify it.

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I hadn't seen on any of my sites I go to and then sure enough, it was like 15 minutes later, it got confirmed.

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So like you said, J.C. Mateo never look comfortable. Like one thing WWE drives me nuts with is that some talent they bring in goes right to the main roster, some rod. And then some go to NXT. And I'm like, I kind of feel like everybody needs to go to NXT just to get used to the ring, the production, all of that stuff.

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Before going to the main roster, he would have been much better service just being Jeff Cobb or the J.C. Mateo just never sounded right.

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He never looked like he fit in with the MFTs. So just overall just a very disappointing experience for him.

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He never looked like he just never since he came over just never looked like the Tongue Lo. We saw in New Japan, he never looked like the Tongue Lo. We saw in, you know, Gorilla Desi. Hell, he never looked like Hunaco or Camacho.

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He never looked right and then evenly at the eye patch really like it was just a bad situation for whether it's the injuries or just couldn't connect right.

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I also still blame the names because between Tongue Lo and Tongue and Tongue, it's a lot of Tongue and you lose track of who's who.

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So just disappointing for both those guys. The new day one was really surprising. And 11 is the whole like I thought those guys would be lifers.

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I mean hell, Xavier Woods is so ingrained in WWE nowadays like he's featured in GM mode in all the WWE games.

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Co-Fee is such, you know, between, you know, the Jamaican gimmick, the Randy Orton stuff all the way through Co-Fee media, the sheer number of title runs.

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Like you're just like, how could you let this man walk out the door? And you know, I saw that and it just, it made me really, really sad because those are two of the nicest guys in professional wrestling.

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But, you know, from the reports, like, you know, they were asking a pay cut. They didn't want to get paid cut. So they came to an amicable split. But that does mean we might be able to finally get young bucks and I'd say new day, but you can't use that name.

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So, uh, fresh your 24 hour point of view. I don't know what you want to recall.

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I know a lot of people are putting out there. I think I saw the new error, which I thought was pretty, pretty interesting. And I think it would be some sort of play on words for sure what type of gimmick they provide out outside of WWE will be very interesting.

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I mean, Austin Creed, Govacanston, like they're just extremely fun, entertaining, likeable human beings that whatever they do from here, they're going to be successful.

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I don't think that this is the last time that they're in WWE. You know, they are first ballot WWE Hall of Famers. I certainly hope they haven't wrestled their last match. I think they're the type of talents that deserved the opportunity to to say farewell and have a farewell run a little bit.

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Like they did to John Moxley on his way out the doors, Dean Ambrose almost. There was a story out there that WWE and the new day had crafted like a joint message that they were going to post when this release happened and never never happened for whatever reason.

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So, it's disappointing, not surprising. And that's kind of the vibe with all these releases. It's it's disappointing. I mean, these are four very talented people that it's just at least for two of them in Tonga Lohan, JC Mateo.

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And I didn't feel like WWE was the right environment for them to be successful. And in sets of Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods, it just feels like maybe from their career standpoint that they they needed to change. They needed a new day to to basically, you know, revitalize and refresh their careers a little bit because they've been stagnant.

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They had opportunities to have really good creative and I don't think it's anything that's their fault. That just the investments in the WWE tag teams is not where it should be on the men's side especially. And I think Dr. Trey, I thought a lot about what you said last week that I think that the the potion for WWE tag teams is basically taking two singles wrestlers that aren't working out in the singles roster right now.

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They need some TV time and making them a tag team. I think that's the special sauce that WWE is going to run with. The folks that are these tag teams are not going to be for long in WWE unless like you're the street profits or maybe even fraxiom.

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It's it's just going to be two singles guys like Damien, Priests and Art Truth are basically how they make the women's division tag team division survive and they've been very successful with that approach.

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So all around just disappointing, but I think the part about this entire thing is is the story of all Dr. Trey. It let us down this path that has gone on since the release since that Saturday and up until you and I record this here on Thursday afternoon is the WWE talent that have been reportedly asked to take massive pay cuts.

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So it came out that Xavier Woods and Kofi Kingston who were making well into the seven figures were asked to take a pay cut. They denied take or did not want to take a pay cut which led to the release from the company, which is is basically what wrestlers are being offered right now.

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So according reports, fight full select is reporting that WWE reportedly approached several wrestlers on the same day as the talent releases.

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So the ones from the Friday prior so two weeks ago to take pay cuts in order to stay with the company according reports some talent were given two days to make a decision.

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Body slam.net is reporting another report claims TKO is reevaluing contracts based on what they see as a wrestlers production value compared to their salary with the company also reportedly focused on maximizing revenue while still carrying debt tied to endeavors past business dealings.

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Fight full select reports that sources within wrestling and talent agencies reportedly vet the latest this latest round of cuts and pay reduction requests can have a major impact on future contract negotiations with less confidence from talent that long term WWE deals will actually be honored for their full duration.

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And then finally here Dr. Trey will take a pause here and discuss this story because there are still some more news and notes here financially TKO reported 1.597 billion in revenue and 249.8 million in net income for the first quarter of 2026 while WWE reportedly generated 475.7 million in revenue during that same period.

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Dr. Trey this is not a good news story for TKO this is not a good news story for WWE for a company that's been touting all their success their financial success their attended success breaking record you know record gates and all this stuff why are we asking the wrestlers to take a pay cut again.

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Yeah it's not a good looking and to be fair I could understand a partial pay cut I mean a little bit but 50% I mean you're completely disrupting people's lives at that rate if somebody's like hey 10% 15% because once you know a lot of these contracts were negotiated before they ended live events so these guys went from you know performing 200 nights a year down.

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40 nights a year so with with less production you know I can understand a partial pay cut but just the severity of what is being reported to me if you're asking somebody take a 50% pay cut you're basically telling them like we want you to lead like we have nothing really for you to kind of offset what we view as you know non productive services so you know you're telling like you know most

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companies you know they want to keep their labor costs around 25% well if you made 470 million then you want your payroll to be around you know 100 and if you have 80 wrestlers on the roster and everybody averages a million dollars a year which you know NXT versus Roman Reigns salary you're right around that mark so I can understand why they're doing it because they're trying to be as

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prolific and as much of a profit as they can do and keep everything lean but when you have someone who's been a long tenured employee and you just go yeah 50% or you know we can just go and our and our affiliation now that just to be screams we have nothing for you and we're just trying to come up with excuse for you to lead.

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And the stuff that you've seen on television makes sense of that create reproach to doctor trade I mean the new day really haven't been prominently featured even though there was a start to see this co feet Kingston java and Evan storyline that was playing out that I found interesting wanted to make a member of the new day grace on like it Xavier woods was out on injury.

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And there was something there that also just kind of abruptly stopped and now we know why but yeah just very strange so some more to the story reports also suggest that t k a push w creative to make roster cuts to the smack down moving back to a two hour format at the end of this month along with the recent wave of n a c callups creating a crowded roster situation according to Dave Meltzer w reportedly made fewer cuts last year following the endeavor or take over because the company wanted to avoid backlash early on but this is a lot of work.

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Early on but this latest wave was viewed internally as a catch up round of releases melts are also reported that w creative was specifically asked to identify talent that we're not planning they were not planning to use regularly with additional cuts reportedly tied directly to smack down losing an hour of television time and therefore having fewer spots available on weekly programming.

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It's just it's all around frustrating dr. Trey I get it I think nowadays you know a w we can't keep everybody on the roster it's a business and I think for some of these wrestlers that were released over the last several weeks that the you know they'll be more successful outside of w then they will be inside w even though they may not have the steady paycheck and support like they previously did.

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Yeah I mean you know JC Mateo Tonga law if Tonga is healthy I mean they can easily go back to New Japan you know cofee is a here I mean a w can open up you know the the the fault for those guys even if it's on a short term one year deal or something just it just so because there's so many dream match tag team scenarios you can do with cofee and Xavier I mean we can see cofee Xavier not not only gets the young box we can see

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cofee Xavier against edge and Christian I mean that's I mean if you go back to that the when the new day was founded a lot of that was on that storyline they did with edge as well we never got the match because edge was you know medically unable to compete now we can finally get that match so I'm excited for their future.

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But like you said earlier I also don't think this is their last w w appearance I kind of expect real wrestle made two years from now you ever it was the new day that introduced the hardies that huge pop at WrestleMania how cool would it be is he that come full circle you know two years from now.

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Absolutely that would be cool and it's just there's just some people that feel like WWE lifers and they feel like WWE lifers or even when they're not with the company more they're still waving the flag a little bit you know part of me still feels that way about the hearties even though that they're in TNA I just feel like that they're more WWE guys than AW guys when they have that run and you know there more sports entertainment than what AW puts on television but yeah I think they'll go to AW I think it'll be around the world.

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I think it'll be around the time the way things line up for like all in in London they'll get a massive pop and they'll rejuvenate their careers and we'll get some stuff that we never got a chance to see like seeing them wrestle the young bucks in all eat wrestling so yeah they needed a they needed they needed to change honestly I mean just to sit there and just collect a paycheck and not really be used I don't think that's their type of thing cofian Xavier so so damn talented and entertaining that they did they needed to go somewhere where you know they're talented.

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We're going to be utilizing I think that the most likely part is a w so there you go the talent cuts again who knows I mean we've got now back to back weeks talk about talent cuts maybe we'll have more talent cuts that will be discussed on next week show odd odd times for WWE they're setting record revenue rates at WrestleMania gates and all that stuff and here we are cutting people due to revenue yet all the executives are getting massive bonuses it's the American way doctor try right we all can relate to that even even though we're not so good.

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Even though we're not severed figure professional wrestlers like the folks in WWE are sick and now we're switching gears to some storyline stuff on the Smackdown this past Friday doctor try we saw Cody Rhodes wrestling the Smackdown debuting Ricky Saints in one of the matches halfway through the show gunther attacks Cody Rhodes and Gunther is going to speak on Friday's edition of Smackdown earlier that night it was something less some eagle eye fans caught you could see Paul Haming in the back right now.

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Paul Haming in the background talking with with Nick all this who knows how that ties in if that's the favor from Paul Haming but it appears now that Gunther and Cody Rhodes is going to be a feud for a little bit and on last week show we talked about that the reports were saying that Gunther was in line to be taking on Roman Reigns for a little bit coming out at some point over these next several months which was exciting because I've always wanted to see a Roman Reigns Gunther feud given that there's two characters but here we are Cody Rhodes Gunther which is I think a dream feud.

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I don't know about any reporting that's out there I tend to think that this is could be in reaction to one Cody's injury and two Randy Orton was reportedly banged up coming into WrestleMania and he may be taking some time off the initial thought was going to be Cody and Jelly Roll taking on Pat McAfee and Randy Orton at Backlash Tampa that matches obviously not happening as McAfee and Jelly Roll were like we're out.

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McAfee says he won't be turning the wrestling anytime soon which I highly doubt but here we are I mean this is a nice little pivot I know you probably felt this way I certainly felt this way Dr. Trey a little bit odd because Gunther is a raw wrestler and he's attacking the Smackdown Champion but we know how brand extensions have gone individually for over the last 20 plus years but this is a main event storyline with huge potential Dr. Trey are you excited to see Gunther and Cody Rhodes finally do battle.

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Yeah I mean we've seen it teased you know at the Royal Rumble we saw it at what clash was it a night of champions two years ago so they've toyed around with it but they finally see it come to fruition.

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It's good because I mean the styles make matches and on the raw brand you got two guys with different styles between Jacob Fletz you ain't both Jacob and Roman both powerhouses but you know Jacob's much more speed and power Romans with a more power and technical and then on the Smackdown side getting the technical and brute force that is Gunther with the speed and agility as Cody Rhodes that's going to be a really compelling and those are some really compelling matchups.

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I was jug with a friend of mine I said did we have the WWE draft and nobody told us because you see Jacob go from Smackdown to Raw Gunther goes from Raw to Smackdown the profits show up on Raw I'm like usually we have the draft around the NFL draft season maybe they had it and just didn't tell us.

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I don't know but because I'm a big proponent you know this I love brand extensions I love brand you know okay you're a raw guy you're a Smackdown guy because then when the crossovers happen it's much more impactful and everybody goes back and forth Willie Nilly it kind of loses that bluster so to speak.

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No I agree with you and if you're going to do this type of stuff if you're going to have Jacob Fletz show up on Raw if you're going to have Gunther show up on Smackdown Fletz a Smackdown guy Gunther Raw guy make it make sense that's my biggest gripe with any creative whether it be WWE AW TNA New Japan wherever is just make it make sense make it make sense where you say Adam Pierce and Nick all this made a trade where Jacob Fletz has been sent to Raw Gunther has been sent to Smackdown that's all I'm asking for it just to randomly pop up you know sometimes they

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explain it like they had that weird thing for a period of time like four or five years ago where they like that brand window where free people let any time could come over any month and that was it was like maximum free and that was it and you couldn't come every like it was some sort of odd way to explain it just to get people on other shows it's it's again it's either that or you just tear it all down right I mean that's it yeah I mean don't forget we just had the oboe feme free

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agents they I know like right before WrestleMania has like he never officially signed right yeah and like you got both brands competing for them but they would come out of WrestleMania and the brands are just like oh if you want to go that's fine if you want to

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like I like consistency in my storytelling and that every year after WrestleMania if there's not the draft we get a little bit this shuffle and guys like you me go but I thought he was a Smackdown guy I thought he was a raw guy and they have

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explained why he's there maybe Gunther being the ring general he is will explain on Friday night how he was able to come over to Smackdown and maybe answer those questions so you and I won't be complaining about it.

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Oh yeah I mean I hopefully that is addressed but yeah I mean to me if you look at the Triple H booking philosophy from 2022 when he first got on I think around that time frame to about

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2024 everything they did creatively made sense and then his time has gone on they've gone back to the old ways of Vince McMahon where they don't feel like they need to address the small items and that's what I appreciate it as someone that was if you were at home is when you

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do address the small items I don't like my intelligence being insulted because then at least podcasts like us to go well how come it did oboe feme ever sign with raw I don't remember that do you

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remember that maybe it happened I don't know now like it should make sense and you should clear up and and you have all this time nowadays with programming in general but you have now a social media

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window if you don't want to address it on your shows address it on social media Instagram TikTok Facebook whatever YouTube just make it make sense and the attention of detail with the creative as

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of late has been disappointing it's been going off for some time so much so that there's people that are like fully believe that fits with man is back with the company like that's how insane it is like if I was in the creative team and that conspiracy theory is not true I would feel insulted like guys we are doing such a shitty job by not a pay

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attention to detail so much so that they think the old boss is back because he didn't pay attention to detail let's let's make that a part of a segment on unreal like do an entire

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episode were creative is like what the fuck happened to us and that's just the title of it that's the title the episode what the fuck happened to us in

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parentheses they think Vince back Vince is back so there you go got for Cody Rhodes he will explain his actions on this Friday's

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edition of Smackdown got her as to why he attacked Cody Rhodes Dr. true Dr. Trace some sad news yesterday we found out that former WCW owner creator of TNT TBS

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owner of the Atlanta Braves in the 90s one Ted Turner passed away he had been battling some diseases over the last like six to seven years I want to say and you know he

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owned WCW was airing professional wrestling on his networks on a national standpoint for for about 15 years so when he was involved you know the A.E. W. Run he

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sold the business at that point was not involved was a big wrestling fan or rasslin as he would say billionaire Ted as we know AW pay tribute to him on Wednesday nights show with Tony

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Shivani and sting coming out there and saying some very nice words folks that were you know the faces of professional wrestling under the Ted Turner banner the one

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that stuff I did not like it was like giving props to Tony Khan during all that I think that could have been shelved I I would imagine the Tony Khan did not approve those those lines to be honest I don't think he said

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guys go out there and then also show me love when you pay tribute to Ted Turner so if there's any qualms on that I would certainly say that is one of them but major

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in fact a professional wrestling doctor try I mean from 96 to 2000 W. W. Was a predominant force and help change the wrestling landscape forever he gave a lot of wrestlers like sting a platform to showcase their skills like Rick Flair you have always been more the southern guy of professional

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I'm the more northern kid with with the W. F. Roots your thoughts when you when you heard the news about Ted Turner's passing on Wednesday

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Yeah I heard about pulling into work yesterday kind of it is shake me as like as much as like you know dusty roads Roddy Piper when those guys pass but you know I don't know what you but every time I hear Ted Turner I think of the

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Vince McMahon story of when Ted Turner called Vince to tell him he bought Jim Krocke promotions and he's like a Vince I'm in the pro wrestling business he was like that's great Ted I've been the sports entertainment business but they always

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oversold the southern accent so much like Ted Ted had an accent but it wasn't that heavy but I mean the guy just did so much for you know not just I mean I mean brought

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into life you own the braves you only Atlanta Hawks for a while like and then you know buying out Jim Krocke promotions and putting WCW on TVS

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and giving the TNT platform and all the things he did to kind of bring wrestling up especially in the south because you know growing up in the early 80s in your

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NWA fan or mid south fan or Florida Championship wrestling is like it was so regionalized compared to what WF was doing and then to get it on that platform and get it out there for people to see you know that it created such a boom in pro wrestling to the likes of you know may never be duplicate and I'm with you about you

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Wednesday night like having seen other time on 10 was great but yeah the little bit of like it's really great working for another billionaire owner who's all in I'm like all right this this is not the like you know Tony con jerk off session here like we're talking about Ted Turner like Tony

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cotton is in his props right now but overall I thought it was really well done I thought it was a nice homage to Ted Turner and I'm going to be interested like if WWE does anything Friday night on Smackdown to honor you know what was once Mrs. Greatest rival.

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I mean we're sitting here making fun of me W but at least they pay tribute to him I was shocked that we did not put anything out on Wednesday maybe they're saving it for Friday Smackdown I don't think it should not go unnoticed I know Ted Turner wanted to put you know WWE out of business but they welcomed Eric

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Bishop back with open arms and he was one of the driving forces and I know that Vince and Ted Turner certainly had a feud with one another but you cannot forget the impact that Ted Turner had on professional wrestling I can only imagine you know God for Vince Vince McMahon dies we would have the same exact thoughts of eight of you did not acknowledge Vince

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Vince McMahon's last and impacted professional wrestling so we remember Ted Turner there it's funny because I look at it two ways I'm sure you're the same way Dr. Trey I remember him is obviously is the WCW owner and then the owner of the Atlanta Braves in a period of time that I was not a fan of the Atlanta Braves whatsoever so yeah he had his hands on a lot of different things that were a part of Americana in the late 80s throughout the 90s whether it be the Braves WCW or TNT and TBS as network stations I know there's a lot of people

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out there that are like I wonder if his funeral be held at 11.05 a.m. Eastern it's like a good.

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6.05. It's going to be 6.05 Saturday on the mothership 6.05 on the mothership God I wish they brought that stuff back so there you go rest in peace Ted Turner we send our thoughts and prayers also out to all of his family and friends and fans switching over to a W here Dr. Trey MJ

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F.R.S. Darby Allen is getting personal we've heard Darby Allen over the last several weeks say that he wants MJ have to put something that means something to him on the line you and I spit ball about this last week I remember talking about the diamond I diamond ring which I think is what you and I narrowed down to I don't think we discussed MJ F's hair but it looks like it's title versus hair incoming here they will they will sign the contract barring Darby Allen's ability to beat defeat Pock

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on collision this Saturday where they'll be doing fair way to heaven and then if he's able to defeat Okada on Wednesday's dynamite it will be MJ F and Darby Allen presumably at double or nothing with MJ F's hair on the line all I could think of when this match was announced Dr. Trey was either two things

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MJ F has to go in for another hair procedure one and ask the shave his head or two he has a movie role coming up and that's why they're doing it but I like this little twists I like this little twist here I love that MJ F is making a big deal about his hair walks off storms off doesn't say anything looks completely rattled and it's funny but it makes sense I like the twist here by the way can I say that I love the name fair way to heaven I love that one

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that's that yeah it's it I really thought I saw that I was like that's clever the only thing I don't like about it is you know Darby and Okada should be a big time match right in in I would think that like that should be like boom and it kind of feels like with this stipulation being thrown in you're kind of just going yeah Darby's wrestling Okada but it's you know

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you know Kada's not winning like you're kind of going you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot when you do stuff like this at least make it what what do they call those matches like moxie just have one with juice what do they call like this

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the elevator yeah the elevator yeah like okay let's have Okada and Darby and the elevator match in Okada wins he gets to face the champion after double or nothing you know in that way you can kind of build it up a little bit

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I thought the hair stipulation was funny because if you would say hey what what things about MJ F really stand out his hair would have been like fifth on the list

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I don't think of I don't think of MJ F as a hair guy I've definitely noticed the change yeah like he's got it now he's going to start going to like the old school Jericho hair Christian hair with the big pompa door look to it and then I immediately thought of a

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Kurt angle with the wig in the in the head gear Josh Alex Josh Alexander works there so I'm sure he's got some spare headgear so we can do MJ F as Kurt angle with the wig in the headgear if he wanted to

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but it's a nice twist on the situations a nice thing to do to kind of I mean everybody like if you're a bad guy everybody wants to see you humiliated you know Vince got his head shaved you know like it's it's a cool thing it's very very throwback to have the hair on the line

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so like if that's the route they go that's that's awesome and I'm really excited to see MJ F is head shaved and maybe they just do the back part where the Yamaha goes I don't know who knows who knows so there you go MJ F title versus hair

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potentially incoming we'll find out more on Wednesdays dynamite obviously again barring Darby's title offense with Pock and Okada over the next less than 10 to seven days

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and I was storyline that is really picking my interest in its coming from all the rest in Dr. Trey is the will osprey and death writers working together storyline the death writers after you know laying out will osprey putting them on the shelf having will osprey

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try to once he came back avenged the neck injury from the death writers they've taken the approach of trying to turn him into the ultimate weapon or at least John Moxley is even though he's not a member of the death writers he's working together with them and training with them you've got the baby face in the heel group

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is this wrestling's most compelling storyline right now

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it's interesting because there's a lot of different layers on it like if you go back just a camera with the paper view that had omega and MJ F

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we saw that backstage saving because both omega and osprey lost and they had that like little like feel good moment backstage so you have that layer on here of omega of osprey trying to get to the top of the mountain

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you have moxley who's basically almost like a cult leader in a lot of ways and then you factor in apparently also the Samoa Joe ops angle into this as well so there's some really cool layers to it

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and then even in new Japan like cattle Newman called out osprey for being in the death rye like use it as an insult against osprey so there's multiple layers on so it's really good storytelling I'm just waiting to see how deep it goes

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and if it's not just one of those like oh I just infiltrated groups to take it out from within or if it's actually something comes of it where hey maybe will osprey does become the ultimate weapon

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and it becomes so good that you know the death writers end up kicking moxley out or something like that

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yeah yeah there's a lot of layers to it the op stuff is interesting because you did not see that coming I will say that pop like being cautiously optimistic and anytime you see any camera shots of him or even up close

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he's basically watching the entire situation play out and you can just tell he's not completely sold on it like everyone else is like has that scale

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except he had that weird smile a couple weeks ago he was wearing the white jacket it was almost like that Paul London this big man walking down the corridor before the limo exploded look on his face

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it was like this weird like cheesy grin like it was just it was very I didn't recognize him because I'm not using pot smile I was like who the hell is that guy holding his jacket like he's Colonel Sanders

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and this one goes oh no that was pop and I'm like no so I had to go back and double watch it because it was just so weird to see pop kind of like just smiling and going along with you know mox bringing osprey into the training area

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yeah it's something that you didn't see coming and there's a lot you know you brought up the stuff with new Japan

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and his group over there column newmen the ops the stuff internally with the the death writers there's a lot of great compelling stuff that's coming from this I will say the one thing I don't like Dr.

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Train this has been going on really since moxley drop the world title is I don't love that moxley's characters become more human since dropping the championship

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I love the mystique that he had when the death writer started he's he's like he's being himself but he's like he's likable he's borderline baby face when he you know is on the microphone for commentating and and all that stuff

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and for a guy who's not necessarily the best talker in the world or one where you just kind of get lost and what are you saying and going like what the fuck is moxley talking about he actually does a pretty damn good job on commentating

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that's like the one thing like he's getting very excited that ospreys there like he loves it and then it's just yeah there's a lot of different layers to it and I'm very very intrigued and I hope it's one that really is a slow burn and it plays out well and it leads to some really good success for Will Osprey

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I often wonder with a lot of guys like Will Osprey if if it's if it's time to do the Jericho thing where you change your character up a little bit and that would be the window to it is kind of making him like this death weapon

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that is Will Osprey because he obviously has the ability to be an AW world champion in the face of the company they just haven't executed yet whether it be injuries or or otherwise I've always been shocked that at this point he still has not won the championship

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but here we are I think it's the most compelling storyline and wrestling right now and it's Will Osprey and the death writers and it sits in a W and everything AW is doing right now here we are made the seventh since January 1 to May 7th the best wrestling promotion in the United States if not in the world has been all the wrestling

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very entertaining and enjoyable to watch on so many different levels creatively in ring wise and they don't have bad press like just cutting talent after record revenue gates because because why not so there you go

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Dr. Trey going to say they just don't call them when they get cut no they just let them sit on the shelf which I do not agree with

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yeah they just go so they don't want to have that confrontation that they're letting somebody go they just go all your contracts up yeah we could go for you maybe going to WWE yeah we're going to put you in the

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shelf like we could do an entire episode on looking at the AW roster and me going do you think that they're still with the company or not and then you being like you be shocked if they're still with the company

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like I saw butcher in the blade of doing independent wrestling I'm like shit I forgot that those guys were like original straight AW

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I saw Brit Baker the NFL draft that one I don't get I don't know if there's a health issue there I don't know if she is on her way to WWE I mean how do you that to me is a that is if we want to do a special

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episode like we're getting out of here for vacation time that is one I want to pick apart because I don't get it because she was the homegrown face of the

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AW women's division and she is nowhere to be found and I know she had the stroke and all that stuff that came back had the feud with Mercedes Monae and there's been a lot of stuff about how that went odd odd which

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I do want to make mention here and this is one that I'm surprised has come out on social media there was some really really sad news since I think the last time record

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a doctor try speaking of Dr. Brit Baker rebel not reba in in a w rebel in TNA diagnosed with terminal ALS heart breaking you watch the video I mean she is six or seven years old than me I think she's around your age Dr.

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I mean that is that's not a long life that's awful my heart breaks for her and I think it's I hope it's one of those moments that is professional wrestling as a whole they can come together and try to do something special for her we haven't seen that come out quite yet maybe she doesn't want it but boy oh boy man that was heart breaking and watching here

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yeah I mean and I've met her a couple times she did one of our shows that was up in a Tennessee she was she came down for wrestling con I think was two seven years ago so yeah and just a sweet heart of a woman and just incredibly beautiful so just so crushing to hear that news because like yeah like although she hasn't done a lot in wrestling the last few years

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because of her health and everything else just you never want to see something like that happen to somebody so you know it's just it's heart wrenching no it's terrible so yeah I mean heart breaking absolutely heart breaking no better way to segue here Dr. try to but to wrap up with this week's edition the show by covering WWE backlash preview and predictions comes to us this Saturday from benchmark international arena from Tampa in Tampa Florida two matches will be in the

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two matches will be on ESPN 2 I believe that is Seth wrongs of Brown breaker and trick Williams and Sammy Zane let's get to it here Dr. trail let's start with one of the first matches that will air on ESPN 2 Seth wrongs versus

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Baker you and I are both at 12 and 9 on the year I guess I'll go first here I'm going to take Braun breaker to win this one yeah I'm taking Braun also you got the vision involved this whole thing we got you know at some point

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of bronzing reasonably back here before long also so I'm taking Braun breaker just because I feel like he has the numbers advantage trick Williams defense the United States championship against Sammy Zane Dr.

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trail who do you like in this one I'm going with trick I think I think is Sammy's heel turn fully complete if they have they completely done the double turn or we still edging that way because I I

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little yoddy cut a baby face promo so I'm taking trick and hoping that we get full blown conspiracy theory crazy Sammy after this the best way I could

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compare to this and hopefully this is a deep dive for a lot of people it reminds me of 1995 diesel Kevin ash where he was like a tweener and basically was was talking about if you had the black glove I bought one like a fool because I was you know

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nine at the time you had the glove he'd give you high five those were like what it would be his rider dies and that's what Sammy is saying right now is that he appreciates all of his rider dies and I don't think it's

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coming from a hill perspective I saw an interview with him just before we recorded the podcast where he basically said that his heel he is not a heel he is not completed a heel turn and it can go either way so he

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himself as the character does it think he's a heel right now I think he leans back and forth I always love him as a baby face I think he should be a baby

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face but he's also an amazing hill with that said I'm going to take trick Williams to retain the United States championship Dr.

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Trey next one here is Dan housing and to be announced taking on the Miz and kid Wilson I'm going to take Dan housing and to be announced and I think his partner is going to be

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CM Punk Dr. Who do you like this one who do you think his partner will be I'm with you I'm taking Dan housing and vacant is that vacant to be announced I don't know I'm still kind of leaning jelly roll

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they had some interactions backstage jelly roll did the choke slam on kid Wilson I think you give punk a month off because you know AJ taking a month off so I think I'm going to take I think I'm going to take good old jelly roll to be the partner and jelly roll jelly housing gets to win

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next match here is EO sky taken on Oscar Dr. Trey who do you like in this one well they fired her bet I mean they released her best friend so I'm going to take EO

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and she also needs a win I mean we're probably starting this EO maybe it is EO Becky rivalry for the kind of title before long so an Oscar has been a bully and bullies don't win so I'm going to take EO

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I know Meltzer reported that there's some discussion that that Kyrie saying may actually be showing up at backlash which I think would be cool to make an appearance I'm going to take EO sky in this one as well

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and then finally we've got the main event match you we've got Roman Reigns defending the world every way championship against Jacob fought to I know there's a lot of people that are there's like some scuttle bought out there where there's a

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possibility that Jacob fought to win this one I don't foresee that happening I think Roman Reigns retains and he's going to have a little bit of a run here I still think he's lining up for an oboe family match come

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summously I'm too past the torch Dr. Trey who do you like in this one yeah I'm with you and also I don't know how I feel about giving Jacob fought to the tongue in death grip I love it I love it I love it really okay because I'm an old school fan yeah like when I saw how could do it like how cool when he did it I was like that's legit like I'm like how could you rip your throat out so

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but yeah I mean I'm taking Roman as well because you still got the usos involved this whole thing and everything else so I'm going to take Roman retaining the title over Jacob the reason why I love it is because I'm an old school fan and I remember when Haku slash Ming in WCW when it was a big deal when he did the tongue in death grip

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and then it was basically like a paralyzer and that you would lose like I think Ming Haku is one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time like I love that guy is awesome and a legit badass so I love that they did that I think the only thing that's missing that they have not done yet unless I've completely missed it is they need to give a like video package background on that move because for you and I growing up that was a huge like that was a huge move and they brought it back for the first time since you know Haku slash Ming was was using

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it and you know they're talking about the importance of it but they're really not selling it to today's fan and like you have to be a fan from the 90s early 90s early to the 90s when Ming was around in WCW or Haku in WWE to really understand the importance of that move so I think that's one thing that they're missing but I love it.

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Last thing that I will add here Dr. Tray Johnson is set to make an appearance I think this is fully to to announce formerly club WWE which he's behind I don't know why people are like freaking out that he's going to be there like he's going to be the he's going to be involved with the Danhausen match was one of the things I saw from people predictions on how much club WWE is going to cost on a monthly or annual basis.

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I'll go 999 how much of the old debt was 999 so I don't know like the way the economy is right now I don't think you can overcharge because people just don't have extra money right now.

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Have you seen talking to you tickets?

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Yeah but there's been backlash. God dang we use backlash twice not referring to the paper view there's been so much you know like scuttle but and push back on ticket prices I'm going to go 999 it's got to be cheaper than plan of fitness so I'll go 999.

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God I love it I'm going to go with like 2999 I think it's going to be very similar to the ESPN limited what are we getting from club WWE like I don't really know what we're getting like exclusive pre sales to spend more money exclusive content and like you have like this founding like there's going to be lounges at events like I'm like I'm part of jet blue or delta like you can go to a lounge because that's what I want to do when I'm at a wrestling event is go to the lounge.

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So yeah I fully expect to be like John the floor but it will be John the floor based on the price that I think it's going to be or if John the floor if it's on the price that you're pitching right now because then it's kind of affordable but yeah WWE really loves milking whatever they can out of our pockets right now just because they can afford these wrestlers anymore God dang you know that's why club WWE is around.

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All right with that said let's get a couple plugs and sponsors are the way you can download the show at patreon.com/srtupodcast and this to a roller show feed on Apple Spotify review download this podcast don't forget to rate review and subscribe you can follow us individually on X for myself at S R T U Jeff and for Dr.

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Trey Franklin D Dr. Trey and of course don't forget to follow show on X at S R T U podcast with that being said what is going on the one for roll of Dr. Franklin this week.

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Well like Jeff said you can follow me on X at the Dr. Trey you can find me on Facebook and Instagram Dr. Trey Franklin when you're on Facebook be sure to go check out Rock and City Championship Wrestling as right now we're on the fallout from wrestling wrestling wrestling called nine.

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And I just want to take a moment and thank all the guys all the performers all the guys and girls who came out for wrestling called nine.

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We had a bunch of last minute cancellations everybody pulled together we got a few other people to show up and show out we had Johnny Swinger from TNA Mike action Mike Jackson Alex Taylor from NWA the former junior heavyweight champion

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Mickey Knuckles one of the best heart just one of the baddest chicks on the planet just tough as nails and a bunch of other guys came in to help fill out the card.

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So go to youtube.com/rockuscdbjabrestling you can go watch WrestleCon 9 see the fallout from it just a hell of a show from top to bottom so thanks everybody who came out support the show thanks for all the rest of you came out and work the show.

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And all you folks listen to us right now go check out the show give me some feedback as I think I was on commentary the entire damn night and my voice was shot by the end of the show.

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So there you go support all the great things that support SRT you thank you for making us part of your week thank you for downloading thank you for supporting SRT you spread the word to your friends that are our wrestling fans to check us out and enjoy our weekly podcast we do every single Thursday at patreon.com/SRTU podcast.

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Enjoy backlash this weekend to the mothers that are out there happy mother's day to you you and yours and until next week for Dr. Frank Lynn I am Jeff Pack this has been the surreal show.