Is Gunther the Right Choice for Cena’s Final Opponent? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #826 – 12/11/25

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It's still real to be damaged!

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What up, you!

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Ooh, welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's Inquisitive Sister Real The Show, episode of our 826th for December 11, 2025.

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Welcome to this week's edition of SRTU.

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I am one after the show, I am Jeff Pack, joining every single week for my close to the one

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of only Dr. Trey Franklin, Dr. Trey.

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Last time is now my friend.

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Oh, the last time?

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The last time.

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In the wrestling world?

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It's really the last time.

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Last time.

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Oh man, I better buy it.

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I better buy it all my John Cena merchandise because I don't think they'll ever sell John

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Cena merchandise after this week.

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I better, I gotta stock up and load up now.

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No more fruity pebbles, shirts, ever again, Jeff.

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No more action figures, no more plushies, no more anything like that.

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Just last time is now and it's against Gunther.

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Yay!

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Yeah, let's get into it.

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So this is obviously a huge week of professional wrestling.

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This is going to be the main focus of this week's edition of SRTU.

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This past Friday, Gunther winning the last time is now tournament by defeating LA Knight

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in the main event on SmackDown, Dr. Trey.

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I know we talked about it last week.

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We all felt it was going to be Gunther, but we were hoping that it would be LA Knight.

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Gunther versus John Cena is his final match.

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Gunther is promoting the hell out of this, rightfully so.

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He is saying in interviews that this is a torched passing match in a way.

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I'm a fan of Gunther.

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I love his in-ring work.

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I would love to see John Cena versus Gunther at some point during the farewell tour.

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I don't love that it's the final match and I don't see this as a torched passing either.

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So your thoughts as Gunther will have the right to be the person that has the final match

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with John Cena in a WWE ring in his wrestling career.

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So I don't hate it on face value.

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Like Gunther is positioned to either be the top heel in the company or like he's going

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to be one of the top guys for the next 10 years.

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Like he's still young enough.

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He's arguably one of the best in-ring wrestlers.

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Maybe the most believable in-ring wrestler going today.

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Like we watch his matches and I don't think you can watch a Gunther match without at least

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one moment where you're like, oh dear God, that looks like that hurt.

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Like he's the most believable guy around.

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You brought up a great point last week when you're like, this is going to be the man that

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basically has Goldberg's last match and John Cena's last match on his resume going forward.

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I kind of wish we could spread the wealth around a little bit.

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I'm actually surprised that John Cena said, hey for my last match, I want to get the shit

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kicked out of me because that's what's going to happen like physically.

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Like I'm good with the peripherals of it.

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I don't like how we got here.

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I really did not like the finish to the Gunther LA night match.

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Those things will probably drift away over time.

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In 10 years when we're like, hey Gunther's the guy that we, you know, retired Goldberg

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retired John Cena and we're looking at every the totality of Gunther's career at that

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point.

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I think we'll say that they made the right decision to go with him.

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I just right now, like I said, the way we got here, I'm not at huge fan.

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See I think that's the right point that you have because that's how I feel.

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This could be a move that like five years from now, 10 years from now, whatever.

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We look back and we're like, yeah, that was the right call.

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Now we can look back and go, okay, that was the right move to do that.

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But in the moment, it doesn't because they are polar opposites.

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I don't know if a case could be made that this is basically like taking one error of WWE,

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which was sports entertainment, you know, a little bit of the dabble of that late 80s,

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early 90s, hoagin type stuff of how Cena was as a sports entertainer versus the future

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and the present of WWE were you to a little bit more focused on in-ring skill and ability

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than you were under the banner of Vince McMahon, basically, of that sports entertainment

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mindset.

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It's sports entertainment versus wrestling and I don't know quite yet in the moment if

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that's what WWE is looking for.

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Overall, if this is a torch passing moment, I felt LA Knight is a very formidable foe to

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be across the ring from John Cena in that final match versus Gunther.

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That to me is there's less polar opposites between LA Knight and John Cena as there are with

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John Cena and Gunther when you're talking about torch passing.

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There's other things that you could have made the case for should they have held off for

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Cody Rhodes at some point of being that person that has that final match with John Cena.

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Do you go the nostalgic route and do a Randy Orton or a CM Punk?

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Does John Cena flat out tell WWE like this is who I want?

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According to reports, it was like however you want to do this basically.

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There's so many different avenues they could have done and it felt like this was the direction

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since I feel like the late summer when the reports were coming out and I think you've brought

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this up as well, Dr. Trey.

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The thing that kind of muddies the water a little bit is that Gunther was responsible for

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retiring Goldberg earlier this year on Saturday Night's Main event.

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So I do feel like that's a little bit of cloudy stuff.

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So part of me is wondering if this is part of a bigger storyline moving forward where

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if AJ Styles is retiring next year is AJ Styles eventual last match against Gunther.

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Now Gunther has this thing where he is retiring our heroes like that's part of his character.

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You know if Randy Orton decides to hang up the boots is it Gunther who does the final

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match there as well?

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Is this going to be a person of his that is quasi storyline, quasi organic similar to how

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they added the layer of legend killer to Randy Orton in the early parts of his career?

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Part of me is wondering it that way.

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I would have liked to go on a different direction but I wonder if there is more if there's more

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to this from a business standpoint of the past versus the present and we just don't realize

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it now or if this is also part of like Gunther's eventual persona that they're trying to portray

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on him moving forward in WWE.

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Yeah and you know we've thought about that adding that you know career killer type moniker

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to him which sounds really negative but sounds like he's crippling people but you know

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there is that element they get added to it and then you know you go back eight months

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ago almost a year ago with when Netflix first debut or raw debut on Netflix and there was

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talk of Gunther going baby face and maybe this is also you know and when they say passing

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of the torch maybe this is a way of hey Gunther's seen you know the light so to speak and later

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on whenever he does the baby face turn he can point back to this moment and that be the

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reason why he changes his his maniacal ways.

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It's on one hand like I the Gunther thing to me is cool because he is in a lot of ways like

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the villain of an action movie like he's the kind of guy that you was seeing a die hard and

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you're like yeah like I really hope you know Bruce Willis kicks his ass and that's kind of

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where we're at now with with Gunther and Jocena where you're just like I really hope Jocena

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has got enough in the chamber to to beat down this guy so he is the prototypical villain that

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you want in a wrestling company he's a little bit of like the 80s you know throwback evil

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uh foreigner type character mixed in with this great professional wrestler attitude to it.

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So in a lot of ways he is the perfect foil for the sports entertainer that Jocena is

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uh but we've also seen Jocena go out and have some really great matches during this retirement

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run so I think this match will be good but like I was saying earlier and it wasn't even the

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fact that he won the tournament like LA nights a great choice we talk about CM Punk Randy

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Orden LA nights in his 40s it's it's it would be great but I mean LA night probably only has

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really four to five really you know top years left and then he'll start slowing down I you

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know guys like me like if you're gonna pass a torch you kind of want a younger guy whether

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it's and you know we're seeing Oba Femme and Cody Rose this had a main event whether it

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was a broad break or somebody else that you can go hey this might be our torch carrying

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baby face for the next few years even though he might be a heel now you can go this route

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um my biggest issue with the LA night Gunther match was having LA night tap out like I hated

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that like that's not what good guys do good guys don't give up especially if you're in the

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John Cena tournament you shouldn't be giving up because that's exactly the opposite of the John

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Cena character so I had a big issue with that but like I said on paper if we look at this 10 years

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from now and Gunther's had a Hall of Fame career and he's ended the careers of you know he was the

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last guy for Goldberg Cena AJ Punk Orden whoever it is that's gonna reach higher in the next 10 years

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like that's just gonna be another feather in his cap for whatever career he builds out of this

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so you bring up an interesting point because that's kind of what the the seeds are being planted

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right Gunther wants to tap out John Cena he said it on raw he said in interviews right now I think

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I saw it on on first take for ESPN and Clip yesterday um what do you think about that because I think

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everybody is expecting Gunther to win right like that's what you do someone on the way out and

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Cena said this recently in an interview I forget who it was with maybe Chris Van Ville

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where the question was asked like why did you get squashed by Brock and was like well I'm on my

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way out let's like build him up and that is probably the same line of thought for John Cena versus

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Gunther right I mean that is historically what you always hear when your career's sunsetting

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your on your way out you do the job you pass it on to the next person but what about that impact

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right um John Cena's always been hustle loyalty respect he's never given up uh I have him

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something in my mind right now that's telling me that Gunther wins with a choke out but Cena never

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gives up uh that appears to be the foreshadowing the seeds being planted the Easter egg that's being

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discussed how do you foresee this match happening or ending on Saturday night's main event doctor

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right do you think John Cena actually taps out and that's how the final moment of his in-ring

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career that we see or could there be a shocking moment where John Cena does super Cena one last time

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and he goes out as a as a winner and as a champion by defeating you know one of the best in the world

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in Gunther and and that's how he ends it like how do you foresee this match taking place

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I there there's a big part of the thing Cena's gonna tap and and that being you know kind of the

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the visual for the fans of like yeah I can't keep up with this current class um I'm trying to remember

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it was there a time has Cena passed out in a submission hold I don't think he's ever tapped

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I can't remember I don't think he ever tapped occurred angle he might have

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passed out wife and I feel like Cena tapped out when he was a heel before the 2004 run I feel like

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that has been discussed yeah I almost want to think that was against the undertaker like in Hell's

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Gate but yeah I I don't remember many times of him actually physically tapping out because I don't

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think the pass out really works and if you're trying to get Gunther over as this mega heel

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um and you're also trying to reestablish some credibility because don't forget he tapped out to

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Jay Uso from the sleeper joke like really quickly just what six months ago so like if you're trying

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to reestablish him as you know a top level villain I think you need seen it actually tap out and

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basically that's the way he's wavic acknowledging that not only is is Gunther better in this match but

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physically that's why he's stepping away because he can't keep up at the same level that that

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John Cena normally could so I'm kind of leaning tap out and didn't we see Gunther use a version of

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the STF recently as well wasn't that against LA night that's that's what he did but he did kind of

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like this back like choke instead like he was pulling up on the chin rather than the forearm

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underneath because the forearm underneath does not look good folks well no because technically it's a

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chokehold and that's I love this interesting right now where it's like you'll see a guy they're going

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he's blatantly choking him and that's illegal but then they'll call a chokehold and they're like he's

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tapping out to a chokehold I'm like you shouldn't that be if putting my hands around your throat is

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considered an illegal choke shouldn't a forearm around the throat be an illegal choke as well like I

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just I'm always questioning that that's I get onto the young wrestlers about that stuff I'm like

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make it make sense but yeah like what if Cena taps out and then that's to me that would be the

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most logical way to really not only see the guy who ended John Cena's career but he's the guy who

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tapped out hustle loyalty respect never give up like that yeah that goes on the resume and that you can

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you can like just like you know Brock Lesnar being the one in 21 and one this is the guy who made John

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Cena give up yeah that's probably do you think what is more impactful okay or what what is more

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I think I know the answer I think this is a very easy answer what is more impactful but what do you

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more want to see I mean we're we're both expecting Gunther to win right does Gunther make do you

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what what is more impactful Gunther making Cena tap out or Gunther passing out John Cena and then

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what do you want to see do you want to see Cena tap out is that a big deal to you or would you prefer

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to see him pass out and that's how his career ends I mean as as a John Cena fan like and I say that

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like John Cena has never been my favorite guy but he's you know we respect the hell out of John Cena

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I want to see him tap out I think that is more impactful for somebody's career because then you can go

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holy choked out John Cena or John Cena passed out but he didn't quit he never gave up and so he

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held on to that so if you're going for something that is more impactful it would be Cena actually tapping

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out as opposed to just passing out from from the sleeper home yeah I mean I totally agree that's what

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I said I said I think this is a very easy question to answer so the tap out more impactful what do I

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want to see I want to see him pass out I don't want to you know Gunther made him you know Gunther won

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but he didn't give up like that's like going out on your sword and it's like kind of like a poetic

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way for Cena to to go out so it's it's it's gonna be a wild time doctor I don't know if you're aware of

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this yet but that match is actually opening Saturn and it's made a bet did you know that

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which is weird for me because I'm like are we doing the boots in the ring send off like that's

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typically what guys do when they retire they take the boots off they leave them in the ring you

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know and then they walk off on under their own power if you're doing that in the beginning of the show

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like how do you how do you go from here yeah like I mean because looking at the card it's mostly

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you know main roster NXT like yeah I we all want to see Cody and Oba go at it I think we're I think

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you and I probably don't say about like we're super excited for that match just because it's like

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dear God that's just incredible in a lot of ways but there's not as much emotional investment

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in some of these other matches then you have in this one and and maybe that's where that that

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like I'm 80% sure Gunther's winning this match but that's 20% maybe that's that 20% where Cena wins

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in the opening match and we don't get that emotional send off at the end um and maybe the emotional

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send off as Cena's in the building and Cena comes out to save somebody at the end of the show and

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then that's how we end Saturday's made event staying didn't lose his last match which he wanted to

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he wanted to lose yeah like that young box and Tony Khan was like no you're winning yeah I mean

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and that's one of those things right now or it's like maybe there is that that the new thing is

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to have the guy go out winning and Cena can win the match on on you know a fluke AA123 and I don't

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think people would hate it but you know it's it's to open the show I mean most of your people are

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tuning in to see that match what happens when that match is over do they tune out and you go

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go somewhere else like that's that AEW thing where they you put the world title match on first and then

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why do I need to watch the rest of the show this is what I wanted to see well this is like

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Cena's request which is which is kind of odd right I I'm actually I love the concept of the show

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I think it's really cool yeah maybe not my favorite matchups that I would have said if I was doing

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an NXT versus WWE like Dream Card like you know Newstar versus Youngstar I think probably

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Oba Cody could potentially be on there but maybe I go like a different direction and you know

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I'd prefer to see like Oba versus Roman or Oba versus Brock or Oba Oba versus a Braun Breaker

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or whatever but that part intrigues me the opening up the show I'm with you I expect I you know

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boots in the ring and I don't know if you remember this at all Dr. Trey but when Rick Flair retired

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from WWE after WrestleMania 24 the next time on Raw they closed out the show with like this massive

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show of appreciation of love or the entire roster came out I fully expect that I know I know

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they're saying right now according to reports there's no runtime on the show but yeah I mean the

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emotional roller coaster that I think fans are going to be on whether you loved Cena like Cena

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respected Cena hated Cena you know there is a part of nostalgia that'll end on Saturday where

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it's a chapter closing it's you know even when there's athletes that I I'm not fans of it's like

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man that's that's a chapter closing and that to me is how I'm going to be looking at it I mean

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I think that first the match probably 20 25 minutes and then the stuff afterwards I mean you

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could be looking at the entire first hour of Saturday Night's main event beat plus being just

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dedicated to John Cena and then the three other matches will get the rest of the show

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yeah I don't know I just feel like I hope that there is a huge celebration post match because

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if there's anyone that deserves it it is John Cena. Plus who the hell wants to follow that match

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like if you're Bailey and Saul Ruka do you want to be the match after that emotion like how the hell

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are you gonna get the fans even to pay attention to your match after they just saw John Cena's last match

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like I mean the sting Darby Youngbuck's thing is a good comparison because didn't that one didn't

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that one close out the show for AEW that night I believe it did it did yeah yeah but like in uh you

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know takers final match I don't think we really knew that was the final match because he did the

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boot thing once before and then came back later on down the line um but something like this I mean

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you want your biggest emotional attraction tip of the close out the show and this is where WW kind

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of needed to step in and go that this is John Cena being humble and going I don't want to be the

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focal point of the show I don't want to be the main event like Cena's been really really humble

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during this year long run when it comes to making sure guys are taking care of but this is where

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WW should say should said John this is your last match we're closing the show with you because

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hey you're the biggest star in the last 20 years in this company and be who the hell wants to go

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after you like who wants to be in there because the crowd is going to be so emotionally invested in

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that match whether they want to admit it or not that by the time that match is over it's going to be

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really hard to get the crowd back up for the next three matches so it's it's it's going to be

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interesting see if they can I kind of expect them to do something kind of crazy on this show towards

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the end just to kind of get the crowd back up for the end of the show I just don't know what to be

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but by the way and I was going to ask is it will probably get into the little bit but

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um open Cody was kind of surprising I kind of thought it'd be Ricky and Cody yeah yeah I thought

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so too I think I'll probably pause on that because we're talking so much about Cena right now

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because we've got deadline and we'll talk about Saturday and it's been about to definitely address that

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but I'm I'm certainly with you on that one um yeah the the scene is I kind of you know the more I think

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about it I kind of like it dr. Trey because it's like a chapter closes at the beginning and then you

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are looking at the future afterwards it's going to be different than what we're used to

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but it's again I always use this word but it's like poetic in a sense that it's like this is the

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chapter closing and this is what we're um we're doing you know moving forward so with with the company

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it's um it's an interesting time it's it's it's it's going to be strange how do you feel going into

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this dr. Trey knowing that John Cena's in-ring career is over like what do you expect for yourself as

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you you know either you watch the show live or you watch it on demand like what what are your

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fields right now knowing that we're just days away from the John Cena era of a formerly closing and

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roll the ass entertainment it's it's surreal in a lot of ways because typically we don't get these

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announcements that hey well we've never had you know a rolling stones type retirement tour for somebody

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before so that's new but you know and typically if we knew somebody was about to retire like whether

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like Goldberg earlier this year we knew that this was coming that he was going to have a last match

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it is a sense of surrealism especially because we've seen John Cena pretty regularly over this year

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it's not like years past where we'd see him once a year or you know four times a year like he's been

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semi-regular during this retirement tour so I don't know if it's it's really sunk in and it may not

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actually sink in until the close of that match I mean you know we were joking to start the show about

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no more Cena merch and no more Cena plushees and all that's like I literally bought Sammy Franklin

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the old John Cena 8 gig t-shirt that looks like a super Nintendo game

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yeah that's a bottom that shirt I bought him that shirt for Christmas this year because John Cena is

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Sammy Franklin's favorite wrestler and it's a little sad that you know he's six years old and

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this guy's retiring and you know he's not going to get to see him in the ring anymore going forward

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but does he know what's going on no no concept of it are you gonna tell him like it's his last match like

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how do you or just still too young to understand that and and honestly if if I feel like I know he gets

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really emotional during John Cena matches like he is if Cena's winning he is talking smack

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to everybody else in the house the entire time and when Cena's on the defense he's screaming at the

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TV that the other guy is cheating whether he's cheating or not he just tell you that if John Cena's

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losing is because somebody else is cheating so I don't even know if I'm going to let him watch

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that match yet live until he can put in plus it it's also depending on the time it might be it

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might be a little bit after his bedtime also but it's just he doesn't understand retirement

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so I can't really tell him hey this is the last time John Cena's going to wrestle because that'll just

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flip him out to the core yeah so it may just be one of those things where like

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he becomes aware of it later more than anything else I do think I'll probably let him watch the

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match and then because I'm trying to teach him also like he is the worst

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loser of anything in the world like he absolutely comes unglued if you beat him at some

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point and when Cena lost to Cody he was just livid during that match that Cena actually lost that's

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why didn't let him watch the Brock Lesnar match because I kind of thought it might go the way it went

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but I'm trying to teach him that it's okay to lose as long as you're doing your best

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and so I may let him watch that match just to kind of reemphasize that point that it's not always

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winning and losing it really is about putting forth your best effort.

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All right well Dr. Trey with that being said John Cena's final match this Saturday in Washington DC

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Saturday and it's main event John Cena's final match we will look towards that show here

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momentarily but first because there is some stuff that happened at the the NXT show this past

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Saturday that affects Saturday and it's a main event let's get into it NXT deadline recap so this

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was from this past Saturday from the Boeing Center at Tech Port in San Antonio Texas we had Oba

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Femi defeating Ricky Saints to win back the NXT Championship he's now a two time champion

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Javon Evans defeated Leon Slater Joe Hendry, Dion Lannix and Miles Bourne to win the men's Iron

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Survivor Challenge match for an NXT Championship match against Oba Femi was supposed to be at New Year's

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Evil he cashed in on that this past Tuesday on NXT losing to Oba Femi thanks to interference from now

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I guess the heel absolute Ricky Saints Kendall Gray shocked the world by defeating sole Rooka

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Lola vice Kalani Jordan Jordan Gray's to win the women's Iron Survivor Challenge match for NXT

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Women's Championship match at New Year's Evil I've become a very quick fan of Kendall Gray what an

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amazing talent she is is he damned defeated Tane and Paxley Ethan Page defeated Mr. Guana to

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retain the NXT North American Championship Dr. Trey what were your thoughts and takeaways from NXT

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deadline this past Saturday my friend I mean I mentioned a little bit earlier I was I was kind of surprised

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that Oba Femi regained the NXT Championship because I was kind of looking forward to seeing a

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a Ricky Saints Cody Rose Saturday night main event matchup they have some good matches in

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AEW so I was kind of wanting to see that their co-girl this one but Oba Femi and Cody's kind of

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dream I imagine then the fallout with with you know Ricky Saints quasi turning heel I don't know

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if we're there yet but he did cause Javon Evans to not win that match is interesting as well but

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that's kind of we talked about it like that's kind of what they do at NXT like if you're a baby

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face and you win the championship they come back and make you a heel just to kind of see which side

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you seem to do better always seem to with you know a number of talents the the men's iron survivor match

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I don't know I don't know if I could get really get into it it was a fantastic match it was fun

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to watch I just didn't get into it as much as I did previous iron survivor matchups but it was

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good on Javon to get the win because he almost won it last year and then getting the cash in at least

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is building a storyline for him and I'm with you the women's iris of Iron Match like yeah Kendall

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Gray just really stood out in that match the the other women in the match we've all kind of seen

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before we saw the Saul Rook and Andrew Angle they love to do but yeah it's just she's a fantastic

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like she's got this sounds weird and and and maybe I'm off the transition from her amateur experience

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into where she's at and wrestling is one of the quickest transitions I've ever seen like she looks

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naturally fluid in the rain and you don't see that very often I won't use the Kurt Angle comparison

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because that's elite level but she's like up there on just how fast she's transition from her

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amateur wrestling background and other athletics into pro wrestling like she could be a big

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time star here in the near future she's got the look she's got the talent she's got the Mike

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skills already like she's gonna be you want on the fast track kind of like what we saw with Saul

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Rook at this past year and Saul getting her center nice main event matchup at Bailey I mean I

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think we can see the same thing with Kendall Gray here before long yeah there's the Kendall

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Gray part I'll start there I think they're beating the comparison to Kurt Angle a little too

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to death yeah honestly on on NXT television I get it the thing with her is so I know you probably

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did not watch this doctor tray I would watch level up I am not watching evolve so I watched level up

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when Kendall Gray was on there and she tagged a lot with I believe Cali Bright I think that's the name

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that she has an NXT and she was okay nothing that stood out I've watched her the last let's say month

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on NXT television and you heard some whispers like she's the real deal and and she is backing it up

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I also heard the same thing about Cali Armstrong which I've seen very few matches of hers but

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Kendall Gray is legit like you I'm watching this right now and I'm like a year two years three years

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Kendall Gray could very well be in a WrestleMania match for championship either as the champion or

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as a challenger like she is that good it reminds me of the build of Tiffany Stratton honestly because I

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watched Tiffany Stratton go from that level up to NXT television to just obviously ascend to where

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her career is today Kendall Gray is is really really good both iron survivor challenge matches so

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as long as they've been doing it I have loved this match I've talked about how much I've

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gushed all over I think it's like a very similar to the casino battle royal matches that they do now

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in a w I have felt like or is that the casino gauntlet match they call it now not the battle royal I feel

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like it's like one of those underrated match gimmicks that is really really good I gotta say I was

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let down by both matches this year I thought both matches were carbon copies layouts of how each one

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went I mean the last second pin like yeah that gets a great pop but we've seen that already with

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like trick Williams and then I saw it earlier in the night with the women's match and then I'm seeing

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it in the later of the night with the men's match I felt like they needed to get a little bit more

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creative than basically do a blueprint of the same exact match to a degree in those final five minutes

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so I thought both matches were were let down I still think it's a great match concept I'd like to

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see it integrated more in NXT quite honestly rather than once a year I don't think it over does it

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all that much so I was let down by that over defeating Ricky St. was a surprise that kind of carry is

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over to some conversation about the match with Cody Rhodes Saturday nights main event but Ricky

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turning heel on Tuesday on NXT by costing Javon Evans the match I thought was a nice touch I would

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have liked to see this wait a little bit but clearly they wanted to go forward with the Ricky

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St. Seale run I would prefer save it for NXT New Year's evil quite honestly is he day in Tainempaxi

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good entertaining match good storyline match like that Ethan Page has been a great character on

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NXT television all year long the Mr. Guana stuff I feel like his popularity has really kind of

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gone downhill I thought that match was not necessary to be needed on this show quite honestly and

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it was just like an add on but it was a fine show doctor try I thought NXT deadline was you know a

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step up from a normal episode of NXT honestly yeah I didn't even bring up the Ethan Page

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Mr. Guana match because I would like the Mr. Guana gimmick is exactly that like it's entertaining

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like you kind of have to make it special if you see it all the time like there's only so much

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you can do now that mind you Mr. Guana is actually a good wrestler but the gimmick itself is a little

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bit like yeah you you kind of runs for it's an Ethan Page and the Ethan Page Chelsea pairing maybe

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if we ever do a category for the favorite thing you saw in wrestling on our award show this year it

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might be Chelsea and Ethan Page because they've just been phenomenal all year long um is he in Tainempa

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I left that just because it kind of slipped my mind but that was storyline wise was good and solid

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as well but yeah like the thing we're saying by the iron iron survivor challenge is almost the same

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thing we said a couple weeks ago about survivors series war games like they were almost carbon copies

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of each other and that just shows a little bit of lazy producing and and maybe also like there are

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times that you just can't come up with a something fresh and innovative that we haven't seen before

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because after a while you know all the cool stuff's already been taken it's just that you just have

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the kind of present stuff in different ways but I don't know if I could handle seeing it more if

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if if we're seeing the trajectory of the match quality kind of go down I don't know if we want to see

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it more so it was kind of a let down match but overall the like you said it was like a really really

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good episode of NXT uh like I'm just glad I didn't have to pay any extra money true true um and I guess

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it kind of carries over to Saturday and to be in a van I mean we've beaten the John Cena got their

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stuff already we've we've already discussed that so looking at the three other matches you've got

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undisputed WWE champion Cody Rhodes versus NXT champion Oba Femi um you know you brought up some

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points there Dr. Trey early on in the show so so what are your thoughts going in this one with

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with Cody and Oba rather than Cody taking on his protege Ricky Saints I mean I'm excited for

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the match like I've been wanting to see Oba on on a bigger stage for a while I think the shock

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value for those you know casual WWE fans who don't really watch NXT I think finally seeing Oba Femi

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in his size and you know in the ring with Cody I mean I think people are gonna really get taken

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to back by it um I was surprised because it shows their faith in Elbe like the safe pick would have been

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Ricky Saints because you know him and Cody would have put together a good match because a like you

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said Ricky's kind of Cody's protege and plus they've had matches so I'm happy to see Oba get the

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spotlight I know you've been hammering about it for a little while I we were hoping to see it

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at war games or or have him join the vision I still think there has to be some kind of big payoff

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for this match to lead into rumble something happening to Cody to kind of trend towards the rumble

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but I'm excited to see it and I'm excited for Ricky Saints because I think Ricky Saints is a

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better heel than he is a baby face so I'm hoping he takes this opportunity and really just runs with

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yeah I'm with you I think Ricky Saints is much better than a heel than a baby face it's been he

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was very watered down as a baby face just did not enjoy it whatsoever I was definitely concerned for

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him coming out of deadline it's like well that was a quick title run one thing I'd do with Ricky

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now some very good foreshadowing then I got pick on in the moment with the backstage stuff later on

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the show with Javon Evans and and Ricky Saints that was obviously replayed at the start of NXT this

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past week which then carried itself to the final segment that I thought was really good but yeah I'm

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really looking forward to Oba Femi for Cody Rhodes I think this is a test this is the test for Oba

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if we see Oba get on the main roster and let's say 46 8 12 months it could very well be because

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this match I hope he does well I hope he performs well I think the long term stuff for Oba is very

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intriguing and part of me wonders like would they would they do a shock of the world and have

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Oba defeat Cody Rhodes I don't think that's out of the rumble possibility I'd put it like at a 40

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percent chance right now Dr. Trey so I'm intrigued by that one AJ Styles and Dragon Lee

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I guess are defending I can't get clarity on this the defending the World Tag Team Chip Gains

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Javon Evans and Leon Slater the TNA X Division Champion how about that for TNA I mean they are

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getting one of their guys on the final match show of John Cena's career I mean that is huge for TNA

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and I expect this match to be very very fun to watch Bailey versus Sol Ruka I like this one I think

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Sol Ruka is the future as well someone how I was gushing about Kennel Gray I would do the same for Sol Ruka

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I think being paired with the measuring stick of the women's division in Bailey is the right call

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here so those are the four matches including Cena and Gunther obviously that have been announced

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Dr. Trey I think it's gonna be a fun show on Saturday night I like the the different look that

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the show is getting based off of what John Cena wanted to close out his career yeah I really didn't

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cover that two matches but I'm excited for AJ and Dragon Lee against Slater and Evans and it's

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mainly because I get to see AJ Styles in the ring against somebody holding an exhibition championship

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yeah like that that's really cool so it's cool for TNA it's cool for AJ Leon Slater has quickly

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become one of my favorite people and it's mainly because of his promos because I can't understand

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half the stuff he says with that Cockney British accent but it's super fun to listen to it's a

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little bit like when Shaymus first came on the main roster and his Irish accent was so heavy you

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almost needed close captioning to understand it but I'm accepting that match and and Sol Ruka like

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this may be the one match where I pick an NXT person to get the win a little bit because of the

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Bailey multiple personality storyline in the background but also like if Saul wins I don't think

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anybody can be shocked about it because she probably is the future of the women's division on

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the main roster here in the next couple years and I actually would not be surprised if Opah

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Femi wins because hey Cody needs a challenger for Rumble and if Drew McIntyre shows up and

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costs Cody to match Opah gets a big win and then we get a Cody Drew match at Royal Rumble

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yeah that would be that would be good I I feel like there's a big moment outside of Cena that takes

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place on the show Dr. Trey do you think it's I mean I think I could see them like it could be any of

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these things it could be a new tag team champions it could be Sol Ruka shocking the world and defeating

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Bailey but I feel like if you want to make an imprint on this show outside of Cena like Opah

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defeating Cody does that yeah I mean to me especially with Cena in the opening match like I said earlier

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like you need something else big to happen otherwise you're gonna have fans feeling a little bit let

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down by having Cena on first and then the rest of the show just being you know I like a souped

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up smack down in a lot of ways you know so it's like you need something else to kind of make people

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go crap I can't miss the Saturday night main event thing ends yeah no this is on peacock this

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on peacock yet exclusive so this also I think the contract runs through March I believe with this

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but I'm not entirely sure but yeah you definitely need something big to kind of you know kick us off

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into Royal Rumble season as well and not just wait to go raw smack down because I think after this

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we only have about five weeks until the Royal Rumble I think it's a little bit more than that no I mean

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the less I think it's it's in between it's not when they're doing the championship games I think

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it's like the 31st okay so then we got about six weeks yeah yeah yeah two more weeks just two more

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weeks in December than four in January so usually this is about the time they start really setting up

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the Rumble storylines because I'm pretty sure people will start announcing on the first Netflix

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or the next first Raw the new year on Netflix that they're announcing for the Royal Rumble so you

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got just a couple weeks really start kicking off Royal Rumble season yeah it's gonna be fun time

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it's wild we're heading heading to the holiday season and yeah speaking of that the holiday

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schedule kicks off next week on the show so dr. Trin and I will be back here on the 18th for episode

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827 we'll be recapping professional wrestling the year 2025 we'll listen back to our our predictions

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at the start of the year we'll also recap obviously John Cena's final match from Saturday night to main

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event and anything else that comes out of that show and everything anything else that comes out to

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earn the week on Christmas Day it'll be our 2025 SRT award show special and then on New Year's day

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all the great things that support s r t u enjoy john cnus final match this saturday whether you

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loved them hated them were indifferent on them this is a huge deal for professional wrestling enjoy

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enjoy this moment as a chapter is coming to a close uh with that being said we will recap it all for

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you on next week's edition of s r t u uh until then for dr tre franklin i am jeff pack thank you for

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