Is Okada becoming a free agent soon and NXT Deadline preview | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #721 – 12/7/23

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Episoumber seven or twenty one for December
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Mass Are to You. But nonetheless, this is a wrestling podcast.

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We are here to talk about professional
wrestling and in the world of MLB.

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Right now, it's a big free
agency season and in twenty twenty four the

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world of professional wrestling could have a
very large free agent pool, one of

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those names being somebody I did not
expect whatsoever would be available for free agency,

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and that could be arguably now with
will Ospray off the board, the

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number one potential free agent and professional
wrestling, and that person, similar to

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will Ospray, comes from New Japan
Pro Wrestling, and that person is the

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Rainmaker, Kazuchika or Kazuchka, depending
on how you pronounce it, Okada.

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According to sports illustrators Justin Bursero.
He is reporting this comes to his via

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Wrestling Inc. As well that former
IWGP Worldyweight Champion Kauzichio Okada's contract with New

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Japan Pro Wrestling expires at the end
of January and there's a chance that the

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current never openweight six man tag champion
could hit free agency. Okada appeared on

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AW Dynamine October, and at the
time it was assumed that it was merely

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to build towards his January fourth match
against Brian Danielson, but the trip is

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reportedly to also give Okada a better
sense of how AW operates should he decide

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to join. His other option is
WE, which has made continual overtures.

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W Vice President of Developmental Creative Sean
Michaels believes that Okada would adapt seamously to

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W style should Okada opt to join
the promotion, which is now operated by

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t K Group Holdings in the wake
of w's merger with UFC. There is

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a lot of speculation as of late
that the reason why WW is booked Knockamore

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as strong has also been an appeal
to Okada's camp and an appeal to Japanese

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wrestlers as they potentially roll off of
New Japan Pro Wrestling, that W could

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be a place that you could go
to and be successful. Under Triple H's

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reign, Knackimore has been booked very
very solidly. Under visick Man's reign,

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it was complete opposite, so My
hope is Knackamore, who has been phenomenal

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the last quarter of a year,
really looking forward to his match with Cody

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Rhads on Monday's Raw, sees more
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But is it a bargaining ship potentially
or a way to show the new Japan

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Pro Wrestling stars, Japanese stars that
coming to America you don't have to just

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go to awww a's an option potentially, but nonetheless, going back to the

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initial store here, doctor Trey Kazu's
Ko Kata potentially a free agent at the

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end of January. This is a
huge deal. Yeah, it's a very

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huge deal. I mean, he's
arguably you know, well they always say

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he's the John Cena of what New
Japan's been over the last decade. It's

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it's it'd be very similar like if
John Cena came open to a free agent

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betting war and you know some of
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were trying to sign him. It's
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over into your brand. So it's
gonna draw eyeballs, it's gonna draw attention,

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and he's arguably maybe one of the
few handful of names in New Japan

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that most wrestling fans know. I
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knows who Kazuhio Kinda is, but
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So. It's not like signing,
you know, a Coda Abushi or even

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Kenta, where you still had the
diehards knew who they were, but you

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still had to introduce him to the
American audience a little more. Okata is

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a guy that you can bring in
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I've heard of him, I've been
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will tune into that product, regard
wordless of the brand, just to get

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eyes on Ocada. Yeah, this
is a big opportunity. Should he hit

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free agency? And I say should
he because we don't really know. There's

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been an update to report about this
all. But looking at the initial onset,

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I mean, to me, doctor
Trey a couple of weeks ago,

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I said, out of everybody in
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name that I would most want if
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will Osprey. Does Okada? I
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one name on the list should he
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But would Ocata be a bigger deal
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if you're building a company long term, I think it's still Ospray.

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But if you're going for a short
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we're talking about baseball to looking for
that impact bat that's gonna get you to

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the World Series, I would think
it'd be Ocata because in the short term

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he's going to draw more eyes.
I do think what o'cada's probably about eight

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years older than Osprey. He's in
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he's not a long term pillar building
block, but he's definitely gonna get you.

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If you brought an Ocada in for
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it's gonna draw more eyeballs because that
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it. So, once again,
like building a company, I probably take

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Osprey's short term investment to get the
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probably say Ocada. Dave Meltzer from
Wrestling Observer Radio via Wrestling Ink Here put

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a little bit of water on this
story. Although speculations in building that Okada

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could now end up sign with WI
or a W, the situation with his

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deal is quote overplayed in some ways. According to Wrestling Observer Radio, there's

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definitely interest from WWI and bringing in
o'cad in that promotion, and that the

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promotion feels there's a better chance of
getting him now than ever before. However,

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it was noted that every wrestler's contract
with New Japan par Wrestling expires at

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the end of January each year.
Recent details indicated that o'cada's appearance for AW

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back in October was in order for
him to get a feel for the promotion

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and see how Tony Kahan operates in
case he had interest in joining the Rainmaker

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wrestle on the October twenty fifth edition
of AW Dynamite, teaming with Orange Cassidy

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against members of the Blackpool Combat Club. Additionally, word is making the rounds

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that Sewn Michaels, w's vice president
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it easy. We mentioned that before
in the recent focus on pushing Knackamoor and

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Maving because of the organization's interest in
bringing in Ocada. Another part that we

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mentioned before. I don't know,
you know, you got meltzer putting a

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little bit of water on these flames, Doctor Trey. But if every wrestler

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in New Japan's contract comes up in
January, then why haven't we sat here

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before and talked about, Hey,
Okada maybe up for free agency, or

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he may be available to the WE
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I mean, that just seems strange
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story like this hits Sports Illustrate if
there isn't some smoke to this fire.

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Yeah, I think if I'm not
miss saying, I read this once where

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every wrestler under New Japan like if
they sign, like the company holds almost

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like a club option type thing where
they can kind of renew it with incremental

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pay raises. But after so many
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renegotiating period. So you're right,
like, if this is the thing every

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single year, every single year you
and I was sayingbing like, who's getting

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a Taanda Hashi, who's getting Okada? Who's getting you know, the insert

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your favorite New Japan wrestor. The
American guys would be up every single year,

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why wasn't this mentioned last year with
will Ospring Like that? To me

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seems egregious to report that, oh, well, everybody comes up in JA.

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I think there is some kind of
option that the promotion holds for so

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many years and then after that time
you can then either leave or renegotiate,

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because otherwise this would be the same
thing every single year, and it'd be

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it'd be like college football to transfer
portal. It'd just be like chaos right

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now, watching guys jump all over
the map from New Japan to the UK,

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UK to Japan and Japan the US
and vice versa. It'd be just

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just craziness everywhere. So let's talk
about February first, twenty twenty four.

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Right, it's the contract has ran
out with New Japan. Ocada is a

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free agent. Where does he land? Doctor Trey? Is it AW?

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Is it w w A? Is
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he wrestling at the halfway point in
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I just think he's gonna stay in
New Japan. I mean, if he

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goes to me, it's hard for
like, if I'm him and I'm looking

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like, well, let's see,
like I'm not gonna make the jump because

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of how they booked since they not
gonna work for six months. You know,

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like that's seems crazy. That's crazy
to me as well, like or

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oh my gosh, they booked Oscar, Kyrie and EO right for a few

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months. Let me jump there.
But I also would be caustious about going

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to AAW because although yeah, Jay
White got a push, we assume will

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Ospray will get a big push,
but has everybody got a big pushes came

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over? Well, there's been other
guys. We've had a lot of these

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crossover matches, and most of the
New Japan guys don't win in AW or

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you know, it's just Minor's Suzuki. I think he's won like one match.

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You know, Shabata got a belt, but then you know that's about

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it. Like most of the guys
from New Japan don't get that big push

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towards the top of the car.
So if I'm Okada, I would probably

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play safe and stay where I know
I'm beloved and welcomed and I don't have

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to change anything. Yeah, I
mean, I think his most likely spot

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is New Japan and then dabbling in
AW from time to time in twenty twenty

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four. But when it comes to
some of the New Japan stars, like

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especially recently Ja, why will ost
Bray all sign of the AW in twenty

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twenty three, I would just like
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go to W and see how it
turns out like a current name. I'm

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not obviously talking about Nakamora people that
have been in New Japan in the past,

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because there's been plenty, but like
in this new regime of WWE with

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Triple H, I would love to
see how an Okada would would perform in

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WA. And I think it is
a little bit telling the direction of WA

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based that Ospray and j White at
least entertained W and their free agencies,

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and I think they're probably doing that
obviously for negotiation tactics, but it ultimately

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went to AW, but at least
they're considering W. I would be like

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if Okada went to AW, I
feel like it would be kind of normal.

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But I would love to see Ocada
in WW because I think there would

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be more intrigued for me as a
wrestling fan as to how he actually performs

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in that spot. Yeah, I
think out of everybody we've mentioned, Okada

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does kind of fit the WWE style
the best, Like he's a showman,

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you know, from the entrance to
the presentation to you know, he's not

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a super crazy fast worker, like
he works kind of a blend of a

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New Japan WW sty He works very
similar to shins k in a lot of

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ways, so to me, him
and even even tom of Hashi to an

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extent, those two guys kind of
fit the WW style better maybe than some

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of the guys we've seen sign with
AEW and you know, that may be

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what they're looking at, Like who
would actually kind of make that seamless transition,

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Like Sean Michaels mentioned that we could
plug and play into our system and

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they can make an impact and we
don't have to go through and basically kind

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of retrain them into our style like
you may have had to do with a

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Kinta, which is kind of why
hit Deo at Tommy kind of struggled speaking

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in New Japan for wrestling, speaking
of all Elite wrestling, there was a

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big recent departure from AW last week
Doctor Tred that I think you and I

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both would say was startling from the
front office and was actually a really entertaining

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guy intelligence as well, and that
was one qt Marshall. He reportedly will

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be exiting out Reportedly he confirmed it
on his Twitter. He is exiting AW,

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and it's reportedly happening because they are
starting to shift their focus as a

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company. This comes to us from
Wrestling Inc. However, there is more

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to Marshall's decision to resign from AW
than just not getting the wrestle as often.

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He'd like the word out there that
he wanted to wrestle more. Marshall

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referenced AW quote heading in a different
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and according to has of Wrestling,
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Sources shared Marshall's belief that AW was
operating more in the style of New

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Japan par Wrestling, putting heavy emphasis
on matches and wrestling and far less on

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storylines and angles as a preferred taste
of con That vision no longer aligned with

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what Marshall thought the company should be
doing. So obviously, Marshall comes from

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the school I thought of still having
some good matches, but also focusing on

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storylines and angles, and we have
seen that play out with AW. I

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would say over the last couple of
months on this entire thing. So a

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recent departure like QT Marshall Doctor Trey
opened the door for major changes. Where

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do you stand on this? Do
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of AW if it's more like New
Japan Pro Wrestling with a heavy emphasis on

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matches and wrestling far less on storylines
and angles, or are you team QT

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here where still strong matches but just
as equally strong storylines and angles. I

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mean, as my personal taste,
I'm kind of on QT Sidier, Like

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what got me into wrestling was not
just the in ring stuff, but it

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was the drama behind the scenes,
like the storytelling, like why are these

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two guys fighting other than just I
want to prove I'm better than you,

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Like if I want to watch that, I can watch UFC and they do

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it quote unquote for real as opposed
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So I like the storytelling aspect because
that's what got me invested as a

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kid. It was the Von Erickson, the Freebirds, it was Dusty and

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Flair, it was Hogan and Andrea, Like those storylines were what got me

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into wrestling. You know. From
another aspect of it, it's got to

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be weird to be running, you
know, the Nightmare Factory with its ties

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to AW when the owner is now
in WWE. So that's got to be

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kind of awkward as well for a
guy like QT who's the head trainer at

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the Nightmare Factory. Yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying. Going

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back to the direction of the company, I think when I look at how

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the show was built heading into Wrestle
Dream, AW was built heading into Wrestle

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Dream that was very standard New Japan
pro wrestling, not a lot of storylines,

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not a lot of angles, but
a really strong show from an in

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ring standpoint professional wrestling. And it
was a very solid show. It was

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not like anything I was excited for
going into it, and then looking at

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Full Gear, there were some good
storylines, good angles, good matches,

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and I enjoyed Full Gear more than
I enjoyed Wrestle Dream, and I thought

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it was a very solid show for
All Lee Wrestling. So I'm kind of

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confused by the story because if you
asked me back in mid October that this

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is the direction that we're going on, be all on board. But here

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we sit on September or December seventh, and I'm not convinced that AW is

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fully following the model of New Japan. Yeah, I think what they're trying

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to do is find that ballance.
And I think you can use wwe like

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on Raw kind of an example of
what the balance kind of should be where

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Look, we had a great match
a few weeks between American Alpha and the

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Green Brothers out of Nowhere, and
there's no storyline, just hey, this

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is their debut, their open challenge, let me see what they can do.

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But we also have great storylines as
well, and I think AW is

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trying to balance the vision of the
younger generation focusing on match quality with the

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focus of like a Jericho or a
Mode or some of those older guys that

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like, no, we need some
storylines as well. I think that's why

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you have a guy like Brian Danielson
to help guide it, because Danielson may

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be the best blend of what we
talk about with balancing great in ring work

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with great storytelling. Over you know
his career, he's a model for kind

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of what you want a good show
to be. Right now, Yeah,

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I could, I could see Danielson
being that way, but I don't know.

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I don't know. I mean from
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that. I don't know if I
would trust Danielson with the entertainment side,

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Doctor Trey. I gotta be honest, No, no, not completely.

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But that's also why you have a
Jericho there, but like you have those

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voices in a room where he's kind
of like if you take let's say,

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let's take you know, the Young
Bucks, just based on stereotype of what

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they are. You have the Young
Bucks, the newer generation, the flashy

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moves, the indie style wrestling.
Then you have a jericho who's more the

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old school style of wrestling. Daniel
Wilson kind of does land in the middle

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of those two styles. So that
way you can kind of make some match

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a show where you have the great
in ring matches that may not have a

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build up, but then you can
have the storyline matchups as well. And

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that's kind of like I'm saying,
like, that's kind of what we're seeing

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on Monday Night Raw a lot of
times, is hey, we got three

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or four really good storylines running,
but then hey we can throw in a

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twenty minute match with no build up
and still get you invested in it as

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well. When Danielson is like an
entertaining character. He is top notch,

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I mean one of the best,
I mean absolutely amazing team. He'll no

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I think when it comes to like
the way AW is being built right now

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and where I'd like to see them
go. I always remember this line from

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Jim Ross where it's like I like
mistake, but I also like my sizzle.

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And you need a reason why you
want to watch a professional arrest match,

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especially for a pl E a pay
per view, like where a conclusion

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is coming up on a story,
and that's where it usually took place,

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was on the pl pay per view, and it still is that model today.

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I feel like nowadays match quality is
through the roof. You have a

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show where if it's all the wrestling
and there's nine to eleven matches like they

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typically run out of nine to eleven
matches will be high quality and you're gonna

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find it very difficult to be like
this match is flat out stung. They're

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all very solid, good matches.
Same thing with w W. There could

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be five matches like at Wargames,
seven matches like NXC Deadline on Saturday,

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and it's very hard to find poor
match quality. Nowadays, the in ring

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stuff is amazing, so when you
look at the equivalency on both sides of

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in ring. That's great, But
what do American fans Wrestling fans gravitate towards

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words, Well, they were really
behind the Bloodline storyline. They're really entertained

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by the Judgment Day. They're intrigued
as to how CM punk is going to

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be portrayed on television, Randy Orton
returning and sending his sights on the Bloodline.

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They're intrigued by who is behind the
Devil mask with MJF storyline right now.

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I don't like thrown together, no
nonsense matches. I like the Continental

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Classic. There's a reason behind that. There's not an actual storyline other than

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you've got twelve wrestlers battling it out
to be crowned the first champion. I

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don't like when all the wrestling like
this past week's edition of Collision, where

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there's just a bunch of these matches
thrown together. They're standby matches that aw

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was calling them. It comes off
like a shitshell. I like New Japan.

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I like their style of match quality, but their most popular size sig

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ever was win The Bullet Club was
tearing up stuff with Kenny Omega and the

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Young Bucks, and they were doing
a great job with merch sales and how

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was that going on? Well,
they were entertaining people on being the elite,

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they were entertaining people at ROH,
they were entertaining people on New Japan

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shows. There was angles and storylines
and feeling towards it. I just think

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that to not have storylines and angles
be a focus as equal to match quality,

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Doctor Trey is not a strong business
model. Yeah. I mean,

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if you want to watch athletic competitions, you can find sports on any channel

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and look. I enjoy a good
tennis match occasionally, but when John McEnroe

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was playing, or there's some how
about Tiger Woods and golf, Tiger Woods

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in golf, if there's an intrigue
into storyline. I always told people like,

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I'm not a big UFC guy,
but I was when Chuck Lendell,

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Tito Ortiz and Rampage Jackson were there
because those guys could entertain me leading into

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a fight. So you need that
extra layer. Like people forget that.

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Yes, wrestling is an at it
should be athletic endeavor, but it's a

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television show. You have to still
give me a reason to tune in the

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following week. I mean, I
thought the ending to Raw this past week

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was great because now I want to
see what happens next week with the fallout

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from Drew McIntyre taking out Jay Husso
and seth Rawlins. I want to see

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what Cmpu's gonna say next. I
want to see who the next guy to

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step up to Gunther is. Like
those are things I want to see,

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and those are storylines, and the
match quality is great, but it's still

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the storyline that intrigues me, because, like I said, you can watch

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tennis, golf, baseball, like, look, you and I love baseball,

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and I can watch an Astros Twins
game and be like, Okay,

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it's good. It's a good baseball
game. But if you give me a

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reason to watch, like oh,
it's actually Game seven of the ALCS,

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now, there's an extra layer of
intrig to it, and you probably good

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point with the Continental Classic, like
I can watch that and I don't need

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storylines for why these two guys are
fighting, because the ultimate prize is why

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they're fighting. And I think that's
one thing AW has done poorly over its

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four years is the prestige of each
title. Now, if you don't have

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a storyline. At least the title
is prestigious because there's just kind of too

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many titles. Yeah, I'm I'm
yeah, I mean adding another championship.

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I mean I thought about this the
other day during the Continental Classic because I

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was watching Collision and I really like
what they're doing the Continental Classic. But

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it's like in WWE, I know
what the secondary title is to the World

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Championship, and that's Inner Continental,
that's the United States. I have no

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fucking clue what is an AW I
mean, I thought it was the International

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Championship. I was I saying,
did you know there's a Ring of Ter

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TV title tournament going on right now? Uh? Is it just on ROH

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Television? I guess So I saw
somebody mentioned there day. I was like,

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I didn't even they haven't even talked
about it on any of the show.

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I mean, Joe dropped the championship. I would imagine it's just strictly

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on rh So, I mean again, I can't I can't watch r OH.

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I mean I would, I would
be divorced at this point. So,

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but so, at the end of
this tournament, there's going to be

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a Continental champions So they're the champion
of just our continents or all the contents.

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Yeah, I mean, what's the
difference between that championship and the international

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And then what's the difference between that
and TNT title. I mean, I

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don't know what their second in command
title is. I mean, everybody just

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as a championship, it's it's way
too much. And then not only that,

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but then you're compared. You're adding
it along the same lineage as the

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ROH World Championship and the New Japan
Strong open Weight Championship, which to me,

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the ROH World Title at one time, I mean, this could be

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a show in itself, was one
of the most prestigious championships in all of

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wrestling in the when they like first
launched the first ten years of ROH Like

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that was a big deal when a
title changed hands in ROA. And now

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it's just being added as a world
title as part of a triple crown.

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Like cool, you're bringing it back
a triple crown idea, But you're just

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I don't know, like that's just
crazy to me. The ROH World Championship

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is not on the same level as
the Continental title. It's also not on

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the same level as the New Japan
Strong open Weight Championship. But yeah,

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we're getting off on a little bit
of a tangent. But then again,

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I mean again, if QT Marshall
left AW because of the direction that's changing,

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it's it's not a direction that I
would love because I could see great

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match quality anywhere. You gotta have
some sizzles to that stake as well,

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and getting me involved as to why
I want to see this match is big.

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I mean, take the Hangman Page
Swart Strickling match. That feud has

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been so like Short and Doctor Trey
and I in recapping Full Gear, we're

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literally talking about is this a Feud
of the Year candidate? And it's been

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going on for maybe two and a
half months at best. That's how good

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the feud has been. And why
people really involved in that Texas Death match

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at Full Gear outside of the spots
leading into it, it meant something and

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that's what you want as a professional
wrestling fan is you get the great match.

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But it's got to mean something.
So we'll see, we'll see what

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the direction is a big change there
in All Elite Wrestling with QT Marshall leaving

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the company here in the coming weeks
or basically wrapping up or he has wrapped

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up. I think he was closing
out in the end of this month from

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All Lead Wrestling. Where he ends
up next is anybody's guests. If I

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had a guess w W, I
know MLW Major League Wrestling is very interesting

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and well as well. But I
think if i'm WW, you go grab

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QT Marshall and you listen to Cody
rhoad is telling you about signing him keeping

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with All Lait Wrestling, Doctor Trey. There is a report out there that

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backstage in AW there is negative negativity
from those in and around All Lead Wrestling

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right now. The story comes to
us from Has of Wrestling this past Saturday

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and i AW present in its latest
episode of Collision, taking place from the

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Erie Insurance aren in Eerie, Pennsylvania. According to wrestle Tics, the venue

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was equipped to seat twenty four hundred
and seventy four fans and only fell short

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of that goal by two hundred and
sixteen tickets. The source for all Things

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Pro Wrestling and Tennis Numbers added later
that based on photos they gathered from the

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event they asked meant they were likely
closer to seventeen hundred or eighteen hundred fans

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on the most recent Wrestling Server Radio
this week, Dave Mountser revealed that he

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has received negative feedback about aw from
people in and around the promotion. One

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of the reasons for the negativity given
to him was the poor crowd that he

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drew for Collision this past weekend.
It was noted that the company's currently grossing

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a lot of money, but many
so question how much profit is being made.

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So there's a lot of discussions right
now around negativity, around in and

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around all the wrestling. Doctor Trey, I am watching Collision, but I'm

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telling you what, it's very hard
to I don't know if you are Doctor

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Trey, but it has went from
a show over the summer that I really

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enjoy and it was a great watch
and a great equal to Dynamite, to

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basically another hour of rampage. They
had three strong matches for the Continental Classic

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00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.720
on this most recent edition of Collision, and then the rest of the episode

403
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.119
was basically filled by what they were
calling these standby matches. Whether it was

404
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:26.240
like Kip Sabian versus Lho Delva Kingo, which is a great match but had

405
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.960
no meaning behind it at all.
It was like a complete felt like a

406
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.400
waste of a watch, which is
not a good trend. And then for

407
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:38.559
me as a viewer at home,
I have noticed on television that the attendance

408
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:44.200
for collision has been very poor.
It's very noticeable in certain camera shots.

409
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.599
To do a good job of hiding
it up. I hate to take shots

410
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.440
at them for but it is very
noticeable. There was a show in Utah,

411
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.480
I think Salt Lake City a couple
months ago, maybe a month or

412
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:57.400
two ago, now what was Adam
Copan was involved, so maybe early October,

413
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.559
and it it was very noticeable that
there were a lot of empty seats

414
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:08.400
and it was brutal negativity surrounding all
elite wrestling right now, Doctor Trey,

415
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:12.599
I guess even with cmpunk gone,
people are still being negative behind the scenes.

416
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.240
Yeah. I mean I literally thought
that see them Punk was the cause

417
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:19.880
of all their problems. That's what
I was always told, like, Punk

418
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.799
is the reason why they were Everybody
was unhappy and negative, and you know,

419
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:30.640
it is one of those things where
it feels like an episode of Family

420
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.960
Guy sometimes. And when I say
that, there's a great reference on South

421
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.720
Park back of the day about how
the Family Guy writers right, and they

422
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.759
basically just kind of let these uh, random thought bubbles populated, So I

423
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.599
think it's fish like certain fishes eat
that. Yet we're going with that one.

424
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.400
That one in that one's almost like
it's almost like mad lips if you

425
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.400
wear mad lips, like throwing that
random noun and a verb, and we'll

426
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:56.680
just go with that. Like I
think they do put a decent job of

427
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.160
trying to focus on their top talent. But if you're not one of the

428
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:06.240
shiny toys and Tony Kahan's toy chests, like you kind of get thrown by

429
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.640
to the wayside, and whether it's
stand by matches or you know, the

430
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.039
final, the final or the zero
hour matches on a on a pay per

431
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.920
view that don't make sense, but
hey, we're paying you, so we

432
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.240
gotta have you work a match every
so often. It just does kind of

433
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.279
feel like it's a little bit all
over the place like it it does doesn't

434
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:29.079
feel like it's an organized, cohesive
unit. And you know, I tell

435
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:30.640
the reporting, like you know,
their wonder gut they're actually making a profit.

436
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.880
I don't know how they're making money. I really don't. I mean

437
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.839
unless they say they are about one
hundred and seventy and eighty million in the

438
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.319
Green this year. That's what I
read, I believe. I mean,

439
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:47.759
unless Warner and that Warner Brothers Discovery
Media is paying them really good for their

440
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:53.119
TV rights. I just I don't
see it. Like their merchandise is okay.

441
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.200
But like when I go out in
public, I see LA Night shirts,

442
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.960
I'll see your Roman Race shirts.
I don't see an MJF shirt.

443
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.519
I have never seen anybody wear an
MJF shirt out in public. I've never

444
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.559
seen anybody wear a Kenny Omega shirt
out in public. You know, maybe

445
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.279
a couple of Bullet Club shirts,
but those kind of came from New Japan.

446
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.319
Like you just don't see the merchandise
out there. Like luckily they have

447
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:22.920
their toy sales, but and they're
really pushing that there. There's a season

448
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.000
two pass to download for their AEW
game, which I didn't even buy,

449
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.920
and I buy almost every wrestling game
ever. So I just don't know where

450
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.839
they're making their money at because it
can't be just off. Maybe it's pay

451
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.759
per view buys and the numbers are
better than you and I think they are,

452
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.160
but I just don't know how they
say that, Hey, we made

453
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.519
one hundred and eighty million dollars with
a roster as large as it is and

454
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:51.559
without a huge other stream coming in. I don't know if their international media

455
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.359
sales are better than we think as
well. Maybe that's where it's coming from,

456
00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.160
and maybe they just have a bigger
overseas market than we think. So

457
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:05.799
all In welln't believe. End of
August, as we all know, broke

458
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.799
attendance records and then six weeks later
in Salt Lake City, they could barely

459
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.599
fill an arena for Collision. That
is very concerning. I think a lot

460
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.799
of people were very excited and hyped
up for all In and made a point

461
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.880
to go there, and it makes
a ton of sense for the first one

462
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.920
and to break the record be there
aw on this grand stage, and I'm

463
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:30.000
all for it. This upcoming all
In in twenty twenty four August twenty twenty

464
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.240
four is going to be a very
big deal because how many seats do they

465
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.359
fill this go around? If they
fill sixty thousand seats instead of eighty thousands,

466
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.759
is that, you know, is
that a loss for them? I

467
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.640
still at sixty thousand fucking people still
be a letdown because that'd be like,

468
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.480
you know, that's like we did
WrestleMania one year in Arlington and came back

469
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.480
a couple years later. If they
were like, hey, our attendance is

470
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.599
thirty thousand lessons than it was three
years ago, huge hit. Well.

471
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:06.640
I saw that the seating chart for
all In, and I think they're chalking

472
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.000
this up to literally Taylor Swift performing
in Wembley like either the next day or

473
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:16.320
a couple days later. It is
not the same stage. It's considerably different.

474
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:22.559
Like I think that the way that
the chart was released, my investigative

475
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.920
work is telling them that they're kind
of a bigger stage for this one,

476
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.079
rather than the stage where they just
kind of like what WWE has been doing

477
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.440
laid lately, with a bunch of
LEDs on like the side of the stands,

478
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.800
and they're coming through the backstage area, so the nobody is being blocked

479
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.599
behind them and you could sell as
many seats as possible, which is very

480
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:44.440
logical thinking. It seems like this
is going to be more of like the

481
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.239
normal typical stages that you see at
Dynamiter Collision where people behind the stage obviously

482
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.320
aren't going to be seated, and
I think it's going to be all In,

483
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.480
so I would expect as of right
now, unless there's like a huge

484
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:59.159
demand for the tickets that it will
be less seats. Tony Con said on

485
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.159
the first day of sale that they
grossed over four million dollars, which is

486
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.159
phenomenal. But you know, as
an aw fan, I can tell you

487
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.519
right now they've done some shows near
by me that I haven't been interested in

488
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.159
going to, like they've did the
first time they brought Dynamite up to my

489
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.400
neck of the woods for the first
time, I immediately went enjoyed the show,

490
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.800
was very excited for it. They've
come up here since, and there's

491
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.320
really nothing that gets me excited for
There are a stretch of weeks that I'm

492
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.920
really into what they're doing in Ellite
Wrestling, and then there's this period of

493
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.239
time like with Collision and even Rampage
beforehand, I was like, man,

494
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.599
what the fuck did I just watch? Like if you get to a point

495
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:43.519
where like this is how I was
with w while we were doing this podcast

496
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.920
in the early twenty tens. I
would watch just raw and I think I

497
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.679
even said it on the show,
and I would not watch SmackDown because SmackDown

498
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.519
was a total waste of time.
Obviously it's changed, it has since changed,

499
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.360
but Dynamite to me, is not
a waste of time. You and

500
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.119
I are recording this shortly before Dynamite
goes on the air. I'll go sit

501
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.400
down and watch Dynamite. It will
probably be a phenomenal show. But I

502
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.360
will really think to myself at the
end of Rampage on Friday night whenever I

503
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.880
watch it, and Saturday with Collision, like should I be watching these shows?

504
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.440
I literally thought that Doctor Trey watching
Collision this past week. That was

505
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.159
I don't know if you saw it, but it was not a good episode

506
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.480
of Collision. Yeah I watched.
I didn't watch it live because it just

507
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.199
family and every things. I usually
watch it when I'm traveling and throw it

508
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.960
on the throat on the phone and
or throw on the iPad and watch it

509
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:35.440
back that way. But yeah,
there are times that reminds me. I

510
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.760
won't say the end of w c
W bad, but it does remind me

511
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:44.920
of those SmackDown days with like Nathan
Jones where you're like, what the why

512
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.840
am I? What am I doing? Why am I here? Like Chuck

513
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.920
Palumbo's restling brock lesnar in the main
event, Like why am I? Why

514
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.280
am I watching this? Like this
is just ridiculous to me? So yeah,

515
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:59.360
it does have some Like like you
said, Dynamite's been a really consistently

516
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.199
good show, Like there are episodes, obviously they're a little worse than others,

517
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.440
but yeah, like, and I
hate saying it, but ever since

518
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:10.159
Punk kind of left the company,
Collision has fallen way down. Rampage is

519
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.639
just I can't watch Rampage, Like
there's nothing redeemable about for me to watch

520
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.239
Rampage. I haven't watched a Rampage
episode like six months. There's no reason

521
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.559
to. Yeah, that's sad.
Yeah, and then you're just you know,

522
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.679
then it's I'm also like, you're
just stealing discoveries of money with Rampage.

523
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.159
But Collisions started off really, really
good, and I've checked it out

524
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.639
a couple of times because everybody kept
telling me that it was really good,

525
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.960
and so I started watching it a
little more consistently. And then, like

526
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:38.840
you said, like I have episodes
whre, I'm like, well that was

527
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:45.280
a waste, Like the show accomplished
nothing in this past week with Collision,

528
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:46.400
Like the three matches of the Condos
class, I'm like, hey, these

529
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.199
are really good, but then I'm
sitting through these other matchs. I'm like,

530
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.159
I I can't remember the last time
I saw Kip saying it on TV.

531
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.119
Yeah, but let alone in a
match with you know, this match,

532
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.679
if you had a decent cruiserweight or
mid card idol that made sense and

533
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:07.039
you're like hel He the KINGO and
kids say they are challenging for the aw

534
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.119
cruiserweight title. Man, I can
I can watch that, But just to

535
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:15.039
have a throwaway match like that,
it's just it also diminishes what you think

536
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.760
of those people in the eyes of
your fan. If you call it,

537
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.159
oh, this is just a standby
match, well, now the crowd,

538
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.920
now your audience goes, oh,
these guys aren't even worth beinging a storyline,

539
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.400
so now you got to rebuild them
back up if you ever want to

540
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.199
invest in them again. Is just
poor decision making booking process for some of

541
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.639
these lower tier guys, and it
just makes it just like you said it,

542
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.320
Like, if you tell me it's
a standby match, it's like me

543
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:44.360
watching a double a baseball game for
fun, Like, okay, great,

544
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.360
somebody might do something four years from
now. Great, I can say I

545
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:53.599
saw Anderson, Oh who's the guy? Blah blah bah bah Jorge Solaire,

546
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:59.440
I saw Jorge Solaire in double A
baseball here in Huntsville. Yay, that's

547
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:04.239
kind of what it. The equivalent
for me is so back to your One

548
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.280
of your points you made there earlier
was like the roster and not getting enough

549
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:13.360
TV time. Aly Wrestling probably has
more wrestlers on a contract. Th wa

550
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:19.119
Is that fair to say? If
you count an XT, I would say

551
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.559
it's probably the same, but eight
you might have a few. I think

552
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:29.159
if you count all everybody, it's
about equal. So I think they have

553
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.559
a major problem because of the amount
of championships they have, the amount of

554
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.559
wrestlers that they have that there are
a lot of good talent that aren't getting

555
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.280
enough TV time. Keep saving bringing
him up as an example again is one

556
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:49.159
of them. Miro comes and goes
as the storyline is focused on or not.

557
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:57.400
It's often confusing. It's it's strange
the way that they book things.

558
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:02.119
It I can understand and why there's
negativity if I'm a wrestler and I'm back

559
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.920
stage and aw and I'm not being
used again because it's like just wasting my

560
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.599
career. Why I just thought of
this. So we watched the last the

561
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.000
last pay per view, and they
had the really good matching Buddy Murphy and

562
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:20.639
Claudio, and they had previously had
the tag Magic with Claudio and Wheeler against

563
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.480
Buddy, and I think it was
was it Malachi or Brody in that match,

564
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.199
but they were teasing, hey,
this you know the House of Black

565
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.559
and in Blackpool Combat Club they're one
and one, and then what do they

566
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.559
do coming out of it? Nothing? House of Blacks transitioning to FTR and

567
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.079
three members of the Blackpool Combat Club
are in the tournament. It's like,

568
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.079
are they thinking storylines even more than
a month or two ahead or is it

569
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.440
that's It's stuff like that that drives
me nuts because I thought they were setting

570
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.039
up a few between Blackpool Combat Club
and House of Black, which signed me

571
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.639
up for that. And then they
don't go that way. They et and

572
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.000
go a completely different direction, and
then you have the great rivalry with Swerve

573
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.800
and Hangman, but now serves in
this tournament where there can be no outside

574
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:14.920
interference. So I think in that
instance, I think that Daniel Brian's Brian

575
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.519
Danielson eye injury caused that storyline to
be shoved because remember they were like coming

576
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.840
the A to FTR. Yeah,
but couldn't you still do like could you

577
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.559
take Moxley and Claudia out of this
tournament, put two other people in there

578
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.760
and still do Moxley, Claudio and
the Judah against the House of Black.

579
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:37.440
I think they were trying to get
towards Danielson and Alice a Black. Yeah,

580
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:38.519
but then you can have you guys. I know they could have.

581
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.280
But yeah, I'm with you.
I'm with you on a lot of this

582
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.760
there. I mean, how many
storylines do we see stop and go?

583
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:51.960
I mean it's been weeks since that
whole CJ. Perry storyline with you know,

584
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.800
representing your clients with Andrede l Edelo
and Miro. I don't know if

585
00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:00.559
there was injuries or people not being
a television or whatever, but like it

586
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.360
was two three weeks ago, and
then it was brought back up again that

587
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.360
Miro won't touch on Drada and I
was like, man, I kind of

588
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.280
forgot about this, and that happens
often with aw like even with the Golden

589
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.239
Jets and the don Kallis family,
Like, why is that on pause right

590
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.320
now? Well, and then you
invest money in CJ. Perry, you

591
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.360
align with Ondrade, and then you
stick in Drade in a tournament where he

592
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.000
can't have a manager at ringside.
Yeah, yeah, I know she actually

593
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.159
stood by ringside her a little bit
too long this past Saturday's collision. Actually

594
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.400
the referee to tell her to go
to the back. I don't know if

595
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.159
she actually knew that. You know, there's been a period of time too

596
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.280
where Tony Kahn just another thing they
were really booking the hell out of.

597
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:43.079
Kyle Fletcher was very extremely talented.
He eventually sides with Don Kallis, and

598
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.440
Don Kallis had this line of like
I want to mentor you you're gonna be

599
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.920
my protege, and they've done like
nothing to follow up on that, and

600
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.079
I don't think that's a line that
Don Kallis says on television if it wasn't

601
00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:00.360
meant to do something on TV.
So I don't know. We can we

602
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:06.360
can go back and forth about this
for a long time on the way that

603
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:12.880
they're booking, but there is support
reportedly negativity and turmoil again in and around

604
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.960
All Lead Wrestling right now. It's
a shame because they're getting ready for the

605
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:20.880
five year anniversary, which is insane
of their launch. I think was on

606
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:25.320
New Year's Day on Being the Elite
that aaw was announced as a promotion and

607
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.599
they wrapped up with The Wrestler Kingdom
shortly thereafter. Then they had the launch

608
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.360
stuff in February in Las Vegas and
then had Double or Nothing their first show

609
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.360
where Moxley debuted in May twenty nineteen. So it's all coming up on five

610
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years, and I think all in
all, Doctor Trey as a business I

611
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.599
still like AW. I'm an AW
fan, but the luster is and the

612
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.840
shine has certainly come off a little
bit by AW because the way that they

613
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.480
booked themselves, and like the confusing
nature of their storylines, the confusing nature

614
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.440
of why so many titles, the
confusing nature of like what the fuck is

615
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.079
Ring of on Herd at this point? Like really, like what are we

616
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.840
doing? Like what is ro oh
all in all like? And who's an

617
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.199
RH wrestler, Who's an AW wrestler. It's it's just all confusing, and

618
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.119
I think that falls at the feet
of Tony Kahn. Ultimately, it does

619
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:19.719
fall the feet of Tony kh I
think if you graded it as Hey as

620
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.239
a wrestling company, how is there
a ring product five years in their Their

621
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.760
in ring product is great, they
have phenomenal matches all the time. But

622
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.639
if you look as like, how
is it as a wrestling company, I

623
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would say, you know, be
minus, you know, probably I don't.

624
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.559
I think they're above average, but
I don't think they're as close to

625
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.559
WWE as I think they want to
think. I think they're better than what

626
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.920
impact TNA wants back in the day, you know, so at least they

627
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.079
have that. But really, I
mean for a five year old company,

628
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they were going to have growing pains. They're going to have issues, They're

629
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.239
going to have organizational issues because what
happens is the same thing that happens with

630
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.320
my company, is they go,
we grew too fast and don't have the

631
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.239
right infrastructure. Then you'res trying to
play catch up with the infrastructure while still

632
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:06.320
growing a brand, and you start
falling behind. It's really hard to catch

633
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:07.880
up. I think that's what they're
running into right now more than anything else.

634
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.719
Yeah, it's strange, strange,
trained stuff with all the wrestler right

635
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.559
now, but again, more negativity
surrounding. I read a report tonight going

636
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.760
to the show that I guess if
wrestlers complain about the company and where they're

637
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.280
being booked on social media now.
Brian Danielson, as part of the Disciplinary

638
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.880
Committee, has the authority to find
them, and he has already find multiple

639
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.760
people. So I don't know if
I agree with that, but I guess

640
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.039
you should keep things tight lift in
aw but finding people for social media,

641
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.880
maybe just teach them to be professional. I guess maybe they have, maybe

642
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.320
they have tried. Nonetheless, NXC
Deadline preview predictions this Saturday from the Total

643
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:53.960
Mortgage Arena in Bridgeport, Connecticut,
the final WWE show for the Ples in

644
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:58.840
twenty twenty three. Let's get to
the pre show match here. Doctor Trey

645
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.440
Axim versus Nathan Fraser was supposed to
take place on Tuesday's edition of man X

646
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.519
Television. It was interrupted by the
women involved in the Women's Irons Harber Challenge

647
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.480
match. I'm gonna go with the
axiom this going around, Doctor Trey.

648
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.280
I know I'm way behind you,
so I gotta play contrarian on a few

649
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.800
of these. So I'm gonna take
Nathan Fraser because I think this might be

650
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.280
a Nathan Fraser heel turn. So
I'll take Nathan Fraser. Next match is

651
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:30.320
Carmelo Hayes taken on Lexus King.
Uh. If you had told me a

652
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.039
year ago this would be a match
at XT, I would have told you

653
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.519
you're out of your mind. And
I love Brian Pilder like he's one of

654
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.800
my favorite people I know. So
I am taking Lexus King getting the upset

655
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:44.360
win heres because I think you're you've
booked him really strong. I think he's

656
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:49.360
got to steal a victory to kind
of give that credibility why he's already in

657
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.519
the main event picture. So I'll
take a Lexus King. We've seen a

658
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.960
couple l's lately from Carmelo Hayes.
I think that continues as well. I

659
00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:00.599
am taking Lexus King on Saturday,
uh steel Cage Mac with Roxanne Perez taking

660
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:06.440
on Keana James. This has been
a decent feud played out on NXC television.

661
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.679
I'm interested to see how this match
plays out in a steel cage.

662
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.679
I'm going to go with Kana James
to get the victory or Doctor Trey.

663
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.599
Yeah, I would probably there,
but once again, I'm an play contrarian

664
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.920
just because I'm behind. So I'm
gonna take Roxanne because you got her.

665
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.239
She's a former NAC Women's champion and
they haven't done much since she lost the

666
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.480
belt, So I think you gotta
give a little bit of love back to

667
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:34.719
the original Prodigy Roxanmperez. Next match
year is Dirty Domisterio taking on Dragon Lee

668
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.639
for the NXC North American Championship.
Unfortunate news as this was supposed to be

669
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.320
wes Lee in the match, challenging
and I would have him getting the victory.

670
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.559
He is out with an injury,
a back injury. I guess he

671
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.000
needs back surgery and he'll be out
for eight to twelve months recordedly. That

672
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.000
is a huge bumber because wes Lee
has been a really big breakouts on the

673
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.920
NXC brand. Doctor Trey, who
do you like in this one? In

674
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.679
the NXC North American Championhip match?
Do you think they just said, oh

675
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.280
damn west Lee's out, Can we
get Dragon Lee? Because at least then

676
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.239
we don't have really change we like
they have to change like half the name

677
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.639
plate on the introductions. I don't
know, it's always possible. This one's

678
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:15.840
tricky for me just because of the
stuff going on with Dragon Lee and Santo's

679
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.760
Escobar and the LWO and Ray and
then there's dom I think the injury changes

680
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.840
the plans. I think dom retains. I'll take Dominic Masterira retaining the title

681
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.280
right now. Yeah, I like
you, Doctor Trey Am taking Dirty Dom

682
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.760
to win this one. I think
Santos Escobar gets involved to further that storyline

683
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.519
with Dragon Lee and Ray Mysterio.
Ray Masterio will be in the corner of

684
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.280
Dragon Lee on Saturday, and I
think he helps Dirty Dom retain over Dragon

685
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.280
Lee. Next match here. I
really enjoyed these matches a year ago,

686
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.800
so I'm excited to see them take
place again. It's the Men's Iron Survivor

687
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.280
Challenge match. You have die Jack, Trick Williams, Josh Briggs, bron

688
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.159
Breaker, and Tyler Bate all in
this match. The winner just becomes the

689
00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.159
number one contender to the nc Championship. I'm having a real tough time I'm

690
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.639
picking this one. They had Tyler
Bait standing tall at the end of NXC

691
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.320
this past week. I think de
Jack has a feud in place with Eddie

692
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:13.039
Thorpe. Trick Williams has a potential
feud with either Carmelo Hayes and or Lexis

693
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.679
King. I think Josh Briggs could
be a winner here, bron Breaker could

694
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.800
be a winner here, Tyler Bait
could be a Bringer here. Winner here.

695
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.440
I'm gonna take bron Breaker to get
the victory, though, I think

696
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.199
we're gonna go to bron Breaker versus
Elia Dragonoff rather soon, Doctor Trice.

697
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.599
I'm taking the badass bron Breaker.
Yeah. I've gone back and forth because

698
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.840
last year Waller won, nobody expected
that, so I'm kind of and then

699
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.199
I always kind of play off of
the the champions at baby Face, So

700
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.760
you kind of want to pick a
heel just because storyline wise it makes sense.

701
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.519
So you know, for me,
it came down to it came out

702
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.119
of die Jack Breaker and breaks.
It is because Briggs was the most odd

703
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:53.320
person thrown into this match. Damn. I want to pick against you,

704
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.119
but I think I'm a lean bron
Breaker also because you kind of got to

705
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.639
re establish braun given like kind you
guys ask kick by von Wagner a few

706
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.039
weeks ago, so you've got to
re establish a broad breaker if you're gonna

707
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.039
move him up or whatever we do
with him. So I'll take Breaker getting

708
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.599
the win as well. Next match
here is the Women's Honors and Arbor Challenge

709
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.400
to the determined the number one contender
for the NXC Women's Championship. You've got

710
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.840
Tiffany Stratton, Lash Legend, Blair
Davenport, Klannie Jordan and Fallon Henley,

711
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.239
Doctor Trey, Who do you likeing
this one? This one's hard for me

712
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.840
because I really want to pick Tiffany
Stratton just because I think Tiffany Stratton and

713
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.239
uh William Valkyrie. I can't.
I can't say hurt. I can't lie

714
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.440
of Valkyrie Lion Valkyrie. Usually I'm
the one I have in trouble with names.

715
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.000
I know, right, I think
I'm gonna take Blair Davenport, though

716
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.400
I think that she's come along really
well, So I'm gonna take Blair getting

717
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:44.360
the surprise he win it this one. I'm gonna take Tiffany Stratton to get

718
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.960
the victory here. Another easy pick
or safe pick, I should say,

719
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.599
But I do feel like they're gonna
go in the direction of Tiffany versus Lia

720
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:57.400
Valkyria going forward here in twenty twenty
four, and then finally for the NXC

721
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.599
Championship of Elia Dragonoff defending again,
it's Baron Corbyn, doctor Trey. I'm

722
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:06.599
gonna take Elia dragon Off to retain. I really want to pig Baron Corbin.

723
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.599
I really want to thee Baron getna
win here. But yeah, I'm

724
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.800
with you. I think they're gonna
keep the belts on Ilia because I think

725
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.559
Ili and Brown's gonna be a great
match as well. So I'll tell you

726
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.599
Ilia Dragon now getting a win.
So there you go. There's our previewing

727
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:23.360
predictions for NXC Deadline pl LEAVI Saturday
from Bridgeport, Connecticut. We will recap

728
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:28.159
and review it all on next week's
edition of the show on December fourteenth.

729
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week on the fourteenth to recap review. NXC Deadline will obviously recap everything that's

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going on the world professional wrestling on
next week's sedition in the show. In

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two weeks, on the twenty first, we will have our look back at

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on Thursday in just three weeks. It's

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our twenty twenty three SRT Award show. It's the last show of the year,

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and then we kick off twenty twenty
four on January the fourth, without

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our twenty twenty four wrestling preview show, which will also include our bold predictions

757
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and wrestling many forty card predictions.
All that and more on tap here in

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the coming weeks as we are one
more show left and then we are in

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the holiday programming schedule here on the
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