Roman Reigns Is Overrated?! Punk & Owens Get Personal | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #861 – 8/13/26

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It's still prudent to be damaged in this!

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Welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's This Is Still Realest Show,

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Episode 861 for August 13th, 2026.

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Welcome to this week's edition of S.R.T.U.

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I am one episode show, I am Jeff Packard.

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Typically joined every single week.

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I might also only Dr. Trey Franklin,

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and typically asked here, "Dr. Trey, what makes up my friend?"

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We are Dr. Treyless, a little bit of a family emergency going on

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with his dog this evening, wishing him and his family nothing but the best.

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But when we sat down here to record tonight,

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Dr. Trey had to handle stuff at home, which is most important.

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So just keep him in his family and your thoughts right now

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is as they navigate issue with the family pet right now.

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And anybody who has a dog, I'm a dog lover, I have a dog.

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Actually, she barked about two seconds before I hit the record

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on this entire thing.

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Notice that pets are just as equally important to a family structure

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than anyone else.

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And I always say this all the time with my own dog that I wish

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there were more dogs.

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Or actually that I wish that dogs lived longer than people

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because we just have them for such a short amount of time

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and they're very, very special parts of the family.

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And just nothing but the best of Dr. Trey and family right now.

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No easier way to segue into a wrestling conversation

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after a pretty interesting and serious family matter

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going on with one of our own, Dr. Trey,

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then to try to transfer this over to professional wrestling

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talk this week.

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So it's going to be a solo dole show.

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And we're going to break it all down from this past week,

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some of the news and notes that have come out

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of the world professional wrestling.

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And yeah, just kind of give my thoughts

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for the next 30, 45 minutes, however long this takes.

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It's been a couple solo shows that I've done as of late.

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So yeah, I talked to myself typically.

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So why not just talk to myself now here in the microphone.

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Let's start things off here where Friday of last week,

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Conrad Thompson got a lot of wrestling discourse going.

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Conrad Thompson, as I'm sure all of you know,

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famous wrestling podcast host, something to wrestle with,

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with Bruce Pritchard, 83 weeks with Eric Bischoff,

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JR show, Jeff Cherichow, Conrad Thompson basically

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become the godfather of wrestling podcasting.

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And he has some great takes.

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I always enjoy stuff when I listen to his shows.

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And he put it out there that he thinks,

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Conrad Thompson called Roman Reigns potentially

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quote the most overrated main eventer in WWE history,

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and then doubled down by arguing that Paul Heyman

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deserves enormous credit for changing how fans perceived

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Roman back in starting in 2020.

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Conrad specifically pointed to the hostile reactions

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Roman received before the travel chief,

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era and asked what Roman's career looks like without Paul Heyman.

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So Roman was unquestionably rejected as WWE's

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hand-picked babyface for years from 2014 to,

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I would say, 2020, right?

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And heading to the pandemic.

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But does finally, finding the right character actually

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strengthen his legacy rather than weaken it?

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Because I think we could all agree that the travel chief

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character that he has found is extremely entertaining,

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extremely fun, and more him than anything

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we've ever seen before.

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And I think a lot of people may think

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that this is like a creation of Triple H and the current creative team.

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But this was going on when Vince was still at the helm.

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So they made the change from the big dog to the travel chief

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and ran with this bloodline storyline.

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I would debate, I think, that the bloodline storyline

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got better once the Triple H and company

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took over creative from 2022 onwards.

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But it has.

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It has strengthened his legacy, I should say,

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because as a babyface, he was not any good at all.

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I mean, Codratatops and Points Outdo,

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do we remember the WrestleMania is that fans

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were walking out of the one specific one, WrestleMania 34.

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I wish he was here on the podcast tonight, Dr. Trey.

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He was in attendance.

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And he has spoken several times that he walked out

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on the Brock Lesnar Roman Reigns event.

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You don't do that at a WrestleMania.

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They tried really hard from WrestleMania 31

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to, cheese 34 to really get Roman going.

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Roman had a real serious issue, medical issue

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with his cancer returning and came back in 2019.

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And after an outside in 2018, and he wrestled Drew McIntyre

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at WrestleMania.

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And I think people weren't as vitriol.

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There was not as much vitriol towards Roman Reigns

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as there typically was.

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2020 happens with the pandemic.

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You set the face goal bird backs out because of health reasons.

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Braun's Roma takes a spot.

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Then we don't see Roman come back until just around.

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Was it at SummerSlam 2020?

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I think so.

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Then they had that match like a week later on payback

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paper view, which I found very weird.

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Defeated Bray Wyatt, late Bray Wyatt, and Braun's

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Roman to win the then universal championship.

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And then he held on to that for four plus years at that point.

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And it just kind of begs the question.

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I mean, he found the right character.

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And that did strengthen his legacy to me.

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I mean, there's similar parallels to Hogan in a way.

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Hogan was responsible for the wrestling boom in '85.

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One of the major reasons for the wrestling boom in '85,

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rock and wrestling.

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He was starting to get very stale in the early '90s.

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And by the time he got in the WCW, I mean, it was like

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pulling teeth.

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People did not enjoy Hulk Hogan matches.

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If you watch any of those old nitros on the WWE

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fall through whatever club WWE's got going on right now,

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you could see how much people were rejecting Hogan.

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And then the Hollywood Hogan character revitalized him,

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rejuvenated him, gave him more legs for his character moving forward.

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And he kind of still had that Hollywood Hogan type character

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when he was wrestling when he came back to WWE.

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And obviously, certainly with the NWO stuff,

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but even beyond that.

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And then when he would periodically return here and there.

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And he kind of embraced more that Hollywood Hogan-esque

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character than the white, babyface that we were accustomed to

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pre-1996 for the rest of his career.

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So I don't think that finding the right character is a bad thing.

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I don't think it weakens it at all.

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And I think it did strengthen his legacy.

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So I don't understand why overrated main event

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during WWE history for that period of time.

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I think you could certainly say that.

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But it changes his legacy and the main aim and influence.

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I'm not sure.

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Because then we ask ourselves, how much credit should Paul

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Hamon get versus Roman himself for making the tribal chief work?

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It goes hand in hand, right?

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I think Hamon was from what we're told him.

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And I believe Michael Hayes were like the people that were set

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as the creative team for Roman's work during that tribal chief

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era.

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But you still need to execute it, right?

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I mean, that's the thing with, I'm a baseball fan.

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You know, Barry Bonds took steroids.

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Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs in the season.

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But if I took steroids today, I can't go to the major leagues

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and hit a 104 mile per hour from Jacob Mizorowski,

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the Milwaukee Brewers and hit 73 home runs in a season.

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Plus, like I just don't have that talent and credit to do that.

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Like it definitely takes something to,

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you still have to execute what's going on.

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And Roman wasn't just this board of wood that showed up

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and was like, show me what to say, Paul Hamon.

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It worked both ways.

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I think Hamon was a great sounding board for him.

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I think Hamon helped validate the tribal chief character.

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But I think Roman deserves a ton of credit

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for making the tribal chief work.

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And people have just kind of eaten that up.

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And when you look at other things as well,

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like could anyone have turned that opportunity

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into one of WWE's defining runs or did Roman still

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have to deliver once the pieces were finally right?

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I don't think anyone could have delivered it.

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And yeah, sure, he had the right pieces.

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But the reason why the Blon-Lide worked

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is because they were legitimately their bloodline.

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Like I don't understand why we would try to take that away

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and say that he's overrated.

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And then the ultimate test in his entire things

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is if you take Paul Hamon out of the Roman Reigns career

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in 2020, where does Roman Reigns historically today?

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I don't think that he could launch as the tribal chief

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without Paul Hamon.

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What we're seeing right now with Roman Reigns on his own

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without Paul Hamon is how can he run with the ball?

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And if there's any doubters out there

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about this clearly Conrad Thompson as one with them,

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that he needs Paul Hamon to be successful,

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how successful can he be?

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Is he as successful as he was from 2020 to 2024?

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Absolutely not, I don't believe so.

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But there's something about this current error

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of the tribal chief that is refreshing,

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rejuvenating and fun as well.

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But what I will say is it does feel a little bit recycled,

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which is something we see often professional wrestling.

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But I think he is proving that he could still run

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with that character and be successful.

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He is not just kind of like out in La La Land.

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Was there a weird transition phase with Paul turning

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on Roman?

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Absolutely.

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Was there a weird transition phase where Paul wasn't around

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when Roman finally came back and like confronted

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Sagoa?

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Absolutely.

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But eventually Roman Reigns made it work.

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There's been plenty of superstars, wrestlers in the history

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of professional wrestling that when they first lose

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that mouthpiece that we are associated them with,

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that there's a little bit of a struggle

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because you see them as a pairing, you see them as an act,

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you see them as something that you find entertaining.

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So it's just, it's not like,

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well, what if, you know, would have Andre the Giant been successful

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as a heal without Bobby the Brain Heenan?

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Absolutely not.

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But was Andre the Giant successful as a heal once?

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He did turn.

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Absolutely.

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You know, there's some comparables as there.

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And you know, would, oh, you're going to have been S successful

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as a heal without Hall and Nash.

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Absolutely not.

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But was he successful as a heal?

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Yes.

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So it just, you know, sometimes it takes a little bit

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to make things work.

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So, you know, I think to say what he accomplished

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in the Travel Chief Era is just solely on Paul Heyman,

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I just kind of disagree with.

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And then just like lastly here is,

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if Roman Reigns is overrated or are people now,

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is Roman Reigns overrated or are people now underrated

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Roman because they're giving Paul Heyman too much credit,

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I don't feel Roman is overrated.

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I don't feel he's underrated at all.

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I think there's a case of the underrated more than overrated

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if you're looking at both things because Paul Heyman's not involved

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because we are seeing how well he is as a character.

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But I don't think Roman is overrated at all.

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I think his run from 2020 to 2024 is one of the most recent

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errors of professional wrestling that rejuvenated people

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that got people to watch wrestling.

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Has it fallen off a little bit?

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Absolutely.

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But people were really invested in what he was doing.

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And that was because he was part of it.

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And he was like watching a mafia movie,

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the way the bloodline was operating,

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the way that he was, he was the godfather of WWE at that point.

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And you wanted to see somebody, anybody,

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finally take him down.

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And when it finally happened,

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it's taken about two years to rebuild everything.

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And I think he's getting there right now.

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I certainly do.

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Certainly my complaint about Roman Reigns

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isn't if he is overrated.

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My complaint about Roman Reigns is when he is at the top,

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when he is the champion.

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It does kind of keep things at a level that,

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I don't find it entertaining previously.

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oboe family break out.

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I would love to see Bronbbreaker break out.

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And we can't get that right now in the month of August

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because it just feels like Roman's gonna be holding on

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that title until WrestleMania.

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but in the time frame right now,

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I mean, there's just, it just kind of hold water at that point.

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which reportedly may be happening Louisiana,

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I believe it is, New Orleans.

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For money in the bank in October,

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I don't sit here today on October 13th.

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I think that LA Knight could pull one out.

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So yeah, that would probably be my biggest complaint.

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It's just kind of Roman, his creative,

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keeping people down.

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But being overrated as a professional wrestler presently,

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no, I don't think he's overrated.

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Was that period of time 2014,

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it's 2000, early 2020,

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one of the most overrated main eventers in WWE history?

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Absolutely, but he saved face, he saved his legacy.

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And I think he has proven himself as the travel chief

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to prove that he is not actually overrated.

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He's a good in-ring worker.

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I know Conrad went into about his in-ring work.

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I've never watched Roman Reigns match

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and felt like this is boring as hell.

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I don't think it's five moves of doom, anything like that.

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So I was surprised though,

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but everybody's entitled to their opinion.

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And that is one that we certainly want to hear from all of you.

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If you want to comment below, hereover at patreon.com/srtupodcast.

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We would love to hear your thoughts.

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Or even at facebook.com/thestorealtheschel.

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If you feel Roman Reigns is overrated or not.

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Switching gears to Friday nights back down this pack

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past week, we had CM Punk and Kevin Owens

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in the ring for a felt face to face.

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And I felt uncomfortably real,

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because I think a lot of it was.

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That punk Owens face to face was easily one of my favorite

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things WWE did this week,

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because it stopped feeling like two wrestlers performing

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a wrestling promo.

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It felt like Phil Brooks and Kevinstein

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finally getting to say things they probably wanted

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to say for years.

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WWE leaned directly into their history, Owens called

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Punk and Eric and sociopath.

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Punk argued that he helped pave the road that allowed wrestlers

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like Owens to reach WWE,

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and Owens ultimately portrayed Punk as someone

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whose ego had made him miserable.

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There is some real life facts right to this.

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Punk and Owens history goes back to Kevin scenes

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earliest ROH appearances.

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There's a famous 2005 incident involving Punk

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criticizing Steam for wanting to wrestle on a t-shirt

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and later dressing him down backstage.

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Owens has referenced that story periodically over the years.

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There are enough genuine historical ingredients here

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that WWE doesn't have to manufacture animosity.

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There's also the story that's been floating out there.

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Previously, I think it was on Reddit,

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but like Meltzer talked about on the wrestling

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observer newsletter over the weekend.

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That when Punk and Kabbana,

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Cole Kabbana were going through their stuff with WWE

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and they were being sued.

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Punk basically had an edict not to talk to anybody from WWE.

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He cut them off all cold.

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He talked about it, right?

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Cut off Jericho, cut off Kofi Kingston,

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and he was friends he did not speak to.

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Well, NXT was in town,

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and this is when Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens were on NXT.

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They were doing a loop through Chicago

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and they hit up Cole Kabbana

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who they're very good friends with

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and said, "Hey, you wanna grab some pizza?"

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According reports, Punk found out about it,

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and that is what set off Cole Kabbana

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being acts from the friendship of one CM Punk,

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which then you can make a case catapulted

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a lot of things in AW.

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That pizza dinner changed the course of wrestling history

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for a lot of people.

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Would CM Punk be back in WWE right now?

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Had that pizza dinner ever taken place,

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taking place in what, 2014, 15?

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It's amazing, I never heard that story before

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and then I did a little more digging out.

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I was like, "Oh, this has been something

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that's been going around for some time."

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So we can't know how much genuine personal animosity

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exists between them today,

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but the history of their mining is real,

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and that's exactly why that segment worked.

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The big question coming out of this

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was this a work shoot promo,

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or were we watching two guys finally get permission

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to settle a 20 year argument on WWE television?

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I hate to ride the fence here.

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I think it's a little bit of both.

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I think it's 75% work shoot promo.

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I think it's 25% getting the ability to get some things

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off their chest that they've been meaning to.

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It was great, it was a great segment.

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And if you go back and you watch it

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and I was really in for all of it

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because punk and Kevin Owens are some of my favorite wrestlers

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of all time, love those guys.

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I mean, as long as I'd be doing this podcast,

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those two guys have really defined this generation

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that we've covered in professional wrestling.

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As I'm watching it, I could tell two things.

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One, if Kevin Owens, if he is,

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if he has a great wrestling bitch face,

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he should go into acting, right?

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'Cause it did not look like he was having any fun

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with the promo.

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Punk on the other hand, I think he loved

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that Kevin Owens went where he went with the promo

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and reacted as such because it made things fun

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and it made things interesting.

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If there's anything that we've learned

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from the CM Punk return to WWE in the last,

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was it three years now that when there's real life animosity

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surrounding CM Punk, we as fans benefit from it.

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The Drew McIntyre feud is one of the best feuds

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we've covered in the last five years.

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This stuff with Seth Rollins would have been amazing.

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Had this moment, the injury's kind of derailed everything.

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But those things is what made it important

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and they're going to that well again.

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I was quasi bashing them going back to the well

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with the bloodline, but here they are going back to the well

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again with CM Punk animosities, issues we have

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with certain wrestlers and I'm eating it right up

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because the realness of it makes it all worthwhile.

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I mean, this is a dream match scenario in general.

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Let these guys pan out a little bit more.

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Let them play a little bit now.

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Let this feud go on.

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I think that's something that I hopefully

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that they've learned from this because I think Owen said,

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I want a challenge for the title.

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I think on from Friday in two weeks in Toronto,

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which makes it so a week from this Friday

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we get Punk versus Owens.

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For the title, like, man, push this out a little bit now.

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We've got something here.

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This is fun.

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This is entertaining.

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So I think it was a work shoot promo.

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I think that both guys put a lot of asses and seats

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and I think they sold some tickets

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and I cannot wait for CM Punk versus Kevin Owens

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two of the best Mike workers, two of the best in-ring workers.

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We've covered here in the history of the show.

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It is a dream match scenario and they really catapulted it off

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perfectly this past Friday on SmackDown.

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Talking about setting up some for some future matches

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here in World Wrestling Entertainment.

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Another one that I'm looking forward to going to Monday Night Raw

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is Oba Femi versus Braun Breaker

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because I feel like we may be watching WWE's next John Cena/Betista

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generation.

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I feel like it's that Cena Batista

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and I throw in Randy Orin generation in there.

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After Oba Femi and Braun Breaker came face to face again

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on Monday, I am increasingly convinced WWE is showing us

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its two potential franchise players

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for the post-Roman Punk Cody generation.

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You can throw Seth in there as well.

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WWE deliberately separated the two

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during Monday's confrontation rather than giving them way,

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the fight immediately.

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But all things considered, I almost don't want Oba versus Braun yet

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because I want us to go back to 2005.

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Batista became the guy on Raw.

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John Cena became the guy on SmackDown

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coming out of WrestleMania 21,

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Cena defeats JBL, Batista Feats Triple H.

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Those were the guys.

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They came down to the final two Royal Rump 2005,

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as we know, Vince tears his quad,

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they had the perfect botch of all time when they both won,

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and then ultimately Batista won that match.

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WWE allowed both men to develop independently,

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rather than immediately defining one against the other.

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And think about it.

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So if WrestleMania 21 was the long point,

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where they had their first WrestleMania match

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was WrestleMania 26, five years later.

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Prior to that, I think they had one match at Summerslam,

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which may have been maybe a year,

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year and a half beforehand,

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but they really kept them separated apart

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as the guys that were the faces of each brand.

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And that's what I would have loved for Braun and Oba.

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Put one on wall, Raw, put one on SmackDown,

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give both world championships,

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let them build their separate legacies.

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And then several years from now,

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when they finally collide, it feels enormous.

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But given the situation that I just talked about

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with someone like Roman Reigns at the top of the championship,

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and I also see him punk, that just cannot happen, which stinks.

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WWE is not a transition era like they were,

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or even that transition era that were,

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they were desperately seeking for in 2004,

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where they needed to pass the torch.

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They needed to find the next top star

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after several years away from the Stone Cold Steve Austin

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and Rock Air.

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They needed to find someone,

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and they chose John Cena and Batista.

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They don't have that problem right now.

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We're in the midst.

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This isn't the tail end.

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We're not searching for a new face of the company.

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We have Roman Reigns, we have Cody Rhodes,

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we have Seth Rollins, we have CM Punk, we have Kim and Owens,

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we have Drew McAttire, we have plenty on the men's side.

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So it's not the same thing in a way,

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but I wish it was, because I think it could be something special,

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in just a few years, basically.

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So then that poses the WrestleMania 43 question that I have.

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Is Oba Femme poised to become the defining star

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of WWE's next era at WrestleMania 43?

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Or should that position ultimately belong to Braun Breaker?

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And maybe the better answer is,

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why does WWE have to choose?

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Right?

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You have two brands.

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You have four brands overall.

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You got raw, you got SmackDown, you got NXT,

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you've got Triple A, right?

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Why do we need to choose?

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Between these guys, why can I not be the co-faces

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like Patisse and John Cena or?

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And when we get to WrestleMania 43,

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I truly believe that maybe these next several months

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are going to be Oba Femme versus Braun Breaker.

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Money in the bank maybe is that match in October.

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And then from that point forward,

511
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,560
how long does that feud go on for?

512
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,480
Because when we get to Royal Rumble season,

513
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,400
I truly believe Oba wins that rumble.

514
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,400
Oba chooses Roman Reigns, we get Oba versus Roman at WrestleMania.

515
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,880
There's a reason why we are not getting

516
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,680
Oba versus Roman at Summer Slam after Oba won the King of the Ring

517
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,320
where he had that right to face a World Champion.

518
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,920
It's because they want to hold it off for something bigger.

519
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,440
Let's do it in Saudi Arabia.

520
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,200
Let's do Oba versus Roman, let's pass that torch.

521
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,840
And that may be the year of the Tribal Chief Era.

522
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,640
And we could sit here and say maybe in essence,

523
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,040
I'm asking for WrestleMania 21 launch now.

524
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,600
But maybe WrestleMania 43 is that launch.

525
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,080
Because who's to say, right?

526
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,520
It felt like an earlier this year,

527
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,000
Braun Breaker could have gone to WrestleMania

528
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,160
and challenged the Ampunk for the World of the Way Championship.

529
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,680
And one, I've not watched this season unreal,

530
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,400
but from what I gather, there was some discussion about that

531
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,160
that Braun Breaker could either enter

532
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,960
WrestleMania's World Champion or become a World Champion

533
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,800
at WrestleMania.

534
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,920
They wanted him in that spot and they didn't do it.

535
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600
So maybe we are on the verge of that.

536
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,080
Maybe we get that teaser match at Money in the Bank.

537
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,920
Or maybe both of them are just in the Money in the Bank match,

538
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,520
which I would be all in favor for.

539
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,120
Keep the one-on-one match off to the side.

540
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,280
Let's save this for something when it counts

541
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,760
and let it grow organically and let the build be fun.

542
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,400
So I just want to see it to be the next petite John Cena

543
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,560
because I think we could really, really benefit it

544
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,960
as professional wrestling fans.

545
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,240
And the more I think about it,

546
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840
maybe WrestleMania 43 is this generation's

547
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,960
WrestleMania 21 launch.

548
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaking of young stars,

549
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,840
young and up in coming stars,

550
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,400
there is a young gentleman out there named Avery Styles,

551
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,200
son of Hall of Famer AJ Styles,

552
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,440
who I believe just wrestled his second match.

553
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,800
And I believe he did so at Game Changer Wrestling,

554
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,360
GCW, if it wasn't his second,

555
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,400
it's like third or fourth professional match.

556
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,240
And there's a big discussion right now about pain or dues,

557
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,440
or if it's an outdated wrestling gap keeping.

558
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800
And I really wish Dr. Trey was here with his experiences

559
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,800
on the Southern Independent Wrestling scene

560
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,840
and get his two cents on where this stands.

561
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Because this story has become way bigger

562
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,880
than somebody helping put away chairs.

563
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,640
Veteran Independent wrestler Eric Cannon,

564
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,400
who actually just got shouted out by CM Punk recently,

565
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720
during one of the post shows from Summerslam.

566
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,920
Publicly criticized AJ Styles 19 year olds on Avery

567
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,120
after a GCW appearance, alleging Avery,

568
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,880
avoided helping with tear down,

569
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520
and AJ Styles fired back on X on Twitter.

570
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,240
That's where we have our normal discourses

571
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,680
human beings nowadays.

572
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680
That his son was booked and paid to wrestle,

573
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,080
not dismantle the ring and argued that a veteran should

574
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,440
have approached him privately instead

575
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,600
of embarrassing a teenager publicly.

576
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,960
Cannon later claimed Avery had specifically been asked

577
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,680
twice to help with chairs.

578
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,240
GCW promoter Brett Lauderdale,

579
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,480
subsequently defended Avery, saying he's still a teenage

580
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,840
rookie who will make mistakes in arguing that Avery

581
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,760
earned his bucking because of his natural ability,

582
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,840
not nearly because he's AJ Styles son.

583
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,120
So the big question coming out of this,

584
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,880
should Avery Styles have to quote pay his dues,

585
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,920
exactly like an unknown rookie,

586
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,320
or has professional wrestling outgrown that mentality?

587
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,000
So I'm gonna come into this twofold.

588
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560
One, let's start from the way that it was taken place.

589
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,960
Erickan and getting on X,

590
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,160
getting on Twitter and blasting Avery Styles.

591
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,080
This guy is still 19 years old,

592
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,280
and the last thing he needs is the internet to come at him.

593
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,360
He's already going to have that problem

594
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,120
in professional wrestling and being a figure

595
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,000
with the way that people are online.

596
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040
Like he did not need this added story,

597
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,360
pressure to now follow him around.

598
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,600
There's certainly an obviously a big opportunity here

599
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,800
to make some money off of this.

600
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,960
I would not be surprised if Avery Styles

601
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,960
makes some money off of this and makes a joke of it.

602
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,200
The next several independent wrestling shows

603
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,160
where he folds a chair and puts it away,

604
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,360
or even if it leads to a match with Eric Cannon

605
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,640
at a GCW show.

606
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,280
This is professional wrestling controversy creates cash,

607
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,960
and this is controversy that can make some money

608
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,120
very early in the career of Avery Styles.

609
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,920
And who knows, we may be all getting worked

610
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,520
because here we are talking about a young rookie

611
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,720
on a wrestling podcast because it's newsworthy.

612
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Newsworthy is, yeah, he made his debut.

613
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,160
He looked pretty good.

614
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,360
Everybody has had some rave reviews,

615
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,520
but this is newsworthy.

616
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,960
That's the first part.

617
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,280
The second part, I just turned 40 years old,

618
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,120
and I come from the mindset that when I was growing up,

619
00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,880
you had to pay your dues.

620
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,160
Whether it be on a sports team or in a company

621
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,280
or in the military, whatever you came from,

622
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,720
you needed to pay your dues and show that you belong

623
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,400
and that you were just as equal as everyone else.

624
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,040
And I feel like nowadays that mentality has been lost.

625
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,120
I deal with a lot of younger folks.

626
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:23,120
And what you're teaching them nowadays is,

627
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,920
like when they're in that high school,

628
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,400
and that college air is still a young college,

629
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,280
and they're getting closer and closer to the workforce

630
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,240
that they've been extremely coddled.

631
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,960
Sorry, if you're in that age group,

632
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440
you've been extremely coddled.

633
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,640
They cannot take being yelled at.

634
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,280
They cannot take being reprimanded.

635
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520
If you give them constructive criticism,

636
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,720
and the only reason why somebody gives someone,

637
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,880
at least in my perspective,

638
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,160
constructive criticism is to help make them better.

639
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,160
I'm not in the business of tearing anyone down.

640
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,840
I'm not in the business of making someone look bad

641
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,680
or think that they're stupid or make them feel stupid.

642
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,200
However, if you show me in what I do

643
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,960
that you give a damn, I want to help you out.

644
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960
If you have that thing where you give a damn,

645
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,080
I will help you out.

646
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,400
The only thing is, is that if I tell you something

647
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320
and you don't listen or you give me attitude,

648
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,160
there will be receipts and repercussions

649
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,280
for that type of behavior

650
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,080
because that is how I learned,

651
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,120
and that's what made me a stronger

652
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,120
and tougher, thick-skinned individual.

653
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:23,160
I had to pay my dues in professional broadcasting.

654
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,680
Back in 2009, I went on a whim

655
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,640
and started getting into broadcasting with Mike Bauer.

656
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,720
And we started hosting this radio show called The Wheelhouse.

657
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,840
And I would go on to a train into New York City,

658
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,040
do a two-hour round trip to go downtown,

659
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,400
get into the office about 6.30,

660
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,680
go live on blog talk radio at seven o'clock

661
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000
and by eight o'clock the show was over.

662
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,600
I'd stay for a couple of minutes,

663
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,360
pack up, leave, get on the train and do it all over again,

664
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,960
and I was getting home at 11 o'clock.

665
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,240
Then I was going to bed.

666
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,120
It's going to bed shortly thereafter.

667
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,160
I was getting up at 6 a.m. for my job.

668
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,320
I'd get off my job, get on a train at five o'clock,

669
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,960
get in there by 6.30 and do it all over again.

670
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,800
And why did I do that?

671
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,440
Because I believed in the mission of what was going on.

672
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,360
I was cutting my teeth, I was paying my dues,

673
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,160
I was doing something that would have cost thousands

674
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,000
of dollars to do.

675
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,280
You could go to a broadcasting school,

676
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,720
you could go to college and do it,

677
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,960
but I wanted to get some real world experiences

678
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,680
to what was going on.

679
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,880
And that was in 2009.

680
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,880
In 2012, I got hired in a radio station.

681
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Over at 97.9 ESPN Hartford Connecticut

682
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Bauer had a show.

683
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,400
He thankfully brought me on.

684
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,760
I earned my way onto that.

685
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,600
I wasn't getting paid for the first seven months.

686
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,560
And then even when I did,

687
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,720
finally start getting paid in the year and a half, two years,

688
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,560
I was getting paid.

689
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,000
I was getting paid part-time salary.

690
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,760
We had to carry over my hours.

691
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,920
So I went away on vacation.

692
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,160
I was getting PTO.

693
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
That way that I heart radio,

694
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
whenever the company is nowadays,

695
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,840
they didn't hire somebody full-time

696
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,880
or they needed health insurance.

697
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,880
And why did I do that?

698
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,000
Because I was earning my keeping cutting my teeth.

699
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,600
And what did that lead to for me?

700
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,880
When the show ended in March,

701
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,280
I let Bauer go.

702
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Shortly thereafter, I got hired at ESPN Radio

703
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,840
in Bristol, Connecticut.

704
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,040
And I was there for four months.

705
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,440
When I shortly thereafter found out

706
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,880
and thought I had a great opportunity,

707
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,320
a full-time opportunity closer to home

708
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,720
that I could make in completely a different structure

709
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,560
outside of the broadcasting field.

710
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,240
And what I learned in that period of time

711
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,200
is if you continue to work hard,

712
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,600
I got to my dream job,

713
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,840
or if the ESPN Radio,

714
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,800
whether it be for four weeks or four months, four years,

715
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,760
I was able to say that I did that.

716
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,320
And it all started in 2009 by cutting my teeth

717
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,160
and earning my keep.

718
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,360
And I think that is something

719
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,520
that a lot of people don't do nowadays.

720
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,560
And it's unfortunate.

721
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,840
And I think it has made for weaker,

722
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,120
mind-ery, younger folks to be in the workforce.

723
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,680
And I'm concerned about how long the last.

724
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,840
So it's twofold.

725
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520
If Avery was legitimately asked to help out with chairs,

726
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,480
he should have done it.

727
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,480
He should have shown I'm not a J's kid.

728
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,280
There is more to me than this.

729
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,080
I am as equal as you are,

730
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,200
and I will earn my keep.

731
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,040
I will cut my teeth.

732
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Will he get opportunities that no one else

733
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,680
absolutely get?

734
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,800
100%.

735
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
There was a photo of him backstage at the WWE PC

736
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,640
for the NXT taping this week, I believe, with Birthright.

737
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Talking about the folding chairs

738
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,800
and a bunch of second-generation stars that were with him.

739
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,680
He's going to get those opportunities.

740
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200
But in the meantime, when you're on the road,

741
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280
or you keep showing them, pay your dues.

742
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,920
This is what you're gonna do.

743
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Would not surprise me if Avery Styles

744
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720
is under a WWE contract in the next year,

745
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,160
and he never has this experience whatsoever.

746
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040
But while you're there,

747
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,160
or you keep, pay your dues.

748
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120
With that said, again, I preface this all by saying,

749
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,040
you don't blast someone online publicly.

750
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,400
I hate that when people do that.

751
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,160
I always do it privately if I've ever had those conversations

752
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,840
because I think it means something more.

753
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,200
You're doing it privately where you like,

754
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,880
hey, this is what you're doing wrong.

755
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,200
You should try this.

756
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,120
And you're showing them that you give a shit.

757
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,680
In this situation, I think Eric Cannon

758
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,120
was in the complete wrong,

759
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,160
and could have done it and handled it a completely different way.

760
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,760
As could Avery Styles.

761
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,600
It's a very odd thing that's taking place

762
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,600
in the world of professional wrestling

763
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,040
that we're here we are talking about it.

764
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,520
Just folding chairs.

765
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,120
But paying your dues is important,

766
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,840
but also giving off that message

767
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,600
is just as equally important

768
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760
because you don't want to lose the message in S to I,

769
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,560
pull them aside, pull the kid, listen.

770
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,480
You got to target on your back.

771
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,200
You're AJ Styles kid, right?

772
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,520
You're going to be very, very successful.

773
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
You're probably going to make more money than me,

774
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,640
so be it.

775
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,040
But while you're here,

776
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,080
show everybody back there like who you are.

777
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,600
You know, you're at the bottom,

778
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,840
work your way up to the top

779
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,400
because as you go back down the ladder,

780
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,120
you're going to see those same faces.

781
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,480
So I think there's anything wrong with that.

782
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Again, it's just the delivery that I had the issue with.

783
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,680
And then lastly here,

784
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,800
we're talking a little bit about AW.

785
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,120
We've got AW has all in coming up here in London.

786
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,040
I think it was 18 days they said on Dynamite.

787
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,800
So it's now 17 and we are as record on Thursday night.

788
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,920
And I wonder if AW is making Omega versus Osprey

789
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,960
bigger or over complicating it

790
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,680
because with only 17 days remaining for all in London,

791
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,400
AW put multiple pieces of its world championship picture

792
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,560
into motion on Wednesday night.

793
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,680
We'll Osprey called out Kenny O'Mega,

794
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,440
the Don Cal's family attacked Omega made a save,

795
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
but then essentially told Osprey that that was the last time

796
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,440
he was helping him.

797
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Meanwhile, MJF won the number two position

798
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520
at the casino gaula while continuing to proclaim himself

799
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,280
as quote the one true champion.

800
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Omega versus Osprey should theoretically sell itself.

801
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,720
Does AEW actually need MJF and Don Cal's orbiting the story?

802
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Absolutely not.

803
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Let them sell the story itself.

804
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,600
You're over complicating it.

805
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,800
MJF having the number two casino gaula position

806
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,400
gives him enormous potential role at all in.

807
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Does that intrigue enhance Omega Osprey or distract from it?

808
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,560
I don't think it does either, honestly.

809
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,440
I think even mentioning MJF and the spread makes me think,

810
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,600
so if he wins the casino gaula,

811
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,280
could we not close with Will Osprey getting that moment

812
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,520
at all in in London where he's the world champion?

813
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Because that's how I feel like it's going in.

814
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,680
And MJF decides to come out and cash it.

815
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,560
I think that's starting to, this is some foreshadowing

816
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,840
that could be a very, very real possibility.

817
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,920
AEW has rarely had trouble delivering the match itself.

818
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,040
The bigger question has been whether the television

819
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,160
makes you need to see the match before bell time.

820
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,680
And I think that's a really good question.

821
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,840
Does the television make you need to see it?

822
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,760
On paper, Osprey versus Omega is a dream match, right?

823
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,160
But we've seen it before.

824
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,080
My issue, by the way, I did not think that I might

825
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,920
this past Wednesday was a solid episode.

826
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,520
I thought it really, really lacked build towards all in.

827
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,240
And I think it's too centered and too focused right now

828
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200
on the continental challenge cup.

829
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,440
I guess they can't call it the continental cup anymore

830
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,880
because of maybe some trademark

831
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,640
to copyright infringements.

832
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Like you need to build all in more.

833
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,960
And they had three matches on this past Saturday's collision.

834
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,960
They had three matches on Dynamite

835
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040
and it's just completely overshadowing everything else.

836
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Good opening segment with Osprey,

837
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,880
good opening segment with Omega,

838
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680
but I would like to see more.

839
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,480
So I do think that they need to make the television deliver

840
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,200
making me want this, right?

841
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,120
I mean, that's the issue with AW.

842
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,880
If you want to really like zone in and go,

843
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,040
why is AW not a successful WWE?

844
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,160
It has always been their entertainment in the creative.

845
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,520
The match stuff is there.

846
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,320
There is no question, Omega and Osprey

847
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,760
are gonna deliver a great match at all in London.

848
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,400
But give me the build that makes me give a shit.

849
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,160
You can't always just go off on the history.

850
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,240
You can't just go off and say,

851
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:20,680
these are two great superstars.

852
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,040
These are great technicians.

853
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,800
You gotta have the entertainment.

854
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,360
And that's something that I think really AW

855
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,400
really needs to sort of hone in on.

856
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,360
And it makes me wonder if the entertainment aspect

857
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,640
of this entire thing is that MJF hovering around

858
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,560
the Omega Osprey situation.

859
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,960
And if it is, that's not great.

860
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,800
Make Omega Osprey entertaining just outside of like,

861
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,640
yeah, I expect these guys to deliver a five star match.

862
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,040
So here's the prediction question then.

863
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,440
Who should leave all in as AW world champion?

864
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,680
Omega Osprey or somebody else?

865
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,440
For me, it's Osprey.

866
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,720
Give him that moment.

867
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,600
Give him that moment in his hometown

868
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,760
in his home country in front of his people

869
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,640
where he is celebrating fireworks to Laura

870
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,960
and we go off the air.

871
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,040
I don't need to see MJF become a four time AW world champion.

872
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,000
Will that add to some heat for MJF?

873
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Absolutely.

874
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,920
Does MJF need that heat?

875
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,800
No.

876
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,920
Is that gonna add some intrigue for Will Osprey

877
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,760
because he couldn't, you know,

878
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,880
he wins a big one and then drops it immediately?

879
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,720
Absolutely, interesting storyline.

880
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,040
But does MJF the right guy for that?

881
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Absolutely not.

882
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Like we don't need that at all.

883
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,400
So it makes me wonder man, the more I think about it,

884
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,760
like are they with this one true champion?

885
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,520
Oh, do you see a storyline with MJF

886
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,360
bringing out the title?

887
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,000
I know people are saying that this is basically

888
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
what they wanted to do with CM Punk.

889
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,920
When he was saying that he was the real world champion,

890
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,800
they're doing it again.

891
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920
They're rehashing out now with MJF.

892
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,600
I just don't think they need to do it right now.

893
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,600
He could call himself that.

894
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,040
Don't hold the championship when they can see him gauntlet

895
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040
and then go face each other at all out in Chicago

896
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,200
in September.

897
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Like just give me the Osprey Omega moment.

898
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,960
I don't need that stuff kind of hovering around

899
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,600
and it'll be interesting on all in day.

900
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,960
Like as we watch it, if MJF wins,

901
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,960
I can see no gauntlet match.

902
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,880
I'm like, oh boy, there's a possibility he may execute this

903
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,280
to close out the show and that's how we close out.

904
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,720
And there could be a near ride in London that night

905
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,280
if it's Will Osprey winning the championship

906
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080
and then immediately drops it to MJF.

907
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,720
Last thing I want to talk about here

908
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,960
in regards to this topic here,

909
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,200
last question for this week's edition of the show

910
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,640
is does AEW finally have genuine intrigues

911
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,920
surrounding its world championship

912
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,320
again heading into all in?

913
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,560
They absolutely do.

914
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,120
I mean, Omega and Osprey are some of the best.

915
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,000
But to that point, I don't wanna see MJF again

916
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,560
involved here with the world championship at all in,

917
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,920
but I will argue that the most entertaining

918
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,200
the world championship has been since MJF won the championship

919
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,960
from December, dropped the title to Darby Allen in April,

920
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,440
won it back and then dropped it again to Kenny Omega.

921
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,840
I think that was one of the better runs

922
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,520
with the AEW world championship I've seen

923
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,880
from any superstar, any wrestler on the AEW roster

924
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,400
on the men's side since its inception.

925
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,160
I thought it was a really, really good run

926
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520
with the championship that he had.

927
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,120
But overall, I mean, look at the names

928
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,320
that are involved with it right now.

929
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,160
That's been the issue.

930
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,040
When AEW was in its down year,

931
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,760
look back at that roster and see how many people

932
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,880
were on the injured list, Omega Osprey.

933
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,280
They lost a lot of guys, Adam Copeland,

934
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,360
people that we care about were hurt.

935
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,280
MJF was not on television and it was a little bit boring

936
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,200
at that period of time.

937
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,800
And once all those guys came back and they were healthy,

938
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,120
here we are again with a really, really strong AEW.

939
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,280
Right now, it's just basically Omega Osprey

940
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,680
and MJF hovering around it.

941
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,280
I'd love to see some more people just kind of

942
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,440
be on the periphery, is on Draw Day on the periphery.

943
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,840
It's worth struggling on the periphery.

944
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,640
We know Hangman Page cannot be.

945
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Who else could be lingering around out there?

946
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,400
Because how they come out of all in London

947
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,680
is gonna be very, very, very intriguing.

948
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,960
I truly believe we get Osprey versus MJF

949
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,680
because if on Draw Day wins though,

950
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,040
I can see him on Gotland Match.

951
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,720
Like is that a match at all out that sells

952
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,600
as tickets as much as MJF versus Will Osprey?

953
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Probably not as much as I like on Draw Day right now.

954
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,560
So I think that's the direction they go.

955
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Keep going that well, keep going to that heel, MJF

956
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,360
because he defeats his mentor.

957
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,280
Will Osprey in Kenny Omega,

958
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,800
but then he gets that heel, then he needs an MJF.

959
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,840
And then the entire thing of like,

960
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,160
where's the death writers play a role

961
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,520
into this entire situation?

962
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,440
Because there were nowhere near the Will Osprey

963
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,480
infrastructure in Bubble this past Wednesday

964
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,360
on Dynamite, which just makes the whole death writers

965
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,080
Will Osprey thing weird.

966
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,680
I can't wait to see like a month from now

967
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,280
when we look back at everything to place it all in

968
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,400
and the stuff with Will Osprey and the death writers

969
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,320
if it actually ended up making sense

970
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
because if it didn't end up making sense

971
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,320
and we just basically got a month of him

972
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,160
and the death writers, there was a pretty good build

973
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,840
to him joining for all of a sudden

974
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,000
and just to go away.

975
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
I think it's gonna be a little bit confusing

976
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,520
and go, okay, well, what the hell was the point of that?

977
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,360
Which we said from here from time to time

978
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,160
when it comes to the creative and all elite wrestling.

979
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,880
With that said, that will do it for this week's edition

980
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,400
of the Sto Realta Show, a solo edition of the Sto Realta Show.

981
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,720
Hopefully I entertained you guys for the last 35 to 40 minutes

982
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,200
talking professional wrestling here by myself.

983
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,320
Hopefully everything's okay with Dr. Trace Family again.

984
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,280
He will be hopefully back here next week

985
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,800
and we'll be talking about professional wrestling

986
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,480
as we get closer and closer to AW all in London.

987
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
We're a close up shop on this week's edition of the show.

988
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
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989
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,640
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00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,440
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00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,560
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You can continue to get it on Apple Spotify again,

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wherever you download those podcasts.

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But what I'd love for you to do is tell your friends

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who are wrestling fans to just check us out.

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Check us out for the next month.

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Check us out for the next two months.

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Join in on the conversation.

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Let's help make a community possible

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over at the Patreon page.

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It would mean a lot to us if we can help continue

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to grow and expand this great community.

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So if you can grab five of your friends that are wrestling fans

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and have them just tune in and check this out,

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we'd really, really appreciate it.

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And we could start doing some pretty cool stuff together

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as a wrestling fan community.

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So that's a little bit of call to our arms

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here as we go in the weekend and get some support

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from all of you.

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Great listeners that tune in each of your week

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and are part of that die-hard core of SRTU each and every week.

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So until next week for Dr. Ray Franklin,

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I'm Jeff Pack. Enjoy the weekend.

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This has been The Stillerless Show.