Sami Zayn Shocks the Wrestling World! | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #855 – 7/2/26

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It's still real to be damaged in it!

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What now we know?

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Welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's Disney Story of the Show.

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Episode 85 for July 2nd, 2026.

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This is your WWE night of champions, AEW for Ben and Door,

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and NXT Great American Dash, Recap and Review Edition of SRT View.

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I am one after the show.

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I am Jeff Beck, joined every single week, my co-host,

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the one only Dr. Tray Franklin, Dr. Tray.

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Sammy Zane is our WWE Champion, my friend.

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Is that something I know?

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So it's not something I thought would ever have.

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I'm going to ask you this because you brought it up,

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Mulder.

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Did you really think that this was a possibility or was this more of a hope?

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It's funny you say that because here we are organically open in the show.

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Obviously this is going to be a big topic of it.

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I've been the reason why we're talking about it now, obviously.

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At one time I thought it was going to happen, and then I would say pretty recently I'm like,

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I think he may be like this generation's Scott Hall.

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This generation's Roddy Piper and the WWE.

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They are amazing, memorable professional wrestlers that never won the WWE Championship.

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I don't think Scott Hall ever won a World Championship.

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Piper had a roma that upset up your title.

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And that's where I was getting with Sammy Zane, especially the way that you look at these

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windows nowadays with Cody, Roman, the echelon below that, the upcoming young stars, the

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Gunthers, the Braun Breaker, the O-Buzz of the World punk, Rollins.

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It just felt like Sammy Zane will never get a roma in the Championship.

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When would that window be?

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I made a case at the last year, at the Rumble this year.

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I was like, I think this is the time to do it.

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They didn't do it.

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And then it's like, are they going to do it at WrestleMania 43 when it's in Saudi Arabia?

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That felt to be the closest opportunities.

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And it's like, when would they do it?

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It feels like it's going to be Cody versus, who knows, Rollins, punk, rock, Roman versus

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Oba, Brock, Rollins, punk, whoever, right?

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Like that, it just never felt like he would get in there.

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So I was losing home, my friend.

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I got to admit.

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Yeah, I think I've compared him to Roddy Piper at times.

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Just tremendous wrestler, the ability to be a really strong baby face or a heel, great

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work or great soldier for the company.

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In a lot of ways, also, when people thought about Mr. Perfect, I always say Mr. Perfect

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never won a World Cup because I don't count the AWA title really as a World Championship.

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He was in that vein of those guys who are just so super talented, but maybe didn't have

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the right look or just didn't have, like you mentioned, the right timing to come along

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at a time that where the roster maybe has never been as loaded as it is now.

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Like, it could have easily fell into the Dolph Ziggler category of like, just, hey, he's

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great to have on the roster.

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He does anything we ask him makes everybody look great.

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You know, but even Dolph got a short run with the title, but I was almost at the point where

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like, I was with him like, oh, Sammy's in this match to take the pinfall so that way Cody

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and Gump are looks strong.

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So the fact that we're sitting here a few days later and you and I can honestly say that

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are two of our all-time favorites from the SRTU timeline.

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Sammy Zayn and Kevin Owens have both been WWE World Champions.

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Yeah, it's wild.

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And especially going back to when this first started this podcast back in 2010.

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I was raving about generic over sustained feud in Ring of Honor.

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I mean, I talk about that a lot.

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And we are 16 years later and both these guys are in WWE.

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They both had runs as a world champion in WWE and they've made a man and WrestleMania

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together as a tag team winning that tag team championship and also faced off against one

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another at a WrestleMania.

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I always look at them.

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Those two guys as like the anchors of the history of this podcast where we started like

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hyping them up and like these two people should be watching out for.

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So and now here we are 16, 17 years later and it's like these two guys have been on top

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of the world back and forth and are some of the most recognizable stars in professional

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wrestling.

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It's just you're proud.

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You're very, very proud of them.

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You don't know them.

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You feel like you've known them.

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There have been very small interactions I've had with some of them, relatives of theirs.

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And like they're just people that you're proud of.

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They're just, they seem like genuine good people.

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They seem like people that we can relate to and I'm extremely happy and thrilled for Sammy

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Zayn that he has had this opportunity.

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We'll certainly chew on this a lot in this episode for sure, but I just want to quickly

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deviate from this Dr. Trey because I feel like if I asked you.

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So on last week's podcast, by the way, welcome back Dr. Trey who missed out last week doing

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some work training.

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I broke down the match and I was like, I really want to pick Sammy, but I just don't see

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it happening going in a summer slam and some of the anchors where you feel the same way with

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the Roman Reigns and Cody when they hold the titles.

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It's like, I just can't see it happening.

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Then it doesn't.

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It's a great little turnaround.

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But with that said, if you ask me go into the weekend, who is the best wrestler on the

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WWE roster that has never won a world championship?

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It's Sammy Zayn.

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No doubt about it.

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But now that he's done it, who is it, Dr. Trey?

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Who comes to mind?

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That's a really, I hadn't looked at that angle.

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So let me just try to run through the roster in my head of who's never been on top.

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Gunther J, Drew Brock, Cody Pong, Sammy Kevin.

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Has been a world champion.

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Before a day, yeah, but yeah, Damien Priest has.

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Is it Dom Mysterio?

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Well, I would say Jimmy Hussle, Jacob.

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Total presentation of a wrestler, maybe Shinsuke?

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I mean, he's a loved, beloved figure.

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And he's had longevity WWE, he's had longevity before and he's semi-main evented a

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WrestleMania, him and AJ when he turned eal.

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So he's a Royal Rumble winner.

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I mean, you can't name any of the young guys.

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You can't be like Oba or Braun, like that's not fair.

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And Dom is still young.

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I mean, JD, JD McDonough's young.

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It just, to me, I guess if you're going to like, total scope of professional wrestler,

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look, appearance, ability, you know, Shinsuke's knocks, always been his promo work.

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But I was to that, like, that's on the current roster, I would say Shinsuke probably.

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That's probably right.

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I can't think of anybody else that has the longevity and then the resume.

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I mean, Interconnel Champion, US Champion, IWGP, Interconnel Champion.

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I mean, he's got the resume to back it up to have never been on top of the mountain.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think of anybody else who has longevity.

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Almost everybody who's had longevity's at least had a taste of the mount top.

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Like, I guess right below him would be where you put Jimmy Uso because outside of eat,

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I can't distinguish Jay from Jimmy as far as in ring ability and lose it.

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Like, they're twins.

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Yeah.

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So, I guess I'd almost go to Shinsuke and then Jay and Jay, I mean, he's going to be Jimmy.

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And Jimmy's the only one of the OG bloodline.

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They're the first four to not be a real chip.

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I guess maybe you start putting Solo and LA Knight in that terror and in your house.

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LA Knight's definitely in that group.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Definitely, LA Knight.

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Solo's getting up in that ring.

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I think I mean, Solo's beaten John Cena at SummerSlam, you know, I don't think you put Austin

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theory up in that level yet.

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Logan Paul still early in his career, you know, Bronson Reed, Bronbaraker, the ones you mentioned

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earlier.

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So, like, it probably be to me, Shinsuke, LA Knight and then Jimmy Uso.

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Yeah, it's wild.

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Like Sammy would be the guy like no one could touch him.

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It was almost a Travis.

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It was a Travesty that Sammy Tane never was WWE Champion.

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Like just a phenomenal in-ring worker that whether he was a healer or a baby face had a connection

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with the audience that not many people will ever have in their entire careers.

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And that he's working this tweener more on the healish side character as of late.

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And I grant it.

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It's Saudi Arabia.

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I mean, people were very excited because of his, you know, ethnicity and background regarding

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that country and being Muslim that, you know, that was a reaction that he got.

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But I think across the world, like despite the healish, like I don't smack that was taped

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after Raw on Monday.

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I'm excited to see Friday night.

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If I was in attendance, I would be giving Sammy Zayn a standing ovation until he, you know,

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that something healish that was, you know, maybe sit back down.

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I think wrestling fans were joist.

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But wrestlers were joist.

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There's this great video that dropped hours before you and I are recording this, Dr. Trey.

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I don't even think you've seen it yet.

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It would be my guess because you were working up until we were actually recording here.

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But Becky Lynch surprised Sammy Zayn.

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I guess it Atlantic City for the Raw Kings back down taping with Kevin Owens.

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But in Sammy Zayn said something that he was like, I knew I was, it was something along the

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lines like I knew I was liked, but I wasn't, I didn't know I was loved.

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And he's like, I'm really loved.

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And it's just like in this legitimate, like who he is as a person, Sammy Zayn character,

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like the stories that you hear about Sammy Zayn behind the scenes.

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Like it was just so fitting and appropriate.

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Like he is, he's a beloved guy.

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He's a jet, what you see on the screen is what I assume you see behind the scenes and

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I could not be more thrilled for him.

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So yeah, I mean, it just, it's amazing, Dr. Trey.

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I never thought we'd see the day, but here we are with Sammy Zayn as our WWE Champion.

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Yeah, like I said, I mean, it's amazing the world we live in now and how wrestling's changed

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so much at doing our kids.

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40 years ago, Sammy Zayn is never a World Champion, not even the government.

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He wasn't big enough.

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The Vince, the Vince Edge, I want my champions to look like they can beat up everybody, not

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that everybody can beat them up.

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You know, see him, you know, the CM probably like, you know, I look, I'm actually not wearing

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pants tonight, you know, like that stuff.

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Like Sammy wouldn't have never been in the conversation.

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He just never fit the mold, the look, the style, but you know, the way wrestling has gone,

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you know, we do like our underdogs.

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We do like our every man.

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We do like those guys that we can relate to, you know, and the crazy thing is in this new

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character of him being, you know, the last good guy actually kind of fits him winning the

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title because, you know, he is in a lot of ways outside of Rey Mysterio, just that ultimate

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underdog.

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He, Sammy Zayn, I don't think in any match we've seen him in, looks like the physically dominant

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person in any match.

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You know, he's just, he's not taller, he's not bigger to look like he does he roses belly,

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just a little bit too bigger, whatever.

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Like, he just never looks like the guy who's going to win the fight yet always kind of

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rises to the occasion, which is what we love in our baby faces.

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And it's just weird that it's happening in this current incarnation where we really have

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it even fleshed out the last good guy character yet.

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And now he's standing on top of the mountain.

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The final sequence of that triple threat match is one of the greatest sequences I've ever

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seen in a triple threat match in wrestling history.

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And that to me basically summarizes what Sammy Zayn does in a ring.

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The moveset, the methodology behind it, the psychology behind it, how well it flows once

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they're executing it, and then the outcome and the finish takes you on a ride as a wrestling

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fan that not many wrestlers can do and granted he wasn't doing it by himself, Cody, and

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Gunthru and that ring as well.

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But a lot of that is like Sammy Zayn to me.

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So, you know, to see him go from the Manhattan Center where I was watching him in Ring of

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Honor, wrestle either alongside or from one-on-one with Kevin Owens, Kevin Steen, to him holding up

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the WWE Championship in Rihard, Saudi Arabia this past.

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That afternoon is just a wild career and, you know, sure far hall of fame or one of the

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best of all time.

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And I'm just so happy that he's now has this to his name and resume and I hope he gets a decent

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run with this.

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I mean, that's the other thing.

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We could talk about for another day, but let's get into it here.

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We got a lot of ground to cover, so it's not going to be like our normal recap.

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We got a couple talking points at the end of one of each one of these shows that we'll

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cover here.

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So, just to quickly go through the results.

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So, Opa Femmey defeats Jey Uso to win the King of the Ring tournament earned a World Champ

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to Match at SummerSlam or so we thought.

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I had Opa Dr. Treha Jey.

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Eoskaide defeats Liv Morgan to win Queen of the Ring tournament earned the World Champ

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to Match at SummerSlam.

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She challenged Liv Morgan at SummerSlam following this match.

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We both at Eoskaide this one.

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Seth Rollins defeats Braun Breaker and Steel Cage match.

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A great Steel Cage match.

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I had Braun Breaker dot Tre had Seth Rollins.

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Trick Williams defeats Ricky Saints to retain the WWE United States Championship.

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We both had Trick Williams.

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Tiffany Stratton defeats Jey Cargill to retain the WWE Women's World, excuse me, Women's

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United States Championship.

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I had Tiffany Dr. Treha Jey.

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And then as we just have been discussing here, Sam Hsiehne defeats Cody Rhodes and Gunther

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to win the Undisputed WWE Championship in a triple threat match.

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We both had Cody Rhodes in this one.

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I went for and two.

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Dr. Trey went three and three.

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I went 25 and 12.

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Dr. Trey is now 24 and 13 on the year.

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Match of the night in event rating.

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I thought that this was a very good show, Dr. Trey.

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I gave the show a 4.2 and my match of the night was the triple threat match.

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It was Cody Rhodes, Sami Zayn and Gunther.

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What's it you?

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What was your event rating and match of the night for night of champions?

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So I had the show at a 4.3.

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I gave probably the extra 0.1 because my son is semi-named after Sami Zayn.

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So it was a really amazing emotional night for that end.

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And the triple threat match was also my match of the night.

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Yeah.

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And it was a great match.

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Obviously we both picked it as our match.

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And I just want to say that that match had to be perfect because I thought Braun Breaker

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and Seth Rollins was phenomenal.

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And that sealed cage match, Dr. Trey.

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That was a really, really like, wow.

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Steel cage matches in a sense are kind of like battle royals.

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They're almost like a diamond dozen.

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So you really got to pull out your A game to make a steel cage match memorable.

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And I thought Seth and Braun delivered on that level.

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And the fact that the triple threat match and I'm not going to lie.

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Maybe just on the individual match itself, the steel cage match we might have gotten

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the edge, but the emotion that I felt for seeing Sami Zayn win the title kind of pushed

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it over the edge for me.

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So that's why I think that match kind of edged out the steel cage match.

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Ernie Indicator here, I mean, we'll talk about it on our next week's show because we'll

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rent the halfway point of 2020 six now.

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If we didn't have three pay per views, we would have been covering it here on 4th July

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weekend's show, but we'll save it for next week.

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So to Sami Gunther and Cody Rhodes, sit right now in your mind for Match of the Year candidates.

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Top six, top five, it's up there.

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I still, and I know you're going to, you still don't know the triple A stuff.

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That that Grand Americano, Grand Americano match was just, it's hard to top that one for

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me because it had a little bit of everything in what, you know, we, we, you and I used to

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describe wrestling to our friends as it's soap opera with violence.

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That match was a soap opera with violence.

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This match, the only thing it was lacking really was, you know, Sami making out his wife

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or Cody making out his wife.

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That was because we saw that the triple A match.

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I mean, it was literally a love story in there too.

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So that was the only thing that was missing.

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But I would put this maybe a slight notch behind that one right now.

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But as you and I know, the longer stuff goes, sometimes our emotions get involved and it'll

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make us change our minds.

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I just have this match as a slight little bit behind the Americano match.

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So let's, let's get into it here.

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Some of the talking points we've talked at length here about Sami Zayn winning the WWE

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Championship.

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But just kind of keeping with that paste, Dr. Trey was Sami Zayn winning the WWE Championship,

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the right move or should WWE stayed with Cody Rhodes through Summer Slam.

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I'm going to say it was the right move because if you feel like you can move Cody off the

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world title and into something else and then whoever you put with Sami can still equal

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up the hype for a Summer Slam, I'm going to say it's the right move and kind of bank on

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that because once again, Sami on top, build you another main event star because now he's

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a former champion that you can always hype that up or current now, but down the line of

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former champion, it just made you basically another main event star.

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You know, that has the credibility to be a main event guy.

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So I'm going to say it's the right move.

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Yeah, I agree with you.

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I think it's the right move as well.

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I think WWE was getting to be too predictable.

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The Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns, them as champion, just makes it feel like that the hold on

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the title until WrestleMania.

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So this was a really nice pleasant surprise and on last week's show, I compared that my thoughts

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were that if Sami was going to win, it would be similar to when they put the title on

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Drew, but it would be a lot shorter window like I could see a world and I could still see

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this playing out where like Sami Zayn loses to Cody Rhodes, etc.

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and I have to make an event in MSG so that Cody has the title at Summer Slam.

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I do not think they should do that.

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I think they need to keep the title off Cody for the rest of this year.

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At this point, I think you give Sami a run.

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Give him a run and let Cody either be around the title for a little bit or find something

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else for him, like the Brock Lesnar feud that he had several years ago.

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So I don't think there's anything wrong with that Dr. Dre.

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No, and I was thinking about this as we got closer to doing the show.

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You still have Randy Orton sitting on the sidelines.

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I mean, Randy Orton could come in and cost Sami Zayn, or cost Cody Rhodes the title, then

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you spend back to a Cody Randy feud.

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And then Sami can feud with Gunther or LA Knight or somebody else in the meantime until

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you decide to put the belt back on Cody to head into WrestleMania season.

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So you could do it that way or Cody's in the chase come WrestleMania season.

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But what it does is spreads out your roster where whoever Cody's fighting is a main event

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quality match because it's Cody Rhodes of all.

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Sami has the world title, so anything he does is a main event quality.

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So you basically have made two different main event lines and smack down by doing this

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one result.

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Shifting years to the men's King of the Ring was Obafemi forgoing his championship match

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at Summerslam for a Hell in a Cell match against Brock Lesnar at Summerslam, frustrating

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or is it good, creative?

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It's frustrating because you're basically telling me that fighting Brock is more important

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to being a World Champion.

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And anybody who gets into wrestling, they all want to be a World Champion.

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I mean, we literally saw Sami Zayn chase this title for 20 years to get to this point.

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So especially when it's only the second, third year that they've done this where the winner

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gets to shot the world at Summerslam to dip out on it now, Lesnar is the importance of

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winning King of the Ring.

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So now it's like, well, you can win it, but to me, Oba not challenging for the title and

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you're bypassing a shot at Roman Reigns at Summerslam to fight Brock Lesnar.

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Yeah, like I guess on some levels it's kind of the same, but it's also Roman Reigns and

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the WWE World Championship.

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To me, that doesn't make sense.

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Yeah, him saying that the titles will always be there.

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And you can get it at any time, but this is not.

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It's lame.

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I didn't like it at all.

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Like why do it?

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And that point, him saying that titles will always be there.

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How Sami Zayn went over what, 11 World title shots before he finally got one?

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Yeah.

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How many World title shots did Mr. Perfect get in WS?

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You know, it's not always the case.

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God forbid, he could have a catastrophic knee injury in Hell and Celica's Brock Lesnar and

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basically never be World Champion.

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So it makes it sound dismissive and it also deligitimizes people chasing the championship

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for years and decades.

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So I hated that line because it made it sound like beating Brock Lesnar is more important

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than being World Champion.

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Yeah, I didn't like it either.

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I felt like there was an easier way to do that.

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But there we go.

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So he foregoes his championship match, did not challenge him, Sami not challenging the

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OTC.

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The OTC does have a match for Somersam, Dr. Trey Roman Reigns versus Seth Rollins.

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It's officially set for Somersam.

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Is this the most pivotal match of Reigns' tribal chief era?

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And is it one that he needs to win?

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Because I thought Rollins had a great promo to close out Roll on Monday night to set this

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all up and lay this groundwork for this question.

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So what do you think?

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Is this the one that Roman Reigns needs to win during this tribal chief era?

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No, I don't think so.

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I mean, he had a three year run as the champ and then came back and wanted to get at WrestleMania.

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You know, in a sense.

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Like, I mean, his track record was set there.

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I think I look at the results.

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Seth was the only guy that he didn't cleanly beat.

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You know, he had a pinfall victory over when he was in that tribal chief run-up Smackdown.

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His leg is he's established.

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The only thing he needs is for is like, if you were going to say, hey, out of that group,

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who was the top guy?

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Maybe you can make an argument for Seth be the top guy if Roman can beat him here.

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But I don't think this damages his legacy or anything if Seth comes out on top.

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So I don't think he needs this win.

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I just think it's just another feather in the cap if he gets it.

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If there's one person though that has had the best of Roman Reigns throughout his entire

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career, it's Seth Ron's talk to try.

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I mean, he helped end the reign at WrestleMania, right?

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He sacrificed himself.

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You know, he has played mind games with Reigns forever.

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You know, he defeated him at WrestleMania again, reciting that triple threat match with CM Punk.

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So I do think that there's something to it that this is like the one bugaboo turn in this

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tribal chief error for Roman Reigns.

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Yeah, I mean, he's the, Seth is the macho man to Roman's Hogan or Seth is the Piper to

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Roman's Hogan.

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Roman's Hogan, yeah, that's what I said, right?

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The every, every top guy has had that thorn in their side.

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You know, for Flair, it was dusty, you know, you could make the argument that, you know,

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for staying, it was loo-ger and vice versa.

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Like, there's always that guy that's always that thorn in your side that you can never just

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cleanly always, you know, be decisive wins over.

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But these guys are such top guys that I don't think if you're like, oh, well, Roman only

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went seven and five against Seth.

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We got to bust him down a peg.

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To me, I'm like, yeah, but Seth's first ball of Hall of Famer, you know, I saw Seth, you

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know, and that promise that Roman should get his own night when he goes in the Hall of Famer,

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you could make the same argument for Seth.

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You know, so it's, I don't think it's as pressing, but it's a good way to play up the angle.

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And for the character of Seth Rollins, to not use that to play mind games with the character

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of Roman Reigns, but would make sense.

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So it fits the storyline and fits the narrative.

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It also fits the fact that both guys are technically quasi baby faces, but I don't think if somebody

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was like looking, I don't think really if you're ranking the greatest champions of all

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time, you know, you're like, well, John Cena only went 15 and 10 against Randy Orton that

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eliminates John Cena from the top guy.

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You know, I just don't think it's a bad level type thing.

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And then lastly here, Dr. Trey Russell votes is reporting on their Fightful Select Radio

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show, quote, "some within WWE believe that the vision could continue."

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But only if it's reimagined and that includes member changes.

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Another side of that is some feel the group has run its course and it's time to, quote,

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let the pieces fall where they may, regardless of how things turn out.

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Paul Haven is positioned to remain paired with Broadbreaker and quote, "Dr. Trey, we saw

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a weird interaction between Austin Theory and Paul Heyman on Raw this past Monday.

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It does feel like the vision is Reigns' course.

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Do you think that this is the end of the vision in WWE?

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I don't know if it's the end of the vision.

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It might like, like, wrestle close to it.

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It might be the end of this incarnation because it's really hard to have a group when everybody's

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heart.

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I mean, you only have Broadbreaker in Austin.

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There is the only healthy guys in the vision right now of, you know, two, two other guys

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are out injured.

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It's kind of hard to have a major faction when half the faction's injured.

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So I've said for a while, like, I think they still need some kind of veteran presence in this

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group, Aalha, CM Punk, Joining Nexus.

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They need somebody in there to be their bankable star.

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I mean, Broadbreaker's there, but you also want that veteran that has that cachet in

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it, whether it's an LA Knight or somebody else that kind of front the group a little bit.

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Because to me, the ultimate breakaway is going to be when they turn on Broadbreaker and

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make them a baby face.

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So if you spin them out now, you know, and kind of break up the group now, he doesn't have

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that opportunity.

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So I would hang on to at least a loose affiliation of it.

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Just wait for everybody to help.

452
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,480
It feels like that this is getting dangerously close to win Paul Haven, like, Manage Curtis

453
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,160
Axle and Ryback, Dr. Trey.

454
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,920
It's, yeah, it had some potential, but now it just feels like it's running its course.

455
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,600
So we'll see what they end up doing with Paul Haven and the Vision Group.

456
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040
I almost don't want to see it end because I feel like that would be a disservice to all

457
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,760
those guys, but it also does feel like it's kind of ran its course right now.

458
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,600
It's very unfortunate because it's just been absolutely ridiculed by injuries throughout

459
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,400
the entire time the storyline has been going on.

460
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Yeah, I just know something is Austin Theory.

461
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,680
You know, they're, uh, do you remember the guy that went on married with children?

462
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,880
He was a Jefferson Darcy and they always said what his name is Ted McGinley.

463
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Every show he went on got canceled within a year or two of him being on it with his happy

464
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,680
days, married with children, like he was the death now.

465
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Is Austin Theory that death now like a Boston theory joins your group?

466
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000
It gets discarded pretty quickly.

467
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,920
Like he had that group with Seth, uh, right before COVID.

468
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Uh, then he went and joined the way and then it went away.

469
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Now he joins the vision and now the vision is he.

470
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Austin Theory might be that black cloud that just destroys groups.

471
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,440
Yeah, he may be.

472
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,880
He certainly may be, uh, because he has just had some pretty, pretty tough luck during

473
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,360
his entire career.

474
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,440
So, uh, any other news and notes here, Dr. Trey, from Night of Champions that you'd like

475
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,600
to cover before we switch gears to Forbidden Door?

476
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:49,760
I'm trying to think, no, I think the Jates, the J Tiffie, so with Charlotte getting

477
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,280
involved made sense.

478
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Um, the Oba J stuff, the Oba, like Oba discarding the King of the Ring that, you know, that

479
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,760
championship match.

480
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,960
Do they say I missed when, uh, when Adam here's the target?

481
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Did they say that he still has the opportunity to challenge later on or just that thing

482
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,680
is gone?

483
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Oba, you're saying?

484
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,960
Yeah.

485
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Yeah, I think he's these just before COVID.

486
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Yeah, it's.

487
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,240
I mean, at least they addressed it, but I would have been like, okay, well, you're giving

488
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,240
it up.

489
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,240
Well, exactly, right?

490
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,280
I mean, should it be like a Miss America, like if Miss America can't fulfill her duties,

491
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,880
the runner up becomes Miss America.

492
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Well, what about this though?

493
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,200
Like, why not do?

494
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,520
It's a two-night event.

495
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Why not do night one, Helen O'Cell?

496
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,480
Night two.

497
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,480
Who are you facing?

498
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,480
Yeah.

499
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,480
Forbidden Door, that's the case.

500
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,920
All they could have easily done is play Brock's music.

501
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Oba gets distracted, Jay wins.

502
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,920
It's an easy fix.

503
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,920
And to go the route of like, no, no, no, Oba wins King of the Ring, but doesn't give a shit

504
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,840
about the, sorry, pardon my language, but doesn't give a shit about the World title match.

505
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Just, or just de-emphasizes how important winning King of the Ring is.

506
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
And they just brought it back within the last couple of years.

507
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,120
Well, could you imagine if Jay also ends up being the opponent for Sammy Zane somehow

508
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,120
at Summerslam?

509
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,120
They did hug.

510
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,000
They did hug and they did the handshake.

511
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Jay said on Raw, he's going to Smackdown to confront Sammy because he wants to bring the

512
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,160
World away championship to the bloodline.

513
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,160
So yeah, there you go.

514
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,960
Nine of champions in the books, switching gears here to AW Forbidden Door this past Sunday

515
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,080
from the SAP Center in San Jose, California.

516
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Couple to buy in matches.

517
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,720
We had Drill and Maloney defeating Daniel Garcia.

518
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Makia defeating Sky Blue and a TBS.

519
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Makia defied it defeating Sky Blue and a TBS championship survival to fit his qualifying

520
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,760
match.

521
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,720
So it divided Dominion defeating Thunder Rosa and Olympia to retain the AW Women's World

522
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Tag Team Championship.

523
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,200
The box to fit in unbound company and L-Sky team and a three-way tag team match.

524
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,080
Kenny Omega to fit in Zach Saber Jr. John Moxley to retain the AW kind of championship

525
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,080
over Bandito.

526
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,480
Showed it, Umano defeating Pock to retain the IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship.

527
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,080
Techland to fit in Starlight Kid to retain the AW Women's World Championship.

528
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Christian Cage and Adam Copeland to fit in the dogs to retain the AW World Tag Team Championship.

529
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,920
Forbidden Door City's won a defeating Maya World to win the Women's Owl and Heart Cup

530
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Final.

531
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,160
She now earns a AW Women's World Championship match at all.

532
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Then Team Briscoe defeating Team DC MJF in the 12-man Steel Cage match.

533
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Very cool.

534
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,360
What do they call it?

535
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,360
The Deaths Door?

536
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,360
Was that the name they went with?

537
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Deaths Door.

538
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,760
Yeah, that was a great looking Steel Cage.

539
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,960
So props to them for coming up with that.

540
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Mark Briscoe earns earned an AW World Championship match.

541
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,560
This past Wednesday on Dynamite and unfortunately lost.

542
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Then Real Osprey defeated Swarth Strickland in the men's Owl and Heart Cup Final.

543
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,520
Osprey earns an AW World Championship match at AW All-In.

544
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Dr. Trey, why is AW giving us MJF vs. Kenny Omega this Wednesday at Dynamite Beach Break

545
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,800
now.

546
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:04,600
We just had MJF vs. Mark Briscoe for the title to open up Dynamite this past week.

547
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,120
We have a pay-per-view in a couple weeks in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

548
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,440
The home country of Kenny Omega called redemption.

549
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Why are we not doing MJF vs. Kenny Omega then and we're doing it now?

550
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,680
I honestly have no idea.

551
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Is there more to this?

552
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,480
That's what Dr. Trey figure out because I'm like, what's a bigger draw for Wembley Stadium?

553
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Is it Omega Osprey or MJF Osprey?

554
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Because I mean, that's like, you know, we've seen it on, you know, we've heard for years,

555
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,680
like, they're always booking towards WrestleMania, right?

556
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,440
And all-in is for all intents of purposes, they're WrestleMania.

557
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Like, aren't you trying to, like, what's the bigger attraction in MJF or Kenny Omega?

558
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Maybe it is Kenny Omega and then you're trying to do something to switch stuff up now.

559
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:03,120
I don't get it because, you know, even with the Mark Briscoe thing, I don't see Mark

560
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,080
Briscoe and Will Osprey being a main event caliber match for all in.

561
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,320
Now Kenny can slide in that shot and I'm good with it.

562
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,240
But it goes back to, was it all in last year when they had that backstage segment after

563
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:19,040
both guys lost?

564
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,840
Maybe that's the direction they're headed, but once again, you're saying the same thing.

565
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
If you're having a paper you in Canada, why not just wait until you get to Canada, pull

566
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,160
the shirt or so.

567
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,400
Yeah, sometimes they, as much as I've enjoyed the programming, sometimes they're booking

568
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400
decisions, make them be scratching my head.

569
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,720
Yeah, I'm thinking Kenny Omega is winning the championship on Wednesday, Dr. Trey, because

570
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,280
the stipulation where if Kenny loses, he could ever challenge for the championship again.

571
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,520
I'm getting the vibe that he's walking out as AW World Champion and more likely a path

572
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:55,240
that we see is Will Osprey versus Kenny Omega for the title at AW All-In.

573
00:34:55,240 --> 00:35:01,360
I think Hangman Adam Page gets involved somehow and we get Page versus MJF at all in.

574
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,440
I think that's maybe why they're doing it now.

575
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,480
Maybe MJF is off television for a couple of weeks heading it all in.

576
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,040
Is he filming something?

577
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,920
It just seems odd that we're doing it now, but I do think a week from today, you and I

578
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,200
are sitting here going Kenny Omega is the new AW World Champion.

579
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Yeah, or they could be like, "Hey, that career killer thing Gunther's doing, we can kind

580
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,560
of do the same thing with MJF because he keeps putting these stipulations on guys and they

581
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,920
can't challenge for the title anymore."

582
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,040
And that's the rather going, "What you said makes sense, because we haven't seen

583
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,760
Hangman in what three months now, three, four months."

584
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,800
So it makes sense to do it that way, but at the same time, I can easily see them just pulling

585
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,400
the trigger, letting MJF win and Kenny can't challenge the title as long as MJF's on

586
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,400
top.

587
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,800
Osprey wins it all in and Kenny's his first challenger coming out of all it.

588
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Yeah, I don't know.

589
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,640
It just seems very odd like you're not saving it for the Canadian pay-per-view because then

590
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,960
what are you doing on redemption?

591
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,840
Even if MJF wins and retains and Kenny is not the one.

592
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,240
I mean, what are they going to do with MJF at redemption then?

593
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,240
Right?

594
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,480
I mean, you've just grown to, you think so?

595
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480
No, I'm just, that's Canadian, I was just thinking.

596
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Yeah, right, just all Canadian pay-per-view.

597
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,160
Like, what will they do?

598
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Like, who's next for him?

599
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Oh, yeah, I...

600
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,720
I mean, we certainly do not see Kenny coming, but they're, you know, they're hyping up Kenny's

601
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:29,720
own two against MJF.

602
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,680
This could be the last time he challenges for the title.

603
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,960
I mean, who...

604
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,360
They just did brisco.

605
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Like brisco would have been my choice for redemption, but they did it right away.

606
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,960
Fine, okay.

607
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400
The Kenny stuff makes sense, the way that it's being set up to it for redemption, nope, we're

608
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,720
doing it next week.

609
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,360
So then what do you do for your pay-per-view then for the AW World Championship?

610
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,000
I mean, we've seen them do short turn-arounds on some of these angles.

611
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,280
I mean, you could take a Kyle, like a Kyle O'Reilly.

612
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,480
You know, just had that great match with Mox, a couple of weeks back at a favorite view.

613
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:07,280
Like, you could cycle up to the conglomeration or you could cycle somebody else up to do it

614
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:13,280
because, you know, we don't even really know where their storyline is going for their main

615
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
event match at this favorite view in Canada.

616
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,400
So like to me, it's kind of like it's weird you're putting this buffer pay-per-view.

617
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,240
It's kind of like when they threw that year, they threw it through roadblock in between

618
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,680
the elimination chamber and WrestleMania.

619
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Just like, what, like, why is it here?

620
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,720
Like at this point, we kind of know we're just take the time to build up, you know, WrestleMania.

621
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,360
Just take the time to build a ball and, oh, no, we got an AW World Championship in Canada.

622
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,560
Maybe we do MJF in Jericho because it's in Canada and we can play off the, they can do a dance

623
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,240
routine and singing number like they did years ago leading up to it.

624
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,240
Who knows?

625
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:58,360
But it's just weird that like they kind of sometimes burn through their challengers.

626
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,360
We sell a Darby.

627
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Darby ran through like eight guys in a matter of like four weeks to build up his title defense

628
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,400
number and then you're like, well, you got to pull the trigger and take the belt off

629
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,400
of them now.

630
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400
There's no more challengers left after MJF.

631
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,840
In a sense, it's kind of like that where it's like, I mean, could you cycle up like a

632
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,920
member of the hurt business?

633
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,640
You know, could you cycle up?

634
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,320
You could like really based on how that case match would, you could throw Indraude into that

635
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,840
match with MJF, you know, as well.

636
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Who did you say?

637
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,840
Andrade.

638
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Yeah, that's a good point.

639
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Andrade.

640
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,600
You know, you can cycle up maybe a B plus level guy.

641
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Wow.

642
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Shot's fired.

643
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Shot's fired and Andrade.

644
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,600
How you know?

645
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Andrade has never been a world.

646
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,600
Andrade has never been a world champion.

647
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,600
And I see champ.

648
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,600
World champion.

649
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600
But how you know?

650
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,600
How you know?

651
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,600
How you know?

652
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,600
I know.

653
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,600
All right.

654
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600
So with that said, who is most likely to face the newest death rider?

655
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Will Osprey at all in?

656
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,480
I'm still going to lead MJF.

657
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:14,840
I just I still feel like MJF, your mega heal, your top heal against.

658
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,080
He may not be the top baby face right now because of the death

659
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,200
rider affiliation, but in London, in Wembley Stadium, there's

660
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,200
going to be damn near 80,000 people standing on their feet cheering

661
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,680
for Osprey.

662
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,720
You still want to do top heal versus top baby face at all.

663
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,200
And so I still lean with MJF in this one.

664
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,760
Would you think of a well-lossed bridge on the death

665
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,920
riders on Wednesdays?

666
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,920
I don't mind.

667
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,240
It was very poorly executed, right?

668
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,960
He gets handed the patch.

669
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Then he doesn't really respond to Moxley.

670
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,720
And then it takes Excalibur on commentary to be like he's

671
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,800
joined the death riders.

672
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,240
And they showed the patch so it on his gear.

673
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,400
That was pretty badly executed from a production standpoint.

674
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,640
But what do you think of it creatively?

675
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,360
I mean, it creates business.

676
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,200
If MJF wins it all in.

677
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,320
And now Mox is like, hey, you only want because of us.

678
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Now he's got a whole group of guys to challenge again.

679
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,760
I mean, whether it's Pog or Claudio or even Moxley himself,

680
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,080
it makes sense because the best built baby faces are

681
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,160
usually the ones that break out of staples like that.

682
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,800
But watching that segment though, it reminded me of an ACEs

683
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,520
and 8th segment from TNA.

684
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Ooh.

685
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,720
It was just kind of like--

686
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,800
yeah, it was like, this is not being well done.

687
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,760
It actually also reminded me of when Jericho was recruiting

688
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Mox to join that first group he had before the JAS.

689
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,240
And Mox took the T-shirt--

690
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,640
oh, the inner circle.

691
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,600
When Jericho was rooting Mox to the inner circle,

692
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,120
and Mox took the shards, but then smashed the champagne

693
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,640
bottle over Jericho's head.

694
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,360
But it was kind of like, all right, this is weird.

695
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,440
And you feel it from the rest of the group too.

696
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,880
Half the group is invested in Ospreay joined there.

697
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,480
I was like, why are we bothering?

698
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,720
It was kind of like, it wasn't well done.

699
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,000
And Ospreay's there getting training.

700
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Why would he not be excited about being a full-fledged member?

701
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,400
Like, why go through that unless you're

702
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,240
trying to join the group?

703
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:20,240
You know, it was just kind of weird and clunky and awkward,

704
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,200
and not really well executed, like you said.

705
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,720
Yeah, I think from a creative standpoint,

706
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,120
they have set it up where like the other death writers are

707
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,080
embracing him.

708
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,640
It just feels like, OK, what's the end goal here?

709
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,040
Is the death writers a certain baby face?

710
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520
I think there are fans that are clamoring for that.

711
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Or does the death writers eventually turn on Ospreay?

712
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Like, let's say Ospreay went to championship

713
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,240
and then the next one's Ann Dynamite.

714
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,920
It's like, OK, now hand over the title to Moxley.

715
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,720
He got you here.

716
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,520
There could be a little bit of that as well.

717
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,360
So it's going-- it could go either way.

718
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,120
And that's what's exciting about it.

719
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,680
I'm invested in the storyline.

720
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,640
I just wish some of the execution was a little bit better,

721
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,480
because I did think it was like unanswered questions.

722
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,720
I thought the segment was pretty decent to open up

723
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:07,560
to Dynamite.

724
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:08,040
I enjoyed it.

725
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,880
Despite the ACEs and eight comparison from New

726
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,880
Doctor Trey, which is fair, I enjoyed it.

727
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,800
I just didn't like the execution like commentary

728
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,720
had it tell me that he eventually joined.

729
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,680
And it's also on his gear, because that was like 10 minutes

730
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,920
through that match before they finally pointed that out.

731
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,200
Maybe they didn't know about it.

732
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520
It was hard to see on his gear, quite honestly.

733
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,720
And then I guess anything else from Forbidden Door

734
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,120
and Outtrib before we move over to NXT Great American Bash?

735
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Why the hell do you have Mercedes-Bonae

736
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,120
with the DMO and Cullen Cup?

737
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,480
Completely against that.

738
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,760
There's nobody else.

739
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,680
There's nobody else.

740
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,280
And then once again, now you're going

741
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,480
to match with Mercedes and Thecla, which on paper,

742
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,300
if you're like, hey, we're getting

743
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:52,200
Thecla and Mercedes, you're like, that's a damn good matchup.

744
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Who's the crowd going to cheer for?

745
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Tecla.

746
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,640
And she's basically embarrassing everybody that comes around her.

747
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,320
So she's the quintessential Queen Bitch character

748
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,000
against the other quintessential Queen Bitch character.

749
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,280
There's a thing that might, honestly, you might watch a lot

750
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,840
of people walk out of the building at all

751
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,040
and go get a drink or--

752
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,160
that will be the match that fans don't care about,

753
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,440
because fans aren't positively invested in either character

754
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:22,920
right now.

755
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,320
So I just don't understand why you make--

756
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,720
at this point, if you got Maya World in the finals,

757
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:28,400
throw her in the mix.

758
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,840
Make her look like she has no shot at winning.

759
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,120
There's no way she can do it.

760
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,800
And then she does the unthinkable at all in.

761
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,240
That's a great story.

762
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,200
Mercedes winning, not a great story.

763
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,760
Thecla winning, not really a great story.

764
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,200
I like great stories.

765
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,640
Yeah, the women's division, A.W. is--

766
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,240
it's not well booked right now.

767
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,800
They're hamstrung a little bit.

768
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,520
I mean, a lot of top stars are either out,

769
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,000
like Tony Storm or injured or coming back from injury

770
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,640
and like Willow Nightingale.

771
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,920
And there's not a lot of investment.

772
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,600
I would have brought back Mercedes-Monae

773
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
maybe as a baby face then, if that was the direction

774
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,840
that they were booking themselves into.

775
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,520
But I almost feel like this wasn't supposed to happen.

776
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,280
I can't imagine that Ceree, who was removed from injury,

777
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,600
was supposed to win it all.

778
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,880
Something's got to give here.

779
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,760
The Maya World story was fine.

780
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,200
I feel for her and what her family's gone through

781
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,880
in the last month, obviously, with the tragic death

782
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,360
of her young brother, her brother.

783
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,800
Like, that's awful.

784
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,400
But I couldn't tell you three Maya World matches.

785
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
I think every time I saw her on television in A.W.

786
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,520
she was working with Hayan as like a developmental talent

787
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,560
to put over another 10 women's tag team.

788
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,440
Like, she never was winning matches.

789
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,000
So that to me, like, fine, nice story, makes her feel good.

790
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,720
It just felt like as a wrestling fan watching

791
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:59,400
play out, it just felt inauthentic, which was not great.

792
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,360
And again, I don't know.

793
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,840
Maybe they were kind of booked into a corner.

794
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,400
I did not love the Maya World Cinderella one, Dr. Tre,

795
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,680
because she never was connecting with the audience prior to all this.

796
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Yeah.

797
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,880
Yeah.

798
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,880
But that's the thing.

799
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,600
Once again, you try to book stuff far out.

800
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,600
So you know, like-- but that's the thing.

801
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,520
And you and I are in business.

802
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,400
And you and I both have decent big time jobs.

803
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,520
And like, you have plan A, but then you've got to have plan B, C, and D.

804
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,880
And it felt like they had plan A. And then when plan A didn't work,

805
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,600
they just went, OK, let's have Mercedes win the whole thing.

806
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Like, that was plan B. And then there was no deviating from it.

807
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,120
I mean, I thought there were better challengers

808
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,560
in the TBS survival of the fittest match that we saw

809
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,040
than there was in this tournament.

810
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,360
You know, like, I could have picked almost anybody--

811
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,600
I would say five of the six ladies in that match,

812
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,280
I think, have more at least as much, if not more credibility than Maya World.

813
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,280
And you could have put anyone in the finals.

814
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,760
And if Mercedes won, I'm like, all right, I get it.

815
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:11,000
But I mean, hardly cameras, maybe most organically over females on the roster.

816
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Why not put her in that position?

817
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,040
You know, like, you could have slid--

818
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,800
I mean, you could have slid stat lander back into that mix.

819
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,600
You could have slid, oh, Queen Amanata.

820
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,120
You know, in the finals, because Mercedes-Benz,

821
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,800
I would have been a little more invested in it.

822
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,760
And even one of those girls, I thought,

823
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,640
would have been a better challenger in the finals than Maya World.

824
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,200
They were scrambling, Dr. Tri.

825
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,760
Whatever the original plans were, they were scrambling.

826
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:41,120
And they had nobody organically that was going to get underneath

827
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,520
with the audience and build up to be like, OK,

828
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,960
this is the person to go challenge, tech lit all in.

829
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,960
I think they were trying to conjure it up with Maya World,

830
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:53,240
but prior to her booking outside of her horrific family tragedy,

831
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,360
prior to all that, her wrestling, I couldn't tell you.

832
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,240
Like, anything else other than her being like, feeder talent in tag team matches,

833
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,720
like just kind of like a job or--

834
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:03,600
so there you go.

835
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,880
Anything else from Forbidden Door, if we move over to Grand American Bash?

836
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,680
You got your boy back, Jay White's back.

837
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,440
I love Jay White.

838
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,920
Great promo on Ty and Mike.

839
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,480
I love that segment.

840
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,400
And I love that he's still acting like his normal healer, Stealth,

841
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,400
calling out Billy.

842
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,720
Billy-- Billy O. Yeah, welcome back, Jay White.

843
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,000
That was about it.

844
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,960
Yeah, other than that, it was a good show.

845
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Yeah, it was a good show.

846
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,320
I enjoyed the show.

847
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,560
But those were my main takeaways.

848
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,760
Yeah, I wish they explained what Jay White was out with.

849
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,120
That's like one of the things with AW.

850
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,480
I feel like they do an awful job.

851
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,160
They never explain injuries.

852
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Like, maybe feel invested as a fan.

853
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,480
So all right.

854
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,640
Anyway, NXT Grand American Bash this past Sunday

855
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,680
from the WWE Performance Center in Orlando Florida,

856
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Tony DeAngelo defeated N'Raku to retain the NXT Championship.

857
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Thoughts on that match, Dr. Trey?

858
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,160
It was OK.

859
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Just a little-- I don't want to say I was surprised.

860
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,160
I just-- I don't know.

861
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,040
I don't know about you.

862
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,200
But when they bring the new guys in, they hype them up,

863
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,920
and then they don't win their first match.

864
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,720
Like, how far down do you push them at this point?

865
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,080
But you're kind of seeing that he's still lingering.

866
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,240
Like, N'Raku is still lingering on the top of the roster.

867
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,240
But-- I don't know.

868
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,880
I-- I like Tony D. I just don't know if I like Tony D

869
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,720
as NXT Champion.

870
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,760
Yeah, I could see that.

871
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,480
I think that's understandable.

872
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Yeah, I just figured I'd pause there because it's like,

873
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,800
you bring in N'Raku evil, and he takes the L.

874
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,960
And then they follow up on Tuesday.

875
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,120
And basically, N'Raku's just trying to blind Tony

876
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,640
DeAngelo at this point.

877
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,080
So which I found very odd.

878
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:39,880
You do that.

879
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:40,680
What would you do that--

880
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,440
Yeah, it's just let's blind Tony DeAngelo.

881
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,800
Zary DeFeeder Tane impacts later

882
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,240
Tane NXT Women's North American Championship.

883
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,600
Shadow Hill, DeFeeder Tristan Angels, Red Sinclair,

884
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,000
DeFeeder D'Arion, Grace Routine,

885
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,680
the WWE Women's Speed Championship.

886
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,840
Sequad Sugar's DeFeeder Dion Lennox.

887
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,520
Miles Bourne, DeFeeder Tane Beyond Heights,

888
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,680
ReTane NXT North American Championship.

889
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,400
And Kendall Gray defeated Lola Vice

890
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,800
to win the NXT Women's Championship.

891
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Dr. Trace Kendall Gray already is

892
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,640
already ready to carry NXT as Women's Champion,

893
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,480
where did WWE move the title onto her too soon?

894
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,320
I think this is a little bit the sole Ruka Intercontinental

895
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,080
Test.

896
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Like, in-ring, fantastic, maybe the most naturally gifted female

897
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,200
wrestler we've seen in a long time.

898
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,800
She admitted herself in her promo that she's not great at

899
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,200
promos.

900
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,720
But when you have somebody that can put on a good match

901
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:40,800
with anybody on the roster, that's kind of a win.

902
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,440
I just think they're showing a lot of faith in a girl

903
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,000
that's only been signed to the company for about a year.

904
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,160
So I'll lean on their judgment here and say that they made

905
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,880
the right call on this.

906
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,240
It just sucks for Lola Vice to that feel like Lola is finally

907
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:55,880
coming into her own.

908
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,520
And you could feel the confidence growing.

909
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,800
You could feel her taking the roster on her back and then to pull

910
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,400
this kind of quickly is a little weird.

911
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,040
I'm just wondering if we're going to get the--

912
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,320
we usually see this on the men's side.

913
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,200
Usually we have a baby face champion.

914
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,360
They lose the title.

915
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,400
They turn ill.

916
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,920
I'm just wondering if we're going to see a Lola Vice Eel turn

917
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,960
coming out of this.

918
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,040
I think that is a good possibility for sure

919
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,160
to the Lola Vice Eel turn.

920
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,840
I believe Kendall Gray has been under contract for at least

921
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:22,840
two years and more because I've ever

922
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,240
seen her on NXT level up.

923
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,120
She was on a vault for a little bit on the NXT roster

924
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,320
within the last year.

925
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,360
Extremely talented.

926
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,200
I agree with you that I think this is a test for her.

927
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,960
I watched her cut her promo to open up NXT on Tuesday night.

928
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,840
And all I could think of was she is such a natural talent

929
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,360
that I think for her, we have to look at the WrestleMania

930
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,600
timeline right now.

931
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,080
I could see she tears up NXT for the next six months,

932
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,840
departs all out like an Oba Femi,

933
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,280
and then enters the women's Royal Rumble.

934
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,480
It does her great performance.

935
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,920
Maybe she wins elimination chamber,

936
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,040
and she's in a championship match at WrestleMania.

937
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Like that is, I think, the sky for her right now.

938
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,320
I think the sky is the limit.

939
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,920
And I think she's main roster, I think she's main roster bound in

940
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,920
2027.

941
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,760
>> So you're thinking that you were like this Stephanie

942
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,960
about core run?

943
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,000
>> I think it's possible, yes.

944
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,000
>> Yeah.

945
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,840
>> No, I mean, and as long as she can keep improving her

946
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,720
promos, like she says out, like she doesn't really get,

947
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,040
she really hasn't cut a lot of promos.

948
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,880
Most of her stuff has been backstage segments.

949
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,760
So in ringability, look, everything else she's got all that.

950
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,760
This is her test to see if she can promo wise, carry a feud,

951
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,640
carry a rivalry to make sure that we can put her on the main roster.

952
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Because I think maybe they're learning a little bit from the Saul

953
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,760
Rook experiment, like we got to make sure,

954
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,960
before we strap a rocket ship to her,

955
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,960
she can carry herself in whatever weakness they think she has.

956
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,560
I think this is the right move to kind of go,

957
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,880
hey, we trust you that you're going to get better at this one week area.

958
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,880
And let's just make sure you've proved us right.

959
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,920
>> For me, Dr. Trey, I feel like the way I look at Kendall Gray is,

960
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,720
a year from now July, 2027, I think she's on the main roster.

961
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:24,040
The debut is, is she tearing up NXT in popular so much that she has a run

962
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,680
for the next six months and then debut is in that first quarter of 2027,

963
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,320
leading in the WrestleMania, where she's someone that they leave off

964
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,040
until WrestleMania 43 passes, until stand and deliver passes and

965
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,520
call her up in that second quarter of 2027.

966
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,080
I think there's no way that she gets injured in NXT,

967
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,800
like at the end of 2027.

968
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,200
I think she is a main roster star in NXT right now.

969
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,880
>> Do you think that at some point here in the next two months,

970
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,080
they're going to have a run turn on her?

971
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,560
I don't, I don't.

972
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200
It feels like they could, I don't though.

973
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:10,480
>> Because as long as Red is Speed Champion, then it feels like they both have title bells,

974
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,840
they're not going to play the professional Chelsea angle.

975
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,480
>> They do that way too much in WWE.

976
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,920
>> Yeah, but they do that in wrestling in general too much.

977
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,120
>> Yeah.

978
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,480
>> Somebody just, we saw it a little bit with Speedball and Kevin Knight.

979
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,560
It's like it is kind of like professional Chelsea Rears is likely at another guy wants to be a star.

980
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,920
It's just, I like Rensseln Claire.

981
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,120
I think Rensseln Claire is a better heal than a baby face.

982
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,680
But we're talking about that, if they pull the trigger low of vice,

983
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,960
low of vice goes heal, we're going to be saying the same thing.

984
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,120
So it's just, it's weird.

985
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,480
And this is kind of now if that keeps us, I watch more triple A,

986
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,640
is they almost ignore the triple A steps.

987
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,520
So like maybe they turn low of vice, heal in NXT, but she's still a baby face when she goes to triple A.

988
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,080
Who knows?

989
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,400
But I think, but I do think, and I almost stand by this.

990
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:12,720
I think Kendall Gray is the most gifted wrestler female that WWE has brought onto the roster in the last decade at least.

991
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,000
>> Yeah, she's phenomenal.

992
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,040
>> She's so good in the ring.

993
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:22,440
I mean, it's like, and it was crazy as you know, you've had second generation females come through that roster.

994
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,400
You know, Ava's the Ziya Brooksides.

995
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,680
>> Ava.

996
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,400
>> She's better than Ava.

997
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,760
>> You said the rock starter?

998
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,000
>> Well, she's a second generation person and she was just not a good in the ring.

999
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,760
What I'm saying is you have a lot of second generation people come through there, there are females.

1000
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,440
Not nearly as good as what Kendall Gray can do in the ring.

1001
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,480
>> Ziya Brooksides, TNA knockouts champion, by the way.

1002
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,440
>> Ariana Grace.

1003
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:49,960
>> Ariana Grace, yeah.

1004
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,680
>> No, I mean, Kendall Gray is prodigy.

1005
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,920
And the last question here at Dr. Trey to wrap up this week's edition of the show.

1006
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,920
I guess outside of Kendall Gray, who impressed you the most in NXT Great American Bash?

1007
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,280
>> Great American Bash.

1008
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Ziya's like, they almost made her, I don't say the female Brock Lesnar, I mean,

1009
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,160
because she has like an F5 variation.

1010
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:16,240
But she has looked pretty dominant since she threw Saul Ruka off that stage or whatever.

1011
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,280
>> She like reverted back to her character when she debuted.

1012
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,640
>> Yeah, yeah.

1013
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:27,440
So she's looking like the Ziya we all thought she was going to be, which I'm really happy about.

1014
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,280
That was the one for me.

1015
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Like I said, the Tony D nervous of them just weird to me because I don't know.

1016
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:44,640
Also, Tony D having that denim jacket with the leather sleeves reminds me of triple H returning from the hamstrings there.

1017
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Too much and maybe that's why I don't like, I don't know.

1018
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,080
There's just something about Tony D right now that's not connecting with me.

1019
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,240
And I was hoping for a challenge.

1020
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:58,840
I also, I'm still not on the Mason Rook train yet.

1021
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,640
But Tavy got Heights, I will say in Tavy Heights in losing, also we really did impress me.

1022
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:11,160
I'm like, yeah, he's really gunned the ring and in a year he'll be challenging for the NXT Championship.

1023
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,160
>> I have co people who impress me from the same match.

1024
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,320
I am buying stock right now in Shiloh Hill and Tristan Angel's Doctor Train.

1025
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,680
I think those guys could be stars in the company too.

1026
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,840
>> I think Tristan Angel's is on the level of what Kitt Wilson could be as well.

1027
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:34,240
The main roster just arrogant, brash, British guys for some reason, he just wants to smack.

1028
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:40,520
And Shiloh Hill is just that, I don't want to say he's like in the Kevin Owens range, but

1029
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:47,640
just that such a good blue collar guy that just connects with the audience really well.

1030
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,600
I mean, if they were in a group of Shiloh and

1031
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,800
who were the two other guys that were just tag team champions a few months back, the blue collar guys.

1032
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,400
Hank and Tank.

1033
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,160
>> Thank you, thank you.

1034
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,560
>> You put Shiloh, Hank and Tank together on the main roster with Otis.

1035
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,680
Oh my God, that would be the most fun baby face group of all time.

1036
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,000
I would watch their stuff every day if you put those four guys together.

1037
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:17,760
But even if you just did Hank and Shiloh, that just seems like a fun trio of guys to just follow around on

1038
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,640
interesting things.

1039
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Those guys are just fun love guys.

1040
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,840
So yeah, and say Kwan impress me as well.

1041
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,320
>> He did, he was a great, and I think DL Alex did a great job as well.

1042
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:33,040
I thought it was a very good show for NXT to kind of like cement their new era overall.

1043
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,320
I think Tristan Angel's put a little bit of size on him.

1044
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,800
I think this is a guy that you could be looking at as a champion in like five years.

1045
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,600
Yeah, Shiloh has a great connection with the audience.

1046
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,240
He's really become such a great character after anything I saw of him in LFG.

1047
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,840
So there you go, NXT Grand American Bash.

1048
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,440
Next week's the show, we'll cover obviously things that are going on the world professional wrestling.

1049
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,640
We'll look at the halfway point of the year and who are some of the candidates,

1050
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,680
early candidates for our awards to take place at the last show of 2026.

1051
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,240
With that said, let's get a couple plugs and sponsors out of the way you can download

1052
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,480
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1053
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,840
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1054
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,360
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1055
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,920
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1056
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,240
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1057
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,720
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1058
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,880
With that being said, what is going on the wonderful world of Dr. Tray Franklin this week?

1059
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,720
>> Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on X at the Dr. Tray.

1060
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,160
You can find me on Instagram and Facebook, Dr. Tray Franklin.

1061
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,560
When you're on Facebook, be sure to check out Rockets, A Championship Wrestling.

1062
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:43,360
We have a big show coming up Saturday night, July 4th, America 250.

1063
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,280
We're bringing all the fireworks out.

1064
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,160
We're going to blow the roof off the place.

1065
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,280
But most importantly, get out, check out your local independent wrestling shows as well.

1066
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,640
Where you can find your next Shiloh ill, Tristan Angels.

1067
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,440
Or, you know, random guy, job or number three, ballon or number seven.

1068
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,720
There you go, support all the great things that support the Sto Real to the show.

1069
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,840
As you can hear my son crying in the background potentially.

1070
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:08,800
>> I love that.

1071
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,280
>> Yeah, he's ready to go to sleep.

1072
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,000
So enjoy the weekend, enjoy the 4th of July weekend.

1073
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,680
Thank you for making us part of your week.

1074
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,360
And until next week, 4, Dr. Tray Franklin, I am Jeff Peck.

1075
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,320
This has been the Sto Real to the show.