Should Kevin Owens Dethrone CM Punk in Toronto? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #862 – 8/20/26

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It's still really a big damage in it!

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What up, you!

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Ooh, welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's This and This Still Reload Show.

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Episode 862 for August 20th, 2026.

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Welcome to this week's edition of AskRTU.

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I am one after the show.

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I am Jeff Packen.

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joined every single week of my close lonely Dr. Trey Franklin.

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Dr. Trey, if there was a show that was promoted by you and I, my friend,

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I think this match would be the main event.

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Well, great balls of fire, part two.

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Samojo versus Buck Lesnar, yeah.

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I mean, it's summertime. You and I were just talking about how hot it is and

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one of the old things is hottest balls. So if we're promoting a match in

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August, it's great balls of fire too. I mean, it might be an inferno

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match with dodge balls on a pole. I don't know how it works out, but yeah,

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it's great balls of fire parts.

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Yeah, that's one of our favorite PLE's, paper views of all time.

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Obviously, I'm talking about what's going to be taking place tomorrow night.

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Friday night's Smackdown, main event, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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It will be CM Punk defending the Undisputed WWE Championship against Kevin Owens.

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It is the five year anniversary today, Dr. Trey, as you and I record this,

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that CM Punk returned to professional wrestling in August 20th, 2021

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when he walked into Chicago's United Center at AW rampage the first dance

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and officially returned to professional wrestling after more than seven years away.

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Five years later, he's the Undisputed WWE Champion preparing to defend that

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championship against Kevin Owens Friday night in Toronto.

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If you told us that on August 20th, 2021, would either one of us have believed you

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and on a personal level, is there a match that better to find the history of this show,

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Dr. Trey, then CM Punk versus Kevin Owens.

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So you have Kevin Owens on your hierarchy of SRTU wrestlers. Kevin Owens is above

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Sanctis eight, right? If there is a Mount Rushmore of people, wrestlers who have defined that show,

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I think two of the four spots are Kevin Owens and CM Punk because I was going to say,

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historically, 2010, I was talking about Kevin's team versus Elginarica. We were like nonstop.

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I was going to say because I think, I mean, you and I have been friends now for almost two decades,

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and I think I could easily say that probably are two of our favorite wrestlers of the past 20 years

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are CM Punk and Kevin Owens. So this was, I remember us talking about CM Punk versus Stone Cold Steve

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Austin 15 years ago, that might be a possibility. And that was kind of like our dream match because Kevin

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Steed had not elevated to this level. Now I think this would be the closest perfect dream match

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of our favorite wrestlers going at it is tomorrow night on SmackDown.

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Yeah, this is a match that we've been wanting to see for some time and it's a dream match. It's

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build as a first time ever match because I don't think they've ever wrestled anywhere. I don't think

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they've wrestled at R0H. I don't think they've wrestled in mid-South. It's IWA in mid-South. I don't

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think they've wrestled in CZW. I never ever have I heard these two guys wrestling one another. And

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I think that if we went down and we were like, what is the Mount Rushmore of 862 episodes of SRTU

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who are two of the wrestlers that have found that error? I think to me, Kevin Owens and CM Punk.

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So the big question here, right, Owens return from a potentially career ending neck injury at

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Summer Slam and immediately won the number one contenders match and now gets Punk in Canada.

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WWE could create an incredible emotional moment by putting the championship on Owens.

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Kevin Owens has come out in interviews and said that his family will be ringside for this match. But

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Punk's championship run is still relatively young. So Dr. Tre should Kevin Owens win the WWE

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championship in Toronto on Friday night? Absolutely. I mean, so I think I've told you this years and

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years ago, like when I was going to go into wrestling, my character, the way I had perceived my

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character going is actually what Kevin Owens is. Just chubby bearded, smart ass, good in the ring,

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great on the mic, good heel, good baby face, like that's who I wanted to be.

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Then when Kevin Owens came on the scene, I'm like, oh, that's my guy.

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We've had Owens Zane challenge for titles in Canada before they've never pulled a trigger.

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We've had Sammy Zane won the belt, had a one week title run for CM Punk to basically take the belt

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off him. It would make just a ton of sense for that title change to happen on SmackDown in Toronto,

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not to mention title changes don't usually happen on free TV and WWE very often. So I think it makes

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a ton of sense. Like the booking of this has been a little weird to me in the sense of, yeah, we're

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feeding into, quote unquote, real life shoot drama, whatever you want to call it. At times they've made

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always look like a heel, punk look like a heel, which everybody knows I hate shades of gray in

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pro wrestling. But if you're going to pull the trigger on something like this and kind of shock the

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world, this would be a great time to do it. Yeah, this is an opportunity to get some ratings here,

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certainly for Friday nights, SmackDown. Let's look at the argument here for both guys starting with

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Kevin Owens. He's coming off of one of the biggest comeback stories of his career. There was

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discussions he may never come back from his neck injury. He's wrestling for the WWE championship

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in his home country. The audience should be heavily behind him. I'm looking at this as being like

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Breton Shaw 97 where Bret is coming out in Canada as the home, hometown hero, home country hero.

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And while CM Punk is beloved, I think he's coming in this match as the heel. And this is a guy

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who loves Bret Hart that I think it's going to be more Shawn Michaels in Canada than Bret Hart certainly

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is in Canada. Owens winning his first WWE World Championship in years after everything he's gone

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through would be an incredible moment. Punk doesn't necessarily need a long-champcher brain for

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this run to matter. A KO victory could actually extend punk, punk and Owens is feud rather than

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end it. The argument for CM Punk, Punk just got through Cody Road to Summerslam. WWE's finally got

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punk into that long-awaited run as its top champion. Taking the championship off him has quickly

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off this quickly could make this Summerslam result feel less significant. Punk still also has

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an enormous potential championship programs, enormous amount of championship programs ahead of him.

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So some of the big questions here, right? We're talking about how much of an incredible moment

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this could be. WWE getting caught up in the moment making a short-term decision. I know you say

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this build feels weird. This build for me in a two-week time frame and I think I'm completely biased in

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this has felt like a Summerslam build to me because the back and forth they're having in the ring

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is some of the most feelings of legitimate heat between two wrestlers. Since more CM Punk and Drew

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McAter than I would say CM Punk and Seth Rollins. This feels real to me damn it. This is it, Dr. Trey,

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because they legitimately don't like one another. When I did the solo show last week,

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I talked about that when you watch those segments. Kevin Owens is really into what he's saying,

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which makes me feel like what he is saying is real. CM Punk is into what he's saying, but if you really

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watch the television, when they're getting to a good spot, Punk is smirking a little bit because I

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don't think this is him like antagonizing Kevin Owens in any way. I think he's looking at this going,

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this shit is gold. Like we've got the fans in the palm of their hands. There is some real animosity

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here that makes the build for the match, pay-per-view worthy. And again, I'm biased in this, but I mean out

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of Summerslam, out of All-In, out of Sunday Night, main event that's coming up in a few weeks from

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WWE, there is no bigger match that I am more excited for to watch. In the month of August, early

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September, maybe in the last eight weeks that I've seen in professional wrestling, then this match

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and it's airing on SmackDown. This has some serious heat behind it, Dr. Trey. And I feel like this

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could be something that they could pull off at a WrestleMania. No, I agree. Like this, it's weird,

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like I was trying to figure out how it phrases. I'm trying to think of it, it's not flare and

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sting, but this is like, it's a little bit of rock, Cena, in a sense it is generational in the way

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because punk is about 10 years ahead of Kevin Owens. But these two guys that you and I gravitated

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towards on the last 15, 20 years because there are personalities on the microphone are so very

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similar. In Ring Style, a little different, but for the most part, these are two guys that

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came from that Steve Austin school of just keep running your mouth kid and you'll be good.

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That's what they've done. That's what they've banked their careers off, whether it's pipe bomb

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promos or whatever. This is out of everything going on between Summerslam, All-In,

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main event, whatever it is, like this is the match I'm most excited. And the only reason I say

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the booking for this has been weird because there really is no clear, defying good guy, bad guy.

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Because as much as I love Kevin Owens, when guys come out and say,

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you know, when they kind of complain about how somebody treated them years ago in the Indies

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on the microphone in front of a live crowd, I'm like, I don't like whininess, but it's

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illustrating a point. And it just kind of shows it's like, I don't know if they, I'm sure they know

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which direction they're going, but the build leaves people like us confused. Where's like,

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is, is, could we see Kevin and Sammy get back together in this and you know, where does this go?

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Or is this going to be where Sammy costs Kevin the title and we end up with Sammy and Kevin again?

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And you know, you and I always said like, you can put those guys in any match at any time and we're

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going to eat it up. But like, where does this go from here? And plus we all know Kevin's a triple H guy

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and you know, they just did the Sammy payoff, you know, a month ago and are they going to pull the

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trigger on a Kevin payoff now? Like, there's a lot of questions without clear definition, which is

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where I feel like that, that weirdness settles in. But yeah, I mean this, this match, I can't, I don't

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think I have, I came to the last time I actually said, I'm staying home on a Friday night to watch

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Macdown. It's been a while. I'm staying home. I'm trying to watch Macdown. You know, this, this has

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got me more hyped up than, you know, Mercedes-Monaire will a night and go. All right, let's wrap it up

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here, Dr. Tray, going back to what we originally said here on the, the SRT portion of this match.

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Is there a bigger dream match in your mind? I've shared my thoughts. I don't think there is. Is

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there a bigger dream match that better represents the Storelas show that punk versus zones? Because I

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think if you and I did a special show, which we don't do as many of them as we used to anymore,

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and we're like, that's fantasy book the last 15, 20 years of the SRT you podcast. I think this match

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is on that pay-per-view. Oh, yeah, I was trying to figure out like in my mind, I know who three of

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the four are based on my fandom during this time, one of the show, I can't figure out who number four

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so is Sammy's on there? Sammy's three. Okay. Because I think generic Osteen defined probably the first six

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to seven years of the show. I mean, even to this day when we reference, you know, right, you know,

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feud of the year, we always reference generic Osteen. That's the standard. You know,

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and then even going to NXT and then, you know, I remember when, you know, when Sammy and Cino went

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out and then it was like three weeks later, there's Owens and Cena and they're ringing you and I

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were like, holy cow, I can't believe we're seeing Kevin Owens and John Cena in the ring at the same time

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fighting each other. It's Punk Owens, Zane and Roman Seth. I don't know who number four is.

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Daniel Bryan, what's up? Daniel Bryan, yeah, it's just for the longevity of the show. I mean,

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no, we love CM Punk so much. We had to ban talking about him when he was away from the show, you know,

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for all those years. So to me, this for Dream Match is right up there with what we saw with Owens and

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Steve Austin. But at least that match wasn't hyped. That was a confrontation. This is an actual

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match between two of our top three guys over the course of the last 15 years. All right, let's wrap it

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up here. Prediction quick prediction, Dr. Trey next week when you and I are recording this podcast,

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who is the Undisputed WWE Champion? I'm taking Kevin Owens.

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Say I was going to take it, I was going to, I want, my heart says Owens, my head says Punk. So

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I'll, I'll, I'll side with you. I'll take Kevin Owens on this one just because my heart, like it's

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been, we talked about it. It's been a really, really emotional three weeks for me. I'm going to go

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with my heart on this one. I'm going to take Kevin Owens as well. The only thing I can imagine is if

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it is in Kevin Owens, like Sammy Zayn's gotten involved somehow. That's, you know, like it's all,

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all I can think is, you know, Sammy runs in actually the only Lovic Kicks Kevin and Punk is the way.

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Which sideburn all this stuff? I mean, I watched that final segment there and on Smackdown. And

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the Sammy Zayn storyline where he's like getting constantly screwed over is one of the most hilarious

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storylines I've seen in some time. I mean, the fact that Randy Orton cost him the number one

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of tenors match and you, it's like, you forget about that. Like the Cody Orton stuff is going on in

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the middle of the ring to close Smackdown. Meanwhile, it's like, oh shit, wait a minute, Sammy got

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fucked on this. So it's been one of the best underrated storylines right now has been Sammy Zayn because

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he's so damn entertaining. Moving over. Yeah, go ahead. I was like, and when does this Johnny Gargato pay

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off happy? Because he seems Sammy talking to Gargato, Pugs talking to Gargato. At some point,

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Johnny's got to get off the floor, stop planking. I know Edging Co, our Copen cage have their own

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plank board system. If Johnny doesn't get up soon, they should just have him be the poster boy for it.

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Yeah, maybe he is just going to be planking all the way to AW who knows at this point.

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Moving over to Monday Night Raw, we had a big angle that took place with Solusikoa, Roman Reigns,

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the Bud Line Jacob Fatu, LA Knight this past Monday night that closed. A very, very, very

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solid edition of Monday Night Raw. One of the best pure wrestling editions of Monday Night Raw

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that I've seen in some time. I mean, there are some really, really good matches out there

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led by specifically the Chad Gable Ray Mysterio match. That finishing sequence, final five minutes,

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and I'm going to complete sidebar tangent like that was paperview worthy. I mean, they had the crown

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on the palm of their hands and it was not a paper you which was amazing. Going back to the Solusikoa

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Roman Reigns, Bloodline stuff. Just when I thought WWE might be going back down the familiar road

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of putting everybody together under Roman Reigns again, Solusikoa said, "No, Solo appeared ready

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to fall back in line with Roman and the Bloodline before ultimately turning on Roman and helping LA

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and I take out Roman and the Usos." But I keep coming back to Jacob Fatu here, Dr. Trey because Fatu

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is just standing there and watching everything unfold might right in front of him. And more importantly,

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he is just watching what Solo did in the ring. WWE's own Raw recap confirmed Solo ultimately

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turned against Roman rather than rejoining the family. What I liked from the segment, Solo didn't

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simply become Roman soldier again. That's very important. We watched Solo go from Roman's enforcer

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to try and replace Roman to lose in his own Bloodline to become increasingly isolated. Going

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backwards would have erased a lot of that development, especially within being a big baby face right now.

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Instead, Solo essentially told Roman I'm not doing this again. Then there's Jacob Fatu. Roman

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rewarded Jimmy and Jay. Solo openly rejected him and Jacob watched the facial reaction felt

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deliberate. Where is this all going? Is Jacob slowly realizing Roman has really changed? Does Fatu

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eventually leave Roman too? Does he love Solo again? Could Roman's attempt to rebuild the Blumline

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actually be what destroys it again is Solo now becoming an anti-Bloodline character rather than

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trying to create another version of the group? Where does LA and I fit in all of this? Is Roman supposed

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to be someone we're rooting for right now because internally he's being listed as a heal because he's

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still asked uncontrollably towards his own family. There's the bigger questions. We're now several years

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into the Blumline saga. There have been points where it felt exhausted, but this week I wanted to know

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what happens next and that's the entire point of episodic wrestling television. So Dr. Trei asked

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you has W. We found another genuinely interesting chapter of the Bloodline story after this past

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Monday night. No they absolutely have. It's in a weird sense. I mean we've got the Royce Keys factor

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in there but you have almost like the old guard and the young guard and it's a different spin on

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bloodline and I'm using MFTs because that's what they turn into. But I was telling a friend of my

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last night. I'm like I don't remember anybody bursting out as much of his enjoyable baby face as I

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have solos lately. Like he is just having so much fun. He has the crowd in the palm of his hands.

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He's funny. He's engaging. It's like man I just for somebody that two years ago I could have never

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pictured being a top guy baby face to where he's at right now. Yeah he's there and you have all

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this dynamic of the Jacob stuff. You have all the dynamics of you know the Usos becoming captains.

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It's it's really good TV. I mean to me this just shows Roman's a heel again. The Blumline is heels.

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I mean the way Roman was acting towards solo the disrespect towards Jacob. Roman the bloodlines are

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heels again which means J and Jimmy are heels again. So it's it's a really kind of organic kind of

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build out of this too because I don't think WWE thought Solo would get this over as a baby face.

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I think they knew what they had in Jacob and I think they were waiting to pull the trigger on Jacob

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but the solo thing is just taken off and then you still got the LA knife factor. So to me it's

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it's really good organic storytelling that I think they just listened to the crowd and I think people

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they respect Roman but I think they want to boo Roman. I think it's it just kind of feels right

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to boo Roman because he is so dominant of a champion over the last you know five years like it just

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makes sense. So I love this it's reminiscent and he our younger audience won't forget this but

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like the horsemen of the 80s it was always totally armed and Rick and then the fourth guy

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whoever they brought in within eventually turned baby face and feared with the other three and it's

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kind of like it feels like that right now at the bloodline with every time we we know we can make

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baby faces if we put them up against Roman so let's just keep going to the well and doing it and

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they've done a really good job of it or less last month. One of the things that I noticed during

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the angle is at one point in the corner I don't know if he was doing this purposely or not I'm

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going to go with purposely was Jacob Hutton had a little bit of a smile on his face. What exactly

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do you think Jacob Hutton was thinking while he watched solo reject Roman Reigns?

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I think that for me that look on his face was hey I'm not the captain. You know it was like

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you tell me what to do you didn't tell me to take him out so I'm just going to stay here until you

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tell me what to do. It's kind of that like perfect little like smart-ass soldier response where

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you know for the last two months since he joined the bloodline it's been basically like I do with

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the travel chief tells me he tells me to do this I do this and then you know he's had that back and

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forth with Jay over this time where Jay's supposed to be the right hand but you know Jacob's telling him

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like hey I follow Roman I don't follow you but now Roman came out of Ron and said look if you disrespect

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my captain you disrespect me which kind of pushes Jacob down or wrong I think like in anywhere like

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that would be my attitude like if you show me disrespect why am I going to come to your help?

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I think that was the most logical response that situation where if Roman indirectly you know

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disrespects Jacob why is he going to run out you know why is he going to make the save in that situation?

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And then the last thing here Dr. Trey do you think Fat 2 ultimately is the next person to walk away

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from the travel chief right now we've got four on the bloodline the two Usos Roman Fat 2 on the other

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side you've got Solo and LNite I feel like it's going to be even here at some point we got war games

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it'll be here before you know it and I think the bloodline is going to be heavily involved in that match.

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Yeah because I was trying to do the math on this so if Jacob walks away I think that means

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Bronson Reed ends up with the bloodline I'm trying to do the math on the

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point let's get to go back to the vision no yeah I mean there is there a still a vision there's no Paul

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Hayman that yeah I mean there's still a vision they still got Logan Paul awesome theory braw breaker on

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Monday nights I know I'm just trying I'm trying to do the math like it so Jacob's sides with Solo and L.A.

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then Royce Keys goes with the bloodliners he go back with Jacob because they were just fighting

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but then they're like there were their brothers you know what they're saying I could see I could see a

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L.A. night Solo Royce Keys Jacob Fattil and then the other three would be you'd have the bloodline on

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that side trying to think here would you who would you I don't think who'd you add on the other side

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there that's why we're not so reek is didn't Bronson Reed side with them a couple years ago and

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survivors as well that was with that was with Solo's version of the bloodline and then that basically just

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kind of went away and we did the vision like I wonder if you bring Sammy back into this and then we've

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seen four on four we've seen five on five as well you know we've seen strange bedfellows with with

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the bloodline whether they're good or bad in the past I wonder if they did the same stuff yeah or

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or Romans not in the match and you do the Usos and the MFTs the sons of Haku that could be right the

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MFTs the both the Tongans they side with the bloodline I don't think they're gonna be turning baby face

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anytime soon especially with Haku so yeah I you know I did not have on my bingo card the potential of

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Jacob Fattil turning baby face and turning on the bloodline anytime soon I felt like this was going to

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be more of a WrestleMania maybe post-Restimating type storyline but it could be sooner than than

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people think here I think anything that you see with the bloodline right now keep in mind that I

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a lot of this I feel like is being built towards war games because when you look at war games right now

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and that is a very big deal they're starting to promote the Houston show I think tickets went on

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sale they're gonna want to put some butts in seats and there is really no faction in the male side

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that can hold that I mean the vision has really taken a fall down I mean to the point that Dr.

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Trade didn't think the vision really existed anymore so it's like what else do you do here right now

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and it's definitely bloodline and you need to start evening up and I think I think you're gonna see

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some rocket chips being put on LA nights and rocket chips being put on solo maybe some rocket chips on

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Jacob Fattil and and Royce Kees and you could start developing some brand new single stars out of

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this entire thing at least here in the last part of 2026 would love to hear everybody starts yep go

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ahead let's say if you go smack down punk Cody Bauer and one other guy against Sammy

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KO Orton and Gunther so that's a really I mean I don't even know if KO is a heel right now

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that's true but I'm saying you could you just kind of depends because I mean that those seem to be

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your top seven guys on smack down right now you know they're a really good main event level picture I

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just I think I would put my money right now on August the 20th on the bloodline being in that match

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that would be my guess yeah who knows no I agree like if I was betting I would lean bloodline solo

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because out what's again we we've seen them on one hand when somebody gets red haza baby face they

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just run with it and then we've seen them other times with a red hot baby face like LA night three

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years ago where yeah it's not the right time yet so I it's gonna be interesting I'm really

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interested how this whole solo booking comes out of this because I mean we couldn't have a solo in

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Jacob feuding with the loose those with the tag belts or you know just feuding in an tag team I mean

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with LA night Roman reigns so it's just or do you end up flipping it based on what happened my night

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and after you know the next paper after what are we doing Roman in LA night I think they're probably

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gonna do it money in the bank would be my guess so after my in the bank do we get solo in Roman at the

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next PLA afterwards yeah which would be survivor series I think at that point oh unless they do

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another Saudi Arabia show like a crown jewel anyway just a chime in at patreon.com/srtupotcast let us

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know what you think of the storyline and where things are going right now with the bloodline Jacob

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feitu solo LA night and so much more and a lot of good stuff going on on both main shows right now

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it seems to be a good creative swing lately um speaking of Monday night Raw sticky with Monday night

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Raw Dr. Trey I talked about on last week's show WWE and and making us wait a little bit for umover

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Femi versus Braun Breaker because I think it could be the next John Cena Batista holding of the

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torch but they're going forward with it with the Sunday night's main event in just a few weeks in

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Atlanta Georgia um I made the case here I literally asked like why not make open brawn WWE Cena

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Batista put them as separate paths and let them become massive stars before finally putting them

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together WWE apparently heard that and said nope let's do it immediately because oba Femi versus

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Braun Breaker is officially happening in September at Sunday night's main event so I ask you

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W. Dr. Trey is WWE striking while the iron is hot or giving away a WrestleMania level rivalry years

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too early and when I mean Cena and Batista I felt like put oba on one brand Braun on the other and

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keep these guys apart for like three or four years I said that when oba was a free agent I was like you

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got Braun Breaker on Raw put oba on Smackdown but then we had all the injuries in the vision

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happening now Braun we talked about a couple of weeks ago Braun star is dropped so to me

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I don't know the upside unless WWE has felt like yeah Braun Breaker can take a step down again

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I don't understand the upside of this of doing this so soon like this is something you can

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kind of build to we saw them allude to it at Royal Rumble when you know Braun got taken out by Seth

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it was supposed to be one and two Braun and oba they held off on it and then now we're circling

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back you know nine months later to this it does feel like the Braun Breaker star has dropped a

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little bit and that's why they're pulling trigger unless this is when Braun's in Reed returns

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to rejoin the vision that I forgot about to help Braun Breaker beat oba femey and then you get

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oba femey oba femey puning with the vision but it is kind of like you know I'm with you like to

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me it's like you have two young you know just a head like just generational type talents

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why why have them on the same show now once again if you had put oba on Smackdown knowing you're

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gonna move punk there knowing you're gonna move Cody there maybe that's why they didn't do it

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and they saw that hey maybe we can just keep him on raw and eventually get to oba and Roman and

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that was their plan all along but you know it's just to pull the trigger on it this soon it's to me

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does feel a little bit early but you know we I'm trying to think of some great rivalries over the past

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I mean we've had Roman and Seth how many different times the last 10 years and some of those start out

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you know not too long I mean we went we didn't get Roman and Seth right after the shield broke up we

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got Seth and Ambrose but we eventually got back to it and those guys have battled I think a dozen

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times over the past 10 years so does it mean you can't do it it's just different I guess from what

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you and I are used to with taking your young stars keeping them off the sides until you finally built

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that big payoff match yeah it seems like that they're treating Sunday Night's main event and I never

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looked at it this way and we've discussed this several times over the years I mean even going back

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to the most over last couple months I should say even the most recent one in New York City I look at

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as just as like as a special television event I don't look at it as a PLE but I think they're really

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going into this one as a PLE and they're not even up against AW that weekend it's just bizarre to me

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like we're getting Cody and Orton which is a WrestleMania level main event and the we the one in

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July what was the headliner there before Roman it was really Roman and Jalen Brunson's saying

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I can't even remember that I was the close was it a tag team it was was it Cody and punk versus

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again Sammy and Gunther Sammy and Gunther yeah to make it the fatal for way and no disrespect to those

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four guys but the build and the overall framework of that show didn't scream PLE to me and now you've got

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Orton and Brods and you've got Open Braun on paper this is really good I mean this is it's very good

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stuff I mean the creative on the men's side in WWE as a Blade on Ron Smackdown has been very good they've

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picked it up a lot but it's like let them breathe a little bit like let these guys go and I loved

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the way that they booked Cena and Batista in 2004 onwards like they had the Royal Rumble interaction

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where they had the botch and the Batista ended up winning and Vince tore both of his quads but then

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they went to WrestleMania 21 which was actually 2005 excuse me then those two guys one their title

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matches that night and then they were the guys on both brands so much so that when Cena who was on

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Smackdown gets drafted over to Raw him and Batista were on the same brand for like a minute and then

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the next Smackdown Batista was on and the new face going from Raw to Smackdown and then they carried

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those brands for a while and then they really didn't get into it until a Summer Slam match which would

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have been like 0809 I feel like and then they had that WrestleMania 26 match when we first started

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doing the show that was really good with the title online and then Batista went away for a while

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and that was the kind of build like that's five years really like four or five years

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where those guys didn't touch and they were carrying the brands and that's what I would have

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liked to see so instead we're getting it now I think this is more of a test for Braun Breaker than

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in his oba femey because Braun stock has dropped nothing that he did wrong and now is the time to see

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like can he be the guy I think Oba is going to be the guy in 2027 I want to see if Braun Breaker could

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get there I hope he can get there and I think this match is that test doctor try.

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Yeah I mean you know you were talking about Cena and Batista and then I was thinking about

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too I was like well then there was also Rain York and Cena and Orton went at it a lot early on and

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maybe there's a third guy in the mix and they're looking at like hey we're trying to save

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Oba and this and maybe it's a Gunther you know we're like hey we're going to save Oba and Gunther

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and let them stand opposite sides for a while and then Oba and Braun can be Cena and Orton and maybe

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that's how they're kind of viewing it I'm not sure but like to me once again I wish I'd

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about I would have saved this I would have saved at least for WrestleMania or next summer slam

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and just let these guys build up and really get a lot of wins under their belts and really get that

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momentum both guys momentum up and going at the right time because it feels like one guy's

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peeking and one guy's been sliding down which then makes for weird bedfills on like how do you

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put this match together where you make both these young guys come out looking like stars.

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All right Dodger try let's switch gears now to all the wrestling we're 10 days away from all in

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London and this past edition of Dunhamite AW finally makes all in personal with their two main

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title matches for the men's and the women's side Kenny Omega and Wille Loss Bray and Mercedes

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Monet and Wille Knight and Egael but did they wait too long let's look at Kenny Omega versus Wille

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Loss Bray first this is what I wanted from Omega and Osprey not another discussion about Star

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ratings not simply these are the two of the greatest wrestlers alive so imagine how great that

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match would be we've seen it twice give me a reason they need to beat each other we always say that

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as an issue with AEW and on Wednesday night AEW finally did the sit down interview went all the way

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back to their first meeting in PWG Omega's time in New Japan Osprey trying to replace Kenny as

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the company's top foreign star their wrestle kingdom match and Osprey's controversial for bed

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indoor victory with Don Cal's involvement Osprey even admitted that the circumstances surrounding

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his win over Omega still bother him then Kenny crossed the line he brought Osprey's family into

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including Osprey's son and after Osprey confronted him later in the night Omega put him through a

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table with the one wing in angel to close dynamite now we have something Osprey isn't simply trying

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to win a championship he's trying to prove that he finally surpassed Kenny Omega and Omega seems

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increasingly offended by the idea that Osprey could ever actually be his equal which brings up

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an interesting question is Kenny Omega now becoming the he illness thing because Omega was arrogant

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he belittled Osprey's accomplishments he brought his family into the feud he manipulated Osprey

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to coming back toward the ring then he destroyed him and they're going to Wembley say it in Osprey's

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home country Kenny is certainly going to get boot in that one so I asked you this doctor try

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did AW wait too long to get here with Will Osprey and Kenny Omega

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I'm going to say no because you want to get the feud as hot as you possibly can

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right before the peel or the paper view in their case so you maximize by-reigns and with the way

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dynamite went through the entire show with the sit down to the finish I don't know how you top

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that to get people to buy the show to see what's going to happen so I think they did that angle about

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I mean you had brought it up a month ago like if this is what you're trying to get to start bringing up

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their past history a little bit more and maybe slowly burn it up to this level that we got to last

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Wednesday night but if you're going to if you're going to shotgun the entire history make it personal

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and then have a big payoff at the end if that was your goal I think they accomplished that on dynamite

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so now dr. Tray does Osprey have to beat Omega at Wembley

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yeah I just like you literally punk the guy out on dynamite you brought up his his kids

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Kenny pulled the get the security card which is a total heel move

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which you know you and I are talking about as if you got to make one guy look a little bit more like a

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heel just to get that 80% cheering 20% booing ratio then you put him through a table to close out the show

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like yeah like at this point it like that you and I talked about that for 15 years wrestling booking 101

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is whoever ends up on the short end before the pay-per-view usually goes over if Kenny wins in Wembley

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then I don't know when they're gonna ever put up their group they're gonna put Osprey on top because

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this would be this this screams Ospreys getting his win in Wembley with you know in the hometown

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everything else it screams this is the right time to pull the trick I feel like Omega Ospreys one

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of the most predictable matches in in some time you know a lot of say I mean home country

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the stuff whether they build an on dynamite which was very very well done on this past Wednesday night

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and I've talked about it here on the podcast the only way I don't think Osprey wins is if MJF wins

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the casino got in the battle royal then I think there's a real chance that he catches in to close

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out the show and we get that finish instead of like the adoring streamers you know confetti

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in the home country a Brit finally winning in Wembley that whole deal have you watched english soccer

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games if you pull that I know that's what I'm saying if you're a fan of the World Cup stay tuned

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so oh my gosh I think it's it was the one time I say the one time manchester united and arsenal

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tied together is Osprey getting screwed by MJF to close out the show let's look at the the women's

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championship match you got well night and yellow mercenias monee obviously Omega and Osprey wasn't

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the only all in championship program that got better this past Wednesday well night and yellow

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mercenias mone finally stopped making this feel like just champion versus challenger now it feels

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like these two women genuinely dislike each other willow went directly after Mercedes biggest

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insecurity mercenias can have the money the presentation the celebrity the championship

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but willow has something mercenias can't simply manufacture the connection with the crowd

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mercenias fired back by bringing up their history and portraying willow as someone who benefited

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from mercenias injury then they went looking for each other and had to be separated in a pull apart

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brawl which was awesome and then there's another wrinkle willow is defending the AW women's world

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championship against my world on collision before all in AW even acknowledge that technicality could

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be my heading to wembley to face mercenias instead we all assume where willow mercenias is the

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destination but at least they're creating some uncertainty which I don't think they should have done

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I think that was really bad short-sighted and almost like they forgot about it from a storyline

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standpoint there was no way dr. Shrey and I were gonna be like hey when I went she promised the

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match to my world I like my world as a person I'm not there yet as a character and professional wrestler

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the real story I think willow might be actually what mercenias needed mercenias always felt like a

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major star but sometimes for AW feuds haven't felt as emotionally important answer presentation willow

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is naturally likable enough that mercenias something meaningful to push against so dr. Shrey

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I ask you this and this paint I'm sure this is going to paint you to answer it especially if it goes

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in the way that some people are thinking should mercenias mone beat willow at all in

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yeah I mean she's your top star in the women's division most marketable person in women's division

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not to mention her best friend might be joining the company and that'd be a great rivalry to build off

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of coming out of this so if you're going to if you're gonna make them move we talked about it a

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year ago when she was the the TBS champion I'm like Mercedes made the TBS title feel more important

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than the women's world title because of her star power so if you're going to do this this once again

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is the right time to do it plus you know willow for the most part has had the better of Mercedes whether

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because the injuries or whatever it does feel like if if she's our most bankable star let's put our top

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title on her and let's see if she can help elevate the division since we don't have Tony Storm right

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now so with that said would a wb making mistake ending willow's championship brain no because it gives her

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credible willow still young like it still gives her credibility this is kind of an old wwe thing we

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talked about the money in the bank winners whether it was Jeff Hardy CM Pong Daniel Bryan they pull the

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trigger to get that young person a little bit of credibility so when they cycle them back up to

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that main event rivalry they always they already had that credibility built into it so it's a good way

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to keep willow as one of your top people even though she's at the belt by having her lose to arguably

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the top woman in the company it doesn't really hurt willow by losing this plus Mercedes is the

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heo she can cheat to win and nobody's gonna look down on willow for losing in that situation

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as willow become the opponent Mercedes needed to finally feel like one of aw's biggest attractions

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yeah because Tony left yeah i don't know if anybody else on the roster has the most organic connection

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with the audience that willow does like willow is just likable like you just her energy her

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bubbliness like you need if you're gonna have Mercedes be the top heel the most hated woman in the

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company you need somebody like willow to play off of and i don't know if anybody else in the

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women's vision a w is that likable like there's people we feel good about like you just mentioned like

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you like the myo world's story but you're not there there's a character yet um yeah because i can't

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you see her crowd reactions nobody cares no no because nobody really in even at this point Jeff

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nobody still knows who she is like she went from nowhere to number two in the company without any real

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credibility in the ring i'll put it that way like is she it's a great story house you know the race

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story or coming back from everything outside the ring but in ring she never proved anything

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Tony storm not being there i think Tony and willow are the two most likable characters in a w and

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Tony hasn't been around for nine months so it had to be willow everybody else is kind of

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and when it comes to likability all right final question you're wrapping up both of these big

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metal matches and we'll predict eight of you all in on next week's edition of SRTU which match

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currently has a stronger emotional build dodge right omega osprey or willow Mercedes

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omega osprey just because there's more history and they finally brought it up and then

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canny can play like you heard i think i don't know if you heard sure viney beret he like oh yeah canny

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can he still a vp so they can pull that card out as well so i'm going kenny i mean you brought kids

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into the mix i mean healthy one and two you could bring ospreys you know current wife into the mix

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that they really wanted to like there's a lot there that they can play with there's still a lot of

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meat on that bone uh then you have the mjf factor it's to me it's omega and osprey all right there

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cheer when she's in the ring so there you go yeah it's it's very very noticeable unfortunately and

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and i wish her nothing but the best i know she's gone through a lot but yeah it's just not resonating

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on the television i actually thought they were gonna make a total change on Wednesday night and they did

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