The Vision Betrays Seth Rollins | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #818 – 10/16/25

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It's still real to me, damn it!

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What up, you!

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Welcome, everybody!

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Welcome to this week's The This To Real This Show

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Episode 818 for October 16, 2025

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This is WWE Crown Jewel Recap and AW WrestleGene preview edition of SRTU

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I am one after the show, I am Jeff Peck, joined every single week of my post along with Dr. Franklin

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Dr. Tre the vision of professional wrestling looks a lot different than it did a week ago, my friend

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Yeah, but you know they say like, I have something clever

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but like I was just telling you my brain is not working

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So yeah, looks incredibly different

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The vision might be far-sighted, near-sighted?

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I got to forget which is which, I don't know if I can see close up, that means I am near-sighted or far-sighted

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Far-sighted, remember, it's the opposite

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Far-sighted, okay, so yeah, so, but just crazy to see just the change in plans because, guess what Jeff?

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You and I sat here last week in SRTU out survivor series and I think that whole thing just got completely blown up

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Completely, it was destroyed, it sank all the way to the bottom of the ocean

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Dr. Tre speaking in glasses, you're older than I, do you have reading glasses my friend?

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I actually, there's somewhere in my house Jeff, I kid you not, is a pair of bifalcles

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Okay, I had those when I was a kid, I have terrible eyesight, so I already have you beat, I can't see far

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I got, I had laced it done back in like 2004, and it's held, it's held all this time, I have not had to have glasses since then

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But last year I noticed I was starting to do the whole like, you see the old folks are looking at their phone screen trying to read a text

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And they're moving it back and forth to find the right depth

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I noticed I was doing that a little bit more, I'm like, oh crap, so, end of the year, you know, got to use your benefits package

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So I'm like, let me go see what I can do, and then of course, I ended up paying a full price because for some reason my vision package was locked up

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So, yeah, stay tuned for that more, old cast, we're not trained on this

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Vision cast, yes, yes, vision cast, it's up on patreon.com/sortduppodcast

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All right, Dr. Tre, let's get into it, WWE Crown Jewel recap review because we can't start with the biggest story of the week

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Before we got to go through everything that happened prior to that over in Perth, Weston, Australia in the Rack Arena

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First match here is Bronson Reed defeating Roman Reigns in an Australian Street fight

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I had Reigns, you had Bronson, this was the biggest win in Bronson Reed's career that helped establish them as a top star in WWE

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And I am here for it, the Roman Reigns Usos storyline is starting to get good

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And I feel like there may be some seeds being planted here from whatever plays out at WrestleMania 42

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Roman saying, quote, I don't want to see you too until Christmas got the point across that there is going to be some time apart

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But it was also incredibly funny

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Dr. Tre, what is a bigger deal? Roman Reigns losing or Bronson Reed winning?

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I think Bronson Reed winning because, I mean, we've seen Roman, we just saw Roman lose the Cody

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You know, wasn't that long ago, we've seen Roman lose the Brock, I was there, I mean, I skipped a match, I was there for one of those

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Putting somebody like Bronson Reed over Roman Reigns

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That's one of those career defining wins

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I mean, go back to when Curtis Axle beat Triple H and how long they hyped that up for afterwards

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I mean, this is something they can stand, like Bronson Reed can stand on for the next five years as they try to make him a made event guy

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It's like this is the guy that beat Roman Reigns

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You know, this is the, and they can repeat that over and over, this is the one in 2021

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I mean, it's that type of narrative, it's a big deal for a guy who for all intents of purposes has been cast as a mid-card guy

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Even in the vision, he's kind of a mid-card guy

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He beat Roman Reigns now by hook, by crook, really a thinnety

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It only matters where the W falls into column and now Bronson Reed has a pinfall victory over Roman Reigns

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Yeah, he is the second person in a one-on-one match in like the last five years that has beat pin Roman Reigns

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It was obviously Cody at WrestleMania 40, 40, was Cody Rhodes and now Bronson Reed here at Crown Jewel

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And so, Jake Uso has a pin on Roman as well during that five years pin, but that was a tag team match that I actually think happened at Crown Jewel in Saudi Arabia when it was like the Uso's taken on Roman

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And so, and so, and so, and Jake got the pin on that night

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And before that, five years ago, the last person to pin Roman before that, do you remember who it was?

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Baron Corbin, yep

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And it was like this, unemployed

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He's Bishop Dwyer now, and I believe that was this December 2019 because I remember they were hyping that up a lot when Cody eventually pin Roman

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But in this tribal chief era of Roman Reigns only two people in a one-on-one match have pinned Roman Reigns and now Bronson Reed is one of them

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So that's a huge part of Roman Bronson Reigns resume here

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And this is kind of the theme at least of this first half of the show, even the stuff that we'll talk about post-Cron Jewel

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I'm digging it because this is the future of wrestling is healthy because I love seeing guys like Bronson Reed get an opportunity with a torch and run with it a bit

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Because I think Bronson Reed is extremely talented

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So even though I picked Roman Reigns, I'm very happy for Bronson Reed getting the victory here

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Next match is Women's World Champion, Sefi Vakor, Defeating WWE Women's Champion, Tiffany Stratton to win the WWE Women's Crown Jewel

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Championship, both Dottrey and I had Vakor in this one, this was a really solid match with some hard-heading spots, both women have had a pretty huge break through the year

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So it was pretty cool seeing them both reach the point as I would not have predicted both of them in this match a year ago

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Dr. Trey, I ask you, NXT North American Championship, NXT Women's Championship, WWE Women's World Championship

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And now the WWE Women's Crown Jewel Championship all captured in one year for Sefi Vakor is this the most historic year for a woman's wrestler we've ever seen?

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Yeah, I kind of think so, I mean to have this much build up for somebody who have this many accomplishments in one year is insane

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It might be the best one year for a woman or a man in recent memory, I mean, I mean, I mean, Braun Breaker's run from NXT Champion to NXT Tag Team Champion to Intercontinental Champion in any years

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As well, but to accomplish basically winning every outside the Intercontinental title, which I don't think she ever had a challenge for it, I mean she's won every championship, she's really had a shot at this year

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So just an impressive run and the crazy thing is if you go back a year ago, they signed Julia and Stephanie the same time, I don't think either of us would have big Stephanie to have this run between those two ladies

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So just an incredible just, hey, she got signed, she came out of the box, she hit it and they just put the rockets trapped to her, he shot her to the moon

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No, for me, it was always like Julia, Julia, Julia, that's everything that you read about online was Julia, go on the WWE, Julia, go on the WWE, go on the WWE

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The only time I really had heard of Stephanie Vaakor was some of the CML stuff and then obviously got on my radar when she had the match with Mercedes-Bone at Forbidden Door last year as a CML, a women's champion taking on Mercedes-Bone

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And then it just felt like she would eventually end up in a W and then that's up with her leaving for WWE, the way that it happened

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It was kind of the story and the noise around her and she is completely surpassed Julia right now and it's amazing, she's had a really, really amazing year, a breakout year, break through year

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I mean we are less than, we're probably around two months away Dr. Tray from doing our award show

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I have felt like for the most part of 2025 that this was Timeless Tony Storms a year as a female wrestler

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75th Corps may be coming on late here to pull past her as a women's wrestler here Dr. Tray because I mean you win four titles in one year, four separate titles in one year and break through like she has

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We've never seen anything like this in professional wrestling, male or female

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And only lost one of those, she was only paying for the NXT Women's Championship, she was not paying for the North American title

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She hasn't lost the World title, I guess we're calling the Crown Jewel a championship, it's once a year type thing but to have that kind of run and really be untouched in a lot of ways

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Getting to this point, it's just an incredible incredible run

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We're very much knee jerk so it's kind of like she's really, really hot

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Tony since losing the AEW Women's Championship is in a good feud but it does kind of like it's pushed her down a little bit

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I still don't want to discount though the first ten months that Tony Storm has as well

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No, not at all, I mean I'm not even discrediting what she's doing presently, it's just like as Vachor Pastor is really what the discussion is

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And as it like Tony has taken a step back, it's did Vachor surpass her as like an impact year for women's wrestling

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I would love to hear from people that say, hit us up on X, add us or to you podcast or on facebook.com/thisstillrealthashow

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Or if you're a Patreon member, patreon.com/srtupodcast where you can talk directly to Dr. Trey and I

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Next match here is John Cena defeating AJ Styles, I had AJ Styles Dr. Trey and John Cena

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This was a love story, two professional wrestling, poetic and retaining and just flat out wonderful

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What else is there to say about this match? Quite honestly

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I loved every second, there was zero story going into it other than celebrating two of this generations all time

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Greats also the sea of John Cena where and the crowd was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen from a crowd

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Wearing one particular piece of merchandise

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That's nuts, the amount of yellow t-shirts that were in the crowd for this entire pay-per-view PLA

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Amazing, amazing stuff

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Dr. Trey I ask you if this match was more like how they handled the entire John Cena retirement tour

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Would it be considered the great farewell to professional wrestling?

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The greatest farewell to professional wrestling is this farewell one of the greatest no matter what though

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Yeah I'm going to lean into, I mean outside of the Brock Lesnar match which I think you and I both really didn't care for

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It's one of the greatest retirement runs I've ever seen

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And really we don't get these

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This is really the only one I can think of where it was announced that it's a one-year thing and dead it up

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But you know other ones you've kind of known the riding was on the wall

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Like we talk about staying in Rick Flair as the mother ones

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Every match Cena has had outside of the Lesnar one has been really really good

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This one surpassed them all

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Part of it is I will say it's the love and appreciation we have for both these guys

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Kind of elves because look Jeff in all honesty if you saw two indie guys doing this match you and I was shit all over it

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But because it's seen an AJ and it's a love letter to their history

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It makes a ton of sense but if we saw two indie guys throwing out

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You know skull crushing finale's Kekina Kluxes scorpion death drops RKOs

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We'd be like oh this match was awful but because of the situation

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It's the perfect setting for this kind of match so I'm with you

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I absolutely loved it it was it's arguably my match of the year already

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We got just a couple months left I don't know what else is gonna get thrown out there

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That's gonna top this match because it was just beautifully beautifully written done by the two guys that defined a generation of TNA wrestling in WWE

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Even John's love note for Alicia Taylor to read about AJ was beautiful

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Like I got kind of emotional watching this match in honesty

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Yeah it's it was a special match it was an ode to their generation and their generation spans of you know

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Cena was just predominantly WWE he obviously had a run no BW under developmental and UPW which was a Californian based independent wrestling promotion

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That which back in the day I would read their results on like one wrestling dot com or PWInsider dot com

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I think this was post John Cena era but like that's where John Cena comes from and then AJ Styles was ring of honor

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It was NWA Wildside NWA TNA TNA a bunch of stuff that AJ Styles and it was basically just a love note to press and wrestling whether they were paying tribute to Randy Orin from John Cena

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Or if they were paying tribute to Angel Wings which was Christopher Daniels

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He did Frank Hussarian tributes it was just an all in all like just a hat tip to the wrestling in the 2000s that die hards loved and a lot of us grew up on

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I mean it's it's after I would I would say my generation of wrestling my generation of wrestling was the new generation an attitude era of WWE

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And then Monday Night Wars this was that post my generation run but it was still something that I kept a really close eye on

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It was a very special time for professional wrestling so I mean we're tipping our hats here our hand on this entire thing where we would say like this is a match of the year can it

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I'm with you I think the only match to me right now Dr. Trey that is in contention to have a debate here is I loved John Cena versus CM Punk at the Saudi Rabi in show earlier this year which I can't

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The name is escaping me right now what it was back in June that was a jewel no it was I would crap I don't know I can't think of it now but anyway I thought no I think it was I think it was a crown jewel I think it was just called crown jewel and then this is crowned

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It was not a champion I wasn't a champion okay yeah there you go it's it's right I mean this one I it's hard for me to pick because maybe you know out of this the generation you're referring to the ruthless aggression or whatever you want to call it I mean AJ and CM Punk are probably my two favorite guys and Cena's had great matches

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ball so it's kind of hard to pick one or the other like my it to me it might be like how smooth some of those oads those omajas really were like that skull crushing finale was so seamless and then the transition from the walls of Jericho into the cocaine clutch like damn that was really well done they

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hit some of these moves but the guys using them I mean that scorpion death drop was phenomenal like I mean there was a lot of stuff in the match where you're like man that was just really well executed by a guy who never uses that move like it it's an ode to both

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those guys not only performing but for the guy selling it is it's really I mean the the Cena punk match is really great it's nostalgic for that generation that love that

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I mean I'm sorry but for this to me kind of falls a little bit into that Kevin Owens a stone cold Steve Austin match from a couple years ago where it's like look there was no storyline this was just two guys going out there and making me putting me all

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up in the fields again much like that match day for different reasons but just the fact that it was such a great competitive match and they were able to fit in

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the hat tips to all these guys from for that they that they came up with like maybe feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside yeah it was a really special time for professional

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residents like you you have this that first wave of professional wrestling that you like catch on to so for me it was like the rock and wrestling area

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and then when you kind of get into a little more of the new generation and you get older and you still into it attitude era and then you have because I remember talking to like Eric

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Ardulot when he was on the show back in the day and a lot of wrestling fans were like this is you have that tape trading era where you would go on message boards or whatever and you would

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you know try to find out what's going on over in Japan or the rest of the world that's outside of the WWE bubble and that that was kind of my

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generation like you had seen in WWE but AJ styles like I was following them around and after he left WCW whether it be in the way wild side ring of honor all that stuff it's like that's where I found a lot of these guys

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that's where you found the freaking caesareans the Christopher Daniels and then later on in life the people that are now known as Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens and that was a special time for

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fresh arrests and a lot of people that are predominant stars in wrestling today in both brands came from that generation that's a Mojo is Roderick Strong Claudio

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Cassec Nolis like those guys shine in that then later on in that generation the Tyler Blackstone and Seth Rons John Moxley see a punk so it's yeah it was a nice

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love note to that generation professional wrestling and it was a beautiful match and it's one that I think will be debated towards the end of the year wasn't the match of the year when we look back at it next match here is real Ripley and EO sky

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defending the Kabuki Warriors Dr. Shrein I will have to rean EO in this one this was a good hard hitting women's tag team match from a storyline perspective this makes a ton of sense. However I

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think they did this tag team match about a month ago and said give me the full spotlight and perth where she faced like Oscar in a one on match with EO in her corner rather than the tag team match that is just me being

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nitpicky but it was still a fun tag team match. Dr. Shrein earlier this year you felt like EO was the odd wrestler in the mix of the real Ripley Bianca Belair build to wrestle any

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41 as she wasn't as established as the other two stars did you feel like EO's current build over the last years change your mind about her stature now.

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Oh yeah I would say yes I mean they've done a good job of building up and that was what I was kind of saying last year is heading into that match I don't feel like you looked at her on the same level as Rhea and Bianca and I think now you can look at her as being

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closer to that level if not on the little Bianca's had a really bad year.

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Rhea still a rock star so I think I mean if I was plotting about would actually probably be a one EO to Bianca three on on levels just based on last you 12 18 months or performance EO's really really close I do think her her struggling still like her promos are good she's fun but I don't think anybody's really on Rhea's level right now maybe

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outside of Becky but so I think it's much they've done a much better job of elevating her to that constant main event level that maybe where she came in at 12 months ago.

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Yeah it's been a fun year for EO as well watching her build I've always been a big EO fan and it definitely feels like that she's in that top echelon of women's wrestlers in the past year and just just overall fun character so

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re-ripply EO sky get in the victory in Perth Western Australia and then the main event here.

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The World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rawls defeats Undisputed WWE Champion Cody Rhodes to win the WWE Men's Crown Jewel Championship.

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You and I both had Seth in this one great match with some awesome back and forth Cody and Seth have some insane chemistry in the ring and they told another great story in the ring.

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Seth finally exhausted his demons by defeating Cody almost cleanly sidebar the crossroads needs to stop being kicked out of so much it's getting into the weak finisher territory.

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It's getting kicked out of way too much with that said doctor what is the closest comparison for the Cody Rhodes Seth Rawls feud because for me I look at this I'm like man what is this feud like because it's definitely reached this point where 10 years from now we took about we look back at it and

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we look at it finally I feel like this is the rock versus triple H what say you what is the closest comparison of this feud is that you can not compare it to.

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I'm going to say maybe Brett and Sean interesting like because it's more size yeah like you know you rock in triple is good but you know those are big those are kind of bigger guys hitting hard both these guys are you in that average wrestler size range.

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Maybe Sean and Owen when they had their little rivalry going after Brett left I mean it's too main event guys so I kind of it doesn't have the animosity of Brett and Sean where you felt like oh no those two guys actually really really hate each other I don't think these two guys actually age I think there's a mutual respect borderline work friendship I think I don't I don't think Cody and Seth hang out like in hotel rooms after the show playing video games.

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But I think they get along to work time stuff. But yeah it's just that rivalry in you know like they don't have bad matches you do feel like there's a little bit maybe like professional jealousy at times between the two guys so that that's kind of where I'm and like I said size wise I mean this is basically size of Brett and Sean going at it so that's kind of where I land with my comparison for.

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Paper you prediction record on this one for crown you I went three and two doctor when I perfect five and oh on the two twenty five paper you predictions record doctor leads at fifty eight and sixteen I'm at fifty four and eighteen match of the night and event rating I will go first here doctor try I gave crown jewel solid four point oh my match the night no shock here john cn.

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University of styles what say you my friend I have a little bit higher I got a four point to on this one I really enjoyed the show not to mention you know obviously match tonight scene in an age of fantastic but also getting the Bronson read victory that's that I always kind of like is there an anchor point is

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something from this show I can hold on to and the scene of eight the scene of AJ matches definitely one I remember that match for a while and then Bronson read getting a pin fall victory over Roman reigns is a linchpin moment for this guy's current now in five years

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if Bronson reason released again and not doing anything it'll kind of not matter at all but if this is his springboard into being a main event level guy where he's in five years he's got a world title rain on his belt you

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look back to the show and say it's his turning point so I got a four point to on it there you go feel free to chime in at s r a two podcast on X Facebook dot com slash the still real though show or on patron patriot on patron dot com slash s r to you podcast

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doctor tre with that said the close from this past weeks edition of Monday night rod felt like everything was in a good spot Seth wrong is coming off crown

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july defeat feed feed it Cody roads finally defeated Cody roads in wwe wins the wwe men's crown jewel championship all is well and right in the world we could start building towards Saturday nights

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main event where we'd eventually take on CM Punk for the world away title and then that would lead to the men's war game match and then eventually a bill towards rest of any 42 well that was all put on its head at the close of Monday night

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Raw, when Bron Breaker shocked the world by turning on Seth Rollins.

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It seems like everything was right in the vision.

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He gets in the face of one Paul Heyman and says you're either with me or against me.

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He actually gets into Bronson, reads face and says you're with me or against me.

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Bronson reads, then proceeds to Sunami Seth Rollins, and aligning with Bronson, Bron breaker.

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Then he gets in the face of Paul Heyman and says you're either with me or gets you.

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Or against me and Paul Heyman decides to align with Bron Breaker and Bronson, reads.

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This sped up a storyline that we figured would happen at some point, but like a year, a year and a half, maybe even two years down the line.

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It felt like we would have that evolution type spin on it where Batista and Randy Orr would eventually break away,

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and the crowd would start cheering for Bron Breaker, they'd start cheering for Bronson,

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and read they would tell us who is the next top star, which obviously led to a lot of things to try.

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What is going on?

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What is the word on the street in regards to, like, why did they do this now?

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It makes no storyline sense whatsoever because Seth Rollins would not align with CM Punk, L.A. Night, J.U.

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So Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, to take on the vision.

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Like, what is going on here?

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Reports are circulating right now that Seth Rollins was injured during the coast to coast move on Cody Rhodes

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during their match that we just recapped.

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Dave Meltzer reporting on Restombs Server Live.

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There was stories out there and fiddie photos of Seth Rollins in a sling on Sunday before a raw.

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Dave Meltzer reported earlier today following the Seth Rollins injury, saying that he will be out through Restomany 42,

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saying, quote, "Well, looks like he's going to need surgery on the shoulder, and that's pretty much it.

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The story that I got was that he was going to have surgery as soon as possible.

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That was from a couple days ago and everything else I haven't heard anything as far as what they're going to do,

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with the world heavyweight title, but if he has surgery, he's going to be out for a long time, probably past mania."

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Dr. Tray, let's recap the vision ending to raw this past Monday.

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Thoughts, and then we'll shed it all down from the injury stuff, and then where does this rank with other endings to Monday Night Raw?

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Or any doubly show in general, your overall thoughts, the vision has turned on Seth Rollins.

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I mean, it was pretty shocking.

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We didn't really know about the injury at that point, things like that, but to see it play out right there.

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You had that moment last Monday where Seth had asked Paul Heyman, "What happens if I lose?"

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Paul Heyman says, "Hey, then I got a question. Why did I leave Roman?"

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Then you have that little segment at Crown Jewel with Seth and Roman together, and then you get this.

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Maybe this was all in the plans, but it felt rushed.

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That was my next direction.

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We're doing this now.

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The really Seth got the win.

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Seth got the victory.

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He got what he needed to cement his place.

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I was a little taken aback.

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Then when you hear the reports about the shoulder injury, it kind of makes sense, but it had me worried for Braun and Braun.

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I don't want the vision to turn into bloodline 2.0 MFTs, where it's now pushed down to the mid-card level.

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These are two main event guys that you've just made, and you want to keep them up there,

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but without that main attraction guy with them, are they ready to stand on their own?

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This isn't the two-man power trip.

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This is not stone-cold and triple H-lang up.

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It's two strong individual guys who've made a decent tag team, but you kind of want that third person.

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Maybe they do get that third person down the road.

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Right now, it was just kind of like, I was taking a back-and-shogged, but for an ending to raw,

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it stands out.

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It's memorable.

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You're like, "Wait, where the hell does come from? How does this happen?"

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Now, everybody's like, "I got to end in the raw next week to see what the fall out is."

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So for an ending to a TV show, it was really damn good, Jeff.

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First off, I'm disappointed by the angle because I think we're being robbed as wrestling fans

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as to how this would play out.

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I think that's first and foremost, I just had this vision in my head that at some point,

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this would play out where maybe Lesnar's being shared as maybe face-hacking on Braun Breaker.

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There's some rumblings at those two.

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A match at WrestleMania 42.

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I eventually felt like Braun Breaker was going to be the breakout star of the group because

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the fans already are cheering them. They want to cheer him.

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And that moment where he would turn on Seth Rollins would be more impactful than what we saw

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this past Monday. So I do feel like we were robbed of watching this storyline play out.

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It was a decision that needed to be made and the minute the decision was made that they were

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going to turn on Seth Rollins, it felt like Rollins was going to be out for a while.

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And what was funny is there were reports that were circulating that were saying they weren't too sure

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how long he would be out for. I think I saw something at one point like a month.

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They don't do this type of angle for Seth Rollins to come back in early December.

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That's that you don't do an angle like this. You basically took the vision storyline and you

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lit it on fire right then and there. And it's funny because you're like, are they going to get a

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third person? I think, you know, does Lesnar slide into that spot? You know, now that he's back with

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with Hayman to a degree, he's not going to be there each and every week. I saw people putting

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fan theories out there because the reports are circulating again that it's very likely that

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Cherico returns to WWE. Well, his contract from what I believe doesn't end until early 2026,

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like the first month of 2026. So I don't think that they did this with that plan in place right now.

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My guess is they don't have a plan in place. They need to do something. They need to write Seth

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Rollins off a television. And I don't, if that's to be true, I don't know if this is the right

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direction of a Dr. Trey, quite honestly. I think this is obviously one that gets a lot of people

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talking. We're talking about it. It's the number one story and professional wrestling this week.

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But I would have done something as simple as if he was okay to take the spear from Braun Breaker.

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Let him do some sort of match where he gets destroyed by like CM Punk and Punk wins the title.

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And Rollins is injured in the process and he's on the shelf for a while. And the vision is just

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avenging his loss and they're awaiting their leader to return at some point. I thought the split was

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really interesting because even when it happened, the fans were cheering on Braun Breaker that they

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don't want a cheer on Seth Rollins. And then the Seth Rollins character in general is he's

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got a return and most likely be a baby face. I would gather unless there's like this complete 180

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with the guys on the vision right now, but just looking at it on the surface. If that's to be the

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case, he's not going to be aligning with CM Punk Cody Rhodes or Roman Reigns anytime soon.

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Because there's going to be massive trust issues there. So the overall direction is very, very

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intriguing and interesting and it's a ball of yarn that I want to see how WWE creative pulls

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themselves out of it. I think that they'll do a good job pulling themselves out of it. But it's

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probably not a popular opinion, but I was disappointed at how it played out quite honestly. I would

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prefer to different direction and try to keep this vision group together, even if Rollins is going

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to be on the shelf for eight months plus out of the year. Yeah, my thought on when they said,

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oh, he's going to be out for past wrestle. He was like, wait, Bronson Reed hit him with six

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tsunamis last year. And he was out like what a month? Yes.

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So but one spear and one tsunami is going to keep him out six months. That doesn't make sense.

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And that was kind of my thought was like, look, if you're going to take him out, think about your

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history because we've given triple H in the creative team a lot of credit for knowing their audience

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and knowing like the hardcore fans remember stuff. Like do the do a stone call thing? Who hit

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who it set with the car in the parking lot? And there's an investigation. I mean, a little bit like

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the Jade Cargill thing from last year. You could do something like that because you're right.

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Like right now they positioned it. We all want to see Brons turn on Seth and Brons be the baby face.

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And you end up getting Brons as still being the heel. And now is this going to be like a

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Charlotte thing where like you're going to force us to cheer for Seth even though maybe we don't want to

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and it's going to take somebody that's going to take it might take him having to team with CM Punk

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to get us to cheer for Seth again. You know, it's it's a weird situation. Not to mention Seth's

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wife's Becky is Becky going to be with AJ for a while and if she does and Seth comes back,

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we're not going to like Seth because we dislike Becky because of the few with AJ. So

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that part it might have just been easier like oh shit, we got to do something here but

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this is kind of what happens when you stack your deck kind of heavy on one side like there's

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a lot of baby faces which is why we got a triple threat between LA Knight J who's so in CM Punk

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for the you know, you know, number one contendership but you also got Roman floating around. You got

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big Jim floating around like you got like five or six strong baby faces at the top of the card on

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raw and right now you don't have that heel that everybody hates. So you got to kind of build that

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up really quickly. And unless my only thought was ever it's like how awesome would it be if Roman

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took over the vision because his character is kind of an asshole still. Yeah. It wouldn't be that

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hard to kind of and then he's got history with Aiman and he's around us. Now once again he told

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to who so he's we're not seeing him some Christmas so he's probably taking Thanksgiving off but

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you need somebody that everybody hates you can't like we all hate Dom you can put Dom but Dom's not

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ready to be a leader of Braun and Bronson like you don't have that Kingpin type figure as a heel

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it really on either show like a shorter Drew McIntyre with a Drew Mc with them. I don't really know

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where you go unless you're just going up nope screw it we're going to roll with Braun being the

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top heel on raw and everybody else got to step their game up. I mean you got Gunther coming back

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but that doesn't make sense Gunther with those guys. No I think you're kind of I think you're kind of

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stuck running with Braun Breaker as your top villain on that show now. Well Braun Breaker was one

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that was holding the World of Way championship to close raw there's some stuff post raw that didn't

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air obviously where he's holding the title as well. CM Punk is the number one contender and the

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all signs are pointing to punk versus Rawlins at the September excuse me November 1st Saturday

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and it's made event that was going to be take a place there now with Rawlins on the shelf the World

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of Way championship is in flux and I'm with you there is no major heel Rawlins serve that role

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and and served it amlical be and I do feel like that when he does return I think it's going to be a

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case of the absence makes the heart grow fond or where he gets that reaction and cheer again just

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like he did several several years ago now like 10 years ago when he blew out his knee in November

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that year and then returned in like June July May June July. Interfer that rains Ambrose match

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and the crowd went absolutely nuts for them and they were happy to see him and I think that's the

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type of reaction that he gets bar in where Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed are in storyline at this

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point you know you're mentioning is there anybody out there that could lead this group I think that

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there is a potential huge baby face to heel turn that they could utilize right now and I feel

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like it's the only one because out of you said everybody that we played so far you know I'm going to

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be reigned could it be Lesnar could it be Drew McIntyre doctor I'm going to make a pitch that you turn

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LA night heel and have him lead this group and align with Paul Heyman and I think you work off of

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he's never won the big one never won the World of Way championship and he sells a soul to Heyman

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I think that could be a direction that could be played here but I think the most likely one is

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that they run with Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed as a adjacent leaders in this group for now

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there is one other option and it's kind of out in left field but there is

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what if you did a double turn and you end up making punk and AJ both heels and punk takes over

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the vision and then when Seth returns Seth and Becky are the baby faces I don't think the fans

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want to see that yet because especially with AJ's lead just be back in the last six weeks

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yeah I mean it's a little early for AJ but I mean I mean right now with punk being you know and they

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mention our rock punk's trying to get back to being a world champion like that's his obsession that's

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all he can think about and and maybe it's punk making the deal with the devil and you know he kind of

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has to use AJ to cement his heel run by kind of like my true love is the world championship and not you

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well here's the thing that Rawlins Rawlins injury is a house of cards right I mean look at how many

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storylines it affects I mean you mentioned Becky Lynch right if Becky when Becky Lynch returns

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to television she what is she gonna address she has to address the vision like what'd you do to

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my husband and then is she unless she goes I love what you did I'm getting a divorce like she

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becomes a baby face at that point theoretically depending on what the direction of Bronson Reed

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and Braun Breaker is like this Monday's edition of Raw like that's now that affects her it affects

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this is also affected you point out CM Punk LA night J. U. so everything for war games Cody Roads

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Roman Reigns like this is affecting a lot of people Brock Lesnar it let like Seth Rollins was like

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the main vein of WWE and a lot of things were blown up and it'll be interesting because they've had

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a very long flight from Australia they've had they will have a week to really think about this in

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the direction they they want to go and we will see this upcoming Monday's edition of Raw what is

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that direction and why or we'll see a play out here in the coming weeks which I think is the more

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likely scenario last thing I want to talk about here Dr. Dreary I look two things real quick

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we talked about it one Rawlins we thought was injured on Saturday nights main event back in

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Saturday but it was all about Arruz is Rawlins injury prone one because when I saw that move taking

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place during the live show of Crown Jewel I was like this is a really bad idea like Cody's trying

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to keep himself up this does not look good why would you do a head butt shoulder whatever you did

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there because now Rawlins is hurt is the injury prone and then where does this rank with the most

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shocking endings to a WWE show we've ever seen I mean okay I'll also say one I don't you know

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if it's top 10 it's it's pretty shocking for recent television but you go back to a lot of

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that attitude air of stuff that you and I watched there was a lot of crazy stuff to end Raw through the

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attitude air and coming up so maybe 12 maybe top 15 but I mean I don't I don't know if I can put it

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yet it might also depend on how this launches brawn breaker and broncendry like if they turn into blood

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like I said if they turn into like a mid card faction like the MFTs are on Smackdown then it's not

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gonna stay up but if this is what kind of sets those guys up and these guys turn into the modern day

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version of Triple H and and Stone Cold where one guy's got the world title one guy's got the you

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know inner the inner Connell title and then they both get the tag team titles and they hold all the

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gold hey it's a that that's gonna jump it up a little bit and I'm gonna also try not to need jerk it

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as well and just go yeah this is oh my god it was crazy and then I look at the history of braw and I'm like

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yeah it's it's not quite there yet and as far as Seth being injury prompt I think sets issues

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look Seth's like 36 37 he still wants to wrestle like he's 24 25 and your body doesn't land the

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same way and not to mention he took that if they took that top rope crossroads it's like do like if

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your shoulders not feeling it don't take that move because I don't think that move helps out any

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kind of shoulder injury that you feel in your body at that point so it's just like I don't know like

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I saw the thing their day it was a Stevie Richards podcast and he was asking like Terry Taylor

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when do you know you're a good worker and Terry Taylor said unfortunately it's not until you get hurt

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that you learn how to be a good worker because you learn that you got to take care of yourself because

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back in the old days if you were off TV you weren't making any money different time now with guaranteed

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contracts but you know one good argue if you can only make it through six months of a year or you

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make it through a year and a half straight but then you're out for eight months like it's hard to

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be consistently on that workhorse mentality if you are getting banged up and hurt a lot so

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maybe it's time for Seth to kind of reevaluate how he wrestles a match and go okay maybe that's not

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the smartest risk to take can I do something else and still get the same crowd reaction from it a

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little bit of Brian Danielson Brian yes is that he you know he had a change up how he wrestled after

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all the concussions a lot of guys said the same thing like they get to a certain point they realize

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hey my body can't handle the same stuff I was doing at 26 when I'm approaching 40 and they got

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changed styles a punk changes style of you know a lot of these you know 220 pound 240 pound guys

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want to wrestle like they're indestructible and then all of a sudden their body starts giving out

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all the time you got to reevaluate yeah it sucks not having them on television and yeah it's a huge

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huge but huge bummer that wrongs us out this vision storyline is is you know that we were witnessing

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this kind of cave din we'll see how WWE creative saves it I'm sure they'll do a good job and then

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regards to like most shocking endings I would say in this current generation of being able to

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read the dirt sheets have an idea where things were going predict professional wrestling podcast

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contact creation out there I would say this is the most shocking you know recent raw endings with

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like the shield breaking up we kind of thought that that was going to be happening we saw nothing

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out there right now then let us to believe that this was going to be the direction of the vision so

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I think it's definitely one of the most shocking raw endings in the current generation of

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climate of world or center attainment where nowadays the creative is at your fingertips and you have

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an idea of where things are going in the direction so I think it's up there huge bummer overall but

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we will see how WWE salvages the vision storyline and we'll be talking about that all on next week's

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edition of SRTU. Dr. Trey brought in the scope outside of WWE into the rest of the world of professional

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wrestling there were huge title changes this week that could change the direction now of two wrestling

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companies one we'll start with new Japan pro wrestling is Kenozgate Takeshii won the IWGP World

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of the way championship and then TNA wrestling as Mike Santana won the TNA World Championship

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what your thoughts on these title changes and how much of an impact could these two title changes

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have on the direction of both of those companies. I mean the Mike's I'll start the TNA one the

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Mike's I and TNA one made a lot of sense because eventually you know the the NXT guys can't help

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and I also think that Tricks gonna get moved up to the main roster here in the next few months as

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well especially with Brother Walgreens coming up in January as usually when a lot of guys make

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the jump up so hey let's make the switch now baby face gets the big triumph and victory and it's

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great for Mike's I and this is a guy that basically bet on himself broke up a highly successful tag team

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long time tag team bet on himself make you know thought he could do it and prove people right and

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and to me he's this generation is gonna be a version of Eddie Kingston like he's just the hard

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hitting tough talking Puerto Rican guys just kicks ass that's a great guy to have on your roster either

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the top of the car or the bottom where like he's just a great guy to have um the Kenozgate Takeshii

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one is really surprising to me because he doesn't have a new Japan contract he's an AEW guy so kind of

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surprising and maybe they're taking a page out of the NXT TNA playbook and saying hey we're gonna

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have more of our guys crossing over to help prop up new Japan while they're in a state of flux because

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we've talking about like their roster has been really really depleted over the past few years and

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they don't really have those bankable stars like they had four or five years ago um but it was just

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that was really surprising to me that they made that move because that's not something you typically see

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like usually new Japan's very conscientious of their roster and who their champions are and I mean

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even though Takeshii kind of came up in that company he doesn't work there it's you know he's got a

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AEW contract so maybe it's their move to kind of get hey don't forget about us because you're going to

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see Takeshii with the with the IWGP championship on you know on AEW television so maybe it's their way

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of kind of getting that branding back out there seeing the success that TNA has had and maybe that's

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the move but it really did shock the hell of me when I saw that he had captured the title.

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So Takeshii actually has three contracts Dr. Trey so he has AW he is signed by new Japan and he's also

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signed by DDT um but I think he's more looked at as an AW guy yeah I think that's the point that

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that you're making there is is this is like an AW guy winning the IWGP and that this could benefit

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both companies I also think based off of something that we've talked about on the show in recent months

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that this could be looked at by a lot of people as once again new Japan being you know dog walked by

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AEW I wanted to look at it this way I think Takeshii is one of the most talented wrestlers in the world

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but I do believe that that is probably something some people are talking about but I think both

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title changes can have a major impact on both companies I I love Mike Santana I love Kenosuke Takeshii

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I think the Takeshii title change has the biggest impact out of the two though I think that this

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could really help rejuvenate in japan with an American audience by the Takeshii goal the title and

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maybe even winning the tag team titles which we'll talk about WrestleTream here in a little bit with

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with Kusuchko Okaada following the Saturday's WrestleTream so major title changes this week as TNA and

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New Japan have new flag bearers for both companies uh Dr. Trey before we get AW WrestleTream and look

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at the show uh I do want to point out that there is a weird little uh situation going on with

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Andrade in AW so uh he debuted after leaving WWE about two three weeks ago attacked Kenny Omega

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and then disappeared off television I think he made one more appearance on collision and that was it

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haven't seen him since no mention of him and it was like a very hush-hush situation in what's going on

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well uh according the reports out there Brian Alvarez is reporting that the new TKO contracts have

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a clause where if you are fired for cause or breach which would be the case with Adrade there is a

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one year non-compete the older contracts had this but it's standard now this is the hold-up

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involving Andrade and why he hasn't been on AW television since his return so he may have a

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non-compete for one full year which is just absurd and wrong and and stupid uh but there are people

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in WWE that thought he had no 90 day compete non-compete people in AEW that clearly thought he did not

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have a non-compete uh there's some sort of legal situation going on here Dr. Trey this is very

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very money uh I don't want I don't like the one year non-compete I think that's wrong for Andrade

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not to be able to you know do what he did and and and you know make a living unless he's being paid

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this entire time uh and then two uh this is just another reason why AW shouldn't have signed him in my

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opinion if he had issues with violating the wellness policy in WWE why would you bring him back unless

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they know something that we don't know so Dr. Trey your thoughts you on this entire weird situation

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with Andrade and AW yeah I'm you know for most of us that are working in middle management up

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companies love that those end the of those no compete clauses in there and I've always hated them

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because I'm like look if you fire me apparently you don't think I'm an asset to your company so

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why should that preclude me from going and applying my craft elsewhere um you know I can see it if I

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up and quit and I go somewhere you you raise a fuss yes that makes sense but you know they try to pass

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they try to outlaw these like a year ago and then it got struck down like it passed it basically

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like it freed up the no compete clauses before I think it was like two or three weeks and then

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somebody went back in there's an injunction so all that stuff still up in the court actually I think

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it's heading towards a supreme court uh first the year to find out that's legal or not but once again

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like don't take the guys word for it hey uh so we you know we understand you got released by WWE

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do you have a no compete clause no because of the what I got released for they I'm good to go

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and they signed the guy and it's like wait now legal jumps in um I do think a year is unreasonable

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especially considering that that takes this you know the guy can't make a living for a full year

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that's kind of ridiculous but then again you signed the deal you had your representation look at it

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so it kind of falls on Andrade and AEW for not reading the fine print like both people have lawyers

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and representation they should have looked this over before they made that that call not to mention

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Andrade I mean hell if you got representation you can negotiate the release like if you want out of

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WWE and you're ready to go and you're violating policy after policy negotiate it you're like hey

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I'll take it you know just don't pay me my last you know my last two paychecks and let me out a little

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bit earlier so I can go work somewhere else because this hasn't worked out so yeah I kind of fault AEW

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for not having their representation look over the contract because obviously Andrade's people

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had a copy of it and then it's on Andrade for basically like not just burning the bridge I mean he

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TNT that bridge between him and WWE so this might be the biggest mess since Alberto Del Rio's type

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stuff yeah this is a weird one right I mean one year on the sidelines like that just doesn't seem

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right and hopefully won't stop out yeah NCAA has that with coaches when they violate certain policies

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they get the show cause and they can't coach again for X amount of years and I think a lot of these

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companies are kind of doing that it's hey they're way to get out of paying guarantees where if you're

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violating company policy or wellness programs or things like that they can get out of paying you

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but it's also kind of like hey there's also guys will purposely violate stuff just to get out of

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working somewhere and that's their back in hook like fine if you want to blow up this contract

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and get out cool you're out we ain't got to pay you but you can't go work anywhere else because you

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purposely did this it is kind of like you know corporations backhand of ways of punishing the people

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that don't fulfill their end of the contract yeah so it's something to keep an eye on um listen

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not a fan of the entire situation here but hopefully if Andrade has something going on

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his personal life that he takes his time to rehabilitate himself in some sort of way and whatever

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led to him being fired by wwe and has that opportunity if it's nothing which I don't think it is

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then so be it and hopefully as resolves itself where I can just like go back to work at some

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point here because very very very weird story so that is the latest where in the world is Andrade

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in a w because he has just suddenly disappeared and then lastly our doctorate a w russle dream

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will be taking place this Saturday for the chavette serena in saint louis miserie we have a lot of

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interesting matches here you've got jaymy hater versus tecla hurts end of kid versus the demand in

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at shrios tornado match a five hundred thousand dollar tag team match between the young bucks and the

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Jurassic Express uh an i quit match between Darby Allen and john moxie a w t and t championship

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max between Kyle flutcher mart brisco a w rull tag team title match as brodino takes on okada and

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tekeshka stately under defends the women's world championship against Tony storm and hangman on

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page defends the a w rull championship gets him on a joe dot trade this to me this entire show is just

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about darby moxley's i quit match they had a segment on this past Wednesday edition of dynamite that

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was really really good that is the match to the savour out to me i think it's the main event match

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and i'm really really interested into what type of violence both these guys bring during the

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pay-per-view on saturday yeah not to mention by most accounts this was supposed to be the end of the

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deathwriter angle was darby a moxley and it was supposed to remember it's supposed to be for the a w

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title until darby got hit by a bus to then try to climb a mountain uh the whole deck got kind of

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shuffled and they went they they finally pivoted with the hangman or out uh but yeah like this is

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gonna be really interesting where this goes because darby hasn't fared well with moxie matches and

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darby hasn't fared well in gimmick matches and i just don't know how you have darby say i quit and

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keep darby at the top of the car i mean once again i still i go back to losing a coffin match to

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jack perry so like to me like darby has to win this darby has to get moxley to say i quit darby has to

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basically go nuts and bring and not to mention run through some of the deathwriters as well i mean

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you can't have paragon and everybody else kind of coming out to make it safe uh to make it whole but

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then again you might to me like darby has to win this match everything else does kind of feel like

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filler although the okaida tekesta versus brodito thing is really interesting because you could have

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okaida and tekesta having multiple titles draped in gold which would be really good for those guys

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and the don calis family so i'm interested that's the route they go um and then eventually you get

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okaida or to you know probably like either okaida tekesta breaking away from the calis family and then

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you get the okaida tekesta match so i'm amissers in that one but everything else

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kind of i mean stoutlander tony is going to be interesting to see if they put the belt right back

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on tony on tony storm but it you're right it's really darby and moxley and then a couple of

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other interesting matchups and then the rest just kind of feels like filler for me like i hate by the way

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this is a personal thing i hate money matches like oh the winner gets 30 thousand dollars on the water

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nope tony con is not get like for one if i'm any other wrestler on the roster and tony cons

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actually going to pay the winner of a predetermined match in extra five hundred thousand dollars

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i'm pissed like where's my half million dollar check for being in a in a in a matchup like this

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maybe it's extra money though for montraide's contract

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maybe maybe but then it's like once again dude uh why is it only two teams why why why isn't

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the acclaimed in there max cast or anything but they wouldn't pack up again but for five hundred

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thousand dollars i bet they're scissoring like crazy on the way down in the ring

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i'm just saying it yes this is like a very like nineteen ninety three gimmicky thing and they do it a

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lot i hate that and i hate the uh which it it does make sense for the stuff that they're doing the

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young bucks but i do find it very old school gimmicky not in a good way and i also hate like the

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all-star matches that they love doing yeah i mean the only thing that would make that match

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worth a while is a bishop bishop to wire shirt bishop dire shows up as broke core of you broke

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bro dire okay yeah bro bro homeless dire and he's out there like pan handling poor hey i know you

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just one five hundred thousand dollars can you give a brother three fifty you know something like that

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this i mean it's a very light card outside of darby and moxay i'm looking forward to brodino and

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okada tecashka do you feel like stat blender and tony stormers another match as well it is really

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really good but i eat it's a light card when you look at hangman and samoa jow as the world title match

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with like very little build and reasing other than some oh jow got pister in the trio match and said

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you never beat me and if you want to be world champion champion if it wasn't for us prior to that

534
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they were all good and they were all kosher this to me just feels like a placeholder for hopefully

535
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something big for hangman page i mean mjf is gone a lot of big names are gone and there's not a lot

536
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of solid contenders i don't think we want to see moxley in page again uh maybe okada and addon

537
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pages in the direction they could go i feel like and i only feel this way because of the meaty call

538
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quotes that i read today from rassal dream doctor trey i feel like swarfs frecklin is on his way back

539
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and i want to be shocked if we go into a swerve and hangman page uh match at full gear and newwork

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and that that one is based more on respect than the animasi that was between the two guys before

541
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and i feel like this is just a placeholder which is extremely sad to say because samoa jow is no

542
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freaking placeholder do you think tonic calm was like backstage and was like okay guys uh

543
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who wants a world title match that they can't win and jose like i'll do it like i'll put the kid over

544
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yeah like i'll do it for you but then again like here's in this is the issue i have with adm

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times if you do this match now that's baby face versus baby face then again you come back and you

546
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do hangman and swerve even if it's mutual respect it's baby face versus baby face like how are you

547
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building that star that the crowd just goes that's my god i agree i agree you're splitting your

548
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audience multiple times and then that's when the run the world title run starts to feel flat

549
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and then you pivot because the audience feels flat but the audience feels flat because of how you

550
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booked the world title run well that's what people are saying right now about hangman in general i'm a

551
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huge hangman fan i think he's awesome i think he's great um i don't think poor creative should be his

552
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fault uh we i'm gonna mention it this wasn't a topic that certainly could have been but i don't

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know if you saw when a w and and nxt went head to head last week the showdown first title Tuesday i

554
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think showdown was like over 600 thousand viewers dynamite title Tuesday and it ran for a two and

555
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a half hours was like 330 thousand viewers um the eels and ratings changed their viewership on how

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they're doing it i mean that is half of the audience was half of nxt's audience tuned into or half of

557
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who tuned into nxt tuned into a w dynamite if that's the case like that that would have been a major

558
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story four years ago if you and i covered that like if nxt was at 300 thousand and a w's at 600 thousand

559
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we would have been like holy shit what is going on but just because of that it's been going on it

560
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it kind of gets lost in the shuffle and also maybe not too surprising all in all um but yeah this is

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i think it's kind of a reflection again here we are like i thought last year September of

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December September October November parts of December to cotton under classic really saved it

563
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a w goes in the swoon and i feel like they're going in the swoon again and it makes you wonder is Tony

564
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Khan being pulled in so many different directions and i'll just throw it out there i mean the jacks

565
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of the jackwars are playing right now is he doing stuff with the jaguars that's not allowed in focus on

566
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a w fully because i do feel like a w has been really really good lately but you look at this card

567
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and it's like i wouldn't pay 3999 i would not pay 3999 an episode here to watch this additionally

568
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:28,680
on top of my hbo max package that i'm playing for this is not a 3999 event to me dr. Dre

569
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,880
yeah i mean you you call it a wrestle dream but like this is like a fever dream like really like

570
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,760
we're talking like there's not a lot in this car that stands out you're missing most of your top

571
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:44,200
heels like yeah like kind of fletch is on the show but now i mean cauliflower whiff from wrestling

572
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,680
from the world title to defending the t and t taligan's mark brisco we all love mark brisco

573
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:55,000
but this match is going to be second on the card third on the card it's not where you're trying

574
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,400
you were just trying to position cauliflower as a top guy and now you have them in the middle of

575
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:07,080
the card again like where are like out who are the he seem like the heels that you're building up we

576
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love like if the same situation which i'm out of raw it just takes one injury to completely shuffle

577
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:20,280
raw's deck a w mjfs out right now filming a movie somewhere and the entire card feels like

578
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lusher because you don't have outside of the deathwriters and the deathwriters almost have go away

579
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:33,320
heat like you don't have that top heel ready to go in a situation like this and you're gonna have to go

580
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:40,440
back to back baby face baby face world title matches which does not increase viewership

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interesting times right now um just something to think about are they going into another swoon

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right now to close out 2025 because this this show i'm sure the all of great matches just the build

583
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,560
and overall umph behind it is is lacking it's comparable to what eight of he's been doing lately

584
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:03,480
but we figured this would catch up to them when they didn't have osprey and edge or Adam Copeland

585
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:09,800
and uh swerve on television as well that there's gonna be some rough waters if unless they could

586
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steer their way through it so we will see uh as a w Russell dream uh takes place this saturday in

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saint louis msury uh with that said let's close up shop on this week's edition of srt you i'm gonna

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with that being said what is going on the wonderful world of dr freckling this week well like

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jef said you can follow me on x at the dr tre you could find me on instagram and facebook dr tre

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franklin uh when you're on facebook check out roca's htbsbwrestling we got another big show coming up

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this saturday night um all of our shows you can go to the roca city facebook page see the youtube

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feeds um i'm i'm really excited about the direction roca's ee's a we got a lot of young talent coming

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through jef we have a guy who wrestles under the name of chicken finger did you ever think you'd hear

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wrestler see exactly you start laughing say we's taking pictures with them we've got he's got custom

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music the whole nine yards like it's just a good time the man goes out there square dances we have a

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guy that comes out with man boobs and he wrestles like he's a playboy like it's just good fun old school

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wrestling but most importantly if you like that kind of stuff get out there and check out your own

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local independent wrestling shows you might find that show like us where hey at one point we had a

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guy named blue waffle wrestling for us back in my early days i created and now we got chicken finger

606
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running around you might find your own guy the the the waffle house band it at your local

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event or you can go find those guys that you know are high flying diving all the ring doing all the

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crazy spots that a j and john scenea did um and getting no handshakes or hot dogs for just

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locally independent wrestling where it's at go out there find your local shows and just go out and

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have a good time support other great things that support s r t u and then don't forget to spread

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enjoyed rostle dream and until next weekend or next week excuse me for doctorate for like an

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i m jeff pack this has been this to release show