Was WWE Backlash in France Historic? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #743 – 5/9/24

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It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to
this week's edition The Surreal The Show,

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Episode number seven and forty three ver
May ninth, twenty twenty four. This

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year WWE Backlash Recap and Review edition
of ass RT You I am one alf

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the Show. I am Jeff Peck
joined every single week when my co host

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on only Doctor Trey Franklin. Doctor
Trey, do you want to go to

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France? My friend, well,
a wise man once told me there's a

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place in France where the women wear
no pants and then there's a hole in

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the wall where the men can sea
at all. But I will say,

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based on that crowd in France,
it's it's now jumped way up on my

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list of future travel destinations. Never
in my wildest dreams what I think I

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would want to go to France.
I watched Backlash and that was a pretty

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good way to sell France to wrestling
fans. So let's get into it here,

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Doctor Trey w Backlash Recap and Review. We'll get right into it right

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away here, right at the jump. It came to us this past Saturday

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from the l dlc Arena and Leone, France. We'll run through the card

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and then we'll go through our matches
and moments. We want to discuss the

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Bloodline defeat Randy Orton Kevin Owens.
We both had the Bloodline. Bailey defeats

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Naomi and Tiffany Stratton to in a
triple threat match to retain the w Women's

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Championship. We both had Bailey.
Damian Priese retains the World Heavyweight Championship over

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j Usa. We both had Damien
Priese. Bianca bell Aar and Jade Cargill

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defeat the Kabuki Warriors to win the
WWE Women's Tag Team Championship. We both

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had Bianca and Jade, and Cody
Rhods defeats aj Styles retain the Undisputed w

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Championship. We both had Cody Rhodes. We both went five and oh over

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our prediction records here now and dating
back to aw Dynasty, Doctor Trey and

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I are fifteen and oh over the
last two shows that takes our pay per

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view prediction records. I'm at fifty
and eight. Doctor Trey is at forty

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five and thirteen. Pretty good there, Doctor Trey. I guess we should

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try to make this a thing with
like DraftKings or Fan Duel ever picks up

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these wrestling picks. I'm we're on
a Goldberg Oscar streak right now. I

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guess we just got to run with
it. So yeah, overall, I

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don't know if that's a good thing
or not. I mean ten and oh

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for AAW then a five and oh
here, I don't know if that's actually

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a good thing for us or a
bad thing, because does that mean wrestling's

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a little predictable right now? I
don't really know, Like we like the

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uncertainty of stuff. But although this
card was very, very kind of predictable,

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it was it actually was a decent
show. Yeah, we'll see what

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the ratings are here from both of
us. I mean we did give aw

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dynasty. I gave it a four
point oh doct Trey gave it a four

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point two and it was easily predicted
show. And we'll see where backlash lands

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as well. So matches and moments
I want to discuss here, we want

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to discuss here, Doctor Trey on
this week's ditition of sr TU. I

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think the first thing for me the
France international crowds, by far and away,

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they are, without it, doubt
the best France was a legendary crowd.

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The crowd for Clash at the Castle
a couple of years ago, legendary

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crowd, the backlash from last year
in Puerto Rico, legendary crowd. I

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mean that those crowds make the shows
that much more fun. I don't know

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how, you know, maybe if
you take that crowd element out of it,

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is it is that of an entertaining
show that we watch on Saturday.

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I could not get over how much
fun the France crowd and international crowds overall

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are, especially as we've seen the
last couple of years in w W A

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Are we spoiled as America wrestling consumers? Is that? Is that what it

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is? We're just spoiled and they're
just so much more appreciative of the fact

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that they're there. Now. Yes, one to answer your question, this

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show is in Leon, France.
It's not in Paris. It's in Leon,

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and Michael Cole had to bring it
up. That's two hours away.

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So maybe it's because they weren't in
Paris and they were Leone. I don't

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know, but the I mean,
and you go at in the you know,

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the Wembley Stadium show, that crowd
was really good too. I mean,

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I don't know if it was as
good, but it's eighty thousand people

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versus twelve thousand people or fifteen thousand
people. Smaller crowds in an area like

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this are really really passionate. But
the Wembley the London crowd was was really

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good too. But this was one
of the most fun shows I've watched,

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just off crowd interaction that I can
remember at a qual x time. The

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fun part for me, Jeff,
I don't know if you went through this,

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was trying to decipher what they were
chanting, because literally the entire show

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they chanted this is awesome, but
with the accent it sounded like this is

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awkward. At so I was like, fair, I think they're saying awesome,

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but the accidents were I still do
not know what they were chanting.

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At AJ Styles they were singing a
song about him being phenomenal because I actually

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looked it up after SmackDown, So
the big chants were the phenomenal ones every

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time phenomenal was said in that segment
from AJ Styles and Cody wrote. And

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if you actually go back to that
SmackDown, the fans like clearly hijacked that

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segment so much so that I think
Cody and AJ Styles were a little bit

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thrown off because it was kind of
an awkward segment if you go back and

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watch that. And then the second
one was they would chant in France that

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is two or this is two or
whatever it was. Every single time there

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was a two count, which was
a nod to the French commentators for we

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who got like this massive reaction from
the crowd. So those were the two

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that were going out. But they
were singing a song about aj styles being

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phenomenal. It's like some sort of
pop cultury eighties nineties song. And then

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they had the that is two that
they were counting. But in French.

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Do you remember nxc UK when Zach
Gibson was there, Oh yeah, that

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was a great helpe Zach Gibson off. Yeah, I love that and and

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stuff like that where I'm like,
man like, I feel like as Americas

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we just you know, you and
I talk about it. It's like the

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tribalism and everybody wants to point out
the botches or this and this and this.

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It's like, man like these shows
Puerto Rico, France, England,

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you know, Scotland, uttuse be
car If was in Wales. Actually they

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just have fun. They're just there
to have fun and party and have a

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good time, and like it does
it makes you go, Damn, I

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just really want to go to a
show now overseas somewhere and just be a

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part of that environment. But I
mean that that alone, if this show

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was done in Indianapolis, you and
I have price here and be like,

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yeah, it was an okay show, But that crowd actually just amped it

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up and just made it that.
I mean, the Jay Uso entrance was

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fantastic, you know, like just
things like that, you know, hearing

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the French people sing the Bailey song. Yeah, the crowd singing Randy Orton

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song on SmackDown and again at Backlash, like stuff like that just made the

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show even more memorable. And it's
like, yeah, I mean outside like

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Backlash last year. I remember Zelina
Vega, I remember bad Buddy Dan Priesze.

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I don't remember the much of the
show. I remember the crowd,

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and I wonder if we'll feel the
same way next year about man Backlash in

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France was so fun. I don't
really remember like any of the matches standing

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out is like fantastic matches, but
damn, that crowd was into it.

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Yeah, they were really into it. I think it's just international crowds as

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a whole, because you see it
during soccer football matches, how amp they

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are. I know, every time
like Major League Baseball goes to an international

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place, like the crowd is hyped, they're excited for it. I just

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think American crowds are boring in all
honesty, right, I mean we sit

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there and we're like, oh,
New York, Philly, Boston. There's

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some other spots that have popped up
over the last couple of years where you're

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like, that was a really good
US crowd and they go back and it's

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a lot of fun. But then
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I expect that Glasgow, Scotland is
gonna be awesome for Clash to the

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Castle next month. They just always
seem to bring it and they deliver and

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they have a great time. And
yeah, I mean to that point,

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I you know, crowds play a
huge role into it, and that was

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such a hot, fun crowd that
the performers were like really excited and into

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it. There was a couple of
times where usually like when the moments happened

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postmatch, you'll you could like kind
of read the lips of the wrestlers and

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see what they're saying. But you
could audibly hear Bailey saying like, you

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guys were amazing, like thank you
so much, and it was some sort

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of like character thing, like it
was one hundred percent legitimate response to how

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they were treating her during the match, or just receptive of the match as

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a whole, and they just were
having a fun time. You could tell

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the performers, we're having a fun
time, and it just resonated on the

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screen because me, as a viewer
at home, was having a fun time.

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So amazing crowd there. We'll talk
a little bit more about the French

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backlash crowd in just a moment or
two. A couple more news and notes

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from me here, Doctor Trey Paul
Hayman's reactions to this new Rogue edition of

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the Bloodline is incredible and this chapter
of the Bloodline storyline is really good with

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the shocking edition of Tongaloya. I
mean, we've been hearing about Jacob Fatu

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from MLW now that he's a free
agent and he's reportedly signed with nothing about

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Tom Atungua's tag team partner from Guerrilla's
of Destiny Toangaloa being signed to WEE.

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He's actually back in we People may
not remember him as Camacho along with Huniko

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in that ill fated uh gimmick from
the post Sinkara era of Huniko in late

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twenty tens early twenty tens. Excuse
me, but Hayman in the background,

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I mean, he looks like he's
a prisoner of war right now, like

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he has been kidnapped. And then
they had that interaction leading into the jay

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Uso Damien priestmatch behind the scenes where
like the bloodline goes past jay Uso,

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Hayman stops, stares at jay us
and kind of is like help me in

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a way. I mean, that
is awesome. And those are speaking volumes,

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and that is a moment where emotions
and reactions and facial expressions are telling

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more of a story than the words
that I'm saying, the responses to what

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I believe Paul Hayman is going through
right now. Yeah, Paul Hayman's everybody

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knows that I've been in the rest
of the visits for I've stolen so much,

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and the big part of it is
the facials and the expressing of emotion

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without saying a word, and a
lot of stuff he's doing now, Like

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even postmatch when Solo and Tongala and
Toma tong are standing over Kevin Owens and

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there's Paul Hayman protecting Kevin Owens.
This is the guy that's not Roman,

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like four or five times over the
last three years, was involved in the

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Samy zay and s with the USOS
in Wrestlmania two years ago, and Paul's

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protecting Kevin Owens like that just shows
you like he has no control or his

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character has no control over what Solo
and the Gorillas are are doing are going

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to be doing. It's telling in
that sense. And even like you mentioned

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the slow walk past Jay. You
know, even Jay like looking shocked like

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he sees his brother, but then
he sees I guess his cousins. I

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don't. I don't know how the
family. I didn't and study this part

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of the family treat But and then
you see Paul like slowly walking by,

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and like you said, that helped
me look or the I'm surprised you're still

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because I have no controling what these
guys do. Right now, I think,

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like is so telling him? So
good? But yeah, I mean

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Tonga Low was showing up, and
honestly, there was a part of me

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that just kept wanting him to ride
the bicycle to the ring afterwards. If

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you don't know what I'm referring,
to go back and watch Camacho. But

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yeah, like, and then even
hearing Corey and Michael allude to the name

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Gorillas of Destiny postmatch without saying it
is in you know, the commentary,

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even like when they're talking about Tonga
or Toma Tonga and mentioning his wins in

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New Japan and who he defeated,
you know, matches with Evil, Like

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did you ever think you would hear
them mention Evil on a WW broadcast?

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Like it was stuff like that just
kind of blew me away, And I'm

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like, damn, Like that's really
good. But it lends credibility to characters

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that the American audience may not know. So Paul Hayman, the commentary crew

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on this whole thing was it was
fantastic. The other point I want to

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make from this show here, there
was a confusion of who was legal during

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the women's tag team match that slowed
down the pace to match some but you

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could ultimately see the long term storyline
starting to play out for bel Air and

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Cargill, which is exciting. I
think Jade is still a ways away for

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being able to handle a one on
one encounter with Bianca Belair in ring wise,

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but there's a lot of promise there. She gets more reps in.

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I would like to see this thing
play out, Doctor Trey the belief in

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this one. It was like the
Bloodline always with Sammy's ain involved, that

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somebody was going to turn on who
my feeling would be the Jade car Gill

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turns on Bianca at some point.
I would like to see this just play

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out and end up at a WrestleMania
match. And it's very funny because coming

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out of the Royal Rumbolt earlier this
year, they did the tease of Bianca

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versus Jade, and I think even
back in December when we were predicting the

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WRESTLEMANI card for one of the last
shows of the year, we were thinking

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Bianca and Jade would be the match
on WrestleMania, and that was under the

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old guard of we that would most
likely happen under this new guard. And

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I've said this before in the podcast
with Paul Levec Triple H. They're letting

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it breathe a little bit more and
have some emotion behind it, rather than

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saying, yeah, we know you
want to see this. This is a

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dream match we're going to execute.
Now, there is that dream match.

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We want to see this, but
we're going to give you a storyline and

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some emotion behind it and build these
two to have a personal conflict at some

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point, and that makes things exciting. So a little bit too fold here.

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The tag team match did not live
up to any type of potential because

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of the weird legal slowing it down, referee saying they weren't legal, then

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letting I think Oscar stay in the
ring. It was very confusing. But

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what's exciting of all this This is
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believe, hopefully a long storyline between
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so a couple things are that match. I'll bring up one. I'm

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a big Oscar fan, but there
are times I watch Oscar wrestle that the

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communications off and it looks clunky.
I'm not a Kyrie Saint fan. I

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know there's a lot of people that
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I watch her in a match,
and it's somebody that she really hasn't wrestled

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that often. You get these and
I saw people like trying to blame Jade

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for stuff in this match, and
I was like, you have three veterans

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and a person who's green. The
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the match so that way she doesn't
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times where things look clunky and off, it was the fault of Oscar and

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Kyrie and not Jay. So go
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kind of mindset. The other thing
is I want you to go back and

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check the tapes because I remember distinctly
my WRESTLEMANI card was Biyanka and Jade against

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the Kamuki Warriors, and you were
like, no, I want Bianca and

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Jade one on one a wrestle Manie. I was like, if you give

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it time, it'll it'll, it'll
play itself out. So you've come full

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circle. Then you come around to
my point of view, because that was

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what I had at WrestleMania, was
Jada Biyaki against the Kabuki Warriors then leading

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to an eventual split between them to
get to that WrestleMania match. I want

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to see Beyonca turn on Jade.
I want to see jb the baby face

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because she is greener, she is
clunkier in the ring than Bianca, and

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we haven't had heel Bianca in quite
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would be that Jade gets popular,
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Jade head against the WrestleMania season.
So that's how I would That's how I

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would book it because we haven't seen
that version of Bianca in w W shis

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she's come to the main roster,
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play out. Haygaen say next to
yours WrestleMania. I think Jade is just

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so damn good as a heel that
I'd like to see that play out on

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w WILLI and Beyonca is so damn
good as a baby face, but Beyonca

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and NXT as a heel was really
good also, And Jade could be your

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female superman, like you know,
like we talked about with John seen it

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back in the day or the Roman
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It's hard to book monsters and giants
sometimes, as you know, villains because

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when they lose. It makes them
look bad. I think you know,

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we've seen Bianca be the superwoman of
this roster for three four years. Now

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you can let somebody else come in
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Let Bianca flesh out her character somewhere, because hell she's I'm not that Bianca's

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all because think Bianca's like twenty nine. But as a heel, it gives

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her a little bit of depth,
and then you know she can always revert

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back, you know, save the
day and come back as a babyface,

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and you flip j back the other
way. I just sometimes it's to take

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the unconventional route is actually the best
course of action. So doctor Trey wanted

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me to pull the tapes and back
in December, there as Russell Manni forty

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Car predictions. He had Oscar and
Kyrie saying defending the WE Women's Tag Team

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Championship against Chelsea Green and Piper Nivin
Alba Faire and Islad Dawn and Italian Teaganox.

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And you did have Jade versus Bianca
maybe later on, maybe later on

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coming out of the rumbles, when
you felt that way, Yeah, I

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think I flipped. It was at
the rumble, So yeah, I know

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at the Rumble, I went to
the tag team match, so there you

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go. There you go. I
actually had Bianca, bel Air, and

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Chatzi tagging with one another against Oscar
and Kyrie, saying for the woman's tag

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team Championship. So there you go. There's some thoughts there on that tag

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team match. And the last thing
I want to say here from the backlash

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pl Doctor Trey is I love seeing
aj Styles back in the World Championship main

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event match. I felt like he
was the perfect first opponent for Cody's Championship

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reign. Yeah, and I think
how we posted it there is the first

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time we haven't had we've had a
World title match in cleanly since Riddle and

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Roman reigns. Wow. But just
a really really good match. I love

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my bouse back where A says just
two Georgia boys going at it. I

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love that stuff. It was so
good. I mean, it's just a

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really really damn good match. I
do question this thing where Cody has to

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put away certain guys with three crossroads
but Aj only takes one. I'm like,

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what we hid him too? At
least I mean, at least maybe

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better. But just a really really
solid World title match. That didn't have

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a bunch of outside in affairs,
just kind of shows that you know,

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you don't always have to do the
chicanery to make somebody look good. I

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still thought AJ looked good. I
mean it came out where he basically missed

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the forearm and that led to the
finish, and AJ still comes out looking

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strong because it was a really strong
match, showcasing both their talents. Yeah,

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I felt like for a long time
that they were misusing AJ styles,

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like the last three years really,
I mean there's been very little things in

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note and I know he's had some
injuries, but I mean it's felt like

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three or four ever since, like
the Boneyard match in twenty twenty when he

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was paired up with Omas for a
while, and then kind of just period

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was injuries OC was back then they're
not. So Yeah, it was just

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I felt like misuse, mismanagement of
AJ styles. You were saying something doctor

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Trey, did you like the purple
and black gear? I did that was

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a nod to Nwat and I yeah, and it was to me. It

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was also not the Boneyard match with
the Undertaker, because that was always doing

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for the black and purple, So
you kind of go a couple different ways

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with it. I was like,
man, it looked really clean, and

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so the first thing my wife said
what she saw, She's like, man,

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that purple looks really good on a
jem. I'm like, yeah,

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it's the kickpads and the gloves,
which is literally the same purple that Undertaker

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had back in the day. Any
other news and notes from the paper pl

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e. Doctor Trey that I missed
that you'd like to bring up on the

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podcast. Is Jay Husso the new
Brian Daniel or the new Daniel Brian?

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Like the crowd was so into the
eat and the entrance and everything else,

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Like he's super over as a baby
face, Like they just ate that up.

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Yeah, And I'm sure knowing w
W they have a long term plan

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with him on where they want to
go. I mean, I would not

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be surprised if at some point if
Roman returns his babyface, the USOS realigned

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together and join Roman to take on
the new edition of the Bloodline. But

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yeah, I mean, it's getting
to the point where his popularity is super

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over. They did the right thing
by putting him in a champion match.

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I did not think that Damien pre
should be dropping the title to him,

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but it's getting there where it's like, Okay, we got to do something

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with him, And I mean,
do you put him in the Intercontinal Championship

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rain here. I think his involvement
in the King of the Ring tournament is

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going to be something to keep an
eye on here the next couple of weeks.

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Yeah, I agree. I was
looking. I'm looking at this.

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He's got a little bit of I
think I made this joke with a friend

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of mine there and asser. You
know, Cody Roads is the perfect babyface

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in a sense because he literally took
all the big babyfaces from the eighties and

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kind of combined him into one.
Like he's got a little bit of Hogan,

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he's got a little bit of flare
with the blonde hair, but he's

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had like the stings old school surfacing
style jackets as well. Jay Uso is

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kind of the same thing. He's
like, Okay, I I got a

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chance, I got the macho man
looking glasses like you kind of got a

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little bit of that eighties throveback vibe
as well. And then on the Triple

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Threat Batch, I was impressed how
much control they gave Tiffany Stratton in that

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match. That to me was telling
that, Hey, she's gonna be our

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one of our future stars in this
division, so we want her to look

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really really good in this and Bailey
wins with kind of a roll up.

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It wasn't Bailey getting a clean,
decisive victory, it was that roll up

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win on Naomi. So Tiffany doesn't
take the loss. Naomi got rolled up.

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So Bailey wins, and everybody came
out looking pretty good in that match,

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but I think Tiffany came out looking
the best out of the three of

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the girls in that match. Two
moments from the weekend that actually it felt

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like WI kind of misread how the
crowd would react involves both those people you

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just talked about, jay Uso and
Tiffany Stratt. I think w WI you

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thought that Tiffany Stratt was going to
get a similar reaction as she did in

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Australia, and it did not feel
like the French crowd was into Tiffy Time

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at all. And I almost as
I was watching SmackDown and then the pl

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on Saturday, I was thinking to
myself, like, maybe she's doing this

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too much, where now it's starting
to feel like it's forced the Tiffy Time

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because the fans were not relating to
it, and then they tried to recreate

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the Fireflies moment with jay Uso on
Monday's Ron Hartford. I mean they dimmed

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the lights and the Hartford crowd did
not do their job at all. Going

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back to like the US crowds being
bad, they I mean they literally the

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old shot previous to Backlash was you
could see the crowd and they would be

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moving their hands up and down with
jay Uso. They dim the lights in

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hopes that they would pick up on
what happened two days prior to Backlash with

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the phones, and they barely did
it at all. So I thought that

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was kind of funny. I don't
know if you picked up on that.

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I just think the Hertford crowd was
still where that cmpunk was trapped in Titan

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towers. Hey, you can't blame
him. I reached out to him.

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I reached out to him to see
if he wanted to hang out. It's

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not that far of a drive.
So there you go. Matt of the

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Night and event rating from W Backlash. I gave W Backlash a four point

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three out of five, and my
match of the night was the Bloodline versus

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Randy Orton, Kevin Owens, Doctor
Trey. I went three point nine and

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my match at night was Cody and
AJ. Wow, I'm surprised that there's

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a big difference there between the both
of us. I just the crowd was

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great, but really, like I
said, like I said earlier, like

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the matches themselves, I don't know
if anything jumped out, like the most

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memorable thing from the show is going
to be Tongalowe's debut, you know,

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and and the rebirth of this now
three person bloodline. But the AJ Cody

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match was a great match. The
bloodline, Orton Owens match was fantastic,

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but then the other stuff was like
it was good, but I just don't

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know if it's nothing's match at the
year quality on the show. So the

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crowd for me probably said it for
me at three point five interesting and interesting.

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I thought the matches were all very
solid outside the tag team match.

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Yeah, I mean, like I
said, they were solid matches. But

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I mean, if I'm off match, if I'm go off solid matches,

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I guess I can flip on a
w Yeah. I mean I don't think

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that that was a three point five
show without the crowd. I mean,

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I thought that was a solid wrestling
show, So it's surprising how much of

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a difference there. Gonna be honest, what did you have Dynasty at I

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had another four point zero? So
this show backlash overall. Now, now

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if you put this crowd up,
let's look at this, if you took

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the crowd out, is this show
a better show than Dynasty? Uh?

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In ring wise? Yeah? Probably
not? But to me, you know,

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I always will rate my shows.
The problem that I'm having with AW

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lately, it's funny that you bring
this up is and I said it last

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week. I just think it's it's
starting to get boring. There's there's not

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a lot of entertainment in the beginning
or the you know, in the middle

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of the matches. There's nothing storyline, creative segments, promos, vignettes in

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between the matches at AW that is
making me go, this is an entertaining

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show. It's it's something. It's
getting to the point where I feel like

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AW I could watch the matches on
YouTube and forget the rest of the show

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at this point, Yeah, all
the crowd, the crowd energy at adw's

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dip down, which is really hurting
the show a lot. But like for

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me, this one Like I said, I think match quality wise, Dynasty

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was better, but the crowd helped
it out. But I think I still

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enjoyed Dynasty slightly better than this one. Yeah yeah, I mean you had

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an other four point two, so
you know, for me again, I

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take a new account the crowd.
I think they play a huge role into

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it, the stuff in between the
matches, the creative that's going on in

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the matches. And I really liked
the stuff that came out of the Bloodline.

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I liked the behind the scenes stuff. I I liked it all encompassing.

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I thought it was like a really
solid wrestling show overall. That's how

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I typically great things. It's not
just like the N ring stuff. It's

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I'm getting point where at the end
of the night, it's like, was

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I entertained? And I was more
entertained with Backlash than I was Dynasty.

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I think if I look at it
from a raw to smack down to the

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pl I would probably bump it up
because that whole week was good leading into

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it, where if you do dynamite
rampage collision Dynasty, I actually probably would

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have dropped the grade a little bit
because everything I say was kind of crap.

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Right, That's kind of how I
feel right now, like I'm having

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to grade pay per view ples on
their own. But even though, but

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like if you watch SmackDown and it
went right into Backlash, that's it was

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five hours of damn good entertainment.
And if I would have bumped my score

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up a little bit more so,
that's I kind of I'm almost trying to

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grade it and take out the crap
around it and try to get fair grades

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just based on the show itself,
I guess. And how I'm kind of

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a phrasing thing right now. Yeah, no, I hear you. You

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know, it's funny that when we
talked about Dynasty, I was like,

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listen, Like if I was giving
anyone advice right now, I would tell

402
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:08.720
someone, don't you don't have to
watch Dynamite, Collision Rampage. If you

403
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:14.400
just watch the pay per views with
their airing Revolution and Dynasty the last couple

404
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.400
of months, you will be satisfied
as a wrestling fan. Getting there is

405
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:25.039
lacking and the follow up is lacking. You know, you kind of saw

406
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:29.839
a little bit of that with And
I hate to kind of complain about this

407
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.880
because I want these tied up.
Because I was thinking on last week's Dynamite,

408
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.160
like why didn't the Mogul Embassy come
to the aid of Swerve Strickland,

409
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.759
But then they did the angle where
they turned on him on Wednesdays Dynamite.

410
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:47.880
But the old school wrestling fan and
me would have liked to see and okay,

411
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:52.559
they didn't come out on last Wednesday's
Dynamite. Turns out they were like

412
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.319
locked in their locker room by the
Young Bucks or something like that. Then

413
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.200
there's a segment where Cage and the
Gates of Aggy are telling Swort of Strickling

414
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.119
like we'll have your back now next
time, and you kind of build up

415
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.039
to that moment rather than just completely
out of nowhere executed because we had not

416
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.960
seen Swerve of Strickling with a local
embassy in like eight weeks. Well,

417
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.279
yeah, I think a few weeks. I mentioned I'm like, so not

418
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.519
as a babyface where he's with Swerve, but he's a healed when he's with

419
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.200
the rest of the group. And
then you don't even see Nana in the

420
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:27.599
ring when they do this turn.
And I actually thought, sorry to interrupt

421
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.440
you, I thought that they did
a bad job on commentary not selling the

422
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.680
fact that Nana was selling his injuries
from the week before, like they should

423
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.559
have re showed that segment to refresh
everybody's memory, Like, wait, where's

424
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.160
Princeton? Nah? Yeah, because
I missed that. And so when I'm

425
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.640
watching what happens, I'm going,
now, this could be great television,

426
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.680
a sense of where does Nana's loyalties
lie into it, because dear God,

427
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.640
I really don't. I don't know
if I want to see Nana join the

428
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.880
patriarchy. No, no, as
with Christian kings. But you know I'm

429
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.559
watching this going for one, we
really haven't seen the mogleimascy on Dynamite all

430
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.920
that much the last six months.
They've been ring of honor, a little

431
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.720
bit of collision, a little bit
of rampage here and there, but we

432
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.599
really haven't seen it all that much. But now all of a sudden,

433
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.720
it's like, oh, I forgot
that, Like you almost forgot that Swerve

434
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:26.160
was in the group with them,
and they didn't do enough selling of it

435
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.599
to lead into it making a compelling
turn. And I'm like, but this

436
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.640
is I mean, if we're gonna
go down the dynamite ramp, the dynamite

437
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.319
route right now, like I can
still go back and bitch and complain about

438
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.400
the stuff with the Elite and FDR
and Brian Dangelsson and Eddie Haston as well.

439
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.200
So like the show itself, and
you're right, like getting to the

440
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:52.559
paytent views for one show is really
really hard and difficult and the other one

441
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.000
is seeless. And I think that
you're absolutely right. You can watch AW

442
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.559
pay per views on their own freestanding. You like, man, it's a

443
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.920
damn good show. But then if
you watch the other three stuff with the

444
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.720
other three shows leading into and you're
like, ah, just it's almost painful

445
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.640
at times. So whereas you do
the same thing with the RAW, You're

446
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.920
like, man, this Monday was
a good show. SmackDown Corral was super

447
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.720
hype. I was excited at adding
into Backlager based on the week of programming

448
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.720
leading into it. Yeah, yeah, I think you know. I've started

449
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.839
to like dread the WE shows,
like all encompassing, like the way that

450
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.319
the build has happened, the show
itself, the execution. You feel satisfied

451
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.839
as a wrestling fan, and you
feel satisfied as a wrestling fan watching the

452
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.200
AW show. But I feel like, just from an N ring standpoint,

453
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.240
it's the dynamite and rampage collisions that
you're like, it's almost like, get

454
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.640
a the point where they're insulting your
intelligence or they're executing. They're executing the

455
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.319
storyline not to the way that makes
the most sense I think overall, And

456
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.799
that's what you kind of saw play
out with Sort Strickland the mobile Embassy on

457
00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:01.759
Wednesday's Dynamite switching back to the Backlass
crowd. So we had w Backlash this

458
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.799
past Saturday in Leon, France.
We hyped up the crowd, talked about

459
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.599
how great the crowd was, the
international crowds overall. I mean, doctor

460
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:15.160
Trey, let's throw it out there, was that French backlash crowd one of

461
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:21.319
the greatest of all time? Yeah, I mean really, when you think

462
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.279
about it and you start analyzing,
you know, some of the top crowds

463
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.240
that you remember, like a lot
of them were like the Monday after Rock

464
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.759
crowds always really good, the fun
done going the Dolphin, sigular crowds,

465
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:37.000
things like that. And then this
crowd, I mean, I think I

466
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.000
put it slightly above last year's Puerto
Rico crowd and probably ahead of Clash at

467
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.880
the Castle. So a little bit
knee jerk because it's still fresh, but

468
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.559
man from the energy level, I
mean the energy level and a triple threat

469
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:55.799
match between Naomi Bailey and Tiffany was
as high as some other pay per view's

470
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:01.440
main events. Like they were into
it every single match and it never wavered

471
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:07.960
throughout the entire show. And even
the backstage segments you're hearing the crowd pop

472
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.200
for you know, solo in the
in the bloodline, walking past Jay or

473
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.519
whatever else is going on. They're
super into it. Like that's that's fantastic

474
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.720
energy to maintain for an entire pay
per view. So, I mean,

475
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:28.880
I still remember the crowd singing Fondango's
song leaving the building. The it was

476
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.039
that. It was after Reestumate of
twenty nine, uh in New York,

477
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.960
New Jersey. Yeah, so like
that one there, the night that Dolph

478
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.640
Ziggler cashed in his money in the
bank briefcase, that crowd was fantastic.

479
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:46.880
That's the same crowd Zigler did that
rate after the match with Alberto del Rio

480
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.799
Restume twenty nine. That was the
same crowd, doctor try. Yeah,

481
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.559
so that crowd is right up there. It's one of my top five crowds.

482
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.039
Uh. But this crowd is it's
it's hard to if you sit down

483
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.160
and map it out, it's probably
in the top ten at least, but

484
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.720
just off knee jerk memory top two
or three. For me, yeah,

485
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.400
I was thinking. I was like, this is one of the greatest crowds

486
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.719
of all time. I don't know
if it's the greatest. There's never been

487
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:14.920
like crowd rankings out there, but
yeah, I mean it's a very very

488
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.280
memorable crowd. I mean that crowd
from Wrestleman twenty nine that was very well

489
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.519
put by you because I think at
one point they started chanting, we are

490
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.960
awesome instead of this is awesome.
So the French Backlash crowd definitely goes down

491
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.320
in history is one of the best
crowds wrestling crowds we've seen in a long

492
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:36.519
time. Keeping with the Backlash show, Doctor Trey, We've been talking about

493
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.960
this for some time now, and
I think they basically cemented it again with

494
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.239
Backlash. For me as a viewer, they are taking the approach with these

495
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.960
pls similar to the way that they
used to build NX takeovers under Triple H's

496
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.880
reign, where you're seeing more quality
over quantity for their ple So this show

497
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.519
had only five matches and the show
was about three under three hours long,

498
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:07.039
and I found that to be very
refreshing, fun entertaining. I enjoy that

499
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.199
approach the most, as compared to
in a couple of weeks when we sit

500
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.920
down and watch double or Nothing,
that will be like a five and a

501
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.760
half to six hour show of just
like NonStop ten plus matches, and it's

502
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.519
like one match after another after another
after another, and there's no real break

503
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:30.000
of entertainment, whether it be a
backstage segment vignette or a creative storyline being

504
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.840
furthered. I think me as a
wrestling fan, what I've learned from watching

505
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:40.000
WE and NXC from years ago is
that I like this takeover quality over quantity

506
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.880
approach for PLS, and I think
it's the best approach for wrestling pay per

507
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:51.239
views PLS moving forward in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, we had

508
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.239
that debate even in Rocket City when
we started doing rocket When we first launched

509
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:59.480
Rocket City, we were running eight
or nine matches and people were kind of

510
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.400
burnt out. And then there's been
times we ran four matches, And the

511
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.800
thing is is that when you do
quality matches, you shorter less matches and

512
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.840
give them more time. You better
make sure you have the people in the

513
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.559
ring that can do a twenty minute
match and not you know, have it

514
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.960
fall apart and look awful. Because
there's been some times at NAC where we

515
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.320
watch some of the matches and you're
like, yeah, they just weren't ready

516
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.320
for that one, and you could
say it like leaven a lit bit with

517
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:30.719
backlaves like that Osca. You know, Bianca tag match probably wasn't the best

518
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.360
match they could have put on there. But what it does is it gives

519
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:39.440
people a chance to see how good
these these wrestlers and performers are. Plus

520
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.960
it also gives the rest of the
roster a breather, like you can,

521
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.920
you know, take a weekend off
that you don't have to travel to France

522
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.320
and stay home with your family and
recover and refresh to head into the next

523
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.440
batch of shows leading the next poe. There is also the argument like you're

524
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.840
comparing Backlash to double or Nothing,
which is when of you have these biggest

525
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:04.559
shows, and that I mean double
or nothing. They could do two nights

526
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.400
like WrestleMania because it's one of their
bigger shows. Now Dynasty, I think

527
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:13.440
we had ten ten matches at Dynasty. Could they have done seven and given

528
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.360
some more backstage stuff and make it
a little bit more of an entertaining show

529
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:22.480
since it's kind of one of their
B level pay per views. Probably so,

530
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.800
but like you know, Wrestle Meani
was fifteen matches, you know,

531
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.880
so there is a little bit of
like when which show it is, are

532
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.639
you going all out? Or if
it's a B level pay per view,

533
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.400
can you just make it look good
and have less matches? I mean,

534
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.920
I'm sure when we get to what's
the next paper for WB Like we got

535
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.280
back line King Queen of the Ring
in Saudi Arabia same weekend as double or

536
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.360
Nothing. Yeah, and then that
one, I mean, but that's kind

537
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.360
of like the relaunch of King Queen
of the Ring, so it's a Saudi

538
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.679
show. Also, then we have
the Saudi shows have been solid lately.

539
00:37:54.719 --> 00:38:00.559
We used to like chastise them because
it would be like this random Japanese sumo

540
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.360
wrestler was in there, and they
thought because the Saudi prince wanted yokazuna,

541
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.559
which is not possible. Yeah,
but I mean, and then after this

542
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:15.360
one, we had what Money of
the Bank in July? No Clash at

543
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.440
the Castle is in June, so
I mean Clash at the Castle. I

544
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.280
don't think Clash of the Castle will
be a ten match cardoba six. No,

545
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.880
I don't think that they're doing.
You go back and in like the

546
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.480
last couple of months, like from
fast Lane, Survivor Series, war Games

547
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:38.559
and forward, outside of WrestleMania,
they have not had more than like six

548
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.360
matches on a pl E man so, but yeah, I mean again,

549
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.800
you have the Rumble. In each
Rumble match, he's going to take an

550
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.239
hour. No, No, I
get that, but even well, I

551
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.320
mean, but you could say the
same thing for Survivor Series and Elimination Chamber.

552
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.000
I think this is one that we
saw where it was just matches and

553
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.760
no gimmicks that they ran with five
and we'll see what they're gonna do in

554
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.519
what two weeks time with King and
Queen of the Ring. Well and that

555
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.800
one, it's yeah, it's gonna
be a good I think we're just doing

556
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.440
the finals of each tournaments. And
then you know we got sammy' z aims

557
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.760
if any Heir coneal title. I
think there was another title of match now

558
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.920
is it I think he's doing?
Is he doing the Bronson Reid and and

559
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.679
Chad Gable match on Monday's Raw?
I thought I read that they were that

560
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:29.960
they had lined up a title defense
for him for the Saudi Show to check

561
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.960
that out. Yeah, I'm confused
right now when they're doing that, because

562
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.119
we saw last year he's beloved in
Saudi arabi You can't have Sammy not go

563
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.159
to Saudi Arabia based on his last
appearance. So yeah, it's gonna be

564
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:47.480
interesting because they're like especially if they've
changed, because remember for a long time,

565
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.679
they guys got their bonuses off appearances
at the pay per views, and

566
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.239
I think they've gone away from that, and it's just you know, everybody's

567
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.360
got a guaranteed contract or something like
that, so you don't have to appear.

568
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.840
But you know, do you not
put the raw tag team titles on

569
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.079
a pay per viewer? Like that'd
be two in a row that that one

570
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:12.119
hasn't shown up. You know,
US title has got to be you know,

571
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.239
Logan Paul's not gonna probably not gonna
be in Saudi Arabia, So you

572
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:16.360
got in the back down, like
you got to put some of the title

573
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.639
holders back on the card as well. So it's gonna be interesting how many

574
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.440
matches they have. And then do
you not have Damien and Cody there,

575
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:30.199
like you've got to kind of pick
and choose who you feature at times when

576
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.199
you do less matches, and then
if you're not featuring somebody for two or

577
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.880
three pay per views in a row, does that hurt the integrity of that

578
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.440
title they're holding. They do have
Logan Paul, Cody Road, samy'se A

579
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.039
and Becky Lynch, Shade Cargill and
Bianca bel Air on the promotional poster.

580
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.119
They do have four matches according to
Wikipedia right now. Obviously the two the

581
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.679
King and Queen of the Ring tournament
finals, Becky Lynchin Live Morgan's official for

582
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.440
King and Queen of the Ring as
is that samy'se A and Chad Gable Bronson

583
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.679
Reid match. So I think,
by the looks of it, you got

584
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.599
four matches right now that Wikipedia is
showing there could at least be two to

585
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.719
three more. I think they are
starting to tease a Cody Rhodes La Night

586
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.880
match. I could see Cody Roads
and Logan Paul on the card and obviously

587
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.559
maybe be Uncle bell Aarr and Jade
Cargoes since I'm on the promotional poster,

588
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:20.639
So this could reach seven Dot Trey, I think you know it depends.

589
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.480
I think it depends on like the
pay per view. I think, you

590
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.880
know, anything, if it's a
B level, like if it's a fast

591
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.920
Lane five or six is fine,
this one's five, or you know,

592
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.559
backlashes five or six is fine.
You know, you get some of the

593
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.400
bigger shows that are probably gonna draw
larger gates. You're gonna want to have

594
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.079
a couple more matches because A it's
also gonna be I mean that, you

595
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.559
know this backlash crowd was eleven thousand
people? How much merger? No?

596
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.760
No, no, they had more
than that. I thought it was like

597
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:49.360
eleven No, No, I thought
it was well because I know it was

598
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.119
the highest gate, and I thought
I read it was a little bit more.

599
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.360
Maybe you're right, maybe it's eleven
thousand is here? Eleven or eighteen?

600
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.599
I can't remember. But when you
get to like, you know,

601
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.960
summer Slams in Vegas, it's gonna
to be seventy sixty thousand people. No,

602
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:06.760
you're right, six d and twenty
eight. Yeah. So if you're

603
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.199
gonna run like Allegiance Stadium in summertime
with sixty thousand people, you're gonna want

604
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.360
as many people that show as possible
because that's all that merch you can sell

605
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.960
on top of it. So yeah, I think depends on the size of

606
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.079
the venue and the crowd and what
they're expecting is going to be contingent on

607
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.199
or the match. The number of
matches will be contingent upon the venue and

608
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.920
the hierarchy of the show, so
to speak, the pecking order of the

609
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.599
shows where I think Backlash last year
I think was like six matches as well,

610
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.159
six or seven. It wasn't that
many on that show. I guess

611
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.000
the approach that WWE's going with here
more importantly is they're trying to get a

612
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.599
decent amount under like three hours,
which I think is a sweet spot for

613
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:52.079
wrestling shows. Most AW shows go
main card under four hours with the pre

614
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.599
show where they've been adding like three
matches, it's a good five and a

615
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.559
half hours of wrestling, which is
which is tough. Oh yeah, you

616
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.119
and I we did that last year. We were like, okay, over

617
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.400
under five hours on this AW pay
per view, and a lot of times

618
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.559
end up being the over, you
know. And there's been times in WWE

619
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.320
where like the old school WrestleMania.
I hate saying old school because it's only

620
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.840
been a couple of years, but
we do one night at WrestleMania. It.

621
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.599
I know when WrestleMania New Orleans,
for me, like it was between

622
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.000
the pre shows everything else going on, it was eight eight and a half

623
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:28.599
hours of wrestling content that was like, it's just exhausting. So I know,

624
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.440
from the indie show's perspective, our
our goal is two and a half

625
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.320
hours. I remember coming out of
wrestl Mainia thirty five, it was like

626
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.440
sixteen matches and you and I sat
here were like, you got to do

627
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.559
two nights, and then COVID nineteen
happened and they ended up doing two nights.

628
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:43.920
Yeah, So but I know,
like I said, like the indie

629
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.000
shows, two and a half hours
is about the sweet spot for us because

630
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.679
the crowd still has energy within two
and a half hours. When you get

631
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.440
past three hours, you start seeing
those lulls in the crowd and they're just

632
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.159
like, I'm not going to cheer
for this match. I don't care about

633
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.400
this match. I just want to
get to blah blah blah match, because

634
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.679
that's the one I care. People
get exhausted. It can be exhausting to

635
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.800
watch the aw shows. I hate
to say it, but it's like Sunday

636
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.159
night at eight o'clock Eastern, and
I'm trying to watch the show, I'm

637
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.360
like, holy crap, I'm fall
asleep. So I do like the quantity

638
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.239
over the quality over quantity approach that
they're doing for PLS, and I would

639
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.639
love to see that happen all throughout
Wrestler now because I think the aw pay

640
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.760
per views, while they've been highly
rated by US as of late, that

641
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.719
could lend credence to making it a
better show a little bit more focused,

642
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.800
and they're not trying to like throw
in these matches that have less than three

643
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.239
days of match build to it,
which always drove me nuts. I'm like,

644
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.039
why bother showing this match? Like, use it for something else to

645
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:49.079
get people over. So lastly,
Doctor Trey, you mentioned it there in

646
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.599
your response. Resumting forty nine location
has been announced. It was heavily delayed.

647
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.280
The expectation was before Wrestumating forty that
it would be announced and it didn't

648
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.159
happen. Then the expectation was that
would happen during Rests Mania forty weekend,

649
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.519
and it did not. All we
had heard for months and months and months

650
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.079
was Minnesota. Up until recently.
I actually think The Undertaker spoiled it on

651
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:15.880
his podcast that Las Vegas started to
see a swing up and it's official.

652
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:22.280
It will be taking place in Las
Vegas during Easter weekend April nineteenth and twentieth.

653
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:28.119
That should not be a surprise since
the UFC is heavily into the Las

654
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:35.239
Vegas area with their UFC shows their
partner there in endeavor TKO group holdings during

655
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:40.119
Easter weekend is a while to move
by we because I know, for me

656
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:46.159
who celebrates Easter most Easter evenings,
we have a dinner at five or six

657
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.880
o'clock with family and some friends,
and that goes on until eight o'clock at

658
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.480
night. So I am gonna have
a tough time watching Night Too Live for

659
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.400
wrestum Aia so Resumet forty one goes
to Las Vegas. I think that's a

660
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.599
great location. I'm excited for that
because I think there's gonna be a lot

661
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.800
of cool things that are gonna be
in and around WrestleMania, and it's taken

662
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.719
place here in eastern weekend. Your
thoughts are the big news from the weekend,

663
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.000
Doctor Trey Well, location is fantastic
because you know, much like the

664
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.760
Super Bowl, WrestleMania is a destination
trip. And you know, I've joked

665
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.719
in the past like I remember the
WrestleMania at MetLife Stadium where I was driving

666
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:29.719
past, and I'm like, yeah, April in uh, WrestleMania in the

667
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.679
North can be kind of sketchy at
times. We saw a little bit of

668
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:38.360
that this year with Night one being
kind of cold. WrestleMania in April and

669
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:44.280
Minnesota at Target Field would be probably
be kind of chilly and cold, and

670
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.599
you run that risk. So doing
well that that is it's indoors. It's

671
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:53.440
indoors. What the travel like ling
on around it? Of course, it's

672
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:59.039
not always conducive to travel. And
it's also like just the average person,

673
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.159
would you rather go to Minneapolis,
Minnesota or Las Vegas? Oh, most

674
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.719
people are gonna pick Vegas. Most
people Minneapolis'm not I'm not crapping on Minnesota.

675
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.039
I love Minneapolis. It's a wonderful
city. But in April, I

676
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.800
think I'd rather go to Vegas.
So it makes sense. Now. The

677
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.840
Eastern thing is weird in a sense
of like we our family's always done in

678
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.960
Eastern lunch, like right after church, so you would go to church,

679
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.679
you would come home, have a
big lunch with the family because most kids

680
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.679
still to go back to school on
Monday, so we wouldn't stay out too

681
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.440
late. So I think it kind
of is regional when stuff like that comes

682
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.920
up. So I'll probably be able
to watch it because by the time we

683
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.960
get down to dinner and everybody goes
home, it's five o'clock and so we

684
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.599
have the rest of the evening free
to watch it. But I do understand

685
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.480
in other areas where they do,
you know, like you have a supper

686
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.599
or a dinner that can kind of
walk into it. Plus they typically try

687
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.320
not to do stuff on religious holidays. I mean, I know, for

688
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.840
they stop doing the Christmas shows because
people are complained about it, So it

689
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.079
is kind of weird that they've they've
gone this route with it. I will

690
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.480
say the Vegas thing that I did
see pictures of UFC doing a show inside

691
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:15.480
the Sphere in Vegas, like raw
would look really really cool that side the

692
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.440
sphere. I mean, you can
almost bring back to thunderdelt h maybe a

693
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.760
decent idea there. I like it. There was some discussion Doctor Trey of

694
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.280
Wrestlemantia and being moved to may really
may like the first weekend in May,

695
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.719
which I think was some of the
weekend discussions. There was like Easter weekend

696
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.679
and the first week of May weekend
in May that was being talked about.

697
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:37.639
It's funny, you know, you
point to Philadelphia the two nights, like

698
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.559
night one was like really cold and
they made a big deal about that on

699
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:46.880
the broadcast, and then night too, very Northeast weather was warm. I

700
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.159
think it was like in this high
sixties and it was, you know,

701
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.800
very nice and pleasant out there as
compared to the night before. I remember

702
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.800
being at Wrestumate at twenty nine outdoors
MetLife Stadium and being cold. It was

703
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.599
not enjoyable. I know that they
had heaters at rest May twenty nine for

704
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.039
the talent. I think they did
in Philadelphia as well above and then the

705
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:14.000
ring posts themselves were also throwing out
some heat. But yeah, I mean

706
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.599
I would be in a residency in
in May WrestleMania. I mean, everybody's

707
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.599
like, no, traditionally it's been
April. Well, I'm old enough to

708
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.400
know that RESTMANI used to take place
in mid March, So I mean,

709
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.360
is it really tradition anymore if it
moved from mid March to early April to

710
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.800
May. At this point, I
think that'd be intriguing. But then again,

711
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:37.280
there are times in the Northeast still
in May where it can be cold

712
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.960
in early May. We're not experiencing
that right now, thank god, but

713
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.840
I think tomorrow in the Northeast it's
supposed to be like high fifties, which

714
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.559
is typical for this region. So
there you go. Resume Maty forty one

715
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:55.480
in Las Vegas April nineteenth and twentieth. Obviously, more on that as it

716
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.880
gets closer, but the road to
Restu Maty forty one is now a FI

717
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:06.880
and it heads all to Las Vegas, Nevada. With that said, we're

718
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.960
going to close up shop here in
just a moment, but I want to

719
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:15.039
do a little bit of a teaser. Last week, following the recording of

720
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.639
last week's podcast, Doctor Trey and
I had a discussion about the future of

721
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:25.079
SRTU and we will address that all
on next week's edition of The Still Real

722
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:30.119
Do Show. I know this is
like a Tony Kahn major announcement, but

723
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.519
this is pretty big, folks.
We will be discussing the future of the

724
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.239
Still Real Does Show podcast all on
next week's edition of the show, and

725
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.599
of course, everything else is going
on the world Professional Wrestling. With that

726
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.000
said, let's get a couple of
plugs and sponsors are the way you can

727
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.079
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729
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and subscribe to help us climb the
charts on iTunes. You can follow us

730
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.480
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731
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.679
The Doctor Trey, and of course
don't forget to follow a show on at

732
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.400
SRTU podcast without being said, what
is going on the one for World of

733
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.960
dot Trey Franklin this week? Well, like Jeff said, you can follow

734
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.199
me on X at the Doctor Trey. You can find me on Facebook and

735
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.119
Instagram Doctor Trey Franklin. When you're
on Facebook, be sure to check out

736
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.840
Rocket City Championship Wrestling as we are
less than two weeks away from Wrestling Con

737
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:27.840
seven coming up May eighteen from Lovely
Hazel Green, Alabama, Action Mike Jackson,

738
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.559
Chase Owen, Sin Body, Chick
Donovan just Super Crazy. You know,

739
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.480
it's one of our big events that
we do every single year, So

740
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.159
really looking forward to the show,
so be able to check it out on

741
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:43.880
the Facebook page. Also, I
am going to ask a favor of the

742
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.440
SRTU U universe. I am going
to be incapacitated. This has nothing to

743
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:52.440
do with the announcement. This is
just my personal thing having surgery, going

744
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:58.079
to be incapacitated for a little bit. Any recommendations on shows that I have

745
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.159
missed out on because wrestling has up
my time, send it to the Twitter

746
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:06.239
feed or the xve whatever they call
it. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna be

747
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.960
on a couch for like two months, Jeff. Any things to watch that's

748
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:15.039
not wrestling related, so I don't
just completely go insane. Dot Sure are

749
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.480
you a fan of Star Wars?
I am a fan of Star Wars.

750
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.960
I actually my son last Saturday.
I actually had a friend come over and

751
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.519
they watched all nine episodes Wow,
of Star Wars in a row four May

752
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.320
to fourth. Isn't that like a
twenty four No? No, they're like

753
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.880
two hours each of those, so
that's like eighteen hours. He ran a

754
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:37.800
little bit over into May fifth,
so I just figured that's because he wanted

755
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.239
to celebrate Sincodmayo. Also, so
have you watched The Mandalorian? I have

756
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.639
watched. I watched season one of
The Mandalorian in parts of season two.

757
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.920
Okay, that's one I would recommend. I My wife and I enjoy the

758
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.239
Mandalorian show and Book of Boba Fat
as well. So there you go.

759
00:52:54.320 --> 00:53:00.440
Hit him up on Twitter at the
Doctor Trey and let him know some shows

760
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.079
that you should check out there as
Doctor Trey will be laid up and looking

761
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.719
for things to watch. And don't
say like we this is awesome on Peacock.

762
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.199
He just told you no wrestling shows, so it's a little bit more

763
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.440
outside of the wrestling fandom that we
know and love. You're on SRTU.

764
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:21.760
So once again, next week's show, big announcement, Huge announcement on the

765
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.519
future of the Still Real Does Show
podcast. Check that out all on next

766
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.079
week's show, download, rate,
review, and subscribe, spread the word

767
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:35.719
about the Still Rail Do Show and
until next week. For Doctor Trey Franklin,

768
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:37.920
I'm Jeff Pack. This is the
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