Nov. 2, 2023
WWE Crown Jewel Preview | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #716 – 11/2/23
On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:
- -- A former WWE Champion and first ballot Hall-of-Famer is defying the odds by reportedly returning soon!
- -- MJF is officially the longest reigning AEW World Champion in the company's history...but...
On this episode of The Still Real to Us Show:
- -- A former WWE Champion and first ballot Hall-of-Famer is defying the odds by reportedly returning soon!
- -- MJF is officially the longest reigning AEW World Champion in the company's history...but how has his reign gone?
- -- Who are 5 wrestlers we enjoy watching right now?
- -- And we preview & predict "WWE Crown Jewel!"
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It's still libited. Welcome everybody.
Welcome to this week's edition It's No Real
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doa Show Episode number seven and sixteen
for November second, twenty twenty three.
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Welcome to this week's edition of as
R to You. This year w WEE
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Crown Jewel Preview Predictions edition of s
R to You. I am one after
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the show, I am Jeff Peck
joined every single week my host, the
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one on the out tray Franklin doctor
trait. This month may be my favorite
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time of the year for wrestling,
my friend, No, you mean October
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or November? November second, November
second, Yes, yes, I'm still
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in the I'm in November. I'm
sure you're still in October. Now you're
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a big Halloween guy. Yeah,
big Halloween guy. There's still candy everywhere
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in my house. There's Larry still, the decorations are up. Yeah,
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it's hard to I mean, January
is pretty good, WrestleMania so April's pretty
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good. But you know, November
when you got Crown Jewels Survivors Series plus
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the AEW stuff, It's it's right
up there. I'll rank November higher than
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August, which is SummerSlam month typically. Yeah, I definitely think it's one
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of those months top months of professional
wrestling, like November, I could get
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down with January Royal Rumble season in
April when you're looking at WrestleMania season.
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I think those may be the three
top months in all professional wrestling. I
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think you hit the nail on the
head when you name the other two.
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So I would say November, January, April. Maybe it for like top
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months for wrestling fans. Like really, I mean August Summer Slam is usually
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pretty fun, but there's not a
lot of stuff going on on the other
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companies to kind of go up against
it. But well, now you've got
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all in all. I also think
what plays a role is like we're doing
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our own personal thing. Like if
you're going out with family doing the summer
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deal, it's typically in August,
I know, like in your neck of
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the woods, that's literally when school
starts. But yeah, this year was
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the second It was August eighth.
Wow, that's early. That is early
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from compared with when I went to
school here in the in the North,
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which is typically right after Labor Day. Yeah, but you're absolutely right when
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it comes to the moss. I
do think, like you know, once
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the cold season starts to hit and
you're just kind of stuck indoors, and
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you know, you're forced to watch
like Celebrity Jeopardy like I'm doing right now,
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which is making me cringe that I'm
not a celebrity. I could win
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this round. But yeah, like
November, like you're home with the family,
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there's not a whole lot to do. Like January, same thing,
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you're after Christmas. This is actually
the perfect time because you're not in Christmas
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season. In January, you're out
of Christmas season. And then April's just
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you're starting to branch out and get
warm to start doing things, but still
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kind of too cold to go the
beach. So yeah, I think it
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was probably the top three months.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean
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it's uh Doctor Treymer. Before getting
on, we were both saying how it's
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below thirty degrees where we live today
as we record the show, and over
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the weekend we both had highs in
the eighties, so literally in shorts and
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a T shirt over the weekend and
today car heart jacket and a winter hat.
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So which is normal for me in
this neck of the woods, but
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for Doctor Trade down South, not
so much. My friend, like,
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I don't think you own a car
Heart jacket like I do, right,
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I own one piece of car Heart
clothing. It's a T shirt I got
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from a job I worked at,
So yeah, it's not no T shirt.
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Now I do have the really great
knockoff version of the Seth Rollins leather
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jacket with the fur around it.
Okay, yeah, and then I have
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a leather jacket that has like the
built in hoodie to it. And those
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are like my heavy winter coats.
That's wow, heavy winter coats. I
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wish I could say that. So
yeah, here we are holiday season.
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I saw my first Christmas commercial over
the weekend as well. There are nine
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shows including this one, that we're
recording right now left in twenty twenty three
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for SRT, which is pretty wild
to think, you know. I mentioned
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it on last week's show. We'll
be getting closer to announcing the holiday season
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programming schedule as well. And it's
just insane to me how the older I
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get, how quicker and quicker the
years go by, And here we are
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again another year, nearly in the
books, twenty twenty three Survivor series right
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on the corner, a full gear. We got Crown Jewel this weekend.
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It's a fun time to be a
restling fan heading into the holidays, where
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typically we kind of check out for
a little bit, but AW has decided
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to put another pay per view on
the calendar for the end of the year.
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With that said, there could be
a very, very big return at
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Survivor Series this year. According to
Wrestling Observer newsletter, and this comes to
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us via Wrestling Inc. There's a
report out there that one former WE Champion
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first Ballot Hall of Famer Randy Orton
could be back in time for s Robersaries
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twenty twenty three, which will emanate
from the All State Arena in Rosemont,
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Illinois on November twenty three, suggesting
that he is not planning on retiring after
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all. Legend Killer is reportedly determined
to return to action and compete until he's
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fifty, despite doctors telling him to
never wrestle again. Orton has been sidelined
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with a back injury since May twenty
twenty two, with his last match being
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attag Team contest that saw him and
now former w superstar Matt Riddle taking on
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the USOS when they were known as
RK bro. This late latest update on
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Orton's return doesn't provide any details on
creative plans that might be in store for
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him. But signs are poorting that
Randy Ornt will be returning at the w
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w Sarversary twenty twenty three, Doctor
Trey, This has me happy, This
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has me thrilled. Randy Orton was
like in this renaissance age when he was
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last in the we and it wasn't
looking good there for a little bit that
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he may never wrestle again. Your
thoughts on the reports that Randy aren't maybe
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returning sooner rather than later. So
if he does return, I'm super sad,
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man, Like I mean when he
left, you know, almost a
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year and a half ago, you
and I were like, man, he's
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arguably the best worker in the business, Like we've seen him have met great
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matches with giants and bluishadors and just
everything across you know, all walks of
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the wrestling gambit and the consonant professional
and really redefined his legacy over the last
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you know, ten twelve years,
because when this show started, we were
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knocking him for constantly getting busted for
you know, violating the wellness program,
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and you know, the last eight
years he's been you know, the model
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of consistency and the older professionals.
So I'm glad if the reports are true,
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like he's back, because I can't
wait to see him. He's one
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of my favorite performers. I don't
know about you, but when you hear
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the reports that his doctors are advising
him to never wrestle again, but yet
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the WWE doctors are clearing him,
that is almost like a reversal of the
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past ten years where doctors have cleared
wrestlers but their doctors say no. So
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I don't know how quality the reports
are on what his doctors are saying.
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You know, if that makes sense
to you. I don't know if that
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makes sense or not, because I'm
like, does if his doctors saying,
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dude, we don't want you wrestling
again, and he's like, no,
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I want to wrestle. Usually WWE
errs on the side of caution and goes
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with what the doctors are saying and
not a whatever you want, Randy,
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come on back in. But if
he can get back in the ring,
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dude, I'll absolutely love. He's
arguably one of the top five performers of
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our generation. For whatever reason,
I'm obviously ending Shawn Michael's vibes here.
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HBK had the back injury ninety eight. He didn't return to professional wrestling until
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forty years later, so his last
match was Wrestmating ninety eight, which was
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Rerestmating fourteen. He returned from SummerSlam
two thousand and two against Triple Ag That
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was supposed to be a one time
deal and it was believed that he would
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never wrestle again. And he did
wrestling then for what another eight years afterwards,
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part time, mostly especially early on, he was doing a lot of
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the more of a full time schedule
towards the end halfway through more of part
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time schedule. Randy Orton is forty
three years old if he reportedly wants to
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wrestle until he's fifty, so he's
got seven more years left in the tank.
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For mathematicians out there, but yeah, I mean, I just get
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massive HBKA vibes. Because Shawn Michaels
was it appeared to be done. The
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farther we got away from Randy Orton
appearing on television in May twenty twenty two
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on episode of SmackDown, the more
it felt like he was not returning.
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So he nearly was out for two
years more eighteen months, which is wild
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to think We don't see that nowadays
unless somebody is done with their career and
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there was no retirement announcement. It's
reminiscent of like the Big Ee injury in
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a way, even though it's completely
two different areas where Biggie has not wrestled
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in over a year. I'm of
the mindset that Biggie probably never wrestles again.
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And there was a period of time
that I was under the mindset that
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Randy Orton never wrestles again, because
I think his father came out and an
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interview and said that doctors were saying
he should never wrestle again. Who knows
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if that's an old school guy working
us a little bit, Doctor Trey,
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but I think there's some smoke to
that fire, because for him to be
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out a good eighteen months and not
beyond we Television, not wrestling, not
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even mentioned, leads me to believe
that Orton was seriously injured and his in
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ring future was being seriously debated.
And I'm also the mindset that Randy's a
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very very smart guy and knows his
body. Like I mean, as much
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as we love Randon, Randy's been
banged up a lot over his career,
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you know, shoulders backs hips like
he's been banged up. I don't think
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he at this point, now forty
three, if he wants to go to
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fifty, I don't think he wants
to come back unless he feels one hundred
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percent on the return. And you
know he's got it. You mentioned he's
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a first ballot Hall of Famer,
he's got the credibility, you know,
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racked up that if he wants to
go to more of a part time schedule,
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you know, I mean, hell, the guy that runs the company's
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one of one of his good friends
as well, so I mean, you
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know he can go triple ah and
they obviously would work something out, But
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you don't want to come back unless
you're one hundred percent, especially with a
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back injury, because you know it
can sideline you for life. And he
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does have his kids aren't small,
but they're younger, and you want to
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make sure that you're around for all
that stuff. So I'm sure he's being
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very, very cautious. But once
again, you don't a guy like Randy
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Orton wants to go out on his
terms. And if you have the opportunity
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to kind of go out on your
terms, you're going to take it.
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You know, much like Shawn Michaels
did, a little bit like Ric Flair
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did his WW run. You don't
want to kind of go out like you
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know, Edge or Brian Daielsen did
in their initial w runs where you're just
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forced to retire, you know,
go out on your term. So I'm
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sure he's being cautious. But at
the same time, he doesn't want to
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go out with that last match being
the tag match and they lost the belts
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on. He wants to have that
little moment of the sun and maybe one
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more run at him, you know, before he goes into a full time,
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part time mode. What do you
think here, essentially, though,
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Doctor Trey does, does Randy Orton
have anything left to prove? Do you
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think it's a case of he still
loves professional wrestling. He doesn't want to
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go out like that, he I
mean, he has nothing left to prove.
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When I think of the history of
this podcast, it'll be fourteen years
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in February, just a couple months
way. You could argue that the number
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one wrestler. While I don't think
there's many times he's ever been given this
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award, Randy Wereton maybe one of
the top wrestlers we've ever covered in the
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history of this podcast longevity wise,
like could he have gone out the way
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that he has gone out until the
last time we saw him in May twenty
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twenty two and that would be okay? Or did he have to write this
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story a bit differently in and need
to return? Is there a need more
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than a want to return? So
like the Randy's I mean third generation,
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like this is in his blood,
like this is what he knows. I
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don't know, can you you can
confuse passion with need at times? Like
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I just I think he feels like
he needs to write the final chapter and
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not have it written for him,
and so it's it's probably you can probably
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look at it go it's actually a
want. But when you have passion and
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desire, that want does turn into
a need. It turns into that addiction.
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Like anybody who's been in the business, it is really really hard to
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walk away from it. Like there
is an adrenaline fact, there's an addiction
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factor, there's you know, mental
addiction to it, Like it's it's a
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crazy, crazy world to live in, Like I haven't worked a show myself
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in almost five months, and it
it I have, I have cravings for
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it. So When you have a
guy like Randy Orton who's been in the
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business since basically the day he stepped
out of the womb, I can't imagine
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how hard it is for him to
walk away without it being on his own
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terms. I mean, you look
at a guy like Ric Flair. Ric
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Flair's like still talking about having another
match, you know. I think that's
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all to these guys know is the
wrestling business. So it's hard to step
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away when you feel like you can
still have good quality matches. I mean,
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if Triple As does not had that
episode two years ago, he's still
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getting He'll still he'd still be getting
physically involved in the ring. So it's
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it's that desire, that achingness,
that longingness for the business that keeps bringing
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guys back. It's, uh,
it's an interesting one, right, Like
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if if this injury is so serious
that he's supposed to be retiring, it's
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his back. We all know that. If you, like, I've had
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a back injury, multiple back injuries. Dr. Trump, Sure you've had
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back injuries. Most human beings do. It's the most painful part of your
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body that you can injure. Uh. It controls everything. It's your central
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nervous system in a way because you
can't move, So it's it's like is
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it worth it? And I don't
know, Like the selfish wrestling phantom and
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me is like, yeah, come
on back, Randy, want to see
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you wrestle, and then the humane
mey is like, bh, does does
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he really need to do this?
It's it's an interesting conundrum. I guess
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w W. I think going back
to your initial point, Doctor Troy about
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W typically doesn't give the okay for
stuff like this. I would have to
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believe that maybe we're being worked a
little bit, that Orton's back injury wasn't
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career threatening ending and he is okay
to work. I don't know. I
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just kind of can't. I can't
figure this one out because again the rest
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of the phantom me wants to see
him back, but I just asked myself,
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like, is this a smart move? Dude's got young kids, Like
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I hate seeing my heroes look banged
up later in life, Like I love
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the Undertaker, but it's it's kind
of sad to see, you know,
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video of him down in Saudi Arabia
with vincick Man over the weekend, who
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he himself was not moving around great
and just came off of very serious back
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surgery walking so gingerly. Whether it
be the Undertaker, whether it be Mick
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Foley, I get it, this
is part of the gig. But sometimes
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you wonder if if the wrestlers are
are hurting themselves by wanting to continue to
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grab that addiction that is professional wrestling. Yeah, I mean it is a
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bit of a like to be in
wrestling, you have to have a little
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bit of a DNA defect because I
mean, in theory, you're going out
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there and basically prep falling and injuring
yourself for the entertainment of others. And
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even in comedy, think about like
the physical comedians like the John Belushi's,
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the Chris Farley's, all those guys
had that, you know, DNA defect
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and it was little, a little
bit. It was in those cases very
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much self harming. And we've seen
an in professional wrestling with these guys just
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get that addiction to them and they
go out there and do it until literally
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their body gives up on them.
And it is it's hard. I mean,
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even you know, seeing Takers,
seeing Vince, you know, seeing
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Mick Foley, sees these guys that
you and I grew up watching and seeing
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them struggling to kind of get around. It's painful, but you know it's
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nobody forces you to stay in wrestling
except yourself. So if Randy can come
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back, and Randy can work,
and he wants to work, and the
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doctors all cleared him, like,
go for your joy, chase your dreams,
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chase your happiness, all those things. And I do think I think
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the back injury was career threatening,
but maybe not Coranty. I mean,
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we see other guys come back from
back injuries like you mentioned Sean Michaels and
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have you know, a good career
afterwards, and it's just because they wrestle
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smarter, they learn to limit their
bumps, they learn to limit those things
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that could actually hurt them even more. And that's just something that Randy's don't
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have to work around as he goes
for I mean, you think about I
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mean rkos he's given, and that
RKO he's landing on his back when he
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gives it, So it's we may
see him have to modify that in order
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to lengthen his career and either change
finishers or go as something else that's not
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gonna be so impactful on his lower
back if he wants to wrestle in their
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seven years switching gears here. One
of the current Professions wrestlers who's twenty seven
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years of age who we can consider
to be probably smart when it comes from
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the injury standpoint is the current AW
World Champion Maxwell Jacob Friedman aka MJF.
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He made history on November the first
Doctor Trey as he officially set the new
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record for the longest AW World Championship
reign in the company's history at three hundred
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and forty seven days. He defeated
John Moxley at AW Full Gear twenty twenty
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two on November nineteenth, twenty twenty
two, thanks to the help of now
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CURRENTE executive William Regal MGF also coming
off of a great match on Collision with
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Kenny Omega, arguably one of the
best matches they ever put on free television
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in el Elite Wrestling. A little
bit of a headscratcher they put it on
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free TV with little to no build
up and no pay per view background and
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all that stuff, But hell,
I'll take it by watching it for on
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free television on Saturday night, watching
Collision Doctor Trey. With that said longest
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reigning AW World Champion. But how
do you think mgf's reign has gone so
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far as champ? Yeah, I
was thinking about that, and you look
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at what Moxley has two reigns.
You got the Omega reign, Jericho.
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I think Moxley is three. Grete
okay, so we got Maxis got three,
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So you got Moxy's got three,
Omega, Jericho, Hangman, Punk's
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got two, a MJF. So
I don't think I'm missing any of the
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world Champions so far in the four
year run of ADW, I put MJF
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as the second best run. I
still think Jericho had the best run the
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initial yeah, just because it kind
of solidified the title, and then he
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was constantly coming up with cool little
cats phrases and reinventions. And I was
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trying I said reinventions while I was
thinking of Ley Champion, and so reinventions
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came out sounding French when I said
it. But I think it's been a
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good I think it's been a good
run. But I don't know if the
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turn in the middle of this has
helped it or made it not as good,
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Like if he had been a straight
year long run of him just being
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an asshole, Like would that have
elevated a little bit more. But this
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last few months of him being nice
and shaking hands with Kenny Omega and things
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like that, I don't know if
that's helped it or hurt it. I
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mean, he's I don't know.
I think to me, I put it
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as the second best run, even
though it's been the longest one. I
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think the best aw World Championship reigns
were the first three. I thought Jericho,
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Moxley, Omega were the best runs, and it helped elevate the title.
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After Omega, it became a little
bit of a weird person a way
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because Hangman Page had it, which
I thought was rightfully due at that point,
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but his title reign got cut short
because they want to put the championship
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on CM Punk. CM Punk gets
injured, so then Moxley becomes interim champion.
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Moxley has a weird match with CM
Punk on Dynamite and becomes the champion,
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and then what was it like a
week or two later than they had
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the match at all Out which later
became brawl Out and Punk only had the
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championhip for a couple of days because
he was suspended and hurt, and then
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Moxley had the championship again, and
then Moxley going into MJF. We're at
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now whether or not the MJF rain
is been a good one is a big
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debate. So I feel like looking
at all the rains, the first three
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again Jericho, Moxley, Omega were
the best, and then after that the
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title got really really cursed, and
now with MJF, I think it's highly
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debatable of how this rain has gone. I am a huge MJF fan.
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I am a believer that they made
the right call in putting the championship on
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him. I'm all for that.
Yate of around MJF as champion at times
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has been really really good. I
like the stuff with Danielson, it's been
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really really bad and not entertaining.
I think you can make a case for
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that presently. And then it's been
really really good with Adam Cole stuff,
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and then Adam Cole gets hurt.
Like I can see right now that there's
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a really cool storyline developing where all
these people want a shot at the AW
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World Championship, which is rightfully so, it's the world title. They should
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be fighting for it, they should
be vying for this, But I don't
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know. I think overall, Like, if I had to letter grade the
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MJF World Championship reign, I think
I would give it like a C plus
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B minus Doctor Trey, Like,
is that fair? I think it's it
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was something that we were highly looking
forward to and it's been that as we
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thought it would be, like really
good, and then I think it's been
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underwhelming. And I think also the
babyface run has been confusing a little bit,
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which is sad. Yeah, because
it's he's got and we may get
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to this today, that may not, we may wait for this a little
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a long. But he's I mean
MJF has a lot of miz in him.
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Yeah, yeah, and I'm and
by that I mean amazing heel and
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a quality babyface like it's he's acceptable. But one of the great things about
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MJF and and Miss as a heel
is that smarminess, that quick wit it
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that you know, take the filter
off and just let it rip. And
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then when they put the baby face
on him, it's like they're capping what
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they can actually do. Jericho may
be the best of all time at playing
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that same character as a baby face
and a heel uh and and being able
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to get over on both sides of
it. But to turn MJF in the
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middle of this without a real reason. This is you know, for those
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longtime listeners, it's like me complaining
about el berteldel real turning heel or turning
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baby face about the spansion now stable. Uh, it just didn't make sense.
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It's kind of same thing here,
like especially when you go back to
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the Casino Royale when he won the
chip as the joker and you had the
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whole devil mask and everything else.
You're like, and you had the whole
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the firm built around him, and
then it never got used. Like if
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they had kept him as this you
know, mega heel champion with a big
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stable around him and just kind of
did like the old nWo adage of horseman
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edge, which is your baby face
of the month run up against the whole
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stable to try to get the champ, and that's how you build babyfaces.
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If they had done that, maybe
would have been better. But it's just
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like you said, the creative around
it has been wonky. For lack of
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a better term, it's just like
they it's it's we start this, we
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go down this rabbit and it's great
and it's bad, and it's great bad,
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Like I thought this stuff with him
and Joe, that little short Rivelry
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have with Smoke Joe is really good
because they tied it all back into stuff
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from you know, NXT when he
was an extra on there, like they
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some s has been really good.
But then like right now, the stuff
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with Jay White should be fantastic,
and we're sitting here going where are they
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going with this? Like I don't
know what they're doing, And I don't
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know if I should watch every week
or if I should just check in every
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so often and see where they're at, because I don't know if I want
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to invest in it all. So
the length of it, though, gives
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it a little bit like right,
I forgot how good the Omega run was.
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That was a really good run.
Boxley's first run is really good.
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So it's it's I would give it
maybe a B at best. I'd probably
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be at the be bias level for
this MGF run, but maybe a B
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if I look at the high end
work. I think creatively, it's been
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a snake bitten world title reign for
him because you know, you brought up
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the firm. So he returns it
all out twenty twenty two and he confronts
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CM Punk at the end of that
pay per view. I think a lot
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of people forget about that because of
what happened at the press conference. He
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returns to the pay per view,
has the firm, He confronts Punk at
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the end of it. Now he's
won an opportunity to have a World Championship
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match, and then that all goes
away because Punk gets suspended and injured,
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so that never gets followed through.
They tease a little bit for like the
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next six to eight weeks him being
a babyface and aligning with John Moxley turning
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on the Firm, and it was
like, we dug it. You go
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back to that period of time listening
to this podcast, We dug it because
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there wasn't a lot of change to
the MJF character and he was just leading
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more on the babyface side, and
it wasn't too much of a change.
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And I always felt like he should
be more of a Steve Austin turned than
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a wild like one eighty character.
I'm a good guy turn, but I'm
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still a swarming scumbag like they've done. Right now, he wins the Championship,
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has a good little stretch there,
good stuff with Brian Danielson does the
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four Pillars, which we were not
digging at the time because it felt a
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little bit force fed because at least
two of the four didn't belong in the
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match at the time, and they
ran with that for a little bit,
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and then they started turning to babyface
with Adam Cole, and that was really
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good and it was really well done, and then he got I love the
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comparison. He got very mislike with
the babyface turn where it was like,
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oh, now he's like kind of
corny and I'm not really digging this,
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and then Adam Cole gets injured.
Heading into the stuff of Bullet Club Gold
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has been kind of mild in a
way. It hasn't been great, it
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hasn't been bad. It's just kind
of in the middle and mile that I'm
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optimistic to see where it's going.
But his run has been snake bitten in
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a way, Doctor Trey, and
it's it's disappointing because I think we had
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very high expectations and high hopes and
maybe that's what did him in a little
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bit from a fans perspective, because
we still believe in him as a world
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champion. I think he can be
the face of a company. But I
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can't sit here and say that it's
that it's been the best. It's I
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guess when you look at the history
of the Championship, it's behind the Jericho
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Moxley Omega run as maybe like the
fourth best reign. But that's not really
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saying much because the stuff in the
middle there from Kenny Omega to MJF was
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not that great because injuries, brawl
out bs was going on that kind of
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diluted in snake bit in that title
worse than it has ever been. Yeah,
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And the crazy thing is you have
to think that the technically speaking MJF
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Adam Cole headlined the biggest pay per
view in wrestling history. Yeah, yeah,
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it's crazy. I think that this
is the fourth best run. But
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you know when you look at it, like you're like a lot of these
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matches like have been kind of thrown
in last minute, Like even with SMO
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Joe think kind of came out of
nowhere. You know, like it was
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good, and I liked it because
storyline wise they could tie it into something
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else, but you know it's just
like what was he like, why then
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the hell? And I know,
like you just said how great it was
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to see MJF and Kenny Omega on
Collision on Saturday Night. But even when
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Mark Henry, who works for the
company, comes out and says we should
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not have given that match away for
free, there's something to that, like
400
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you have a build up for something
that that was a match that fans of
401
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want to see and we didn't do
that. Like it's like, oh,
402
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.759
yeah, they you gave it like
a three hour build up like I think
403
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I think Tony Gonn announced it or
three day build up. They announced it
404
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.839
on Dynami et Ors like that,
or maybe like the day after. But
405
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.079
it's like, why would you not
say that for a bigger match, Like
406
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you're in telling me that MJF and
Jay White on paper would get you more
407
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.000
buys than MJF and Kenny Obega,
Like I think you're out of your mind.
408
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.279
And this whole thing with like who's
gonna partner up with to go against
409
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the Kallis family and he's going through
the acclaim that he's taking potshots at baby
410
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Faces that he doesn't want team with, but other people it's like, uh,
411
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maybe you know like there Smote Joe
stuff, Like I dig the whole
412
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like mystery aspect of it because that's
great storytelling. But you know, why
413
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wouldn't you save the like why wouldn't
you have MJF and Kiddie Obga and they
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have a run in from the Challis
family to now maybe tie MJFF into that
415
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storyline as well and give a little
bit more depth to everybody's out to get
416
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him, because that's when baby phases
really get over, is when they're up
417
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against the odds. And I don't
feel like at any point in this run
418
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have we felt like mjf's character was
in danger of really losing. I mean
419
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maybe the handicapped tag match and we
saw what a you know, kind of
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I don't say joke that turned into, but I mean it did come in
421
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.960
kind of farcicles in that match,
Like baby faces have to overcome obstacles and
422
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:51.640
MJF doesn't really have any obstacles right
now. This may come off pretty badly,
423
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.240
but I'll say it anyway because I
think it has diluted the Babyface run
424
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a little bit. But I like
that MGF has dealt with real life ts
425
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and tribulations, whether it be the
ADHD or the background as a Jewish American,
426
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especially during these times living in the
world and then I think there was
427
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another disorder he had where he wasn't
like some sort of acceptances sort of that
428
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.799
I ever heard from heard of before, And like, I love that he
429
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.000
has overcome these trials and tribulations and
it has helped build his character and to
430
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.480
the person he is today. And
they use as an opportunity to get him
431
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on a level with the fan base
as like this guy is. He can
432
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.559
be an asshole, but he's just
like you and I where he has overcome
433
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.079
demons, overcome things that have held
him back and here he is today.
434
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.319
The problem I have with that is
the entire time that they go down,
435
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.640
they always seem to go down this
route and it gets to a point where
436
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:01.920
like they may have overdone it creatively, Like I remember that he used that
437
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.519
in the Cmpunk feud and I loved
it. I thought it was a great
438
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.039
thing that they added into it,
and it made him over with the fans,
439
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.720
Like the fans are starting to cheer
for him instead of Cempunk, which
440
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.160
is wild to think of. And
there was those couple of weeks where actually
441
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.559
I was at the show at Dynamite
where he cut the promo about being bullied
442
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.759
in school and the fans were getting
behind him, and seem Punk came out
443
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.079
and to be like, is this
like all real? And then they left
444
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.880
and then I think maybe they followed
up a week or two later and had
445
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.240
MGF layout Punk from like a bloody
beat down in Jacksonville, and I thought
446
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.279
that was great. But it always
seems like whenever they need to get the
447
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.160
fans to care about him, they
go down that direction of the trials and
448
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.160
tribulations he's gone through. And I
feel like they've played that card one too
449
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.799
many times Doctor Trey, and I
feel like creatively it's kind of hampered the
450
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.759
character to a degree because it's like, oh man, another issue, Yeah,
451
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.079
MJF, Like why are we bringing
this up again? Like we've been
452
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.319
down this road. We get it, you've overcome these trials and tribulations.
453
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:14.680
We're with you. This is fantastic. But it's like, whenever they need
454
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.160
the fan support for him, they're
like, oh, look, you know,
455
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.920
but this is what happened in my
childhood. I think they go down
456
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.799
that direction too much, and I
think it's hurt him a little bit.
457
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.759
Did you watch Raw Monday Nights?
I did? Yeah, Okay, So
458
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I'm just gonna use this comparison,
what AW does with MJF to get him
459
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.160
over as a baby face is the
exact same thing WW is doing with Drew
460
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.319
McIntyre to get him over as a
heel. But I like what they're doing
461
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.200
with Drew McIntyre and I do too. But that's why, because after a
462
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.039
while you go, dude, I'm
so tired hearing you whine and bitch.
463
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.160
And in a sense, that's what
m JF does now. Like the fact,
464
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.559
like the first time you do it's
the Brett hard cry baby stuff.
465
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.640
Yes, exactly what it is,
and it comes off if you keep playing
466
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.960
that like you're cridaby, it's like
after a while, you're like, dude,
467
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.920
you're the champ. Like right now
at this point as a babyface World
468
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.000
champion, you look at every great
world babyface champion we've had over the last
469
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.679
thirty years, you know, from
Austin to Rock to you know, whoever
470
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.320
you want to lay out there,
John Cena's you know, even seen a
471
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.719
Superman run. What they do.
They always try to stack the deck against
472
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.960
him because it's all about overcoming physical
obstacles because babyfaces are typically not the smartest
473
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.400
guys in the room, were typically
the heart the soul that desire to drive
474
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.239
that type of thing, you know, So you have to overcome these obstacles,
475
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.760
and they're physical threats, not emotional
threats. You can tie in emotion
476
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.760
into a little bit, but you
still need to have the physicality involved.
477
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.760
As the word I just you look
at him as a babyface right now,
478
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.199
and when you're wrestling two guys and
you're basically you're five foot ten, two
479
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:59.960
hundred and thirty pounds and you're wrestling
at the righteous and you're basically kind of
480
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.039
just burying them in a tag match, just like that's not really overcoming an
481
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.199
obstacle. Like it's like, at
no point does he feel threatened. And
482
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:13.559
it's one of the things that kind
of made Hogan get booed is after why
483
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.880
and say with Sina was that after
a while, you're like, there's nothing
484
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.639
about this that makes me feel like
this guy's in danger losing the belt anytime
485
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.159
soon. So why do I care? You know, and you're whining about
486
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.920
your childhood and talking about your childhood
or however you want to present it.
487
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.280
After a why just go all right, just get over it, move on.
488
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.360
We've all had trials and tribulations in
our childhood and we just don't get
489
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.880
to be on TV, you know, every three months, reminding people how
490
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.239
rough our childhood he was. And
it's what is helping Drew McIntyre get over
491
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.960
as a heel, is what's kind
of making people lose a little bit interest
492
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.360
in MJF as a babyface. Yeah, it's interesting. I think there's a
493
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.519
part where fans are like, all
right, I can get behind this.
494
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.320
This is great. I have dealt
with trials and tribulations in my life,
495
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.039
and then when it keeps going and
going and going, you're like, okay,
496
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.000
dude, we get it. You
got to overcome this shit now.
497
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.239
Okay. So I don't know it's
the rain. I think Doctor Trey and
498
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.760
I both are kind of collectively landing
on if you're given in a letter grade,
499
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.280
I said C plus B minus,
Doctor said B B minus. I
500
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.320
think we're landing on a B minus
right now, which it's it's not the
501
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.719
best, but it's not the worst. But I think the expectations are really
502
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.119
high, and I think that's the
thing that's a little bit disappointing as we
503
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:29.760
reach the longest reigning aw World champion
in history, because I would be like,
504
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.599
yeah, give it to him or
Hangman Page as guys that have held
505
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:36.000
the title longest, make it a
great world title reign and you've built a
506
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.519
homegrown star. And I think AW
has had moments during this reign where they
507
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.119
certainly accomplished that, and then the
moments that during this reign where they haven't,
508
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.760
And I wish it was more of
an a and men expectations rather than
509
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.159
just kind of be mediocre. Some
really good moments, some bad moments,
510
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.000
And I think that's where we're at
right now with MGF is. It's nothing
511
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.039
to do with the n Rain stuff. It's like the creative it's just been.
512
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.320
At times it's like really really good
with the Adam Coole stuff, and
513
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.760
then it's like bad. And that's
I don't know. Stuff with the Bullet
514
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.559
Club Glold, which the group that
I love along with the wrestler and MJF
515
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.480
that I love. Really excited to
see him and Jay White. It's kind
516
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.599
of been a little bit heading into
full gear. Feel free to chime in
517
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at SRTU podcast on x or Facebook
dot com, Slash the Store Real to
518
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show. Speaking of Bullet Club Goal
Doctor Trey, I thought this was like
519
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.519
an interesting thing to you know,
briefly discuss we could literally make this its
520
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.760
own episode if we ever wanted to
put it in the can at some point,
521
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.880
but I was like, man,
what are five wrestlers right now or
522
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.320
groups? However you want to put
it? Five wrestlers, groups, tag
523
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.039
teams that we enjoy watching right now. I know I'm spreading this on you,
524
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.679
and there was no preparation beforehand,
but I always feel like, organically,
525
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.840
like picking out five things or wrestlers, groups, tag teams that you
526
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:02.239
like right now is pretty cool.
I'll start and I'll throw it over you,
527
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.239
doctor Trey. And ironically enough,
four out of the five come from
528
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:13.400
All Leat Wrestling, where creatively as
a company right now it's not in its
529
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.599
best spot. It's quite the rollercoaster
ride when it comes to Creative in AW.
530
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.159
So for me, the five wrestlers
I really enjoy watching right now from
531
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.119
All Eat Wrestling, Swarve Strickland,
Bullet Club Gold, Julia Hart, and
532
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:32.280
Timeless Tony Storm from NXT it's the
current NXC World Champion Eliah Dragonoff Swarve Strickland
533
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:39.960
is the biggest mistake that WWE has
let go to free agency and sign elsewhere
534
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.400
this entire time I mean, this
is a guy who was a lower mid
535
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:51.159
card, mid card wrestler, had
a great run in NXT, did some
536
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.920
great stuff with hit Row. They
let him go, figured that maybe he'd
537
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.440
flounder in the mid card, and
he kept climbing and climbing and climbing.
538
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.039
He's on some size. His character
continues to get better. His in ring
539
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.760
stuff is really good. Like I
think Swerb Strickland is a guy that could
540
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.599
be an AW World Champion next year
Bullet Club Gold. It reminds me of
541
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:19.039
Degeneration X twenty twenty five years later. They are very entertaining, very enjoyable
542
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.119
to watch on TV, and I
think it's the only a matter of time
543
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.639
before they become babyfaces. Julia Hart
is one of the most improved wrestlers I
544
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.239
have seen in the ring. Her
matches heading into the last pay per view
545
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:37.519
of wrestled Dream, where she took
on Chris Statlander like she really improved,
546
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.559
and I think she is someone you
keep an eye on heading in twenty twenty
547
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.000
four as well. Timeless Tony Storm
may be getting the most screen time of
548
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.360
any AW character right now. Her
character is very original. It is a
549
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.840
complete one to eighty from the person
she was previously, and watching that slow
550
00:39:53.880 --> 00:40:00.039
progression from the outcast Tony Storm to
timeless Tony Storm has been really, really
551
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.599
fun, and she's a highly entertained
character. It seems to be they're going
552
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.760
down a heel direction now, which
is kind of surprising because I think she's
553
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.159
very over right now in professional wrestling
in general. And then lastly, Elia
554
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:19.480
Dragonoff always knew he was a star
watching him as NXC UK champion and then
555
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.239
come over to NXT here in the
US, and it took some time to
556
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.360
build and build and build, and
his build was the right way to do
557
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.360
it. There were some failures going
for the World Championship, and then he
558
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:35.880
finally overcame the mountain and now he
looks like a legit prime time player for
559
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.480
NXT. Like I think we all
thought bron Breaker was the guy, and
560
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.880
that's because it was kind of be
enforced. This has organically happened, and
561
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.079
he's been very enjoyable to watch that
h bomb finished her. He has looks
562
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.519
legitimately like it hurts getting that jumping
forearm to the face. So those are
563
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.800
the five wrestlers that I enjoy watching
right now. Doctor Terry Swerve, Strickland,
564
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.840
Bullet Club Gold, Ili dragging off
Julie Hart and Timeles Tony Store say,
565
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.519
yeah, I'm gonna try to I
you nailed the couple of mine,
566
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.960
like Julia Harg remind me of Lexa
Bliss, Like I just like in the
567
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.960
progression of Lexa Bliss as well,
so I really enjoy her. The timeless,
568
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.440
tunny stormy thing is great. It's
a weird comparison, but I compare
569
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.440
this character to when Chelsea Green was
doing the Angry Bride, the Crazy Bride
570
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:25.760
character and impact, Like it's just
so original and different that it's captivating,
571
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.800
Like you just have to watch and
see what's gonna happen next with it swerves
572
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.320
on a whole different level right now. Uh you mentioned Bullet Club Gold.
573
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.840
Those guys are It's funny you mentioned
this because I literally, as I was
574
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.400
watching Raw this week, I win. You know somebody I can't get enough
575
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:44.360
of right now is lutherang Kaiser.
Like I just love his speech pattern,
576
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:51.039
his mannerisms and the ring like he
reminds me of a very and I got
577
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:52.599
it. I can't believe I'm comparing
this to somebody we already compared to.
578
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.320
He just reminds me of a very
young miss in the sense of you just
579
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.039
want to punch together. He's so
cocky, it's so arrogant, you just
580
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:07.079
really just want to smack the hell
out of them. I love the Bronson
581
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.599
red character right now as well.
I think that's he's really enjoyable to watch.
582
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.519
This new thing with Shinske also has
me really intrigued. And I know
583
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.559
he's not new, but I like
the redevelopment of the character, uh and
584
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.280
where they're going with this. So
those are three more to add to the
585
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:28.920
list. And by the way,
I I I mentioned her segoning with with
586
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.559
the crazy breat Chelsea Green is just
so much fun to watch, whether she's
587
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:37.039
getting her face smashed in or coming
out dresses. Brett Hart with Piper Niven
588
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.039
as Jim v Anvil like like,
they always make me smile and laugh.
589
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.719
So those are a few of mine
right now. Like the Kais are one
590
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.440
though I don't know if you see
that as well, but it's just he
591
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.559
just is like that little promo segment
the miss even though Miss kind of gets
592
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.280
always seems to win promo battles,
but it's just he's so good. Then
593
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.320
watching him in the ring with Dyn
Oris and stuff like that. You're like,
594
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.119
man, I just which makes me
want to watch him. Yeah,
595
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.039
I like the Ludwig Kaiser call.
I think WWE sees him as someone that
596
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.079
can be a big player for them
as well, based on some vignettes they
597
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.199
ran over the last couple of weeks
on Raw. He is getting more shine
598
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than Giovanni Vinci, who is an
extremely talented wrestler. I actually don't want
599
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.960
to see Louwig Kaiser and Giovanni Vinci
break up at all right now, because
600
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.000
then that would be weird for Imperium. But Kaiser is there. I think
601
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:36.039
Cordy Graves said that Kaiser reminds him
of like some sort of eighties early nineties
602
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movie villain, and I thought that
was spot on. I can see Kaiser's
603
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starring in a Diehard remake, yes, yes, or like the the like
604
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in Rocky Towo or something. Right. But and then you're right about Vinci
605
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as well, Like I, Fabian
Eichner and I are actually friends on Facebook
606
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and he's one of my favorite people
to watch on Facebook. And he may
607
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be one of the most impressive athletes
I've ever seen. Some Shelton Benjamin debut,
608
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like he can do everything in the
ring. It's just that he's a
609
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little undersized, so it makes it. But for a guy who's I think,
610
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I mean he I mean he's shorter
than Kaiser and Kaiser's five ten or
611
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five eleven so, but athletically,
I mean, the guy was the cruiserweight
612
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classic mm hm. And then now
you're seeing him do that that press slam
613
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into a side slam type. Like
some of the stuff he does is just
614
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like physically impressive, but he just
needs to be a little bit better on
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the mic, and I think that's
where they're playing off of. But yeah,
616
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I'm with you. I don't want
to see them break up because I
617
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think they're, you know, one
of those I mean, they're a little
618
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.440
bit of totally Blanchard and Harney Anderson
and the way they wrestle in the ring,
619
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in their style, So I don't
want to see him break up.
620
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But like, no, Kaiser is
fantastic. He's he's like I didn't even
621
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realize how much I enjoyed him until
that segment on Raw with him and Miz
622
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and Goo Thir and everything else.
Yeah, I mean they're they're so hated
623
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that they're on the verge of turning
miss baby Face again. So there's some
624
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rumors out there that he's reportedly going
to be paired up with Di Y and
625
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.920
I could totally see it, And
that's kind of crazy to think because of
626
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.760
stuff that we talked about about fifteen
twenty minutes ago in the comparison to S
627
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.800
to MJF so I for that was
a pretty fun topic to do. Who
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the five wrestlers we enjoy watching right
now? Five wrestlers, tag team stables,
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what have you? So? Feel
free to chime in on x at
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SRTU podcast. With that said,
let's close up this week's edition of the
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podcast by preview predicting w WEE Crown
Jewel. It comes to us this Saturday
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for Muhammad Abdu Arena and Riad Saudi
Arabia. It'll be on one pm on
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the East coast here. Actually,
the pre show starts at twelve noon with
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a match which will preview predicting your
momentarily, So it'll be a Saturday afternoon
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affair for those if they would like
to tune in and watch w WEE Crown
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Jewel. Do you think you'll watch
it live? Doctor Trey at one o'clock.
637
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I will try because I'll actually be
at work for like the last Like
638
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if it starts at twelve for the
for the pre show match, I can
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00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.199
probably tune in and watch it because
I'll be working at a lows try to
640
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.719
sling some gutters at lows. But
I'm not being upalled my phone. But
641
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.639
I don't really have like wife has
to work for a lot, so it's
642
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.960
the perfect time for me to watch
wrestling and not bother anybody in my family.
643
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.639
Yeah, yeah, this, I
think it's like I don't think there
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is a December pay per view,
so we have Survivors series coming up,
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so just think I'm so the next
two out of the next four pay per
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views so Crown Jewel, Surviviorceries,
Royal Rumble, and Elimination Chamber. If
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I have this right, well,
at least two of the four will take
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place like in the morning or early
afternoon here in the United States. I
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think the Elimination Chamber show will like
actually start very early on the East Coast.
650
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.719
So it's, uh, there's gonna
be some breakfast in wrestling at least
651
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over the next four months when it
comes to do a for wrestling. Yeah,
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I'm I'm with it. I'm down
with it. Let's do. Let's
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do that, because sometimes those night
shows, I as dog Try and I
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get older, just start nodding off
for no freaking reason. Show match Samy's
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Ain taking on JD McDonough. I
dig that they're giving these two guys an
656
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opportunity to perform on the pre show. I wish Sammy was getting more of
657
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a bigger highlight, but I'm happy
for JD McDonough's growth as well. With
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that set. I'm gonna be taking
Sammy's ay and this one doctor Try.
659
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:16.880
Yeah, I'm taking Sammy as well, but I fully expect them to give
660
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him fifteen to twenty mins in this
match. So, I mean we saw
661
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it all raw. They're giving McDonough
time in the ring to show what he
662
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can do. And even though I
guess in the sense he got squashed by
663
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I mean he got beat by seven, I'm beat pretty good by seth Rollins.
664
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I mean there was some chicanery involved
to get to it. So they're
665
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showing you the capabilities of what the
gunne can do in the ring, and
666
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you pair them with they guy like
Sammy's Ain, and I fully this is
667
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the pre show match might steal the
show. So if they give him twenty
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minutes, it's gonna be out of
a match, so both taking samy'se ain.
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Subtle funny moment with Jade McDonough.
There was a backstage vignette with the
670
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judgment day. He was back there, they were done doing whatever their plan
671
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.239
was. He put his hand in
like as like, everybody put your hands
672
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in on three and Finn went to
go do it as well. But Finn
673
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uh ectually Rhea like push it away
and like looked at him being like,
674
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what the hell are you doing?
Very subtle, funny moment, which is
675
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strange because Jad McDonald's character up until
this point was like a creepy, weird
676
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individual. So go out there and
check it out if you haven't seen yet.
677
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.639
It was very subtle and very funny. Next match year, Cody Roads
678
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:17.679
take it on Damian Price. It
should be fun one, Doctor Trey,
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who do you like in this one? Yeah? This one's interesting to me.
680
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.519
I wonder if we do a little
bit of the seth rawlins wrestle manthing
681
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where the money in the bank guy
loses early in the show but comes back
682
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.559
and wins in the main event.
Perhaps I'm gonna take Cody like we talked
683
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:37.000
about babyface that have overcome obstacles.
Cody's gotta beat a guy who's much taller
684
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.320
with a bum ankle. It's a
way for Cody guy and get little more
685
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.280
sympathy, get even over, you
get even more over with the fans.
686
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.679
So I'm gonna take Cody get the
win. I like you Doctor Tream taking
687
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Cody Rhodes as well. I would
love to have seen a stipulation with the
688
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.760
money bank briefcase maybe being on the
line, but they didn't do that,
689
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.639
and that tells me because Cody's gonna
get the victory, which continues to rise
690
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.239
the star on Damian Priesce. Sometimes
losses are good as well well, so
691
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.360
it's amazing that Damien's getting these opportunities. Next matchers, John Scene to take
692
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it on Solo Soca. Quite honestly, I went back and forth even leading
693
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up to this show of who I
was gonna take. They're really honing in
694
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.199
that Johnsen has not won a singles
match in four years. I'm going to
695
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.599
go with John Cena. I literally
went in the show thinking I was gonna
696
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.559
pick Solo Soca, but I think
Jimmy Usso somehow gets involved and costs the
697
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.639
match for solo, So I'm gonna
take John Scene again the victory in this
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one. Doctor Trey, Yeah,
I'm with you. I'm all in the
699
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.400
four years now with any singles match, and then Roman Reigns being on Jimmy's
700
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:37.440
ass about running the wrong plays and
things like that. I think that leads
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to Scenea getting the wins. So
I will take Scene getting the victory also
702
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.079
because of Sina wins. Hey,
that's great. And plus these these Crown
703
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.400
Jewel shows a lot of times are
kind of wrestling mains where that we get
704
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.840
a lot of baby face wins as
well. That is true. Next matcher
705
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is EO Sky defending the w Women's
World Championship against Bianca Belair. Doctor Trey,
706
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.800
who do you like in this one? I'm gonna take Eo sneaking out
707
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.280
the victory, like where she just
keeps somehow you're winning, but maybe against
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00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.000
superior opposition, whether it's Charlotte,
whether it's Oscar, whether it's Bianca.
709
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.719
But Eokey's retaining with the help of
the Bailey's and the Dakotas and things like
710
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.159
that. So I'll take Eosky retaining. I like you Doctor Tramp taking Eo
711
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Sky, I think Ultimately they're going
to run with Bailey taking on Eosky at
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some point. I want to be
surprised if Damage Control and some other people
713
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are involved in maybe the Women's War
Games match at at Survivors Series in a
714
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.039
couple of weeks. Next match is
Ray Masteria defend the United States Championship against
715
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the Logan Paul. I think if
you told me or asked me this two
716
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.119
three years ago, who do I
think that I? Who do I think
717
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:43.440
would win this match? I would
take Raymisterio nine point nine times out of
718
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ten. That has since changed.
I'm going to be taking Logan Paul.
719
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.280
I think they want to put the
championship on him heading into WrestleMania season,
720
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get some extra publicity, some promotion
as well. I think Logan Paul has
721
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.840
a decent run here as a United
States Champion, and as we've as we
722
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:05.320
know, WW does not really mind
if the title is not being promoted rather
723
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.199
than being on television because the World
Champion has only wrestled like four times this
724
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:15.599
year. So I'm taking Logan Paul
Doctor Try. Yeah, I'm picking Logan
725
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Paul as well, but I'm gonna
be really interesting how long this run is.
726
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:20.920
I know, like you mentioned,
they want to maybe have a long
727
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.360
run get in the wrestle media season, but I can see it being kind
728
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.719
of a short term one with a
run. That's just my thoughts on it.
729
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.199
That's not a report. Yeah,
no, I mean what you're thinking
730
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.000
makes sense. My thing is also, though, if you put the belt
731
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.079
on Logan he has to leave,
then your two singles titles on SmackDown aren't
732
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:42.800
going to be on the show that
much. I'll take Logan getting the way
733
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for the publicity, but I don't
think you'll have the belt past Rumble,
734
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.079
all right, so both let's taking
Logan Paul there. Next match is Rhea
735
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.679
Ripley defending the Women's World Championship in
a fatal five way match against Nia Jack,
736
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.760
Shannon Besler, Zoe Stark, and
Raquel Rodriguez Doctor Trey. Who do
737
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.000
you like in this one? I
don't like. Ria is now my brouckles.
738
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.119
I don't know how you pick against
Ria right now. I just I
739
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.639
mean, she's on a different level. She's arguably the Roman reigns of women's
740
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wrestling right now. So I as
much as I was talking about baby Face
741
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to getting the wins in Crown,
you know, in Saudi Arabia and Ria's
742
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.960
a borderline babyface. So I'll take
Ria getting the win. I like you.
743
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.280
I'm taking Rie Ripley as well.
Next match here, this is a
744
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.559
tough one to call for the World
of Ayweight Championship Seth Freaking Rollins defense against
745
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.199
Drew McIntyre. Similar to the John
c and Asilisa CooA match. Dot Trey
746
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.000
went back and forth on this one
as well. I could see a scenario
747
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.000
where Drew McIntyre wins and turns heel
in the process, and I can also
748
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:44.920
see scenario with Seth Freakin Rollins wins
and Drew McIntyre turns here on the process.
749
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.199
Nonetheless, I think the end result
is Drew McIntyre turn and heel.
750
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.480
But I'm gonna take Seth Freaking Rollalinds
retaining, So I have SFR retaining dow
751
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.440
to Trey. Now, does that
mean you have Drew joining Judgment Day or
752
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Drew just going heel on his own. I just think he joins as I
753
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.360
don't think he joins Joe Day.
I think he just goes heel on his
754
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.800
own. I would like to see
like Jesuit Day go continental where you have
755
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.199
like the three people from the United
Kingdom do their own thing, and then
756
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.679
Damian, Dominic and Rea do their
own thing to a degree. But uh,
757
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.840
similar to what Nexus broke up and
you got the core out of Nexus,
758
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.400
but like, I'm taking Seth to
get the win and basically back entire
759
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.840
snapping post match and just beating down
Seth and you do the full fledged heels
760
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turn afterwards. And then finally the
main event for the undisputed w A Universal
761
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:36.199
Championship, Roman Reigns defense against l
A. Knight. Yeah, Doctor Trey,
762
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.039
who do you like in this one? This has been tricky for me
763
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.800
because I could see them pulling the
trigger on this La Night thing. But
764
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.599
it's maybe it's kind of like Cody, like the baby face needs more obstacles
765
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.400
to overcome, and we start at
WrestleMania. So I'm gonna take Roman retaining
766
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.079
to kind of like La Knight.
It's got to chase it again and build
767
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:59.119
up a little more obstacles from overcome
before he gets to full fledged victory.
768
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:04.679
So I'll take Roman retaining Crown Jewel. I like him taking Roman reigns as
769
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well. And for those following at
home, that means Doctor Trey and I
770
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:13.559
both had predictions the same for every
single match. There you go, folks
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w Crowndewel, which we will recap
and review on next week's edition of SRTU.
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Enjoy the show this Saturday afternoon,
the Saturday morning, the Saturday night,
773
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whenever you decide to watch it.
Would that say let's get a couple
774
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of plugs and sponsors out of the
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Well, like Jeff said, you
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on Team Next of Kin, and
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787
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has their big show with a bunch
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to being involved in both those shows
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the podcast, number the ninth,
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get you ready for Full Gear Survivor
Series, and recap everything going on
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in the world professional wrestling all on
next week's edition of SRTU. So until
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next week for Doctor Trey Franklin,
I'm Jeff Pack. Thank you for downloading
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this week's disch of the podcast.
This has been the Still Realta Show.
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It's still libited. Welcome everybody.
Welcome to this week's edition It's No Real
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doa Show Episode number seven and sixteen
for November second, twenty twenty three.
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Welcome to this week's edition of as
R to You. This year w WEE
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Crown Jewel Preview Predictions edition of s
R to You. I am one after
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the show, I am Jeff Peck
joined every single week my host, the
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one on the out tray Franklin doctor
trait. This month may be my favorite
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time of the year for wrestling,
my friend, No, you mean October
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or November? November second, November
second, Yes, yes, I'm still
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in the I'm in November. I'm
sure you're still in October. Now you're
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a big Halloween guy. Yeah,
big Halloween guy. There's still candy everywhere
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in my house. There's Larry still, the decorations are up. Yeah,
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it's hard to I mean, January
is pretty good, WrestleMania so April's pretty
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good. But you know, November
when you got Crown Jewels Survivors Series plus
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the AEW stuff, It's it's right
up there. I'll rank November higher than
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August, which is SummerSlam month typically. Yeah, I definitely think it's one
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of those months top months of professional
wrestling, like November, I could get
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down with January Royal Rumble season in
April when you're looking at WrestleMania season.
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I think those may be the three
top months in all professional wrestling. I
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think you hit the nail on the
head when you name the other two.
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So I would say November, January, April. Maybe it for like top
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months for wrestling fans. Like really, I mean August Summer Slam is usually
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pretty fun, but there's not a
lot of stuff going on on the other
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companies to kind of go up against
it. But well, now you've got
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all in all. I also think
what plays a role is like we're doing
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our own personal thing. Like if
you're going out with family doing the summer
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deal, it's typically in August,
I know, like in your neck of
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the woods, that's literally when school
starts. But yeah, this year was
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the second It was August eighth.
Wow, that's early. That is early
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from compared with when I went to
school here in the in the North,
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which is typically right after Labor Day. Yeah, but you're absolutely right when
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it comes to the moss. I
do think, like you know, once
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the cold season starts to hit and
you're just kind of stuck indoors, and
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you know, you're forced to watch
like Celebrity Jeopardy like I'm doing right now,
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which is making me cringe that I'm
not a celebrity. I could win
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this round. But yeah, like
November, like you're home with the family,
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there's not a whole lot to do. Like January, same thing,
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you're after Christmas. This is actually
the perfect time because you're not in Christmas
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season. In January, you're out
of Christmas season. And then April's just
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you're starting to branch out and get
warm to start doing things, but still
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kind of too cold to go the
beach. So yeah, I think it
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was probably the top three months.
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it's uh Doctor Treymer. Before getting
on, we were both saying how it's
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below thirty degrees where we live today
as we record the show, and over
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the weekend we both had highs in
the eighties, so literally in shorts and
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a T shirt over the weekend and
today car heart jacket and a winter hat.
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So which is normal for me in
this neck of the woods, but
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for Doctor Trade down South, not
so much. My friend, like,
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I don't think you own a car
Heart jacket like I do, right,
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I own one piece of car Heart
clothing. It's a T shirt I got
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from a job I worked at,
So yeah, it's not no T shirt.
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Now I do have the really great
knockoff version of the Seth Rollins leather
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jacket with the fur around it.
Okay, yeah, and then I have
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a leather jacket that has like the
built in hoodie to it. And those
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are like my heavy winter coats.
That's wow, heavy winter coats. I
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wish I could say that. So
yeah, here we are holiday season.
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I saw my first Christmas commercial over
the weekend as well. There are nine
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shows including this one, that we're
recording right now left in twenty twenty three
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for SRT, which is pretty wild
to think, you know. I mentioned
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it on last week's show. We'll
be getting closer to announcing the holiday season
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programming schedule as well. And it's
just insane to me how the older I
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get, how quicker and quicker the
years go by, And here we are
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again another year, nearly in the
books, twenty twenty three Survivor series right
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on the corner, a full gear. We got Crown Jewel this weekend.
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It's a fun time to be a
restling fan heading into the holidays, where
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typically we kind of check out for
a little bit, but AW has decided
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to put another pay per view on
the calendar for the end of the year.
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With that said, there could be
a very, very big return at
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Survivor Series this year. According to
Wrestling Observer newsletter, and this comes to
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us via Wrestling Inc. There's a
report out there that one former WE Champion
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first Ballot Hall of Famer Randy Orton
could be back in time for s Robersaries
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twenty twenty three, which will emanate
from the All State Arena in Rosemont,
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Illinois on November twenty three, suggesting
that he is not planning on retiring after
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all. Legend Killer is reportedly determined
to return to action and compete until he's
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fifty, despite doctors telling him to
never wrestle again. Orton has been sidelined
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with a back injury since May twenty
twenty two, with his last match being
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attag Team contest that saw him and
now former w superstar Matt Riddle taking on
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the USOS when they were known as
RK bro. This late latest update on
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Orton's return doesn't provide any details on
creative plans that might be in store for
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him. But signs are poorting that
Randy Ornt will be returning at the w
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w Sarversary twenty twenty three, Doctor
Trey, This has me happy, This
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has me thrilled. Randy Orton was
like in this renaissance age when he was
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last in the we and it wasn't
looking good there for a little bit that
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he may never wrestle again. Your
thoughts on the reports that Randy aren't maybe
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returning sooner rather than later. So
if he does return, I'm super sad,
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man, Like I mean when he
left, you know, almost a
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year and a half ago, you
and I were like, man, he's
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arguably the best worker in the business, Like we've seen him have met great
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matches with giants and bluishadors and just
everything across you know, all walks of
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the wrestling gambit and the consonant professional
and really redefined his legacy over the last
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you know, ten twelve years,
because when this show started, we were
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knocking him for constantly getting busted for
you know, violating the wellness program,
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and you know, the last eight
years he's been you know, the model
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of consistency and the older professionals.
So I'm glad if the reports are true,
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like he's back, because I can't
wait to see him. He's one
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of my favorite performers. I don't
know about you, but when you hear
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the reports that his doctors are advising
him to never wrestle again, but yet
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the WWE doctors are clearing him,
that is almost like a reversal of the
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past ten years where doctors have cleared
wrestlers but their doctors say no. So
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I don't know how quality the reports
are on what his doctors are saying.
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You know, if that makes sense
to you. I don't know if that
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makes sense or not, because I'm
like, does if his doctors saying,
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dude, we don't want you wrestling
again, and he's like, no,
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I want to wrestle. Usually WWE
errs on the side of caution and goes
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with what the doctors are saying and
not a whatever you want, Randy,
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come on back in. But if
he can get back in the ring,
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dude, I'll absolutely love. He's
arguably one of the top five performers of
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our generation. For whatever reason,
I'm obviously ending Shawn Michael's vibes here.
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HBK had the back injury ninety eight. He didn't return to professional wrestling until
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forty years later, so his last
match was Wrestmating ninety eight, which was
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Rerestmating fourteen. He returned from SummerSlam
two thousand and two against Triple Ag That
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was supposed to be a one time
deal and it was believed that he would
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never wrestle again. And he did
wrestling then for what another eight years afterwards,
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part time, mostly especially early on, he was doing a lot of
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the more of a full time schedule
towards the end halfway through more of part
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time schedule. Randy Orton is forty
three years old if he reportedly wants to
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wrestle until he's fifty, so he's
got seven more years left in the tank.
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For mathematicians out there, but yeah, I mean, I just get
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massive HBKA vibes. Because Shawn Michaels
was it appeared to be done. The
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farther we got away from Randy Orton
appearing on television in May twenty twenty two
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on episode of SmackDown, the more
it felt like he was not returning.
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So he nearly was out for two
years more eighteen months, which is wild
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to think We don't see that nowadays
unless somebody is done with their career and
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there was no retirement announcement. It's
reminiscent of like the Big Ee injury in
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a way, even though it's completely
two different areas where Biggie has not wrestled
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in over a year. I'm of
the mindset that Biggie probably never wrestles again.
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And there was a period of time
that I was under the mindset that
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Randy Orton never wrestles again, because
I think his father came out and an
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interview and said that doctors were saying
he should never wrestle again. Who knows
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if that's an old school guy working
us a little bit, Doctor Trey,
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but I think there's some smoke to
that fire, because for him to be
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out a good eighteen months and not
beyond we Television, not wrestling, not
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even mentioned, leads me to believe
that Orton was seriously injured and his in
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ring future was being seriously debated.
And I'm also the mindset that Randy's a
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very very smart guy and knows his
body. Like I mean, as much
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as we love Randon, Randy's been
banged up a lot over his career,
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you know, shoulders backs hips like
he's been banged up. I don't think
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he at this point, now forty
three, if he wants to go to
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fifty, I don't think he wants
to come back unless he feels one hundred
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percent on the return. And you
know he's got it. You mentioned he's
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a first ballot Hall of Famer,
he's got the credibility, you know,
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racked up that if he wants to
go to more of a part time schedule,
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you know, I mean, hell, the guy that runs the company's
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one of one of his good friends
as well, so I mean, you
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know he can go triple ah and
they obviously would work something out, But
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you don't want to come back unless
you're one hundred percent, especially with a
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back injury, because you know it
can sideline you for life. And he
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does have his kids aren't small,
but they're younger, and you want to
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make sure that you're around for all
that stuff. So I'm sure he's being
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very, very cautious. But once
again, you don't a guy like Randy
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Orton wants to go out on his
terms. And if you have the opportunity
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to kind of go out on your
terms, you're going to take it.
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You know, much like Shawn Michaels
did, a little bit like Ric Flair
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did his WW run. You don't
want to kind of go out like you
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know, Edge or Brian Daielsen did
in their initial w runs where you're just
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forced to retire, you know,
go out on your term. So I'm
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sure he's being cautious. But at
the same time, he doesn't want to
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go out with that last match being
the tag match and they lost the belts
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on. He wants to have that
little moment of the sun and maybe one
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more run at him, you know, before he goes into a full time,
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part time mode. What do you
think here, essentially, though,
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Doctor Trey does, does Randy Orton
have anything left to prove? Do you
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think it's a case of he still
loves professional wrestling. He doesn't want to
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go out like that, he I
mean, he has nothing left to prove.
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When I think of the history of
this podcast, it'll be fourteen years
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in February, just a couple months
way. You could argue that the number
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one wrestler. While I don't think
there's many times he's ever been given this
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award, Randy Wereton maybe one of
the top wrestlers we've ever covered in the
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history of this podcast longevity wise,
like could he have gone out the way
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that he has gone out until the
last time we saw him in May twenty
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twenty two and that would be okay? Or did he have to write this
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story a bit differently in and need
to return? Is there a need more
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than a want to return? So
like the Randy's I mean third generation,
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like this is in his blood,
like this is what he knows. I
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don't know, can you you can
confuse passion with need at times? Like
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I just I think he feels like
he needs to write the final chapter and
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not have it written for him,
and so it's it's probably you can probably
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look at it go it's actually a
want. But when you have passion and
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desire, that want does turn into
a need. It turns into that addiction.
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Like anybody who's been in the business, it is really really hard to
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walk away from it. Like there
is an adrenaline fact, there's an addiction
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factor, there's you know, mental
addiction to it, Like it's it's a
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crazy, crazy world to live in, Like I haven't worked a show myself
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in almost five months, and it
it I have, I have cravings for
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it. So When you have a
guy like Randy Orton who's been in the
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business since basically the day he stepped
out of the womb, I can't imagine
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how hard it is for him to
walk away without it being on his own
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terms. I mean, you look
at a guy like Ric Flair. Ric
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Flair's like still talking about having another
match, you know. I think that's
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all to these guys know is the
wrestling business. So it's hard to step
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away when you feel like you can
still have good quality matches. I mean,
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if Triple As does not had that
episode two years ago, he's still
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getting He'll still he'd still be getting
physically involved in the ring. So it's
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it's that desire, that achingness,
that longingness for the business that keeps bringing
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guys back. It's, uh,
it's an interesting one, right, Like
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if if this injury is so serious
that he's supposed to be retiring, it's
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his back. We all know that. If you, like, I've had
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a back injury, multiple back injuries. Dr. Trump, Sure you've had
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back injuries. Most human beings do. It's the most painful part of your
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body that you can injure. Uh. It controls everything. It's your central
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nervous system in a way because you
can't move, So it's it's like is
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it worth it? And I don't
know, Like the selfish wrestling phantom and
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me is like, yeah, come
on back, Randy, want to see
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you wrestle, and then the humane
mey is like, bh, does does
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he really need to do this?
It's it's an interesting conundrum. I guess
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w W. I think going back
to your initial point, Doctor Troy about
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W typically doesn't give the okay for
stuff like this. I would have to
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believe that maybe we're being worked a
little bit, that Orton's back injury wasn't
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career threatening ending and he is okay
to work. I don't know. I
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just kind of can't. I can't
figure this one out because again the rest
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of the phantom me wants to see
him back, but I just asked myself,
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like, is this a smart move? Dude's got young kids, Like
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I hate seeing my heroes look banged
up later in life, Like I love
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the Undertaker, but it's it's kind
of sad to see, you know,
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video of him down in Saudi Arabia
with vincick Man over the weekend, who
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he himself was not moving around great
and just came off of very serious back
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surgery walking so gingerly. Whether it
be the Undertaker, whether it be Mick
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Foley, I get it, this
is part of the gig. But sometimes
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you wonder if if the wrestlers are
are hurting themselves by wanting to continue to
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grab that addiction that is professional wrestling. Yeah, I mean it is a
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bit of a like to be in
wrestling, you have to have a little
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bit of a DNA defect because I
mean, in theory, you're going out
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there and basically prep falling and injuring
yourself for the entertainment of others. And
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even in comedy, think about like
the physical comedians like the John Belushi's,
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the Chris Farley's, all those guys
had that, you know, DNA defect
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and it was little, a little
bit. It was in those cases very
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much self harming. And we've seen
an in professional wrestling with these guys just
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get that addiction to them and they
go out there and do it until literally
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their body gives up on them.
And it is it's hard. I mean,
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even you know, seeing Takers,
seeing Vince, you know, seeing
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Mick Foley, sees these guys that
you and I grew up watching and seeing
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them struggling to kind of get around. It's painful, but you know it's
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nobody forces you to stay in wrestling
except yourself. So if Randy can come
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back, and Randy can work,
and he wants to work, and the
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doctors all cleared him, like,
go for your joy, chase your dreams,
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chase your happiness, all those things. And I do think I think
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the back injury was career threatening,
but maybe not Coranty. I mean,
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we see other guys come back from
back injuries like you mentioned Sean Michaels and
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have you know, a good career
afterwards, and it's just because they wrestle
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smarter, they learn to limit their
bumps, they learn to limit those things
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that could actually hurt them even more. And that's just something that Randy's don't
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have to work around as he goes
for I mean, you think about I
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mean rkos he's given, and that
RKO he's landing on his back when he
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gives it, So it's we may
see him have to modify that in order
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to lengthen his career and either change
finishers or go as something else that's not
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gonna be so impactful on his lower
back if he wants to wrestle in their
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seven years switching gears here. One
of the current Professions wrestlers who's twenty seven
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years of age who we can consider
to be probably smart when it comes from
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the injury standpoint is the current AW
World Champion Maxwell Jacob Friedman aka MJF.
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He made history on November the first
Doctor Trey as he officially set the new
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record for the longest AW World Championship
reign in the company's history at three hundred
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and forty seven days. He defeated
John Moxley at AW Full Gear twenty twenty
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two on November nineteenth, twenty twenty
two, thanks to the help of now
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CURRENTE executive William Regal MGF also coming
off of a great match on Collision with
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Kenny Omega, arguably one of the
best matches they ever put on free television
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in el Elite Wrestling. A little
bit of a headscratcher they put it on
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free TV with little to no build
up and no pay per view background and
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all that stuff, But hell,
I'll take it by watching it for on
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free television on Saturday night, watching
Collision Doctor Trey. With that said longest
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reigning AW World Champion. But how
do you think mgf's reign has gone so
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far as champ? Yeah, I
was thinking about that, and you look
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at what Moxley has two reigns.
You got the Omega reign, Jericho.
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I think Moxley is three. Grete
okay, so we got Maxis got three,
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So you got Moxy's got three,
Omega, Jericho, Hangman, Punk's
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got two, a MJF. So
I don't think I'm missing any of the
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world Champions so far in the four
year run of ADW, I put MJF
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as the second best run. I
still think Jericho had the best run the
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initial yeah, just because it kind
of solidified the title, and then he
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was constantly coming up with cool little
cats phrases and reinventions. And I was
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trying I said reinventions while I was
thinking of Ley Champion, and so reinventions
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came out sounding French when I said
it. But I think it's been a
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good I think it's been a good
run. But I don't know if the
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turn in the middle of this has
helped it or made it not as good,
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Like if he had been a straight
year long run of him just being
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an asshole, Like would that have
elevated a little bit more. But this
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last few months of him being nice
and shaking hands with Kenny Omega and things
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like that, I don't know if
that's helped it or hurt it. I
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mean, he's I don't know.
I think to me, I put it
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as the second best run, even
though it's been the longest one. I
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think the best aw World Championship reigns
were the first three. I thought Jericho,
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Moxley, Omega were the best runs, and it helped elevate the title.
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After Omega, it became a little
bit of a weird person a way
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because Hangman Page had it, which
I thought was rightfully due at that point,
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but his title reign got cut short
because they want to put the championship
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on CM Punk. CM Punk gets
injured, so then Moxley becomes interim champion.
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Moxley has a weird match with CM
Punk on Dynamite and becomes the champion,
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and then what was it like a
week or two later than they had
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the match at all Out which later
became brawl Out and Punk only had the
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championhip for a couple of days because
he was suspended and hurt, and then
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Moxley had the championship again, and
then Moxley going into MJF. We're at
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now whether or not the MJF rain
is been a good one is a big
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debate. So I feel like looking
at all the rains, the first three
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again Jericho, Moxley, Omega were
the best, and then after that the
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title got really really cursed, and
now with MJF, I think it's highly
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debatable of how this rain has gone. I am a huge MJF fan.
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I am a believer that they made
the right call in putting the championship on
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him. I'm all for that.
Yate of around MJF as champion at times
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has been really really good. I
like the stuff with Danielson, it's been
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really really bad and not entertaining.
I think you can make a case for
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that presently. And then it's been
really really good with Adam Cole stuff,
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and then Adam Cole gets hurt.
Like I can see right now that there's
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a really cool storyline developing where all
these people want a shot at the AW
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World Championship, which is rightfully so, it's the world title. They should
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be fighting for it, they should
be vying for this, But I don't
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know. I think overall, Like, if I had to letter grade the
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MJF World Championship reign, I think
I would give it like a C plus
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B minus Doctor Trey, Like,
is that fair? I think it's it
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was something that we were highly looking
forward to and it's been that as we
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thought it would be, like really
good, and then I think it's been
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underwhelming. And I think also the
babyface run has been confusing a little bit,
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which is sad. Yeah, because
it's he's got and we may get
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to this today, that may not, we may wait for this a little
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a long. But he's I mean
MJF has a lot of miz in him.
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Yeah, yeah, and I'm and
by that I mean amazing heel and
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a quality babyface like it's he's acceptable. But one of the great things about
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MJF and and Miss as a heel
is that smarminess, that quick wit it
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that you know, take the filter
off and just let it rip. And
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then when they put the baby face
on him, it's like they're capping what
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they can actually do. Jericho may
be the best of all time at playing
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that same character as a baby face
and a heel uh and and being able
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to get over on both sides of
it. But to turn MJF in the
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middle of this without a real reason. This is you know, for those
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longtime listeners, it's like me complaining
about el berteldel real turning heel or turning
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baby face about the spansion now stable. Uh, it just didn't make sense.
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It's kind of same thing here,
like especially when you go back to
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the Casino Royale when he won the
chip as the joker and you had the
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whole devil mask and everything else.
You're like, and you had the whole
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the firm built around him, and
then it never got used. Like if
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they had kept him as this you
know, mega heel champion with a big
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stable around him and just kind of
did like the old nWo adage of horseman
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edge, which is your baby face
of the month run up against the whole
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stable to try to get the champ, and that's how you build babyfaces.
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If they had done that, maybe
would have been better. But it's just
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like you said, the creative around
it has been wonky. For lack of
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a better term, it's just like
they it's it's we start this, we
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go down this rabbit and it's great
and it's bad, and it's great bad,
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Like I thought this stuff with him
and Joe, that little short Rivelry
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have with Smoke Joe is really good
because they tied it all back into stuff
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from you know, NXT when he
was an extra on there, like they
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some s has been really good.
But then like right now, the stuff
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with Jay White should be fantastic,
and we're sitting here going where are they
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going with this? Like I don't
know what they're doing, And I don't
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know if I should watch every week
or if I should just check in every
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so often and see where they're at, because I don't know if I want
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to invest in it all. So
the length of it, though, gives
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it a little bit like right,
I forgot how good the Omega run was.
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That was a really good run.
Boxley's first run is really good.
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So it's it's I would give it
maybe a B at best. I'd probably
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be at the be bias level for
this MGF run, but maybe a B
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if I look at the high end
work. I think creatively, it's been
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a snake bitten world title reign for
him because you know, you brought up
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the firm. So he returns it
all out twenty twenty two and he confronts
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CM Punk at the end of that
pay per view. I think a lot
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of people forget about that because of
what happened at the press conference. He
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returns to the pay per view,
has the firm, He confronts Punk at
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the end of it. Now he's
won an opportunity to have a World Championship
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match, and then that all goes
away because Punk gets suspended and injured,
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so that never gets followed through.
They tease a little bit for like the
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next six to eight weeks him being
a babyface and aligning with John Moxley turning
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on the Firm, and it was
like, we dug it. You go
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back to that period of time listening
to this podcast, We dug it because
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there wasn't a lot of change to
the MJF character and he was just leading
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more on the babyface side, and
it wasn't too much of a change.
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And I always felt like he should
be more of a Steve Austin turned than
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a wild like one eighty character.
I'm a good guy turn, but I'm
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still a swarming scumbag like they've done. Right now, he wins the Championship,
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has a good little stretch there,
good stuff with Brian Danielson does the
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four Pillars, which we were not
digging at the time because it felt a
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little bit force fed because at least
two of the four didn't belong in the
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match at the time, and they
ran with that for a little bit,
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and then they started turning to babyface
with Adam Cole, and that was really
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good and it was really well done, and then he got I love the
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comparison. He got very mislike with
the babyface turn where it was like,
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oh, now he's like kind of
corny and I'm not really digging this,
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and then Adam Cole gets injured.
Heading into the stuff of Bullet Club Gold
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has been kind of mild in a
way. It hasn't been great, it
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hasn't been bad. It's just kind
of in the middle and mile that I'm
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optimistic to see where it's going.
But his run has been snake bitten in
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a way, Doctor Trey, and
it's it's disappointing because I think we had
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very high expectations and high hopes and
maybe that's what did him in a little
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bit from a fans perspective, because
we still believe in him as a world
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champion. I think he can be
the face of a company. But I
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can't sit here and say that it's
that it's been the best. It's I
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guess when you look at the history
of the Championship, it's behind the Jericho
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Moxley Omega run as maybe like the
fourth best reign. But that's not really
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saying much because the stuff in the
middle there from Kenny Omega to MJF was
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not that great because injuries, brawl
out bs was going on that kind of
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diluted in snake bit in that title
worse than it has ever been. Yeah,
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And the crazy thing is you have
to think that the technically speaking MJF
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Adam Cole headlined the biggest pay per
view in wrestling history. Yeah, yeah,
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it's crazy. I think that this
is the fourth best run. But
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you know when you look at it, like you're like a lot of these
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matches like have been kind of thrown
in last minute, Like even with SMO
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Joe think kind of came out of
nowhere. You know, like it was
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good, and I liked it because
storyline wise they could tie it into something
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else, but you know it's just
like what was he like, why then
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the hell? And I know,
like you just said how great it was
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to see MJF and Kenny Omega on
Collision on Saturday Night. But even when
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Mark Henry, who works for the
company, comes out and says we should
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not have given that match away for
free, there's something to that, like
400
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.160
you have a build up for something
that that was a match that fans of
401
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.240
want to see and we didn't do
that. Like it's like, oh,
402
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.759
yeah, they you gave it like
a three hour build up like I think
403
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.680
I think Tony Gonn announced it or
three day build up. They announced it
404
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.839
on Dynami et Ors like that,
or maybe like the day after. But
405
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.079
it's like, why would you not
say that for a bigger match, Like
406
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.559
you're in telling me that MJF and
Jay White on paper would get you more
407
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.000
buys than MJF and Kenny Obega,
Like I think you're out of your mind.
408
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.279
And this whole thing with like who's
gonna partner up with to go against
409
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.160
the Kallis family and he's going through
the acclaim that he's taking potshots at baby
410
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.559
Faces that he doesn't want team with, but other people it's like, uh,
411
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.799
maybe you know like there Smote Joe
stuff, Like I dig the whole
412
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.640
like mystery aspect of it because that's
great storytelling. But you know, why
413
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:10.519
wouldn't you save the like why wouldn't
you have MJF and Kiddie Obga and they
414
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have a run in from the Challis
family to now maybe tie MJFF into that
415
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.599
storyline as well and give a little
bit more depth to everybody's out to get
416
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him, because that's when baby phases
really get over, is when they're up
417
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.240
against the odds. And I don't
feel like at any point in this run
418
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have we felt like mjf's character was
in danger of really losing. I mean
419
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maybe the handicapped tag match and we
saw what a you know, kind of
420
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I don't say joke that turned into, but I mean it did come in
421
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.960
kind of farcicles in that match,
Like baby faces have to overcome obstacles and
422
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:51.640
MJF doesn't really have any obstacles right
now. This may come off pretty badly,
423
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.240
but I'll say it anyway because I
think it has diluted the Babyface run
424
00:30:55.240 --> 00:31:00.279
a little bit. But I like
that MGF has dealt with real life ts
425
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:07.759
and tribulations, whether it be the
ADHD or the background as a Jewish American,
426
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.359
especially during these times living in the
world and then I think there was
427
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.400
another disorder he had where he wasn't
like some sort of acceptances sort of that
428
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.799
I ever heard from heard of before, And like, I love that he
429
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.000
has overcome these trials and tribulations and
it has helped build his character and to
430
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.480
the person he is today. And
they use as an opportunity to get him
431
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.319
on a level with the fan base
as like this guy is. He can
432
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.559
be an asshole, but he's just
like you and I where he has overcome
433
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.079
demons, overcome things that have held
him back and here he is today.
434
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.319
The problem I have with that is
the entire time that they go down,
435
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.640
they always seem to go down this
route and it gets to a point where
436
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:01.920
like they may have overdone it creatively, Like I remember that he used that
437
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.519
in the Cmpunk feud and I loved
it. I thought it was a great
438
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.039
thing that they added into it,
and it made him over with the fans,
439
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.720
Like the fans are starting to cheer
for him instead of Cempunk, which
440
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.160
is wild to think of. And
there was those couple of weeks where actually
441
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.559
I was at the show at Dynamite
where he cut the promo about being bullied
442
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.759
in school and the fans were getting
behind him, and seem Punk came out
443
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.079
and to be like, is this
like all real? And then they left
444
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.880
and then I think maybe they followed
up a week or two later and had
445
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.240
MGF layout Punk from like a bloody
beat down in Jacksonville, and I thought
446
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.279
that was great. But it always
seems like whenever they need to get the
447
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.160
fans to care about him, they
go down that direction of the trials and
448
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.160
tribulations he's gone through. And I
feel like they've played that card one too
449
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.799
many times Doctor Trey, and I
feel like creatively it's kind of hampered the
450
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.759
character to a degree because it's like, oh man, another issue, Yeah,
451
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.079
MJF, Like why are we bringing
this up again? Like we've been
452
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.319
down this road. We get it, you've overcome these trials and tribulations.
453
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:14.680
We're with you. This is fantastic. But it's like, whenever they need
454
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.160
the fan support for him, they're
like, oh, look, you know,
455
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.920
but this is what happened in my
childhood. I think they go down
456
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.799
that direction too much, and I
think it's hurt him a little bit.
457
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.759
Did you watch Raw Monday Nights?
I did? Yeah, Okay, So
458
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:31.720
I'm just gonna use this comparison,
what AW does with MJF to get him
459
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.160
over as a baby face is the
exact same thing WW is doing with Drew
460
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.319
McIntyre to get him over as a
heel. But I like what they're doing
461
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.200
with Drew McIntyre and I do too. But that's why, because after a
462
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.039
while you go, dude, I'm
so tired hearing you whine and bitch.
463
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.160
And in a sense, that's what
m JF does now. Like the fact,
464
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.559
like the first time you do it's
the Brett hard cry baby stuff.
465
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.640
Yes, exactly what it is,
and it comes off if you keep playing
466
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.960
that like you're cridaby, it's like
after a while, you're like, dude,
467
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.920
you're the champ. Like right now
at this point as a babyface World
468
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.000
champion, you look at every great
world babyface champion we've had over the last
469
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.679
thirty years, you know, from
Austin to Rock to you know, whoever
470
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.320
you want to lay out there,
John Cena's you know, even seen a
471
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.719
Superman run. What they do.
They always try to stack the deck against
472
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.960
him because it's all about overcoming physical
obstacles because babyfaces are typically not the smartest
473
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.400
guys in the room, were typically
the heart the soul that desire to drive
474
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.239
that type of thing, you know, So you have to overcome these obstacles,
475
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.760
and they're physical threats, not emotional
threats. You can tie in emotion
476
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.760
into a little bit, but you
still need to have the physicality involved.
477
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.760
As the word I just you look
at him as a babyface right now,
478
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.199
and when you're wrestling two guys and
you're basically you're five foot ten, two
479
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:59.960
hundred and thirty pounds and you're wrestling
at the righteous and you're basically kind of
480
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.039
just burying them in a tag match, just like that's not really overcoming an
481
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.199
obstacle. Like it's like, at
no point does he feel threatened. And
482
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:13.559
it's one of the things that kind
of made Hogan get booed is after why
483
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.880
and say with Sina was that after
a while, you're like, there's nothing
484
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.639
about this that makes me feel like
this guy's in danger losing the belt anytime
485
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.159
soon. So why do I care? You know, and you're whining about
486
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.920
your childhood and talking about your childhood
or however you want to present it.
487
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.280
After a why just go all right, just get over it, move on.
488
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.360
We've all had trials and tribulations in
our childhood and we just don't get
489
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.880
to be on TV, you know, every three months, reminding people how
490
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.239
rough our childhood he was. And
it's what is helping Drew McIntyre get over
491
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.960
as a heel, is what's kind
of making people lose a little bit interest
492
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.360
in MJF as a babyface. Yeah, it's interesting. I think there's a
493
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.519
part where fans are like, all
right, I can get behind this.
494
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.320
This is great. I have dealt
with trials and tribulations in my life,
495
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.039
and then when it keeps going and
going and going, you're like, okay,
496
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.000
dude, we get it. You
got to overcome this shit now.
497
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.239
Okay. So I don't know it's
the rain. I think Doctor Trey and
498
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.760
I both are kind of collectively landing
on if you're given in a letter grade,
499
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.280
I said C plus B minus,
Doctor said B B minus. I
500
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.320
think we're landing on a B minus
right now, which it's it's not the
501
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.719
best, but it's not the worst. But I think the expectations are really
502
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.119
high, and I think that's the
thing that's a little bit disappointing as we
503
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:29.760
reach the longest reigning aw World champion
in history, because I would be like,
504
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.599
yeah, give it to him or
Hangman Page as guys that have held
505
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:36.000
the title longest, make it a
great world title reign and you've built a
506
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.519
homegrown star. And I think AW
has had moments during this reign where they
507
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.119
certainly accomplished that, and then the
moments that during this reign where they haven't,
508
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.760
And I wish it was more of
an a and men expectations rather than
509
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.159
just kind of be mediocre. Some
really good moments, some bad moments,
510
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.000
And I think that's where we're at
right now with MGF is. It's nothing
511
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.039
to do with the n Rain stuff. It's like the creative it's just been.
512
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.320
At times it's like really really good
with the Adam Coole stuff, and
513
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.760
then it's like bad. And that's
I don't know. Stuff with the Bullet
514
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.559
Club Glold, which the group that
I love along with the wrestler and MJF
515
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.480
that I love. Really excited to
see him and Jay White. It's kind
516
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.599
of been a little bit heading into
full gear. Feel free to chime in
517
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.199
at SRTU podcast on x or Facebook
dot com, Slash the Store Real to
518
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.559
show. Speaking of Bullet Club Goal
Doctor Trey, I thought this was like
519
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.519
an interesting thing to you know,
briefly discuss we could literally make this its
520
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.760
own episode if we ever wanted to
put it in the can at some point,
521
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.880
but I was like, man,
what are five wrestlers right now or
522
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.320
groups? However you want to put
it? Five wrestlers, groups, tag
523
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.039
teams that we enjoy watching right now. I know I'm spreading this on you,
524
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.679
and there was no preparation beforehand,
but I always feel like, organically,
525
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.840
like picking out five things or wrestlers, groups, tag teams that you
526
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:02.239
like right now is pretty cool.
I'll start and I'll throw it over you,
527
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.239
doctor Trey. And ironically enough,
four out of the five come from
528
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:13.400
All Leat Wrestling, where creatively as
a company right now it's not in its
529
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.599
best spot. It's quite the rollercoaster
ride when it comes to Creative in AW.
530
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.159
So for me, the five wrestlers
I really enjoy watching right now from
531
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.119
All Eat Wrestling, Swarve Strickland,
Bullet Club Gold, Julia Hart, and
532
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:32.280
Timeless Tony Storm from NXT it's the
current NXC World Champion Eliah Dragonoff Swarve Strickland
533
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:39.960
is the biggest mistake that WWE has
let go to free agency and sign elsewhere
534
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.400
this entire time I mean, this
is a guy who was a lower mid
535
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:51.159
card, mid card wrestler, had
a great run in NXT, did some
536
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.920
great stuff with hit Row. They
let him go, figured that maybe he'd
537
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.440
flounder in the mid card, and
he kept climbing and climbing and climbing.
538
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.039
He's on some size. His character
continues to get better. His in ring
539
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.760
stuff is really good. Like I
think Swerb Strickland is a guy that could
540
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.599
be an AW World Champion next year
Bullet Club Gold. It reminds me of
541
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:19.039
Degeneration X twenty twenty five years later. They are very entertaining, very enjoyable
542
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.119
to watch on TV, and I
think it's the only a matter of time
543
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.639
before they become babyfaces. Julia Hart
is one of the most improved wrestlers I
544
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.239
have seen in the ring. Her
matches heading into the last pay per view
545
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:37.519
of wrestled Dream, where she took
on Chris Statlander like she really improved,
546
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.559
and I think she is someone you
keep an eye on heading in twenty twenty
547
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.000
four as well. Timeless Tony Storm
may be getting the most screen time of
548
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.360
any AW character right now. Her
character is very original. It is a
549
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.840
complete one to eighty from the person
she was previously, and watching that slow
550
00:39:53.880 --> 00:40:00.039
progression from the outcast Tony Storm to
timeless Tony Storm has been really, really
551
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.599
fun, and she's a highly entertained
character. It seems to be they're going
552
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.760
down a heel direction now, which
is kind of surprising because I think she's
553
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.159
very over right now in professional wrestling
in general. And then lastly, Elia
554
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:19.480
Dragonoff always knew he was a star
watching him as NXC UK champion and then
555
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.239
come over to NXT here in the
US, and it took some time to
556
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.360
build and build and build, and
his build was the right way to do
557
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.360
it. There were some failures going
for the World Championship, and then he
558
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:35.880
finally overcame the mountain and now he
looks like a legit prime time player for
559
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.480
NXT. Like I think we all
thought bron Breaker was the guy, and
560
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.880
that's because it was kind of be
enforced. This has organically happened, and
561
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.079
he's been very enjoyable to watch that
h bomb finished her. He has looks
562
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.519
legitimately like it hurts getting that jumping
forearm to the face. So those are
563
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.800
the five wrestlers that I enjoy watching
right now. Doctor Terry Swerve, Strickland,
564
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.840
Bullet Club Gold, Ili dragging off
Julie Hart and Timeles Tony Store say,
565
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.519
yeah, I'm gonna try to I
you nailed the couple of mine,
566
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.960
like Julia Harg remind me of Lexa
Bliss, Like I just like in the
567
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.960
progression of Lexa Bliss as well,
so I really enjoy her. The timeless,
568
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.440
tunny stormy thing is great. It's
a weird comparison, but I compare
569
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.440
this character to when Chelsea Green was
doing the Angry Bride, the Crazy Bride
570
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:25.760
character and impact, Like it's just
so original and different that it's captivating,
571
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.800
Like you just have to watch and
see what's gonna happen next with it swerves
572
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.320
on a whole different level right now. Uh you mentioned Bullet Club Gold.
573
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.840
Those guys are It's funny you mentioned
this because I literally, as I was
574
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.400
watching Raw this week, I win. You know somebody I can't get enough
575
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:44.360
of right now is lutherang Kaiser.
Like I just love his speech pattern,
576
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:51.039
his mannerisms and the ring like he
reminds me of a very and I got
577
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:52.599
it. I can't believe I'm comparing
this to somebody we already compared to.
578
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.320
He just reminds me of a very
young miss in the sense of you just
579
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.039
want to punch together. He's so
cocky, it's so arrogant, you just
580
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:07.079
really just want to smack the hell
out of them. I love the Bronson
581
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.599
red character right now as well.
I think that's he's really enjoyable to watch.
582
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.519
This new thing with Shinske also has
me really intrigued. And I know
583
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.559
he's not new, but I like
the redevelopment of the character, uh and
584
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.280
where they're going with this. So
those are three more to add to the
585
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:28.920
list. And by the way,
I I I mentioned her segoning with with
586
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.559
the crazy breat Chelsea Green is just
so much fun to watch, whether she's
587
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:37.039
getting her face smashed in or coming
out dresses. Brett Hart with Piper Niven
588
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.039
as Jim v Anvil like like,
they always make me smile and laugh.
589
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.719
So those are a few of mine
right now. Like the Kais are one
590
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.440
though I don't know if you see
that as well, but it's just he
591
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.559
just is like that little promo segment
the miss even though Miss kind of gets
592
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.280
always seems to win promo battles,
but it's just he's so good. Then
593
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.320
watching him in the ring with Dyn
Oris and stuff like that. You're like,
594
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.119
man, I just which makes me
want to watch him. Yeah,
595
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.039
I like the Ludwig Kaiser call.
I think WWE sees him as someone that
596
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.079
can be a big player for them
as well, based on some vignettes they
597
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.199
ran over the last couple of weeks
on Raw. He is getting more shine
598
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:21.679
than Giovanni Vinci, who is an
extremely talented wrestler. I actually don't want
599
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.960
to see Louwig Kaiser and Giovanni Vinci
break up at all right now, because
600
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.000
then that would be weird for Imperium. But Kaiser is there. I think
601
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:36.039
Cordy Graves said that Kaiser reminds him
of like some sort of eighties early nineties
602
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movie villain, and I thought that
was spot on. I can see Kaiser's
603
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starring in a Diehard remake, yes, yes, or like the the like
604
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in Rocky Towo or something. Right. But and then you're right about Vinci
605
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as well, Like I, Fabian
Eichner and I are actually friends on Facebook
606
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and he's one of my favorite people
to watch on Facebook. And he may
607
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be one of the most impressive athletes
I've ever seen. Some Shelton Benjamin debut,
608
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.079
like he can do everything in the
ring. It's just that he's a
609
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.280
little undersized, so it makes it. But for a guy who's I think,
610
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I mean he I mean he's shorter
than Kaiser and Kaiser's five ten or
611
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five eleven so, but athletically,
I mean, the guy was the cruiserweight
612
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classic mm hm. And then now
you're seeing him do that that press slam
613
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into a side slam type. Like
some of the stuff he does is just
614
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like physically impressive, but he just
needs to be a little bit better on
615
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the mic, and I think that's
where they're playing off of. But yeah,
616
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.880
I'm with you. I don't want
to see them break up because I
617
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think they're, you know, one
of those I mean, they're a little
618
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.440
bit of totally Blanchard and Harney Anderson
and the way they wrestle in the ring,
619
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in their style, So I don't
want to see him break up.
620
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.360
But like, no, Kaiser is
fantastic. He's he's like I didn't even
621
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realize how much I enjoyed him until
that segment on Raw with him and Miz
622
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.760
and Goo Thir and everything else.
Yeah, I mean they're they're so hated
623
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.039
that they're on the verge of turning
miss baby Face again. So there's some
624
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rumors out there that he's reportedly going
to be paired up with Di Y and
625
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.920
I could totally see it, And
that's kind of crazy to think because of
626
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.760
stuff that we talked about about fifteen
twenty minutes ago in the comparison to S
627
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.800
to MJF so I for that was
a pretty fun topic to do. Who
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00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.719
the five wrestlers we enjoy watching right
now? Five wrestlers, tag team stables,
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what have you? So? Feel
free to chime in on x at
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SRTU podcast. With that said,
let's close up this week's edition of the
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podcast by preview predicting w WEE Crown
Jewel. It comes to us this Saturday
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for Muhammad Abdu Arena and Riad Saudi
Arabia. It'll be on one pm on
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the East coast here. Actually,
the pre show starts at twelve noon with
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a match which will preview predicting your
momentarily, So it'll be a Saturday afternoon
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affair for those if they would like
to tune in and watch w WEE Crown
636
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Jewel. Do you think you'll watch
it live? Doctor Trey at one o'clock.
637
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.239
I will try because I'll actually be
at work for like the last Like
638
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.360
if it starts at twelve for the
for the pre show match, I can
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00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.199
probably tune in and watch it because
I'll be working at a lows try to
640
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.719
sling some gutters at lows. But
I'm not being upalled my phone. But
641
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.639
I don't really have like wife has
to work for a lot, so it's
642
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.960
the perfect time for me to watch
wrestling and not bother anybody in my family.
643
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.639
Yeah, yeah, this, I
think it's like I don't think there
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is a December pay per view,
so we have Survivors series coming up,
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00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.039
so just think I'm so the next
two out of the next four pay per
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views so Crown Jewel, Surviviorceries,
Royal Rumble, and Elimination Chamber. If
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I have this right, well,
at least two of the four will take
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place like in the morning or early
afternoon here in the United States. I
649
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.000
think the Elimination Chamber show will like
actually start very early on the East Coast.
650
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.719
So it's, uh, there's gonna
be some breakfast in wrestling at least
651
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:49.239
over the next four months when it
comes to do a for wrestling. Yeah,
652
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I'm I'm with it. I'm down
with it. Let's do. Let's
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do that, because sometimes those night
shows, I as dog Try and I
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00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:00.840
get older, just start nodding off
for no freaking reason. Show match Samy's
655
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Ain taking on JD McDonough. I
dig that they're giving these two guys an
656
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opportunity to perform on the pre show. I wish Sammy was getting more of
657
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a bigger highlight, but I'm happy
for JD McDonough's growth as well. With
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00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:14.960
that set. I'm gonna be taking
Sammy's ay and this one doctor Try.
659
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:16.880
Yeah, I'm taking Sammy as well, but I fully expect them to give
660
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.280
him fifteen to twenty mins in this
match. So, I mean we saw
661
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it all raw. They're giving McDonough
time in the ring to show what he
662
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can do. And even though I
guess in the sense he got squashed by
663
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I mean he got beat by seven, I'm beat pretty good by seth Rollins.
664
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.119
I mean there was some chicanery involved
to get to it. So they're
665
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showing you the capabilities of what the
gunne can do in the ring, and
666
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you pair them with they guy like
Sammy's Ain, and I fully this is
667
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the pre show match might steal the
show. So if they give him twenty
668
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minutes, it's gonna be out of
a match, so both taking samy'se ain.
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Subtle funny moment with Jade McDonough.
There was a backstage vignette with the
670
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judgment day. He was back there, they were done doing whatever their plan
671
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.239
was. He put his hand in
like as like, everybody put your hands
672
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.400
in on three and Finn went to
go do it as well. But Finn
673
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.159
uh ectually Rhea like push it away
and like looked at him being like,
674
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what the hell are you doing?
Very subtle, funny moment, which is
675
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.360
strange because Jad McDonald's character up until
this point was like a creepy, weird
676
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.960
individual. So go out there and
check it out if you haven't seen yet.
677
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.639
It was very subtle and very funny. Next match year, Cody Roads
678
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:17.679
take it on Damian Price. It
should be fun one, Doctor Trey,
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who do you like in this one? Yeah? This one's interesting to me.
680
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.519
I wonder if we do a little
bit of the seth rawlins wrestle manthing
681
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.840
where the money in the bank guy
loses early in the show but comes back
682
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.559
and wins in the main event.
Perhaps I'm gonna take Cody like we talked
683
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:37.000
about babyface that have overcome obstacles.
Cody's gotta beat a guy who's much taller
684
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.320
with a bum ankle. It's a
way for Cody guy and get little more
685
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.280
sympathy, get even over, you
get even more over with the fans.
686
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.679
So I'm gonna take Cody get the
win. I like you Doctor Tream taking
687
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.239
Cody Rhodes as well. I would
love to have seen a stipulation with the
688
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.760
money bank briefcase maybe being on the
line, but they didn't do that,
689
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.639
and that tells me because Cody's gonna
get the victory, which continues to rise
690
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.239
the star on Damian Priesce. Sometimes
losses are good as well well, so
691
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.360
it's amazing that Damien's getting these opportunities. Next matchers, John Scene to take
692
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.119
it on Solo Soca. Quite honestly, I went back and forth even leading
693
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up to this show of who I
was gonna take. They're really honing in
694
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.199
that Johnsen has not won a singles
match in four years. I'm going to
695
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.599
go with John Cena. I literally
went in the show thinking I was gonna
696
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.559
pick Solo Soca, but I think
Jimmy Usso somehow gets involved and costs the
697
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.639
match for solo, So I'm gonna
take John Scene again the victory in this
698
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.800
one. Doctor Trey, Yeah,
I'm with you. I'm all in the
699
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.400
four years now with any singles match, and then Roman Reigns being on Jimmy's
700
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:37.440
ass about running the wrong plays and
things like that. I think that leads
701
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.440
to Scenea getting the wins. So
I will take Scene getting the victory also
702
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.079
because of Sina wins. Hey,
that's great. And plus these these Crown
703
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.400
Jewel shows a lot of times are
kind of wrestling mains where that we get
704
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.840
a lot of baby face wins as
well. That is true. Next matcher
705
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.920
is EO Sky defending the w Women's
World Championship against Bianca Belair. Doctor Trey,
706
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.800
who do you like in this one? I'm gonna take Eo sneaking out
707
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.280
the victory, like where she just
keeps somehow you're winning, but maybe against
708
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.000
superior opposition, whether it's Charlotte,
whether it's Oscar, whether it's Bianca.
709
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.719
But Eokey's retaining with the help of
the Bailey's and the Dakotas and things like
710
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.159
that. So I'll take Eosky retaining. I like you Doctor Tramp taking Eo
711
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:21.480
Sky, I think Ultimately they're going
to run with Bailey taking on Eosky at
712
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some point. I want to be
surprised if Damage Control and some other people
713
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.920
are involved in maybe the Women's War
Games match at at Survivors Series in a
714
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.039
couple of weeks. Next match is
Ray Masteria defend the United States Championship against
715
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.280
the Logan Paul. I think if
you told me or asked me this two
716
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.119
three years ago, who do I
think that I? Who do I think
717
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:43.440
would win this match? I would
take Raymisterio nine point nine times out of
718
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.920
ten. That has since changed.
I'm going to be taking Logan Paul.
719
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.280
I think they want to put the
championship on him heading into WrestleMania season,
720
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.400
get some extra publicity, some promotion
as well. I think Logan Paul has
721
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.840
a decent run here as a United
States Champion, and as we've as we
722
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:05.320
know, WW does not really mind
if the title is not being promoted rather
723
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.199
than being on television because the World
Champion has only wrestled like four times this
724
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:15.599
year. So I'm taking Logan Paul
Doctor Try. Yeah, I'm picking Logan
725
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:17.480
Paul as well, but I'm gonna
be really interesting how long this run is.
726
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:20.920
I know, like you mentioned,
they want to maybe have a long
727
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.360
run get in the wrestle media season, but I can see it being kind
728
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.719
of a short term one with a
run. That's just my thoughts on it.
729
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.199
That's not a report. Yeah,
no, I mean what you're thinking
730
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.000
makes sense. My thing is also, though, if you put the belt
731
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.079
on Logan he has to leave,
then your two singles titles on SmackDown aren't
732
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:42.800
going to be on the show that
much. I'll take Logan getting the way
733
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.800
for the publicity, but I don't
think you'll have the belt past Rumble,
734
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.079
all right, so both let's taking
Logan Paul there. Next match is Rhea
735
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.679
Ripley defending the Women's World Championship in
a fatal five way match against Nia Jack,
736
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.760
Shannon Besler, Zoe Stark, and
Raquel Rodriguez Doctor Trey. Who do
737
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.000
you like in this one? I
don't like. Ria is now my brouckles.
738
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.119
I don't know how you pick against
Ria right now. I just I
739
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.639
mean, she's on a different level. She's arguably the Roman reigns of women's
740
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:14.320
wrestling right now. So I as
much as I was talking about baby Face
741
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to getting the wins in Crown,
you know, in Saudi Arabia and Ria's
742
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.960
a borderline babyface. So I'll take
Ria getting the win. I like you.
743
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.280
I'm taking Rie Ripley as well.
Next match here, this is a
744
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.559
tough one to call for the World
of Ayweight Championship Seth Freaking Rollins defense against
745
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.199
Drew McIntyre. Similar to the John
c and Asilisa CooA match. Dot Trey
746
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.000
went back and forth on this one
as well. I could see a scenario
747
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.000
where Drew McIntyre wins and turns heel
in the process, and I can also
748
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:44.920
see scenario with Seth Freakin Rollins wins
and Drew McIntyre turns here on the process.
749
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.199
Nonetheless, I think the end result
is Drew McIntyre turn and heel.
750
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.480
But I'm gonna take Seth Freaking Rollalinds
retaining, So I have SFR retaining dow
751
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.440
to Trey. Now, does that
mean you have Drew joining Judgment Day or
752
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.159
Drew just going heel on his own. I just think he joins as I
753
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.360
don't think he joins Joe Day.
I think he just goes heel on his
754
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.800
own. I would like to see
like Jesuit Day go continental where you have
755
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.199
like the three people from the United
Kingdom do their own thing, and then
756
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.679
Damian, Dominic and Rea do their
own thing to a degree. But uh,
757
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.840
similar to what Nexus broke up and
you got the core out of Nexus,
758
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.400
but like, I'm taking Seth to
get the win and basically back entire
759
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.840
snapping post match and just beating down
Seth and you do the full fledged heels
760
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.960
turn afterwards. And then finally the
main event for the undisputed w A Universal
761
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:36.199
Championship, Roman Reigns defense against l
A. Knight. Yeah, Doctor Trey,
762
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.039
who do you like in this one? This has been tricky for me
763
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.800
because I could see them pulling the
trigger on this La Night thing. But
764
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.599
it's maybe it's kind of like Cody, like the baby face needs more obstacles
765
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.400
to overcome, and we start at
WrestleMania. So I'm gonna take Roman retaining
766
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.079
to kind of like La Knight.
It's got to chase it again and build
767
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:59.119
up a little more obstacles from overcome
before he gets to full fledged victory.
768
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:04.679
So I'll take Roman retaining Crown Jewel. I like him taking Roman reigns as
769
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.679
well. And for those following at
home, that means Doctor Trey and I
770
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:13.559
both had predictions the same for every
single match. There you go, folks
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w Crowndewel, which we will recap
and review on next week's edition of SRTU.
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Enjoy the show this Saturday afternoon,
the Saturday morning, the Saturday night,
773
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whenever you decide to watch it.
Would that say let's get a couple
774
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Well, like Jeff said, you
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on Team Next of Kin, and
then the follow weekend, Spartan Championship Wrestlings
787
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has their big show with a bunch
of cage matches, So I'm looking forward
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to being involved in both those shows
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get you ready for Full Gear Survivor
Series, and recap everything going on
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