WWE SummerSlam Fallout, Brock Lesnar Retires & Did Jon Moxley Save AEW? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #860 – 8/6/26

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It's still really a big damage to him!

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What now?

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Welcome everybody!

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Welcome to this week's edition of the StoRolda show

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Observe 860 for August 6, 2026

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This is your WWE SummerSlam recap and review edition

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of SRT News

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I am one after the show. I am Jeff Peck

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joined every single week in my co-hosts

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the lonely Dr. Trey Franklin.

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Dr. Trey, oh what they can only hear before this show

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even begins my friend.

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[Laughter]

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Oh yeah, we've been talking about this for a decade

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not weathercast.

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We have never done

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you and I being die-hard sports. We have never done a sports podcast.

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I know, yeah.

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Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah.

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Which is by the way, one of the weirdest introductions we've done.

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Like nothing crazy, nothing like Dr. Trey.

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What would you think about this? No, no.

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If only the people could hear what we talk about after.

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Just two old dads talking about baseball and cars and work

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and say, oh I didn't even tell you,

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Sammy got lost on the bus today.

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Oh no.

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Yeah, he's found.

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He's found? Yeah, yeah.

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Like literally, like there was about an hour

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where we had no idea where he was. Holy cow.

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That is every parents' worst nightmare.

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It was.

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Did you do, not a silver alert, amber alert?

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No, it didn't go that far.

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It literally like we call,

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because this is the first year he was riding the bus

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and the school decided to wait until two days

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before the school year started to start

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figuring out the bus routes.

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Oh, that makes sense. Wait, he's back at school?

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Yeah, he started. He started today was his first day back.

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August 6th, folks. I mean, here in the north,

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it's a different story.

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Yeah, but he gets out in like May.

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Yeah, yeah. It's like a college kid.

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Yeah, but actually the colleges don't start back

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until next week. Here in Alabama,

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he's ahead of almost everybody.

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So we didn't.

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So they were supposed to college yesterday

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to say, hey, this is the bus he's going to be on.

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This is what time they run.

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They never called.

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So we took Sammy to school this morning.

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I went to work.

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Wife went up to school to figure out the bus situation.

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They get it all sorted out.

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They let us know what bus he's supposed to be on.

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What rowdy's on and what time he's going to get home.

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Well, the wife calls me at 315.

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She's like, there hasn't been a bus that's come by here yet.

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I don't know where Sammy is.

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So she calls.

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She calls what they she reaches out to what they call the bus

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barn, which is where all the buses go to park

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at the end of the day.

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Yeah, and they have a person overseas it.

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And she contacts them.

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And so they start looking for buses trying to figure out

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where he's at.

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So they actually called the bus driver of the bus that he's

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assigned to and the guy's driving.

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He's like, I don't see anybody on my bus right now.

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I'm actually headed back towards the shop.

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He goes, give me a few minutes.

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Like he goes, I'll pull over.

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I'll do a search of the bus.

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And but I don't see anybody on here.

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So sure enough, like another 10 minutes goes by.

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He gets he's able to get off the road, look.

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And then they're saying he's just same age

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just kind of crouched down in his seat and it was half a sleep.

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And the bus driver didn't know him because he's brand new.

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Thought he was a different kid than it

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had already gotten off the bus.

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And so turns around, calls Megan, let it say no.

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Hey, you know, we're going to bring Sammy back.

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He's on his way.

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We'll be there about 15 minutes.

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She bring-- and then bus pulls up.

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Door is open.

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Sammy jumps off the bus smiling.

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Like what happens?

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I know the park.

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Yeah, like no big deal.

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Like you just had the best old time traveling around.

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And like when I got home, she goes, you know this is your fault.

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I said, what do you mean?

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She was like, no, no, no.

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She's like, I'm happy he wasn't freaked out.

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But she goes, you load him up and take him everywhere.

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Like to North Carolina.

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And like all these places you guys travel to,

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he just riding along.

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He's just going for the ride.

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He doesn't even know where he's going.

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He's just so cool.

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But yeah, for about an hour, I was freaking out.

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I think I cussed out.

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It's kind of a blur.

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I think I cussed out.

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I called the school, nobody--

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I called his school at 4, 10 in the afternoon,

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not a single person picked up.

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What?

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Jeez.

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, I kind of laid into it.

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I'm like, yeah, my son was supposed to be--

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you guys were supposed to put my son on the bus today.

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There's been no buses come by my house.

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Nobody knows where my kid is.

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How are you guys going to fn fix this situation?

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That's not like--

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they lost his backpack, they lost him.

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Yeah, we lost a child.

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And then it's like--

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I mean, it's been three hours.

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You know the school has still not called me back yet?

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I'm assuming somebody relayed the information to the school.

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That's why they didn't call back.

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But I also think there are--

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I have a reputation at that school

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that I'm not a violent person, but I will make you feel

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like the biggest idiot in the world verbally.

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I mean, we made it--

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I made a teacher quit.

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I made a teacher quit.

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From a tongue lashing I gave her.

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So yeah.

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But he is home.

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He is safe.

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We actually downloaded a half onto his phone

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where anytime he gets home and where your mom and dad

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aren't there yet.

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His brother's always-- his 19-year-old brother's always here.

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But he's like, hey, if you get home,

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you get a lot nervous.

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Here's a half.

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Download it.

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You can call us.

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You can text us.

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It's parent-friendly.

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So it's a really cool little app.

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So he's been playing on it the last three hours

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since we got to home and set up.

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Overall, how was your day?

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He's like, it was great.

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I loved it.

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I had fun on the bus.

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Yeah, I'm sure you did.

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I'm sure you did.

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Yeah, well--

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It's great to be oblivious.

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Wow, the life of a parent.

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We're hard drops in the year's stomach.

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There you go.

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The wonderful world of parenting folks.

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Hopefully for those that are not parents out there,

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if you're listening to this, this

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is the trials and tribulations that await.

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I've not been there yet, but I've had my fair share

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of what the hell moment is.

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Makes you want to put an eye tag on your kid.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You have the Apple air tags.

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You have to go get a bunch of them off of Apple

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and put them in their crocs or whatever.

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So there you go.

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I mean, no easier way to segue into summer slam.

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I don't know.

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I got lost in this weekend.

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Sam, you got lost on the bus.

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I don't even do it.

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But anyway, definitely summer slam recap

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and review of this past Saturday and Sunday

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from US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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Let's go through the results here.

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Live Morgan-- a night one.

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Live Morgan defeats EO Scott.

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It retained the women's world championship.

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I'd live Morgan, Dr. EO Sky.

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LA Knight Solosiko and Royce Keys defeat Jacob Fattu

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and the Usos.

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I, Jacob Fattu and the Usos, Dr.

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trade LA Knight Solosiko and Royce Keys.

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Gunther defeats Nick Aldis.

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We both had Gunther, fatal influence.

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Defeats the Bell twins and Paige.

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We both had the Bell twins and Paige.

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CM Punk defeats Cody Rhodes, retain the NSVW E-Champion

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chip.

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We both had CM Punk and Oba Femi defeats Brock Lesnar

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in a Hell in a Cell match.

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We both had Oba Femi.

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We both went four and two.

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We'll go through some of the full recap here in just a few minutes.

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But on the onset here, Dr.

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trade, match of the night event ratings for Summer's

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Lamp Saturday.

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I gave it a 4.2 out of five.

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And my match of the night, I thought it stalled the show,

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was Live Morgan and EO Sky, which was a tough call,

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because I really enjoyed CM Punk versus Cody Rhodes as well.

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Yeah, and then this is where we differed.

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So I actually did go CM Punk and Cody Rhodes,

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and partially because of the Randy Orton stuff.

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You know, die hard, long time Randy Orton fans

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was seeing Randy back.

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It makes my heart feel good.

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And it also solves the problem that United

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talked about last week.

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How do you have this match finish and have both guys still

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be baby faces afterwards?

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And that was a good way to set it up.

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I actually had it a 4.1.

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I enjoyed the show.

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I thought it was very solid.

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But for me, the big takeaway would

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be that there wasn't anything that-- I mean, the Oba Brock

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stuff at the end, like five years from now, will probably

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be more memorable than it is right now,

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like the passing of the torch.

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But not really like a match of the year candidate on this card.

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So it was a solid show, well-built show, well-structured show,

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but just nothing to them.

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Like, oh, that was amazing.

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I can't believe that happened.

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We will certainly peel through some of these matches here

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in the big moments and everything that happened afterwards

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here in just a moment as we go through night, too.

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Sunday, August the second after tray.

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This was originally a 1-on-1 match.

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Sami Zayn versus Finn Balor.

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But it became a fatal 4-way with Gunther involved

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and the returning Kevin Owens.

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Kevin Owens defeats Sami Zayn, Finn Balor,

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and Gunther in a fatal 4-way match

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to be the new number one contender to the NSP WWE Championship.

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Both Dr. Trey and I had Finn Balor,

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because obviously we didn't know Gunther or Kevin Owens

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was gonna be in it.

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Baron Corbin defeats Trick Williams to win the United States

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Championship.

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We both had Baron Corbin.

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Chelsea Green defeats Tiffany Straton,

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Jade Cargill, Shrouda Flare and Lash Legend in a five-woman

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ladder match to win the Interom WWE Women's Championship.

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We both had Chelsea Green, Dan Housen defeats Dominic

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Mysterio in a human monies on a pole match.

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to win the Intercontinental Championship.

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We both had Chad Gable.

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However, we did not have him celebrating

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with a mug group here afterwards.

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Roman Reigns defeats Seth Rollins

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to retain the World Heavyweight Championship.

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We both had Roman Reigns.

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Both went five and one on this.

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We come out of the weekend, Dr. Trey.

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I'm up 34 and 15 in the PPV prediction record.

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You are 33 and 16.

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A vent rating and match of the night.

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I loved this night of Summer Slam.

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I give it a 4.3 and my match of the night

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was Roman Reigns versus Seth Rollins.

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What say you?

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- So I actually had it higher.

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I had a 4.4 so I'm a little bit higher.

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Mainly because I got Kevin Owens

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of Sammy Zane back in the same ring again.

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That was my match of the night and that was my field

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good moment.

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17 months away from the ring.

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God, I missed having Kevin Owens around.

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In-ring-wise, Roman and Seth was a better in-ring match

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but I go back into the fields.

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You put those two guys in the ring

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and you could damn near put any.

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You could put Kevin Owens of Sammy Zane

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in that match with Dan Housen and Dominic

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and made it human money's on a pole four way match.

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I'd probably have been my match tonight.

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Just seeing Kevin Owens back got me really happy.

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And then plus the prospect of a Kevin Owens

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CM Punk World title feud like on paper on the microphone.

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That might be mine in Jeff's SRTU Dream scenario.

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Those two guys going at it.

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- Absolutely.

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So there you go.

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It's so far Summer Slam on the WWE front

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is the highest rated show for both of us

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right now, Dr. Trey.

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Again, I went rains and Rollins, Dr. Trey

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went the fatal four way to open up the show.

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From a WWE standpoint, not really shocking here

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to say that this has probably been their best PLE

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so far this year.

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- Yeah, not really surprising.

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And just kind of like, just kind of the show,

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they're starting to really,

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I don't say they're starting to invest in Summer Slam

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but it does have a much better a-off

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than maybe some years past where Russell

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mainly kind of outshined it.

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This kind of felt like the first really solid

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from beginning to end Summer Slam that we've had

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in a few years.

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There really, I mean, you can make jokes about

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Dan House and Dominic Mysterio

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and all the mini-housings and everything else

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and you know, giant head JD and all that

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but really from top to bottom,

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just a really, really solid show.

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And you know, plus I guess getting Kevin Owens back

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makes me as a wrestling fan super happy.

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- Yeah, yeah, it was great to see Kevin Owens

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back in there and then seeing the Seth Rollins.

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- Excuse me, the Kevin Owens,

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CM Punk match in the future is gonna be a ton of fun.

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So some talking points coming out of this doctor tray.

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The first being here, WWE's two world championship pictures

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now have clear directions.

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You have Randy Orton return and Coss Cody Rhodes,

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the NSP WWE Championship,

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allowing CM Punk to retain

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and immediately spinning Cody into another major program,

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opening up the stuff there with him and Orton.

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Kevin Owens surprises return,

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surprise return in Fatal Four-Away victory,

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Stalasimus Punk's next challenger.

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Roman finally defeated Seth cleanly,

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but Ellie and I confronted him on RAW,

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called him a fraud and demanded a title opportunity.

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Going back to the Punk KO match,

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does the Punk KO feel?

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Does Punk KO feel like a major title rivalry

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or merely a bridge to something bigger?

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- Right now with both guys,

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kind of being baby faced again,

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it does kind of feel like a bridge.

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I don't see unless something drastic happens

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in KO's size with Sammy.

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I kind of see this as just,

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hey, we're doing this match to possibly set up

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another four-way at some point,

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you know, or some kind of angle

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and falling involving Sammy.

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I mean, as you and I know this,

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like it's really hard for them

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to always keep Sammy and Kevin apart.

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So it just kind of feels,

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and plus with Kevin coming back from a neck injury,

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you kind of want him in there with guys he trusts and knows,

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and you know, that four-way with Finn,

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he knows Finn for years, he's known Sammy.

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Gunther's kind of the aberration in that.

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If this spins into a four-way with,

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you know, Gunther, Sammy, Kevin and Punk at some point,

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that might be a path, you got Finn Bellar picture.

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To me, it does like a placeholder for something else,

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coming out of Somerslam heading into survivor series.

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- And then which direction is more compelling to you?

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I think you've already shared this answer.

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Punk KO with Cody Orren Branching Off,

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or Roman LA Knight with the Bloodline Stoleuming.

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- I mean, for me, and this is once again kind of emotional,

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it's Punk and KO.

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Like this is kind of, we never got Punk and Stone Cold.

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You know, remember they had teased it years ago

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and then never happened.

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This to me from a fandom standpoint

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of the 2000 generation is kind of like my dream match scenario

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to watching these two guys go at it.

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The Roman LA Knight stuff is interesting because,

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I don't know about you, we've had so many false starts

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with LA Knight, I just don't see them pulling the trigger now.

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But the stuff with KO and Punk,

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and then you have the Sammy, the Finn, the Gunther,

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like the top of that Smackdown card right now

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is really, really loaded

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and they have a lot of different directions

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they can go with it.

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- Yeah, it's an interesting time.

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I think this will be bleeding into some of the other stuff

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that we'll talk about here, but I do, you know,

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you've kind of already acknowledged

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that the creative direction with the WWE

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seems pretty clean, cut, and interesting.

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There, you've got a looming top of the card

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that could be really good.

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And then there's some stuff underneath that's bubbling

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with the younger stars

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and they're making it focal that has me excited as well.

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This could be a pretty strong fall into early winter

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heading into WrestleMania 43 season before you know,

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because here we are in August,

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it's time that they start to think about these things.

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They basically got one more true quarter left of WWE,

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the Survivor Series build,

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and then one Survivor Series has passed,

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then it's full steam head towards the rumble

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and WrestleMania where, you know,

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seats are gonna be planted.

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So really intriguing times coming out of Summer's Lama,

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it's pretty exciting.

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Other news and notes here, Dr. Tray W. E. Cron,

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Oba Femi is its next unstoppable force,

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Oba defeated Brock in their rubber match

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and received Brock's public endorsement,

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but did the underwhelming match?

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I found this match to be very underwhelming.

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Did it fully deliver the career-making moment

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WWE wanted it?

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And before I get your thoughts on here,

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I will just say that I heard a different viewpoint on this.

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It came from Brian Alvarez,

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Wrestling Observer Newsletter,

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and he said that his thoughts about it was,

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it was basically underwhelming or lopsided

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how I determined it that way,

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because they wanted Oba to look strong,

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and that Brock put him over a clean,

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Brock beat the shit out of him,

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and Oba kicks out,

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Oba does one fall from Grace Powerbomb,

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and one, two, three, it's over,

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and Brock says farewell in the match.

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Where did you, where did you, to me?

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I felt that was an intriguing point

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I did not think of in real time.

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I just felt like it should have gone a little bit longer

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and the finish was like, oh wow, that's what they're going with.

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I felt it was a little bit underwhelming,

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but did you think it delivered that career-making moment

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that's what we wanted?

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I don't know if the match itself did,

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and I totally understand why they booked it that way,

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because, and this is something you and I've talked about

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for years now when we do PLEs,

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and you know, you got Roman Reigns kicking out of six F-5s.

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Is it really a finisher if you're kicking out of six of them?

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You know, Cena was notorious for that.

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You know, we've seen Seth do that.

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Like, we've seen a lot of the top guys do that over the years.

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And so when you get a moment like that,

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whereas like one big move and a guy like Brock Lesnar's going down,

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you're kind of like, what really?

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I mean, even when Goldberg pinned Lesnar is one spear,

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you know, and it's like, what, that was the Goldberg

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with one spear on the feed.

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What, that's it?

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Like, they do that to try and make the guy like strong.

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So I get that.

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I think the career-defining moment is the post match

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more than anything else.

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The literal passing of the torch from Brock to,

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oh, I think that might be much more the career-defining moment.

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More so than the hell, like in the, in the, in the long history

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of the Hell and the Cell matches, this one's not up there.

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But that moment does kind of stand out much like, you know,

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WrestleMania 28, you know, when you get Michael's Undertaker,

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like I don't remember the Undertaker Triple H match,

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but I remember that moment on the stage

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with the three of them standing there together.

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And wrestling is more about moments.

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And I think that moments with Brock and Oba

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is going to be more defining than anything else.

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>> Dr. Trey has Oba officially become a main event star

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or does he still need a World Championship program

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to complete the transition?

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>> I, I think you can say he's a main event guy.

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Like if you said, hey, we're doing Brock

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and we're doing Oba and, Oba and Roman,

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as Survivor Series.

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I think people are gonna buy that.

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I think if you said we're doing Oba and Gunther,

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people are buying in.

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I think a World title run will add to the legacy.

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And he'll need it at some point to validate his main event status.

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But I think right now on paper, you can go,

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this guy won King of the Ring already,

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two-time NXT Champion, just ended Brock Lesnar's career.

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He's a main event guy.

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He just needs, he'll need a title run within the next year

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to kind of validate his standing in the company.

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>> And then lastly here on Raw,

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Oba declared that the Beast could finally arrest

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before sharing an intense stare down with Braun Breaker,

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is Oba, Braun the biggest fresh rivalry WWE

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can present right now?

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>> I don't know about you.

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I would almost rather see Jacob and Oba.

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>> Wow. >> Look, I like Braun Breaker.

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>> But Braun stock has dropped.

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>> A little bit and a lot of us because

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of the injuries with the vision,

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that last match was Seth, some things like that,

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kind of have brought the start on.

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And Jacob, look, look, four months ago,

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Jacob was the hottest thing in WWE.

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Right before Oba came on the scene.

520
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,760
But I think Jacob's has dropped a little bit.

521
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,760
I think just the contrast of how meticulous and powerful Oba is,

522
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,720
versus how frenzied and powerful Jacob is.

523
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,040
Is a really cool contrast plus, we've never seen that match.

524
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,600
We've seen Oba and Braun in NXT.

525
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,680
I think that happened, I'm pretty sure that happened.

526
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,280
Maybe it was a fever dream.

527
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,560
>> I don't know, but I do think that happened.

528
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,040
>> I do think that happened. >> Oba versus Braun in NXT.

529
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,960
Did that happen?

530
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,960
>> Let me check. >> I thought they crossed paths,

531
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,320
at least once in NXT.

532
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,480
They may have been. >> You may be right.

533
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,280
>> Cross paths.

534
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:19,560
But Jacob and Oba have never been in the ring together,

535
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,400
at all.

536
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,160
And I think to me, that'd be the more intriguing matchup.

537
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,960
Plus, especially if you're leading into an Oba Roman feud.

538
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,200
Like to me, that's a better fresh storytelling angle.

539
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,520
But I also figure like they're holding that up for

540
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,040
one of the big four PLEs.

541
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:41,160
So, but the great thing about this is, is if you do Oba and

542
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:46,000
Braun, it's actually Oba versus the vision, which gives Oba obstacles to overcome,

543
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,920
which then leads to him still being one of the biggest baby faces in the company.

544
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,240
>> I don't see anything in NXT where Braun and Oba wrestled.

545
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,120
>> I thought.

546
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:57,200
>> I know, I thought so too.

547
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,120
>> Who did Braun, so Braun lost to Carmelo?

548
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:02,640
>> Yes.

549
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,120
>> And then-

550
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:06,640
>> Oba lost a Tony D.

551
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,040
>> But then, so because Braun's a two time NXT champion as well.

552
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,720
So he lost to Carmelo the first time.

553
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000
He got it back and then dropped it again before he came to the main roster by camera,

554
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:17,920
but who he dropped it to.

555
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,080
>> Yeah, I don't see anything.

556
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,720
Yeah, I could have sworn that there was a possibility that, but

557
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,560
memory is as good as it used to be as we've discussed.

558
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,600
It's interesting that you brought up that you're more interested than Jacob Fattu.

559
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,880
And Jacob Fattu over Braun Breaker because I think if we asked you December, January,

560
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,120
I think the answer, at least for me, would have been Braun.

561
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,320
And I haven't seen the season yet.

562
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,000
WWE Unreal, the stuff that I've read basically said that the plan was for

563
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480
there was a plan that was thrown out there, I should say, for

564
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,800
Braun Breaker to win the Royal Rumble and win the World Heavyweight Championship.

565
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Like that is what they wanted to push.

566
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,840
And it didn't happen.

567
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,800
He didn't win the Rumble, got injured shortly thereafter as you had pointed out.

568
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,800
Missed the match with Seth Rollins returning from injury for WrestleMania.

569
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,440
That's why they went Seth and Gunther.

570
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,720
And then once he got into the Seth Rollins feud, I mean,

571
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,200
the last match the blowoff was Seth defeating Braun Breaker clean in the steel cage.

572
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,160
Seth goes off to the World Championship.

573
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,040
Braun is just kind of like fuddling around with the vision,

574
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,560
which is just completely weak due to injuries and is now like a tight team champion with awesome theory.

575
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:24,280
And but this could be the this could be the few that that launches Braun Breaker up there.

576
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,240
I think the long-term investment for Braun Breaker is worth the investment.

577
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:34,720
So I'm looking at this feud of is the timing right like we're as excited as we are right now.

578
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,080
Like if we had Oben now and Braun from January, I think we'd be like,

579
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,520
oh shit, this is like a future WrestleMania main event.

580
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,000
And I still think it is, but this could be a few that is used to catapult and

581
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,120
launch Braun Breaker back to where I believe he should be.

582
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,560
weren't they the first two scheduled to be in the rumble didn't Oba come out first and then Braun came out second,

583
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,760
they got attacked.

584
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:57,600
You're right about that.

585
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,240
Yeah. So Braun got attacked by the mass man and then Oba eliminated him.

586
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,840
Yep.

587
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
And the crowd in the crowd, you remember, Oba's in the ring.

588
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,920
Crows and then you hear Braun Breaker's music and the crowd got super excited for it.

589
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:14,440
Like the crowd got up and you don't really see that for the first two guys in a rumble.

590
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,080
And then they did the injury angle to kind of protect Braun Breaker.

591
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:26,840
You know, from getting eliminated because that was their way of not having him get eliminated in the rumble was taking him out before it started.

592
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:33,920
So it's something they've teased and something they've alluded to is just I do feel like, and it's no fault.

593
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,200
I don't outside the injury.

594
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,920
I don't really blame Braun Breaker for getting injured.

595
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,840
Not just bad luck.

596
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,640
It was just it's just been bad timing.

597
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,120
Now the interesting thing is the Paul Hamen factor in this as well.

598
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:50,040
We like you saw it on raw or bronze calling him Oba's new best friend and all that stuff.

599
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:59,040
And we've seen the Hamen kind of distancing the distancing himself from the vision for the last few weeks.

600
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,600
So that is this is this a turn where Paul Hamen real lines with the vision against Oba.

601
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,280
Does Paul eventually go with Oba?

602
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:14,800
You know, like that that parts interesting, but it does feel like Braun Breaker's lost a little bit of that luster that was on him.

603
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,440
You know earlier this year, but it's not something that he can't regain.

604
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,680
It's just we're all waiting for him to break out again.

605
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,320
And it's just he's been kind of stuck in that vision mud right now.

606
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,120
Interesting thoughts.

607
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,640
You're on Oba and Braun Breaker.

608
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,760
Feel free to chime in over at the Patreon page and the comment section patreon.com/srtupodcast.

609
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:42,480
Last thing I want to talk about here looking back at Somersethalam Dr. Trey was the women's division looks completely different after one weekend.

610
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,000
Libertane against EO and one of Saturday's Saturday's best matches.

611
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,760
Only to have Becky Lynch and Stephanie Vaakor return on RAW and immediately enter the championship picture.

612
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:57,400
Chelsea Green finally received her signature championship moment by Altsmaren in the field and winning the Interim WWE Women's Championship,

613
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,840
which was a great book match by the way.

614
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Like it felt like she was going to win and then the Mieschen and beef up come down.

615
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Prevent it from winning.

616
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,800
I'm like, ah, there you go.

617
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,400
And then as you watch it unfold, you're like, oh, they're going to do a little bait and switch and they did.

618
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,120
She climbed the ladder and won it.

619
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:16,840
The Bella Twins attacked Paige after their loss, but Breeze broke in shoulder scapula.

620
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,720
Now complicates the direction of that story and Nikki's immediate future.

621
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,720
The Bella just cannot catch a break.

622
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,240
One gets her after another.

623
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,960
It's amazing.

624
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,280
I mean, Breeze out basically for the rest of 2026 at this point.

625
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,360
I think it's like a three to six month time frame, she said.

626
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:35,440
So with that said, Dr. Trey, which program should take priority?

627
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:44,440
Live Becky Vaakor, Chelsea's Interim title reign or Paige Steakine Revenge against Nikki?

628
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,440
I'm more invested in the live Becky Stephanie stuff.

629
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,760
I mean, we talk about Stephanie Vaakor was the hottest act in wrestling in 2025.

630
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,360
And then because of the injuries, we haven't seen her since WrestleMania.

631
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:02,480
Becky Lynch in what, 2021?

632
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,480
What was the man, the big thing, the 19th?

633
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,000
It was before the pandemic, yeah.

634
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,920
Like 19, 18, 19.

635
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,280
I mean, arguably the biggest star women's wrestling has produced.

636
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,400
We've never seen anybody attain those heights that she has.

637
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,320
And then you have Liv Morgan, who's kind of become the standard bearer in the women's division in a lot of ways.

638
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:30,400
So I'm more excited about that one because we saw a little bit of the man come back around Monday night.

639
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,920
You also got Becky Lynch in there and then the live factor.

640
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,400
I was like, I'm really excited.

641
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,520
And then plus, you never know when the AJ Lee side will pop back up into this as well.

642
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,120
So I mean, that's a really solid top four of that division.

643
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,560
And that's not even counting EO who, at any point, could cycle back up.

644
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,480
You still got the new version of Lyra Valquiri.

645
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,440
So there's a lot of intriguing entry in that top of that raw division, but

646
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:05,880
Liv, Stephanie and Becky, I think that's, I don't want to say past, present and future of the division because none of them are really past their brine.

647
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,800
But it's kind of is the evolution of the top of that card over the last eight years.

648
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,760
If anyone can use a little bit of a bump right now, I think it's Liv Morgan.

649
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,520
Liv did not defend the title for 100 days for whatever reason, creative.

650
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,520
Was she hurt?

651
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,480
I have no idea where they weighed in on 70.cor.

652
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Like I'm a huge live Morgan fan. I think she is in line to be in consideration for the female wrestler of the year.

653
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,640
And she needs a good solid feud and match that is submits that.

654
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,200
I mean, and she really, she said some good moments.

655
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,040
But when you look at some matches up until the EO sky stuff on Saturday, it's been a little bit few and far between.

656
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960
And that feud with her and EO, like it had a ton of potential.

657
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,880
And they, I felt like they did nothing with it.

658
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,160
So I'm with the doctor.

659
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:56,960
I think the Liv Becky Vakor program needs to take priority because that's an exciting program on paper.

660
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:03,560
If everybody could be involved and be in there, I think that's going to be a ton of fun because those are some of the top female wrestlers in the world today.

661
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,360
So I agree with you.

662
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,760
Liv Becky Vakor.

663
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:15,360
Again, feel free to chime in over at the comment section on this page of where the podcast is over at patreon.com/srtupodcast.

664
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:20,160
That's obviously one of the big pieces of news that came out here. This is the second time that she was talking about it.

665
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560
It's like Brett Farve is back in the NFL.

666
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:29,360
Brock Lesnar's retirement did Summerslam deliver the right final chapter for the beast.

667
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:35,560
Brock officially announces retirement on the pack Mac if he show confirming that his element of assault loss to Oba Femme was his final match.

668
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:42,160
The match itself was underwhelming as we've discussed, but Brock lost cleanly embraced Oba and declared him the future.

669
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,960
Did accomplishing the larger story matter more than delivering a classic match?

670
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,960
Yeah, I mean, for the most part, most guys is last match.

671
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,960
I mean, outside of the, you know, John C, the top guys, the matches are usually not that great.

672
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,760
You know, you can argue, I mean, if you count Shawn Michaels, Rick Flair has Rick Flair's last match.

673
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Yeah, there's a motion.

674
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:14,960
Shawn Michaels, WrestleMania 26, you know, there are moments where the match is fantastic and lives up to the expectation of what a final match would be.

675
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:25,960
But for most part, it's a little bit, you know, kind of the moment of the passing of the torch, I think defines the Brock Lesnar that we've seen.

676
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Kind of progress over the years.

677
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,360
Like, I don't think if you had told me back in was a twem, I'm, you're the history, you're more the historian.

678
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Brock came back in what 2007?

679
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,160
He came back in 2000 and let me thank you at WrestleMania 28.

680
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,360
So that was 2011.

681
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,360
So for 12.

682
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:54,760
Okay, so if you told me, yeah, if you told me in 2011 with that opening night with him and John Cena and the brawl and all that stuff,

683
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:02,560
that we would get a Brock Lesnar who is concerned about the future of professional wrestling as he traversed the end of his career.

684
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,360
I would have said you're out of your damn mind.

685
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,560
Brock was just, you know, in and for the money.

686
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:14,560
But I really think over the last couple of years, we've seen a Brock Lesnar who started thinking more about the business and less about himself.

687
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:30,560
And I think that moment at Hell in the Cell or the post Hell in the Cell match, the Summer Slam, kind of defines who this new, who this last incarnation of Brock Lesnar was where he understood what his stature in wrestling meant.

688
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:37,960
And how much it meant to help elevate those people in those feuds with him and make the most of those moments.

689
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,560
I think that's kind of a, this is not the Brock Lesnar that wrestled Dean Ambrose.

690
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,560
No.

691
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:58,560
There's a different Brock Lesnar that we've seen over the last three, four years kind of help progress these guys along, move them up the ladder and give, you know, whether it's Cody or, you know, Oba now that stamp of approval that, hey, this is,

692
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,960
it's almost like the Undertaker stamp like this is one of my guys.

693
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,560
I believe in this guy.

694
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,060
I think he's the right way to go and good for the business.

695
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:15,560
But even, you know, Brock Lesnar Roman Reigns, a couple years ago, Summer Slam, you know, with the, the Forklift spot, you know, like the, the bulldozer spot, whatever that would,

696
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,560
bulldozer spot.

697
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Like that's a Brock that really had a lot of fun the last few years and really enjoyed working with guys and putting that stamp on him.

698
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,560
That's not the same Brock we saw in 2011 and 2012.

699
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Where does Brock rank among wrestling's great subtractions after becoming a 10 time world champion winning two Royal Rumbles and ending the Undertaker's wrestle Mania Strick?

700
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,560
Top 15.

701
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Yeah, I think I don't know if I've put him in top 10.

702
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,560
No, I don't think so.

703
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,560
He's in that, he's in that 11 to 14 range, I would think.

704
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:58,560
And I think a lot of the, like there are moments of Brock Lesnar's career where I'm like, that guy was having fun. Boombox Brock, you know, that, that was a fun time for Brock.

705
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Like, but I think what, and even going back to the early run in the early 2000s, you know, the Kurt Angle Brock Lesnar feud, I just saw a clip of when he made a Kurt Angle spit milk all over some pretty girl.

706
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:24,560
Yeah, like there are moments in there where you're like, man, this guy could really be truly the next big mega star and redefine professional wrestling because there's never been an athlete like Brock Lesnar in professional wrestling.

707
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:38,560
But the gap in between between when he went to the Vikings, by the way, I may be the comment last week that I really hope they have some Minnesota Viking Brock Lesnar jerseys and I saw them at SummerSlam.

708
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,560
So thank you guys for listening to show and figure out a way to monetize my thoughts and not cut me in on it.

709
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:59,560
But that gap of wrestling UFC lessened maybe his impact on this, but if he had wrestled all the way through there, I mean, he probably would have been top five, top eight, you know, but that gap does lessen it.

710
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:10,560
But I don't know if there's ever been somebody that people really thought it was real when Brock Lesnar was doing it more so than Brock Lesnar.

711
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,560
My favorite Brock Lesnar era was 2002 to 2004 Brock when he left.

712
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,560
That was the bet. I think that was the best period of time.

713
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:31,560
And I think if he stuck with professional wrestling during that same time frame, he is an all time great. Maybe I think we look at him top 15 top 20 if he stuck around maybe he's top 10 top five.

714
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,560
And I think it really matters to him what he did outside of professional wrestling, trying out in the NFL, being on the practice squad.

715
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:46,560
Not you know, it didn't work, but like that's insane for somebody who had not played in the NFL played football in like five, six, seven, eight years, whatever it was.

716
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,560
And then him doing what he did, he had him play, yeah, say he on places junior high. Yeah, for the biking.

717
00:33:52,560 --> 00:34:05,560
And then for him to go into the UFC as somebody that had no other may background and when the UFC heavyweight championship that run in UFC was like insane and fun and entertaining and historic.

718
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:14,560
When he returned to WWE, there was I feel like there's a lot of downs at times and there were certainly the ups. It was him being the champ.

719
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:22,560
I did not like Brock as champion him going away. I think that really was a bad period of time and they were establishing stars him winning the match of wrestling.

720
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:34,560
So many 30 was like insane and meant in the streak. You know, you point out when he did baby face Brock, that was a lot of fun in the last couple years when he's been back has been good as well.

721
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:41,560
But I just look back at that 2002 to 2004 error Brock Lesnar and I there's a lot of good stuff that he did during that time frame.

722
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:49,560
I'm ever going to a Smackdown show at the Hartford Civic Center and it was coming out of Somersetham, 2002 when he lost to the big show.

723
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:57,560
And I watched him F5 the big show onto like an announce table. I remember I could see it still today.

724
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:07,560
And then when he came back in 11 or 12, he came back in 2012 by the way, I screw that up my apologies. I'll see myself out.

725
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:15,560
I made a point to go when he was coming to MSG because he did not do live events when they did that special on the WWE network like live at Madison Square Garden.

726
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:23,560
I was there and he took on the big show. I was at money in the bank at the Hartford Civic Center again when he won money the bank and wasn't supposed to be the match.

727
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:29,560
And people complained about it afterwards, but I was in the arena and when his music hit the place went absolutely insane.

728
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560
He's an all-time great for sure.

729
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Again, there were certainly some downs that Second Run had some downs when he'd be, you know, just kind of it felt like he was just in it for the money.

730
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,560
And then when he was having fun, you were having fun. And again, I love that first time he was in WWE.

731
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:56,560
So yeah, an all-time great Dr. Trey. It already feels like a WWE Hall of Fame induction is inevitable.

732
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:04,560
How quickly do we think it should happen? And is there anyone outside of Paul Heyman that should be inducting him?

733
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,560
I mean, to me, the only other person would be Kurt Angle.

734
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:15,560
But that's if Paul's inducting somebody else, if Paul has to pull, otherwise it has to be Paul Heyman.

735
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:27,560
The only other backup to me would be Kurt Angle because that rivalry in 2003, 2002, what was it? It was a WrestleMania 22?

736
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,560
Did one when he broke his neck? Or did the shooting star press?

737
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,560
Oh, that was 19 in the match with the Angle.

738
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,560
19.

739
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Yeah. So, I mean, really, that's the same. I think the history, because that was always the comparison. Angle and Brock.

740
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:55,560
So that's the only other logical choice to induct him. My question is, do you do a Hall of Fame induction in Saudi Arabia for Brock Lesnar or do you wait till you come back?

741
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,560
I don't think he gives a shit. Brock, I don't think he gives a shit.

742
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:11,560
I mean, do they pay the guys to come to come? If Brock's got to leave Manitoba to go to Saudi Arabia just to get inducted into Hall of Fame,

743
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:22,560
I think you got to pay him still pretty good to come do that. It might be a more cost-effective maneuver to wait a year and do it when you're backstage side.

744
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:32,560
It may be. I feel like they're going to go with that. Or maybe he'll be in New York City for the NXT Interpolation. They do the Hall of Fame there. Who knows what they're going to do.

745
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:42,560
So we go on all-time great Brock Lesnar hanging him up for the second time this year and there's still reports out there today that basically if Brock wants to come, there was the feeling that Brock is not completely done.

746
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Whether that be another match or the Hall of Fame induction, we'll say. He's earned it and he's earned a lot of money during this time.

747
00:37:52,560 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaking to Dean Ambrose, Dr. Trius, switching gears to AEW, there was an interesting interview from Daniel Garcia. He had an interview with Fightful where he said John's Moxley saved AEW after AEW lost its fans some goodwill with fans.

748
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:19,560
Garcia acknowledged that AEW reached a period where it lost significance a goodwill and no longer felt like the true alternative to WWE that fans had originally supported.

749
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:29,560
Garcia credited Moxley with recognizing the problem taking control and helping turn the company around, although Garcia declined to share the complete story behind what Moxley told him.

750
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:39,560
So as we look at this Dr. Tri, do we look at this and say yes, John Moxley did save AEW and helped regain that goodwill.

751
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:52,560
As has AEW and your mind truly recovered, its lost goodwill merely stabilize its audience or still fail to address the creative consistency that caused fans to disconnect in the first place.

752
00:38:52,560 --> 00:39:07,560
I don't know where the credit lies. I don't know if I can go, John Moxley saved AEW. I do think in United talk about a show, when Cody left, the company felt like it had no direction.

753
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:26,560
It was a shot that here's where your founding members, founding leaders of this company choosing the competition and leaving an executive VP role whether it was on paper or not to just go be one of the guys at your competitor.

754
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:35,560
We saw it in production, we saw it in the storylines, we saw it in the matches that AEW felt rudderless.

755
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:49,560
And there was, I'm going to use this term because his name is a part of it, there was a paradigm shift, you know, like two years ago in AEW where it kind of went like, oh wow, they're kind of getting the ship right at it does make more sense.

756
00:39:49,560 --> 00:40:01,560
I don't know if, since I don't know the inner working of that part, if I want to give all the credit to John Moxley, but it does feel like when the death writer storylines started and he became champion, we didn't see the title for a while.

757
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:10,560
But it did kind of course correct the brand into storyline driven moment driven.

758
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Yeah, we have great matches, but now there is a direction and a focus in the company.

759
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:28,560
And I know they get a lot of crap for that thing for you over the death writer storyline dragging on maybe longer than they intended, but it did give the company focus.

760
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:53,560
And if that was Moxley's idea and he implemented it and then kind of helped produce and changed the course of the show, then he does the drivel out credit for it because two years ago you and I were wondering, I mean, that's why we don't cut that timeline is why we don't cover AW pay per views as indefinitely as we used to because the show got really, really bad.

761
00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:06,560
I feel like now it's a much better product. I don't know if they've regained new view or gaining new viewers, but they have right of the ship and it does feel like a much more stable brand to be a fan of right now.

762
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:15,560
Yeah, you know, I do credit Moxley. I think for helping save AW during the time frame about I would say two years ago, but it's not just him.

763
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:37,560
I think he is a well known good leader behind the scenes. The death writer storyline when he was champion, I did not enjoy did not enjoy it at all I call the death ratings. I mean, it was a boring is all hell and Moxley was like making incoherent nonsense with his promos that let's like, what the fuck is he talking about?

764
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:47,560
But now I love continental classic John Moxley. There's a little bit more depth to what's going on with John Moxley as a continental champion or the stuff that he's been doing with Will Osprey.

765
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:55,560
I think he played a big role in it. I think he played a big role behind the scenes rallying the troops, but you cannot sit there and dismiss what's worth struggling did.

766
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:05,560
What hangman page did? What Will Osprey is done? What Kenny Omega is done? What Willow Knight and Gail? Chris Stattlander is done.

767
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:17,560
It's just not it's not them what FTR Copen Cage young bucks have done as well. Did do I think that Moxley was the one care in the torch being like, hey, we got a rally and turning around. Absolutely.

768
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:30,560
It was a really bad time for AW. I felt like they were like, we were talking about the show like are we ever kind of talk about them anymore. I thought we're going to become a solo WWE show again. Like I was done watching them.

769
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:41,560
You watch Dynamite. Dynamite is a must see that wrestling show right now. Collision. Collision is where I was watching Grand Slam Mexico on Wednesday night.

770
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:49,560
Last night I was like, why are they booking collision like they are dynamite because WWE doesn't book raw and then half-ass books Smackdown.

771
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:59,560
And what I mean by that and I'm sure there's creative jokes that you could say, I'm not saying that you tune into Smackdown and Cody Rhodes is facing some sort of job or young developmental talent.

772
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:11,560
And he's still taking on Damien Priest, whatever, right? Like recognizable names. They make sure that their Raw's at Smackdowns are A-shows. That's where a WWE needs to change. Dynamite is an A-plus-plus show.

773
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:20,560
Maybe the best wrestling show on television right now. Collision is maybe the worst, like legitimately the worst. I mean it has good moments.

774
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:34,560
But it's a collisionist Sunday night heat. It's rampage again. I remember rampage was terrible towards the end. I mean it was just like this is a throwaway show. Like what are we doing? They're just taking up time on the turn of networks.

775
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:46,560
So if they were able to fix that, I think A-W's in business that can be a really really stronger alternative to WWE. But with that said, I think what we see, I do think Mox is a play to big role into a Dark Trade.

776
00:43:46,560 --> 00:44:02,560
How much of a role we'll never know. We're not behind the scenes. It just felt like Moxley was one of the true leaders of A-W during that time. And it's just nice to see an interview where he does get his flowers because you do hear a lot of people say many positive things about Joe Moxley behind the scenes.

777
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:15,560
I mean if he wasn't so such a positive influence in the wrestling community, would they have done that spot at Summerslam with the Reigns and Rollins and then mentioned Dean Ambrose on commentary.

778
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Yeah.

779
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Like you have to be like at least well respected within the industry to get semi-shouted out on your competitors number two show of the year in the main event match.

780
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Right? It's kind of the right there. I don't know. Ten years from now, 15 years from now we may get the full story on this. But it felt like I said, it felt like when Cody left, there was no leader.

781
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:55,560
That it was the inmates running the asylum. And Tony Khan, look, for all the knocks we give on Tony Khan, we've given Tony Khan over the last six years. Tony Khan stepped up and took control of his company.

782
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:08,560
And trusted the right people around him whether it was Moxley, whether it was Brian Danielson having a hand in some of the creative and some of the producing whether you know Jericho is kind of out of the picture of that point as well.

783
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:16,560
You kind of felt like there was a shift and it matches like are there still flippy Matt flippy moments in matches. Absolutely.

784
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:32,560
You know that's kind of like AW staying on brand, but it felt like there was a concerted voice to kind of give the shows direction again and purpose. And I think that was lacking from that time Cody left about that three year window in the middle there.

785
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,560
It felt like that direction was lacking and somebody reestablished it.

786
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:48,560
Yeah, they certainly did and AW it's nice to see them back in there really enjoying their show. And again, it's like if they were just doing dynamite like they are doing collision, it could be completely different sort of I truly feel like.

787
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Okay, with that said, Dr. Dre, let's close up shop on this week's edition of SRT you and get a couple plugs and sponsors out of the way.

788
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:05,560
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789
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:11,560
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790
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791
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:37,560
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792
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793
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:15,560
Yeah, so just crazy how time flies we were talking about it the show their day was like I was wearing a t-shirt from when I first got into wrestling and I'm like there's not a single person in this locker who knows what this shows in reference to that's how long this show's been going on now.

794
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795
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Running around with the guy like those like Sammy Calan you might find Sammy Calahan. It's your local independent wrestling show you never know you might see a local independent wrestling show from a guy from WWE who shows up and too much later is in a featured match a summer slam winning a US title you just never know but go out there support local impending wrestling.

796
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And if you know a way to legally track your kids other than life we've seen let me know as well. Yeah feel free to chime in over at patreon.com/srtupodcast over in the comment section of this very episode with that said another show in the books summer slam 2026 recap and review and now we are full steam ahead towards AW all in London that'll be wrapping up here at the end of the month.

797
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