WWE SummerSlam Preview & NXT Great American Bash Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #703 – 8/3/23

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It's stupid. We welcome everybody.
Welcome to this week's edition. This is

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no real dust show up Summer seven
and three for UMPUT three two one US

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three is your WWE SummerSlam three,
viewer predictions and NXT Great American Dash precap

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and review edition of ass bar to
you. I am one after the show,

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I am Jeff Back. I always
joined by my coach, the one

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I read, doctor Trey Franklin.
Doctor Trey, Are you ready for the

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biggest party of the summer, my
friend? Oh wait, no, the

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summer. I was thinking the world's
largest cocktail party down in Jacksonville, Florida.

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But yeah, I know though,
the biggest party of the summer.

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Absolutely are you bringing the drink?
Sir? Am I? I am any

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preferences? What are you thinking?
Anything that will make me forget the last

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two months of my life? Okay, hey, that's easy. I've got

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tequila with your name on a my
friend, There you go, There you

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go, So there you go,
biggest party the summer, Doctor Trent.

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I stay tuned for the watch party
of Summerslan where Doctor Trent and I just

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get drunk and watch wrestling. That
would be fun. That would be fun

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to do that sometime we'd have to
pick like like one of the most shittiest

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shows we've ever seen, and like
rewatch it, like just intoxicated anything from

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WWE in like nineteen ninety two.
Uh, you're being Yeah, ninety two

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wasn't. I would say like ninety
five. There was a lot of shit

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on ninety five whenever, whenever all
the guys had jobs. Yeah, yeah,

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that was. That was a long
period of time. I feel like

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that was like ninety two, early
ninety six. Yeah, it was.

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There's a window where everybody had to
have a side job. So and then

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I saw on Facebook their day somebody
was like, I wish wrestlers had side

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jobs like they did back. I'm
like, no, like TL Hopper,

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the good and you know all those
guys like yeah that I mean that that

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ran through you know the first you
know, a few months of Monday Night

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Raw, a reverse almost year of
Monday Night Raw was the bad side jobs

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that every wrestler had to have convinced
then pay them any money. Yeah,

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the coon, TL Hopper, um
spark plug yet Bob Holly, that's funny.

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We both were going there at the
same time smoking guns. Right,

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They were like rodeo guys. Yeah, uh one two three kid? Was

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this a jobber? Um? Irs
Duke the Dumpster Drosie one of my favorites

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doin the clown. Yeah, like
everybody had a That's That's when I knew

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Deby was in trouble back then,
because I was like, maybe all these

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guys have to have side jobs,
Like they're not making enough from being on

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TV. They all have to go, like how do you go from being

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on TV to go unclogging somebody's toilets? Hey, Hey, you know what

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didn't I see you on RAW this
past week? Now you're taking out my

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garbage? Yeah? Dean Douglas the
tu well. Um, Yeah, there

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was plenty of jobs. We could
do an entire episode of just jobs from

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WWE's occupation era, which they never
never took off, the Osha era of

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w Four guys that don't need side
jobs recently just resigned with All Elite Wrestling,

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as announced this past Wednesday, won
Kenny Omega, Nick Jackson, Matt

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Jackson, and Hangman Adam Page also
known as the Elite. They have resigned

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with a w and we'll be there
for several years now. We talked about

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could we see Kenny Omega, the
Young Bucks Hangman on a page in WWE.

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There was some grumblings a couple of
months ago that there was a perceived

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notion that ww I think had a
fair shot at signing Kenny Omega, which

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was insane. I think over the
last couple of weeks here and there,

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there have been some stories out there
that w didn't feel as confident that they

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could um signed Kenny Omega, Young
Bucks Hangman Adam Page as they were,

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which typically means that it appears that
they're on the way to stay with all

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Elite Wrestling, and that was a
matter of fact just before the two hundredth

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episode, the Elite have resigned with
the company Doctor Trey. Before we dig

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into it here, I simply ask
you, is this the right move for

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all involved Elite Wrestling and all four
members of the Elite. I mean,

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it's great for AW, it's pretty
good for all the members of the Elite.

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It's just interesting that now it feels
even more like there's a partition between

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these two shows. When you have, you know, the Elite resigning,

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you just brought back CM Punk and
then his guys are on one show.

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It it does feel like a you
know, maybe not a natural brand split,

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but almost like a brand split out
of necessity, but it is there's

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it just makes you know, like
Tony cons the also my business, He's

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gonna play sides of defense and whatever
deals work best for the company, He's

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going to strike while the iron's high. And uh, I'm sure that Kenny

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Omega and the Bucks used a little
bit of that WWE leverage to kind of

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get the deals that they wanted for
to resign. So there is I don't

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know if you remembered the story here, but there was some perceived contract tampering

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from ww someone so that MLW I
think they have a suit right now filed

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against for block him for their TV
deal that was supposed to be on an

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NBC owned product. That escaping me
right now. And then it was around

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the same time Tony conn had said
that there're been some stuff going on about

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a year ago now close to that
he was not happy with. So while

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there is always probably feelers out there
in the professional wrestling business, it is

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my understanding that w WE did not
make any type of formal offer, that

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the elite did not speak to w
E in ndy fashion. As well,

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the interview that they have with Sports
Illustrated Today basically just said that the reason

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why they want to stay in AW
is because, you know, without them

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in AW just would feel weird.
They like the schedule, they want the

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family time all and then money they
said was really really good as well.

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I mean you read the interview and
it's extremely admirable what they're saying. That

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they want to not be on the
road as much as WWE is, and

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they also acknowledge the wrestlers that do
have that lifestyle and gave them props for

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it. It's just not something that
they want to do and they want to

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be more. They want to be
around their family a lot more than the

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ww calendar would let them, so
props them in that realm. From an

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AW perspective, they keep four of
the five core guys that help make the

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company, the fifth one being on
the summerstam card this Saturday against brock Lesner.

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Is this the right move for all
involved? I would say absolutely yes.

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As a wrestling fan, I just
love the allure of seeing the elite

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in WWE and how that would play
out just from like a you know,

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like hmm, I wonder what it
would be like if David Ortiz played for

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the Yankees, Right, It's like
that realm of man, I wonder what

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it would be like if Jerry Rice
played for the Green Bay Packers, Right,

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Doctor Trey. It's that realm of
just seeing a little bit of chaos

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and a little bit of these foundation
pieces playing for the other team when there's

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a rivalry. And for those that
think that there is no rivalry, I

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have not watched it yet, but
the big news that came out of the

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Cody Rhodes documentary on Peacock that was
released on Monday was that Triple H called

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AW secondary promotion, which is not
a smart thing to say at all,

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especially when they have seventy seven thousand
tickets sold for all in at Wembley Stadium.

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And I don't consider them a secondary
promotion at all. While they may

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be number two behind in the United
States, they are not some sort of

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like knockoff promotion. They're doing pretty
damn well for themselves, so right move

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for all involved. All in all, while there's that like, oh man,

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it'd be so cool to see those
guys into w W and how it

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would play, How would it be
as successful as Cody Rhodes has been in

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WW WE coming from AW, this
is the right move. I feel like,

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doctor Try, I just can't see
AW without all five founding members.

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And I know Hangman isn't typically known
as one of the founding members because he

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wasn't an EVP, but I put
Hangman page in that grew up just as

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much as as the young Bucks,
Kenny Omega, and Cody Rhodes myself,

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So I think this is the right
move for all involved. Doctor Try.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, I always looked at when Aw's founded,

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it was there was Cody, and
there there was the elite. Like

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I always kind of never felt like
Cody was part of the crew, like

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he was friends with them, but
he wasn't part of the team. So

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when Code went to WWE, it
made sense he did it was best for

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him and his family. Where with
Kenny, the Bucks, Hangman, like

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those guys are a click, Like
that's a crew. Those guys typically don't

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do something without the other ones.
And you can look at their history like

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whether it was you know, coming
to a Ring of Honor when they were

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in New Japan, like all those
guys did the same thing at the same

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time, and it does make a
lot of sense for them to kind of

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work in tandem. Plus, you
know, if you've got three other friends

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in the company that are pretty high
up and getting paid really well, you

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know, you also have support and
also some kind of protection as well,

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so you don't have to worry so
much about the politicking and everything else if

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anybody comes at you. And we
kind of saw that who had the brawl

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out that those four are going to
stick together against anybody that comes at them.

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So you always have that little circle, that little inner circle of protection,

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you know, while you're under contract
with them. A little bit more

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on this story from Wrestling anc and
also Fightful Selects. They say in terms

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of the length of the new deals, Fightful select reports that one of the

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new contracts is said to run for
a quote at least four years. It's

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unknown if that is the case for
all the new agreements, however, and

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it was also unclear if the deals
matched up, potentially creating a situation where

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the elites collective contracts wouldn't be up
at the same time. Aw and the

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Elite were said to have reached these
new deals over the past few weeks.

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In regards to wwweed, appears that
while the promotion was interested on Megapage and

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the Bucks series talks between the two
sides never end up occurring. As for

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the ongoing issues between the Elite and
Cmpunk, the Ladder's returned to AW this

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past spring did cause a slowdown regarding
negotiations between AW and the Elite. There

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would ultimately proved to not be a
significant factor regarding potential Elite Punk feud.

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There is no word if there's been
proposed or how open either side would be

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to it. However, it is
said that there has been some movement towards

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a potential match between the Bucks and
FDR, which could lead to the two

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teams face and off in the ring
for the first time since April twenty twenty

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two. That rumor taking place right
now for all In in Wembley Stadium.

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It's possible that they've announced that match. We're recording this before Dynamite on Wednesday

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night, so unknown about the amount
the years Doctor Trey two sides never gotten

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serious between WWW and the Elite.
While there may have been some feathers ruffled

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when CM Punk came back, it
did not prove anything that made them decide

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out to go elsewhere, which was
something that we speculated on earlier this year,

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So it seems like all is good
in All Elite Wrestling and the timing

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it's perfect with this heading into their
biggest attended show of all time in just

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a couple of weeks. Yeah,
it's it's great for the company you get,

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you know, you don't have to
worry about your name people. I

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mean, it would be kind of
just the ultimate kick in the bass if

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everybody in the Elite jumped to WWE, because then how do you have a

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copy called All Elite Wrestling if the
Elite is on Like that would be kind

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of weird. Like Kenny and the
Bucks set in that interview, you know,

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there was no direct contact between WW
and those four guys, but you

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know, legally they can't because that
is contract tampering. But I'm sure there

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were feelers set out. All those
guys have some form of representation that they

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can have touch base and be like, hey, if we're interested, what

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will be looking at those things happen
They happen in the NFL, baseball,

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wrestling, basketball, all those things. So I'm sure there was some kind

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of contact there As far as Punk
and the Bucks and ftrgo if they don't

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do this at Wimbley Jeff, do
do we lose any of the the smoke

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behind the fire that was a brawl
out? Like is like, how long

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do you wait before you start pulling
the trigger and keep I mean, like,

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how long it's too long before you
pull the trigger on this? Well?

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I mean FTR wasn't involved with brawl
out. I mean they are closely

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tied to cempunk, right, you
know, I would imagine that being that

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there is a lot of chatter about
those two battling it out, those two

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teams battling out at all in in
a couple of weeks, I would I

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would imagine that that match has been
nearly made official on the car that that's

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happening. There's obviously a lot of
friction there, professional and potentially personal.

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If anybody listening to Dax's Hardwood show, it sounded like it was more professional

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than personal. They may not be
the best of friends, but that's what

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makes money. And I think if
an FTR and the young Bucks are willing

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to work together, that a CM
punk and the elite you would hope would

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be able to work together. I
do think, and I said this before

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that I felt like there was a
three month window where AW needed to capitalize

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on the elite and see him Punk
being back on the fold if they wanted

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to make some money off of the
real life brawl out. I don't think

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it still has the same impact as
it would if it's say six, two

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twelve months from now, if they
never battle it out then, I mean,

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the farther we get away from Cempuck's
return and brawl out and all that

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stuff, it's just like, uh, I don't know. I don't know

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if it still has the same punch
as it would before. So I don't

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know. It definitely seems like I
could open the door to it. I

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liked the idea of the Bucks an
FTR battle in and out, and I

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think that would be the right move
for all in. And just to the

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point that you had made before about
w overtures to you know, the elite

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and all that stuff, yeah,
you would have to imagine that. Nick

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and Matt Jackson, who Cody Rhodes
recently said an interview he's closer with them

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now than he was at any point
in his life, have asked him like

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what is it like working for WA
Like they have to have had those conversations

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like how's it going, what's it
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um, I would imagine that.
I mean they nearly signed with WWE Doctor

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Trey, Kenny Omega and the Bucks
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in the Young Bucks book that I
think it was Matt Jackson got off the

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phone with Triple H. He was
on vacation with his wife, and the

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first thing he said to his wife
was, I can't believe I'm saying this,

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but we're going to do I think
we're going to WA. So,

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I mean there is some sort of
business relationship there, but all in all,

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Elite resigning FTR Bucks for all in
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it's the right moves and it's the
right move for professional wrestling. I feel

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like ultimately Doctor Trey. Yeah,
it does feel weird though, like you're

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gonna have if you do have the
Bucks in FTR at you know, all

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in in Amble Stadium and the tag
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me, the only thing they're there
if fastors are going. We could have

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been building this up for a few
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my only complaint about what's been doing
for the most part lately, is you

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know, some of these we talked
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ago, Like, you're not really
building up anything. And I know the

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Elite just came off the feud with
Blackpool Combat Club, but you could have

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jumped right into it and started setting
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in a couple of weeks out,
you're only getting a couple of weeks build

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up. You do kind of lose
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unless those guys can just crank it
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short amount of time, which they're
probably capable of. Just for as a

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wrestling fan, when I'm looking forward
to an anticipated match, I like having

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a few, like a month and
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I'm with you, but I think
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I mean, it's I think it's
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I mean to agree, But like
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Bucks, it's not a personal thing. It's a professional thing. You know,

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the promos. Maybe it's more the
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forward to with this when it kicks
off, is where's that line at?

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You know? How far can you
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it where punks Matt like, how
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that stuff? Like That's what I
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and with getting a condensed version of
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I would kind of drag it out
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oh yeah, just announced to night
the Bucks and FTR. We're announced an

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on Dynamite on Wednesday and all outs
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lot of people that want to see
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be upset if it wasn't on the
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that people want to see the match, but I also would want the extra

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build up in the anticipation to get. If you're talking about Bucks and FTR

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specifically, I mean they've had two
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the rubber match, right, yeah, but if you're gonna build into a

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six man at some point, which
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see. But this could be the
this could be the appetizer to that.

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Like, I don't know if there's
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If you're looking more towards the trios
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with you, but I mean this
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that's true, especially if one of
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it's Omega or Punk get involved,
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But yeah, like just for me, I like longer build ups to big

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matches. But you know, you're
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lead into that rivalry, much like
the elite in BCC head where it lasted

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three months that started with Hangman Page
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yeah, exactly. Okay, switching, what was that that you won me

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over? That's what I'm here for
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right, next thing here switched years
At WWE, there was a story out

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on Wednesday that Vince McMahon was served
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subpoena. Came out during the quarter
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perfect time to tell them, like, hey, Vince was served with a

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search warrant and federal grand jury subpoena. So that was a big story.

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On Wednesday, during the w quarterly
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the search warrant Grand Federal Journey EPI
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First he went out for medical lead
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two weeks ago. At the time, Tony Kahn declined to comment, but

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WWE did confirm that this has taken
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this via Wrestling Ink. While the
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remain a mystery, it's known that
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off a number of women an attempt
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So there's a little bit of thought. I thought there was an updated story.

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I made a pold the wrong story
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All right, here it is.
Here's the update. So WWE revealed

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in the Relatest Learnings Report, which
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story about devit, McMahon provided statements
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in two thousand and two twenty two, WWE formed a special committee to review

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allegations and misconduct against me. That
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following an extensive investigation throughout this experience. I've always did I any intentional wrongdoing.

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It continue to do so. I'm
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without any findings of wrongdoing. I'm
focused on completing the recovery process for my

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recent spinal surgery, and I'm closing
our transaction with Endeavor, which will create

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one of the premium goals global sports
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believe this is a continuation of the
investigation that commenced last summer. W's cooperated

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throughout fully understands respects the government's need
for a complete process. So no charges

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have been following against Van as of
this recording. Details of the war and

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subpoena are currently unknown, although it
has been publicized here in the savents from

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McMahon and WWW that it appears into
something from the misconduct investigation that took place

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last year. So I guess until
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we won't know specifics. But nonetheless, doctor Troite not a good look here

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that Vince is getting served with a
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I mean, this is not ideal
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have it come out during the quarterly
call is like the worst timing ever.

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But yeah, it's not a good
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I don't know if anybody was surprised
in the sense of what the subpoena

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and everything else is coming from,
because this is literally something that one of

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his friends, Donald Trump, is
going through, Like that was the first

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indictment he had was because of hush
money paid to a woman, and now

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Vince is being investigated for the same
thing. So it's really not shocking and

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surprising because that was kind of what
the internal investigation was about, was did

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Vince pay these people directly or did
it come from a WWE corporate fund because

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that parts illegal, but paying it
yourself is not. But you know,

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it's it is what it is almost
like, are we really surprised with anybody

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over the age of seventy gets hit
with one of these cases right now,

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because that seemed to be you know, Bill Cosby, Trump Vince, Like,

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I'm just I'm not really surprised.
I'm more surprised than al Paccino's having

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kids in his eighties than I am
about Vince and Trump and Bill Cosby getting

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hit with stuff from stuff they did
back in the eighties when it was kind

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of accepted. Yeah, it's I
think the stuff with Vince though is is

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recent though, like within the last
fifteen to twenty years. Well, the

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one girl was a referee back in
the eighties though, that was that was

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late eighties and that was settled.
But I guess when all this stuff.

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This is my understanding. So I'm
no legal analyst here, so if I'm

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incorrect on any of this, uh, please let me know via Twitter,

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slash x or Facebook at our various
different channels. That I believe that was

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Rita and I'm her last name was
forgetting is escaping me at the moment.

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But she was a ring announcer and
that was settled. And then when all

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this stuff started coming back up,
she went into another negotiation and got another

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settlement. Is my understanding from Fitzichmann
um detailing like alleged stuff between them.

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So and the one was the secretary
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I believe that was one. And
then there was discussion about a female

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talent as well, like the in
the two thousands era decades, some of

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the stuff is not like the yo, it's not except except of the early

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two thousands, even then early two
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area of what was acceptable and what's
not acceptable today's standards. Um. But

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like it's to me, it's not
surprising when this stuff comes out because these

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guys are from a different generation.
I mean, you can go back to

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the Trump interview or he's like you
grab him by the blank, Like that's

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kind of the mindset that these old
rich men have is that I'm rich,

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I have this money. Yeah yeah
so um. And then you know guys

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in our generation who grew up kind
of watching that but then trying to adjust

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to the new world. We live
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what we're supposed to do. Well. I don't think you can say some

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of the things that Trump said.
Certainly no no, no, yeah,

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like that's not allowed. But then
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a woman that goes, oh,
I wish men were still men. You

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know, it's like, Okay,
do you want to be sensitive? You

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wants to be a man, do
you want it't like, which side do

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you want? Like? We can't
be everything, Just tell me what you

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want me to do it, but
I'll do Trying to figure out what society

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wants nowadays is definitely a conundrum,
I would say. All in all,

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this entire thing with the subpoena and
federal grand jury, this obviously has a

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lot to do with shareholders that did
not want him back. The company corporation

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needed to do an investigation. And
we're just going off on what the statement

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said today that it appears that that's
what it's being pointed to. I would

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say still from a business wrestling fandom
perspective, this is just it's not a

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good look today for w W and
Vinsickman. And we'll see if it leads

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to anything, doctor Try. I
mean, in most instances, even the

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stuff that we just talked about a
year ago, when we were talking about

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Vince no longer being with Wan retiring, that would end a person, that

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would end a person's career. Vinsickman
being vins Wickman right, wrong or different,

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whether you support or a pose,
and being back with the company said

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f this and forced his way back
in the company, and it was like

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one of the most boldest insane things
I've ever seen in corporation existence in my

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entire time. I mean, most
CEOs, like presidents, they don't do

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that. And he did that because
he had the where he had the stock

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power to do it. And I
don't know, I don't think he should

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be back with the company. I
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standpoint, from a business standpoint,
from a scandal standpoint, I don't think

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Vince Icman should be back with the
company. So and that's kind of where

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I stand on this entire thing.
Yeah, I'm with you, Like I

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don't think Vince you should be back. I think Vince should have left when

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he left and kind of staying gone. I do understand the want to have

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Vince be part of the company from
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You know, I unders wanting Vince
on the because Vince is the data white

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you know, that's the comparison.
But at the same time, like you

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said, it's it's scandalous, it's
it's somebody that's kind of a magnet for

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these type of things, and it
doesn't do the company any good when these

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things keep popping up. I mean, and you're right, like this would

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have knocked out a normal person from
ever working for that company again. I

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mean, you look at some of
those guys that were called out during the

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the Me Too movement, like the
Michael Elgin's, the Joey Ryan's, that

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Dave Chris, Like, none of
those guys have been back in wrestling jack

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All. They're not back. Yeah, but you know Vince can just go,

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yeah, I got enough money,
I got enough poll like, I'll

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sell the company and that way I'll
get myself back in Like that, Vince

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has that fu money to kind of
do whatever he wants. And he's almost

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the old one. You're from the
northeast Teflon, don you know, that's

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kind of how Vince is now.
Yep, that is very very true.

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So we'll see if this leads to
anything further. Once again, Vince Zikmann

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back in the news, did receive
spinal surgery recently, so I guess he'll

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be out for some time. Also
getting served with the search warrant and federal

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Grand Journey subpoena, which w E
and he appears to be acknowledging has to

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do with the investigation from last year
that internally took place in world wrestling entertainment.

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Speaking of Teflon Dons, let's get
into NXT Great American Bash recap review.

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I don't know how sometimes we can
transition from some of the things that

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we talk about, but figured maybe
a Tony d reference can get us at

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NXC Great American Bash. It took
place this past Sunday from the HEB Center

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in Cedar Park, Texas. Let's
start with the pre show match. In

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an eight person mixed tag team match, Dragon Lee, Nathan Fraser, Louisa

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Leon and Valentino Froys defeated the Metaphor
of Noam dar Or Mensa, Jacara Jaccent

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and Lash Legend. We both had
the Metaphor again the victory, so we

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got a l on that one firm
performance by all eight wrestlers to start the

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show. Surprise, they want to
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win, but Fraser and dragon Ly
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as we saw on Tuesday edition of
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Noam Darr and Ora Mensa did defeat
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team match. Doctor Trey. Any
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Like once the result was done,
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especially where you saw what happened Dragon
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them to get to win at the
pl to kind of build them back up,

405
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.160
you know, dragon Ly don't.
I don't want to say it's been

406
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:36.440
a disappointing run, but maybe not
the level we thought it would be coming

407
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.839
in NXC, So them getting the
win at the pl E kind of helps

408
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:44.319
those guys move up. Also,
Nathan Frasier, former Rocket City Championship Wrestling

409
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.920
performer at one time, Dragon Lee
does have a big match on Tuesday's nx

410
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.680
T from the North American Championship and
one Lucador legend will be in his corner.

411
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.079
So maybe this is the start of
the Dragon Lee ramp up that Doctor

412
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.960
Trey is so eloquent waiting for.
Because I'm out right there with you,

413
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.480
I want to see Dragon Lee start
climbing the ladder. In NXT to the

414
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:10.279
main car, The Family of Tony
D'Angelo and Channing Stacks Lorenzo defeat Gallas,

415
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.920
Mark Coffee and Wolfgang to win the
NXE Tag Team Championship. Both Doctors Tray

416
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:17.039
and I had the family getting the
victory, good match, it was time

417
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.000
to put the titles on the family
fall on the free Tony D storyline.

418
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.160
Tony D has won me over.
I'm not really in love with the gimmick.

419
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:29.000
Channing stacks. Lorenzo has been one
of the great bright spots in NXT,

420
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.279
an underrated bright spot because he has
really become a good, good performer

421
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.319
over the last year plus being in
NXC, and watch him on TV.

422
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.079
This was the right call. Doctor
Try was happy for Tony D and Channing

423
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.799
Sax Lorenzo. So I give a
question, and this is only because you're

424
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.119
much more of the NXD watcher than
I am right now. So did Tony

425
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:53.680
D get promoted while he was in
prison? Because prior to prison, he

426
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.519
looked like he was part of the
mob, and then now he looks like

427
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.759
he runs the mob. So that's
why I kind of a little bit confused.

428
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.400
I like the new look, though
it looks more like a down kind

429
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.160
of look than what he had on
when he first came into NXT. But

430
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.519
it was absolutely the right move.
This story built up, it was compelling,

431
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.839
it was there's a couple of little
twists in there as well. Another

432
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.680
twist on you know this past Tuesday's
NXT. So I liked the move and

433
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.079
the match was pretty solid of fun
and stacks. Man, I like that

434
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:32.359
kid. That kid's wrestled all around
Tennessee and stuff before he got his break.

435
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.200
So good, good young man,
and good to see them get some

436
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.640
success. Yeah, to answer your
question, I think they probably just have

437
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.799
kind of figured out the gimmick a
little bit more. I think he's been

438
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.440
the don and this was they did
the ode to the jumpsuit here, and

439
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.240
I think he's just kind of coming
into his own finally in the gimmick.

440
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.480
The gimmick was very corny for a
long time, and I feel like in

441
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.599
the last six months or so they've
they've kind of felt their stride and it's

442
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.519
been actually a really nice move for
them to turn into baby faces because I

443
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.960
think they're very much over with the
crowd and it aligns better with that gimmick

444
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.960
in my opinion. Next matches Roxanne
Perez defeating Blair Davenport and a Weapons wild

445
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.680
match. We both had Rock sand
Pres gain the victory. Hard hitting match.

446
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.480
I'm a fan of both women.
I hope you see both them in

447
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.599
the NXC Women's title pictures sooner rather
than later. The only drawback here was

448
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:22.599
Roxand Press is like twelve year old
sister who was hiding a laugh when she

449
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.559
was supposed to be scared. Clearly, Blair, Davenport and her probably have

450
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.160
a very joking relationship behind the scenes
because she was hiding a laugh the entire

451
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.759
time, which is difficult when your
family members doing that. But Roxane,

452
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.160
it's a victory, Doctor Trey.
Yeah, Like I enjoyed this match.

453
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.200
It was. It was a little
bit more fun than I thought would be.

454
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.960
I don't know about even Roxane is
so small that every time she got

455
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.480
hit, I kind of cringed a
little bit because I'm like that one might

456
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:50.359
take that little girl out. Because
as much as we talked about, like

457
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.960
you know, he's talk about Roxand's
twelve girls, sister, Roxand looks twelve,

458
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.279
so I thought they were like twins
almost or something, but not just

459
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.920
a really fun match. Both girls
came out looking pretty strong, so it'll

460
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.400
interesting to see where they go with
those two next, Like who does Blair

461
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.279
move on to because not a lot
of baby face women in NXT right now.

462
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.039
A lot of heels, but not
a lot of baby faces. Next

463
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.920
match, there's Gable Steveson and Baron
Corbyn ending in a double disqualification, no

464
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.279
contest. However you want to look
at it. We had Gabe steven get

465
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.920
Stevenson getting the victory or Stevenson getting
the victory, which was incorrect. Not

466
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.519
a great match, headscratching decision for
this match and in a double disqualification.

467
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.119
The post match brawl was good.
It was surprised to see the majority of

468
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.599
fans in attendance boo Gabel Steveson in
a line with Baron Corbin. Steveson did

469
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:43.119
not look ready for the spot yet. Olympic gold medalist in Wa nearly twenty

470
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.519
three years, twenty four years since
Kurt Angle made his debut. I mean

471
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.920
he's going to be in Kurt Angle's
shadow because that's who we will be compared

472
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.599
to. And Gabel Steveson from a
Olympic wrestling standpoint, was a much bigger

473
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:01.480
name than Kurt Angle was because of
the more eyes on the Olympic product.

474
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:08.880
In twenty twenty twenty one, when
everyone the Metal in Tokyo, but surprising,

475
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.079
I thought it was going to be
a better showing from him. I

476
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.559
thought the crowd was going to be
behind him. And that was not the

477
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.840
case. Baron Corbyn has been a
well known heel that has typically booed and

478
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.119
he was cheered. Head scratching moment
all around, Doctor Trey. I did

479
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.960
not enjoy this one. Not a
good debut for Gabel Steveson. I thought

480
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:30.800
they did him dirty here. Yeah. I did understand putting him in the

481
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.639
ring with Corbyn first because when you
look at like, Okay, if Corbyn

482
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.159
loses, what does that do for
Corbet? You know, it's great for

483
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.519
Gable? But was it due for
Corbett? And if Corbyn wins, was

484
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:43.679
it due for Gable? It also
ties him to the Kurt Angle stuff from

485
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.760
retiring them. Yeah, and it
is weird because as I'm watching this match,

486
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.280
I got Kurt Angle vibes because if
you go back and listen to Kurt

487
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.519
when he was coming in, he
wanted to be a baby facing Vince was

488
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.320
like, no, you're gonna be
a heel. They're gonna hate you.

489
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.880
He's like, no, no,
no, I'm a gold medalist, I'm

490
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.239
all American. They're gonna love me. And the crowd him I kind of

491
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.599
felt that vibe, like, no, the crowd already kind of feels like

492
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.679
this guy is almost entitled in the
debut, so I think, and plus,

493
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.679
I think Corbin's so hated that he's
almost respected in his hatred in people's

494
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.440
hatred form. So it kind of
felt like, like I was saying last

495
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.239
week, you almost feel bad for
Baron Corbin. So I kind of feel

496
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.840
like the crowd has went that guy
looks entitled. Baron, you know,

497
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.480
has been here for a while.
We respect him. We want to see

498
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.079
Baron do well, and that's I
felt like the crowd. But you're right,

499
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.800
like the match was not good.
The brawl was okay, but you

500
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.320
know, from a guy that should
have fantastic footwork for being an Olympic wrestler,

501
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:47.000
he and Corbyn's an underrated worker,
that match should have been better than

502
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.639
what it was. My guess is
that w W has been waiting to utilize

503
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:58.559
Gable Steveson for several years. He
performed at Wrestleminly thirty seven in Dallas.

504
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.679
He was in a moment I think
with Alpha Academy Suplexable Chad Gable, and

505
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.400
then we've seen a periodic the show
up from time to time on Rown SmackDown.

506
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.000
At one time he was actually drafted
to Raw, so there were a

507
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.400
lot of rumors that he was potentially
going to go back to the Olympics,

508
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.280
or potentially go back to college or
both, or something like he was deciding

509
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.599
his future. And I think we
may have been getting a little nervous.

510
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.440
This is just my speculation, my
fan speculation on this. I know nothing

511
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.000
else about this. So maybe he
was like, well, you guys aren't

512
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.719
really using me. You know,
what's what's going on here? I don't

513
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:30.559
know if I want to stick around
and may go do the Olympics, I

514
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:36.519
may go back to college to try
to win a third college championship in wrestling

515
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.519
amateur wrestling. And it appears like, okay, well let's let's use him,

516
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.639
because Sean Michael sets up in a
in the conference call lead into it

517
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.840
like he was doing nothing. He
decided to use him. That was Sean's

518
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:53.119
words, but it just felt like
from a mic standpoint, it's he's obviously

519
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:58.360
lagging. His character is lagging still, and his in ring work. We

520
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.239
all know that he has the athletics
him to put it together, but that

521
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.039
match just was not ready for primetime
television. So I thought they did him

522
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.360
a little bit dirty. I thought
Kurt Angle when he came out in ninety

523
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.679
nine was ready to go. From
a character and an end ring standpoint,

524
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.760
he picked it up very very fast. Maybe Gabel Steveson in a year's time

525
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.400
will pick it up. I think
the sailing for him is one of the

526
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.480
highest of anybody on the NXC roster
obviously, but again this debut, they

527
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.360
just did him dirty Doctor Trey,
so head scratching all around, from the

528
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.360
decision to put him in the match
to the decision of the result of the

529
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:37.880
match made no sense at all.
Next match here is Dirty Domasterio defeating Wesley

530
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.760
and Mustafa Ali. You know,
triple threat match to retain the NEXCY North

531
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.400
American Champion. Should be both a
Dirty doma Masterio again. The victory he

532
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.599
will be taken on Dragon Lee on
Tuesday's NXT as Ray Masterio will be in

533
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:52.119
the corner of Dragon Lee fun trouble
threat match. Rea Ripley's interference and influence

534
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.480
in this match was heavy, like
the most I've ever seen from someone not

535
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.239
in the match at some time,
and I liked it as an ad to

536
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.760
their genuine heat. This was fun
round match all around, Doctor Try.

537
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.159
I enjoyed Ria's interference. It made
total sense to me. Your thoughts a

538
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.760
dirty, John retains, Yeah,
when you look at it, like,

539
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:14.079
I love to finish because it's very
dirty. Sammy apparently didn't like it as

540
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:19.679
he comes into the room to join
the podcast. Okay, can you a

541
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.559
man, a dude, But like, when you look at Ria's involvement,

542
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.519
Riah is bigger than Wesley and Mustafa
Ali, so it makes sense for her

543
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.920
to get physically involved because hell,
I think we all think that she could

544
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.360
beat those guys up in a real
fight. So um, but yeah,

545
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.599
it got mega heat. Now I
am and I don't know if we're can

546
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.840
touch on it, but I am
a little bit confused about the Westley attitude

547
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:45.480
change. I get I get the
character frustration, but I don't know if

548
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:51.440
I would buy west Lee as a
full fledged heel going. He's just so

549
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.519
small. I think you need to
keep him as the underdog. But if

550
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.800
that's direction they go, Hey,
west has been fantastic since he got dannixe

551
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.119
Moustaf has been great since he got
Dannix. So it was a really really

552
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.440
fun triple threat match. I don't
know if Wes is going hell yet.

553
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:12.119
I think he's just set and frustrated. Yeah, if it leads to a

554
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.320
Carmelo Hayes feud. I'm I'm here
for it, man. Well, I

555
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.480
mean they had some great matches.
I mean that that Ladder match for the

556
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.400
North American time that has some great
moments in there. Like, I'm for

557
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.920
it. But you know, with
the Trick Williams kind of separation thing on

558
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.480
NXT, maybe they're just trying to
give West an edge to him and make

559
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.239
it seem like, you know,
he's not just the little guy, like

560
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:43.239
he can be tougher than perceived.
But like Raymistereo never needed an edgy side

561
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.960
really throughout his career. I just
don't think that West needs it. I

562
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.599
think just size in his you know, energy level would keep him as a

563
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.079
solid baby face. To me,
it almost feels like a little bit like

564
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.440
the Johnny Gargano move and where we
didn't like it at first, but then

565
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.719
a hell it paid off. So
maybe that's the route they're going with it.

566
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.159
That's it to the next match here, Tiffany Strtton defeats THEA Hale in

567
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.000
a submission match to retain the NC
Women's Championship. We both had Tiffany Stratton

568
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:12.159
gain the victory. Not a good
match at all. Multiple blown spots confusion

569
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.760
if rope breaks are allowed in the
match. From a commentary and entering performer

570
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.920
standpoint, no build up to Andre
Chase throwing in the towel that should have

571
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.880
made the spot more compelling. I've
said this before, Tiffany Stratton is a

572
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:29.719
great character. Tiffany Stratton the ring
performer needs to improve. This is reminding

573
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.280
me a lot of my feelings towards
Jade Card Gill and aw. You can

574
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.199
see the star potential with Tiffany Stratton, but the inn ring stuff is not

575
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.719
there yet. This was not a
good match, Doctor Trey, your thoughts

576
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.360
of Tiffany Stratton retains, Yeah,
and thea is still kind of raw and

577
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.960
green as well. It's one of
those things in wrestling we talk about a

578
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.079
lot when we're putting, you know, shows together, matches together, is

579
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.719
you want to have at least one
person in that match that you feel I

580
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:59.519
can lead the match. In neither
of those ladies, I feel like as

581
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:04.039
ready to actually, you know,
be the quarterback of a match on a

582
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:08.119
ple So yeah, it's it's a
little bit of Jake Cargio factor, Like

583
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.079
Tiffany Stretton just needs to stay down
in NXT for a while, Like,

584
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.920
I hope they don't Apollo Cruiser and
bring her up too soon or anything like

585
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.599
that, because she is a fantastic
character. She's a beautiful woman, and

586
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.559
we know guys like Vince and Bruce
like to have them up on the main

587
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.159
roster because they can showcase them.
But I just I'm hoping Sean and Triple

588
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.840
H go no, no, no, she needs more seasoning, she needs

589
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:39.039
to get better. She reminds me
a little bit of what Summer Ray was

590
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:45.719
when Summer was an NXT where great
character, a beautiful woman just wasn't great

591
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.719
in the ring. Summer eventually got
better, and I'm sure Tiffany will as

592
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:55.000
well. It's just now's not the
time to really let her run a match

593
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:00.159
of that caliber on that stage.
Yeah, Tiffany's trying a super athletic like

594
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.679
and no disrespect to thea Haile and
Tiffany Strand. I think that their upside

595
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.880
is massive for both characters, both
wrestlers. I think they're gonna be great.

596
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.320
This was just not a good match
at all. Like again, it

597
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.719
just felt like they're not ready for
prime time. That was the feeling I

598
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:20.119
got from Gable Steveson. It just
It's like you're trying to put, you

599
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:24.840
know, a circle into a square
peg hole, right. It just doesn't

600
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.840
feel right right now, Like we
know that they have the ability to get

601
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.400
there, but it's it's just gonna
take some time. It's just all around

602
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.719
was not good, especially when you
look at the main event. It was

603
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.400
like I was watching two different shows
at this point because the next match here

604
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.239
is Carmelo Hayes defeating nearly draggon Off
to retaining the NXC championship. We both

605
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.400
have Carmelo Hayes getting the victory.
Great match that really saved the show in

606
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.920
my opinion. It was hard hitting
and the final ten minutes was really well

607
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.280
done. Hayes and dragging Off put
on a show. These are two guys

608
00:42:54.360 --> 00:43:00.880
that are season performers. They look
like that they would fit onto Raw or

609
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.599
SmackDown tomorrow. They they saved the
show at this point. Doctor Tray,

610
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.320
I mean he had the gable Steveson
Baron Corba match I did not like.

611
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:13.679
The triple threat kind of brought the
show back into it. And then Tiffany

612
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.639
Stratton Fiahale left a really bad taste
of my mouth, and then Carmela Hayes

613
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.960
and nearly dragging off save the show
again. I really enjoyed this match your

614
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.440
thoughts. Yeah, Sammy did too. Sammy and I sat there and watched

615
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.679
it. Sammy loves Elia dragging off. I'm a bit see I'm a big

616
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:34.400
aliena dragging off fan myself. It
was a damn good match. I really

617
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.079
really enjoyed it. Although we both
kicked Carmelo. There are points that match

618
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.039
where I'm like, could they pull
the trigger and put the belts on Elia

619
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.320
and you know, move Carmelo up? But like it was, you're right

620
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.840
for me. It kind of saved
the show because of that match. I

621
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.159
had been a clunker. This might
be my lowest rated nxt P l E

622
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.039
ever and it still might be.
I don't know. We haven't got to

623
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.320
it yet, but uh, it
still might be by lows. But it

624
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.599
would have been really bad if this
match was average or worse. Oh yeah,

625
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.840
if this was not good, it
would it was. I think it

626
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.280
would be the worst show of the
year, and it may be when you

627
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.480
look at it all in all,
so maybe spoiler alert ear all right.

628
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.000
Peperview prediction record Doctor Trent I both
went five and two, come out of

629
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.960
the show and win sixty six and
twenty three Doctor Trey sixty one and twenty

630
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.119
eight Match of the night and event
rating. My match of the night was

631
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.440
Carmelo, Hayes and Eily dragging off. My event rating, I gave it

632
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.280
a three point one. If Carmelo, Hayes and Eliot did not put on

633
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.679
a show, you would be looking
at something in the twos. I this

634
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.920
show was not great, a lot
of skippable moments, but there are some

635
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.800
matches on this car that you should
check out. The Family Versus Gallus,

636
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.199
Roxanne Blair Davenport was good, Dirty
Dom west Lee musaf Ali was good,

637
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.719
and obviously Carmelo, Hayes and Eily
dragging off. But Gable Steveson and Baron

638
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.360
Corbyn and Tiffany Stratton and Theiahle were
so bad that to me this dragged it

639
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.639
down to a three point one,
so I gave a three point one Doctor

640
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.960
Trey. Okay, so I was
slightly ahead of you because I had it

641
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.199
at a three point two, So
it was slightly ahead of you. But

642
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:06.079
my match of the night was samey
Jorge, Carmelo, Hayes and Elie dragging

643
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.360
off. If that match and the
Triple Threat match weren't as good as they

644
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.400
were. Uh, it would have
been like a two point three Like it

645
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.079
would have been like a bad indie
show for me. Yeah, no,

646
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.920
it was. It was not good. It was it was running into some

647
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.800
trouble there coming out of Tiffany Stratton
and the Hill match. Honestly, I

648
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:29.000
hate to crap all over wrestlers like
this, but yeah, I mean,

649
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:30.159
you gotta call it like you see
it here. I mean, if we're

650
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.440
going to bash Jade cart Gill and
get told that we're you know, tippee

651
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.920
homers, like, we'll call it
like we see it with anexc as well.

652
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.039
Um right, let's get to w
SummerSlam previewing predictions at Trade this Saturday

653
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.719
from Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan. Let's start with the SummerSlam Battle Royal.

654
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.360
Here. There's only been like five
people announced. I think it's knock

655
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.599
A Moore, Tomasso, Champa,
Shamus, La Night and Bronson Reed.

656
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.320
You gotta expect there's gonna be a
lot more. But I think of those

657
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.880
five, there is someone that I
think win this match. Been wondering for

658
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.599
some time when they're gonna pull the
trigger and help continue the popularity that is

659
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.039
La Night so I'm gonna go with
La Night to get the victory here.

660
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:14.480
So I'm gonna go off the board
just because he wins Battle Royals. I'll

661
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.599
take Bobby lastly. Wow, that's
a good choice. I've enjoyed the Bobby

662
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.199
Lashley stuff the last couple of weeks. Asked me and trade to where things

663
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:25.360
are going next match. Here is
a MMA rules match with Ronda Rousey taking

664
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.400
on Shane and Basler. I would
say that people probably aren't the most excited

665
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:31.920
for this match, but the vignettes
they ran on Raw this past week,

666
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.760
we're very well done, Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one?

667
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.320
I feel like Ron is leaving.
I don't really know the rules for

668
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.519
this match. I don't really know
how it plays out, just that I

669
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:45.800
feel like Ron is leaving, So
I'll take Shaney to get the win.

670
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:50.320
Yeah, I like you believe Ronda
Rowsey is leaving as well. They shotgun

671
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.000
this feud, So I'm gonna take
Shannon Basler to win this one. Also,

672
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.760
this is a tough one to call. Doctor Trey Gunther defends the Intercontinal

673
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.159
Championship against Drew McIntyre. I went
back and forth all day long preparing for

674
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:06.119
today's show. Ultimately, I'm going
to take Gunther retaining because I think they

675
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:12.440
want to get him past the intercontinal
longest reigning intercontinal champion Plateau and surpass Honky

676
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.280
talk Man and finally, finally somebody
knocks down that Honky Talk meter that Santina

677
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.559
Morello had. So I'm gonna take
Gunther. I don't love to pick.

678
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.639
I'm gonna take Gunther. Yeah,
I've kind of gone back and forth.

679
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.480
I think Drew wins by disqualification,
but Gunther teachs the belt is where I'm

680
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:34.280
headed. So Gunther technically retains.
Because it's if we thought, like I

681
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.800
thought about this yere days, like
it's crazy that we have two rains that

682
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.880
are like around either around four hundred
or well passed four hundred days. But

683
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.239
when you have Roman and Gunther going
right now, so it's a it's a

684
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:50.199
crazy time in w Either. They're
trying to kind of push two guys past

685
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.440
records that have been around for you
know, thirty years, so it's crazy

686
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.159
almost forty years for some of these
So both of us will that Honky talk

687
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.000
thing is almost forty years. Well, let's get old, all right.

688
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.760
So both it was taken gun Through
and routine Doctor Trey. Next match here

689
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.400
is Ricochet taken on Logan Paul and
what is supposed to be the most viral

690
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.159
match of all time. Who do
you like? So if it's the most

691
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.239
viral match of all times, you
need to take like ken oficillin before the

692
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.440
match, a viral I could watch. Okay, Yeah, this is the

693
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.800
match of the night for me,
Like, I'm looking forward to this match

694
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.519
kind of the most, So I'm
gonna take Logan Paul getting the win though,

695
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.000
Yeah, I like you, I'm
gonna take Logan Paul as well.

696
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.760
I thought maybe Ricochet we get a
big victory here, but I think him

697
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.159
being in this match helps his star
power, which makes me cringe as the

698
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.039
wrestling fan. But let's just be
honest. Him getting in this match with

699
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.320
Logan Paul's gonna put some nice eyes
onto it. Logan Paul takes it seriously,

700
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.360
and yeah, I'm gonna take Logan
Paul getting victory. He's taken a

701
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.599
lot of l's in his w career
and he needs to beat someone other than

702
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:54.280
the Miz. Next match is a
triple threat match for the w W Women's

703
00:48:54.360 --> 00:49:00.280
Championship as Oscar Defense against Charlotte Flair
and Bianco Belair. This is a uh,

704
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.519
this is a hard one to call
as well, but I'm gonna take

705
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.159
Oscar to retain because i feel like
Charlotte and Bianca have gotten a lot of

706
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.400
love during this feud built, so
I'm gonna take Oscar. Yeah, Oscar.

707
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.679
It kind of feels a little bit
like when seeing it wrestle Miss at

708
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:21.039
WrestleMania, but the highlight was the
stuff with the rock and seeing it and

709
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.079
Miss felt forgotten. I kind of
feel that way with this where the focus

710
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.480
is on Bianca and Charlotte, but
the champ is Oscar. So I'm gonna

711
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.519
take Oscar to retain as well,
because I kind of feel like kind of

712
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.840
what we saw in the X Teacher
with Diret match, like basically Charlotte and

713
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.920
Bianca take each other out, Oscar
steals the win because I'm looking more forward

714
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:43.159
to Oscar and EO if that's the
route they end up going as well.

715
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.599
All right, next match, here's
Cody Roads taken on brock Lesner, Doctor

716
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.239
Trey. Who do you like in
this one? And we're not getting the

717
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.079
bull rope match like we had to
hope for No That pisses me off.

718
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.519
I was thinking about that today.
Yeah, I was hoping for a little

719
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.000
bit bit out of stipulation in there, but that being the rubber match,

720
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.519
Rockby in part time Cody getting the
build up for whatever they do with Cody.

721
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.320
Next, I'm gonna take Cody somehow
sneaking out the wind. Yeah,

722
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.199
I'm gonna take Cody as well.
I think if you're building them up to

723
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:12.559
be the face of the company,
needs to get a victory over Brock here

724
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.880
in the rubber match. So I'm
taking Cody Rhodes over Brock Lesner. Next

725
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.880
match here is Seth Freak and Ronalds
defending the World Heavyweight Championship against Finn Balor.

726
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.199
Another one that is very hard to
call. But I said on last

727
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.519
week Sean, I'm gonna stick with
my guns here. I'm gonna take Finn

728
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.199
Balor to win and become the new
world heavyweight Champion. Yeah. I've gone

729
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.079
back and forth on this as well, and a lot of it was the

730
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.519
information you put out last week about
you know, Seth needs some time off,

731
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.960
Seth needs to get healed. You
know, we have Becky and Tritious

732
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.079
match coming up. I can see
them both taking a little bit of time

733
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:50.239
off, so I'm gonna take Finn
as well, And a lot of it

734
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.119
is because of the storyline you suggested, where Finn has the belt, Damian

735
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:58.199
has the briefcase, and you can
tease that tension all the time for the

736
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.400
foreseeable for the short term. I
don't think Finn will have the belt for

737
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:05.920
long, but I do think that
that teasing of attention would be really good

738
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.880
at or good at a TV.
All right, then let's take it to

739
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:14.840
the main event here. Roman Reigns
defends the undisputed Universal Championship and recognition as

740
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:19.639
the Tribal Chief against Jay Usso in
a tribal combat match, Doctor Trey,

741
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.679
Who do you like in this one? So tribal combat? Is I'd like

742
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.199
putin Jabi prison something like that,
yeah? Or is it just like a

743
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.519
street fight from like our like coconuts
involved. I don't know what the rules

744
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:36.679
again on this match are, so
I'm interested as much as I want to

745
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:44.320
pick Jay because I think Jay is
maybe the best overall talent in wrestling right

746
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.000
now. Between Promo's facials, in
ring works, the whole nine yards,

747
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.840
I can't pull the trigger on it. I gotta take Roman to retain.

748
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.719
So I'm taking Roman to retain the
title at SummerSlam. I am taking Roman

749
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.880
Reigns as well. I think this
is the guy that's told them the championship

750
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.719
until WrestleMania forty and we'll be coming
up on three years of him as a

751
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.480
universal champion. So both Doctor Trey
and I take in Roman Reigns to win

752
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:14.840
against Jay Usso at SummerSlam. And
that is our preview and predictions for this

753
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.599
Saturday's WWE Summer Stam. I'm really
looking forward to the show at Ford Field

754
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.400
in Detroit. Of course, we
will recap and review the show on next

755
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:29.039
week's edition of SRTU. That will
be episode number seven h four on August

756
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.039
the tenth, so we'll be recap
reviewing everything that has been going on at

757
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:36.719
SummerSlam. Then with that said,
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758
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766
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769
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776
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in and all out in a whole
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777
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In winding Down, Doctor Trenner,
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778
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